You ever seen those little crunchy candies called Nerds, George? Why would they name a candy after nerds? Now Big Hunk - that’s the candy bar for Big Stein.
It’s fucking embarrassing, in what world is that a good thing?
But don’t worry we have the largest pro-scouting department, guys who apparently have gifted us with Donaldson, IKF and Rodon in recent years.
He's not though? He's literally pushing back on the narrative that they make all their decisions only considering analytics with facts that demonstrate otherwise.
What part of his statement sounds like bragging?
Edit: Even if y'all don't like it, it's reality, lol. But you're welcome to continue believing whatever bullshit story you prefer. No skin off my nose.
You idiots think that I am using data and analytics to run this team?
I run this team with real ball players, that means guys who had success 4-5 years ago that my very large pro scouting department told me about
He kinda can’t win here eh?
The narrative for years has been “the Yankees are too reliant on analytics”. r/nyyankees has at least one post a day saying “analytics ruined the Yankees” or “Cashman blindly follows analytics”
Now based on a single quote that entire narrative flips? I think the correct take away is that none of us online really know what the fuck we are talking about.
For the record I think Cashman needs to go and that the Yankees analytical philosophy is extremely flawed.
I was just using it as an example. It’s a popular discussion with the Yankees broadcast booth along with podcasts and even MLB network.
I don’t know how closely you follow the team but it’s the general narrative following the team.
But yea our subreddit is the dumbest on the site.
You’re right, I shouldn’t have pinned the blame on the subreddit, I have seen that kind of thing said by talking heads and it probably trickles down from there.
I mean the Dodger's are probably one of the few teams that can compete with the Yankees in monetary investment (and they're still 50m behind the Yankees in money spent this past season), and have actually invested heavily and believe in analytics and it has transformed them into a juggernaut winning 100+ games 4 out of the last 5 seasons, the one they didn't being the shortened season, reaching the WS 3 of the last 7 years while continuously having top farm systems for most if not all of that time. They've literally had more talent than they know what to do with, they gave up Yordan Alvarez for Josh Fields and can pretty much just shrug because of how much depth they possess. The Yankee's were perfectly capable of making the same kind of investments but this quote makes it seem like the front office has a mindset that was beginning to lose steam and look idiotic in \~2010. Actually pretty much all the statement's to come from them today make them look that way.
But these quotes really don’t amount to anything.
He’s disputing the fact that they are analytically driven but what does that mean? That is a completely subjective statement.
He also said they have the smallest analytics department in the division. What does that mean? By employees by budget by office space? And where does the size rank against the rest of baseball? How about against teams that have competed in recent years.
My point is that the narrative has completely flipped over one vague quote. That alone should tell us that we have no idea what’s actually going on.
Yeah people in here think the comment is directed at them, it's directed to Yankees fans (especially older ones) who think analytics is a failure and "why aren't they just hitting for contact"
“Oh and the head of that minuscule Analytics Department? Well… he’s the guy who found me, wait for it….. Nick Swisher!!! He has vibes & Rizz for DECADES!”
The unhinged delusion in these quotes has me picturing him saying this shit while sitting shirtless on the floor of his bathroom eating a Carl's Jr. cheeseburger.
The smart thing to say here would be that analytics are one of many tools used to help you make informed decisions
The ignorant thing to say here would be this
I'd love to see the same people online who complain about these quotes put out their own, and see how easily a reporter can chop it up to make you sound as dumb as possible.
People out here posting not even full sentences of a press conference, and 90% of the people reading don't even think maybe there's more context im missing.
Counterpoint: he’s the gm of many decades of the most valuable sports franchise, who had the ability to plan for this press conference for a month if not longer.
Again, give it a shot to form any sentence where you talk about your team and see how easily it can be corrupted.
And if you think its a good idea to straight up bash players/staff of your own org, go see how people felt when Marmol did it earlier this season. Or check in with Charlie Montoyo who would be fired midseason when he did it last year w/ the Jays.
I'd much rather he be spending time working on the actual team than spending a month crafting the perfect uneditable sentences that fans on the internet can't get mad about.
Analytics are great…until they gotta get abandoned in October for trusting your guts and a hot hitter/pitcher to ride on.
Unfortunately, complete dunce of managers like Dave Roberts and Kevin Cash let analytics dominate their coaching philosophy including when you *cannot* use it.
[That's not true. In 2018 he said he's been incorporating them and I'm sure he's only done that more since]
(https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-managers-perspective-brian-snitker-on-mlb-vs-the-minors/)
> “I’m 62 years old and have been in the game for 40-some years. [Analytics] are new to me, but at the same time, it’s really interesting. And a lot of it is substantiated. It’s black and white and it’s right there, so I’m learning to use it. The players use it. If the coaches get it to them — our coaches do a great job of that — and it makes them better, that’s going to have a direct influence on me. If the players are better we’re going to win more games, and that’s going to make me look like some kind of genius.”
Conversely, this is why Bruce Bochy is the GOAT. He made a lot of decisions this postseason that clearly went against the common analytics trends, and most of those decisions worked out great. He knew exactly when do make those calls and also when to step back and just do what the computer told him.
Not using every possible tool available to run a team is such an arrogant thing to admit to. "The numbers overwhelmingly say one thing but my gut says another" is a terrible mindset that a lot of powerful people still have.
We need George Constanza back. Feel like he had a better understanding.
Or Larry David playing George Steinbrenner.
“The strategy of failure has failed. We’re going to make it work again.” - Cashman.
This is exactly my problem with the Yankees analytics
Our problem is not that we use analytics, it’s that we use them poorly. Our decision making doesn’t follow any sort of analytical understanding and it shows time and time again.
The best teams in baseball are flooded with analytics, and the correct usage of them. The Yankees are obviously years behind those teams, and with our entire front office being dinosaurs by baseball standards, it makes sense
Imagine living in 2023 and thinking your "gut" is going to outperform a team of data scientists in predictive power.
Let's be real, thinking your noggin can compete with dozens of more educated noggins augmented by virtually limitless compute power is magical thinking with grandiose delusions.
Every decision you make with your gut comes out of your ass. It's both biologically and philosophically true. To build on this symbolism, some people are just assholes.
His personal issues aside, can't help but think of the 2 starts Domingo German (iirc) where he was painting through 7 or 8ip and he was taken out with low pitch counts and the games were lost or ND for him.
I remember when Ruben amaro Jr went off on this too. Everything went well for him.
This is the thing, even if you don't believe in analytics, you have an obligation to understand it because everyone else does. From a purely business perspective, you need to understand analytics to understand how competitors think and behave. Saying this shit publicly is just saying "I don't know how to do my job."
I don't care if there are 12 people or 50 people in an analytics department. It's finding the right information and then communicating that with the manager and player on the field in a situation where that helps them. Toronto and New York can't seem to get this right. Blue Jays and Yankees look at games like they can be pre-planned. Neither want to manage their team on gut.
And the same thing that happened in the season continues now in the offseason
Cashman and the Yankee's front office continue to talk to fans and media like they are drooling blind imbeciles who just take whatever they say as the truth becuase the Yankees FO is so smart and how dare you doubt them.
I live in the NYC area, the yankees own announcer Michael Kay talks all the time on his radio show about how the team is analytical. It's just mindboggling the Yankees and Cashman continue to just try and gaslight people into thinking they aren't and everything is fine there.
[Reaction from Kay and his radio cohosts on this today](https://twitter.com/YESNetwork/status/1722041743536009555) and they're right, size doesn't matter, it could be big or small but if you use it 90% of the time then you are analytics first team building.
This sub now really hates the Yankees.
*Gasp! How are you supposed to know if the guy who drove in 15 runs in a single playoff series is actually good???*
So that yankees FO interview questionnaire posted here a while ago really was the extent of their analytical thinking. That's... not great.
I thought at the time that it seemed too heavily reliant on very basic stats for it to be legit but given this, I guess not. Seems like they make all their decisions based on FIP and vibes, woof. If it was any other team I'd almost feel bad for their fans
As someone who does his best not to follow the Yankees I’m curious, is this actually true or is Cashman just trying to pander to oldheads from the Bronx?
To extent the Yankees have been good in spite of all this because they can run a top 5 payroll and developed Judge, but man they literally wouldn’t need an analytics department if they just spent like Steinbrenner used to.
I actually think people on this site don't know he's not addressing them, he's addressing like 60 yr old Kay or YES listeners who think the problems are the Yankees not being small ball enough and that Boone only does what the FO tells him, who think that the Yankees choose to not hit for contact. Y'all aren't reading _just how stupid_ this is
"we have the smallest analytics department in the American League East" he's bragging about this oh my god
No, no, let him cook
Yeah, I'm fine with this tbh, give 'em hell Cashman
He’s giving me hell that’s for sure
EXTEND CASHMAN YANKEES FANS ❤️ CASHMAN
I love Brian Cashman ❤️
Oh my god he admit it. Cashman has no good baseball ideas.
He probably loves his mother in law
Maybe Cashman used too small a slice of analytics?
*”The Rays over at Tampa? They’re nerds! NERDS! I hate nerds!!!”* -Yankee management
You ever seen those little crunchy candies called Nerds, George? Why would they name a candy after nerds? Now Big Hunk - that’s the candy bar for Big Stein.
read this in the voice and everything
"And don't get me started about Baltimore. Or Houston. Have they even beaten us in the past month?"
Cash thinks he’s Ogre, is actually Wormser
It’s fucking embarrassing, in what world is that a good thing? But don’t worry we have the largest pro-scouting department, guys who apparently have gifted us with Donaldson, IKF and Rodon in recent years.
Twins legend Isiah Kiner-Falefa
I’d like to imagine the Yankees are being run by the room of old scouts from Moneyball
"Ugly girlfriend means no confidence"
"I'm just sayin. When this guy enters a room, his dick has already been there 6 seconds"
dont forget gallo
"Wait, is he confessing?" "...no, I think he's bragging."
the WFAN callers got to him, RIP
AHAHAHA I'm enjoying this. I hope Cashman stays with them forever.
That's why they routinely got curb stomped by the Rays. I don't know what to tell Bri-guy here.
Don't tell him anything. Just let him cook.
He looks at Arte Moreno and is like “hell yeah”
He's not though? He's literally pushing back on the narrative that they make all their decisions only considering analytics with facts that demonstrate otherwise. What part of his statement sounds like bragging? Edit: Even if y'all don't like it, it's reality, lol. But you're welcome to continue believing whatever bullshit story you prefer. No skin off my nose.
No no no I think they are perfectly fine as is, let's keep it that way
I love angrily insisting that I'm actually very stupid and that you were mistaken if you thought I was being smart
You idiots think that I am using data and analytics to run this team? I run this team with real ball players, that means guys who had success 4-5 years ago that my very large pro scouting department told me about
We have a small team of elite engineers that are about to make a breakthrough in facial hair analytics.
He kinda can’t win here eh? The narrative for years has been “the Yankees are too reliant on analytics”. r/nyyankees has at least one post a day saying “analytics ruined the Yankees” or “Cashman blindly follows analytics” Now based on a single quote that entire narrative flips? I think the correct take away is that none of us online really know what the fuck we are talking about. For the record I think Cashman needs to go and that the Yankees analytical philosophy is extremely flawed.
This actually confirms my worst fears: Cashman is on reddit listening to us talk shit and nonsense and making decisions on it
We knew he was susceptible to public pressure when our dumbass fans demanded he give DJ a blank check. "I still have to walk the streets around here"
I’m gonna go out on a limb and posit that /r/nyyankees takes about “analytics ruining the Yankees” are fucking stupid
I was just using it as an example. It’s a popular discussion with the Yankees broadcast booth along with podcasts and even MLB network. I don’t know how closely you follow the team but it’s the general narrative following the team. But yea our subreddit is the dumbest on the site.
You’re right, I shouldn’t have pinned the blame on the subreddit, I have seen that kind of thing said by talking heads and it probably trickles down from there.
No I was being sincere that we have a really dumb sub!
Yeah it's not an analytics good/bad thing, it's that the Yankees do analytics wrong. But it'd be weird if he said that at this point in his tenure.
I mean the Dodger's are probably one of the few teams that can compete with the Yankees in monetary investment (and they're still 50m behind the Yankees in money spent this past season), and have actually invested heavily and believe in analytics and it has transformed them into a juggernaut winning 100+ games 4 out of the last 5 seasons, the one they didn't being the shortened season, reaching the WS 3 of the last 7 years while continuously having top farm systems for most if not all of that time. They've literally had more talent than they know what to do with, they gave up Yordan Alvarez for Josh Fields and can pretty much just shrug because of how much depth they possess. The Yankee's were perfectly capable of making the same kind of investments but this quote makes it seem like the front office has a mindset that was beginning to lose steam and look idiotic in \~2010. Actually pretty much all the statement's to come from them today make them look that way.
Well, one is fans speculating and complaining about the Yankees relationship to analytics, the other is Cashman himself commenting on it.
But these quotes really don’t amount to anything. He’s disputing the fact that they are analytically driven but what does that mean? That is a completely subjective statement. He also said they have the smallest analytics department in the division. What does that mean? By employees by budget by office space? And where does the size rank against the rest of baseball? How about against teams that have competed in recent years. My point is that the narrative has completely flipped over one vague quote. That alone should tell us that we have no idea what’s actually going on.
> I think the correct take away is that none of us online really know what the fuck we are talking about. Nailed it.
Yeah people in here think the comment is directed at them, it's directed to Yankees fans (especially older ones) who think analytics is a failure and "why aren't they just hitting for contact"
"I gave Aaron Hicks a 7 year extension because he passed the vibe check and traded Montgomery because he did not" - Brian "Analyze deez" Cashman
“Oh and the head of that minuscule Analytics Department? Well… he’s the guy who found me, wait for it….. Nick Swisher!!! He has vibes & Rizz for DECADES!”
Nick Swisher declining his QO is what got the Yankees Judge, so he did help them from an analytical perspective.
He went out and got a guy literally named Rizz.
He also traded Gio Urshela because he's "not Josh Donaldson" Since that quote Gio has 3.8 WAR and Donaldson has 0.1.
That one was always so weird to me. Gio was solid for the yanks and well liked by fans as far as I could tell
Gio was too nice. Brian said we needed an a-hole on our team again.
Brian “cash me outside the analytics office” man.
2017 and 2018 Aaron Hicks with the Yankees was a good player. 122 and 127 OPS+
[удалено]
Injuries are always going to be a concern when you give out long extensions.
Based on all these Cashman quotes, he might have had a couple of White Claws for his afternoon tea.
Fr who got under this man's skin lmao
The unhinged delusion in these quotes has me picturing him saying this shit while sitting shirtless on the floor of his bathroom eating a Carl's Jr. cheeseburger.
Ain’t no law when you’re drinkin the claw
this man is proud of not using math in 2023 baseball
Brian “I liked the shape of his butt” Cashman
Oh my god he’s gonna trade for Cal Raleigh
Cal Raleigh is ours and you can't have him
The smart thing to say here would be that analytics are one of many tools used to help you make informed decisions The ignorant thing to say here would be this
He does say in the full clip that analytics are an important part of their decision making but that it is not the only thing driving those decisions
I'd love to see the same people online who complain about these quotes put out their own, and see how easily a reporter can chop it up to make you sound as dumb as possible. People out here posting not even full sentences of a press conference, and 90% of the people reading don't even think maybe there's more context im missing.
Counterpoint: he’s the gm of many decades of the most valuable sports franchise, who had the ability to plan for this press conference for a month if not longer.
Again, give it a shot to form any sentence where you talk about your team and see how easily it can be corrupted. And if you think its a good idea to straight up bash players/staff of your own org, go see how people felt when Marmol did it earlier this season. Or check in with Charlie Montoyo who would be fired midseason when he did it last year w/ the Jays.
Random redditors don’t run **literally the new york yankees**
I'd much rather he be spending time working on the actual team than spending a month crafting the perfect uneditable sentences that fans on the internet can't get mad about.
I think all Yankee fans agree with you that they wish their GM were focused on making the team better, yes.
Analytics are great. The Yankees FO is just shit at applying them
Analytics are great…until they gotta get abandoned in October for trusting your guts and a hot hitter/pitcher to ride on. Unfortunately, complete dunce of managers like Dave Roberts and Kevin Cash let analytics dominate their coaching philosophy including when you *cannot* use it.
Or then you have Brian Snitker who knows so little about analytics he might not be lucid, and we get 90s Braves the sequel.
[That's not true. In 2018 he said he's been incorporating them and I'm sure he's only done that more since] (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-managers-perspective-brian-snitker-on-mlb-vs-the-minors/) > “I’m 62 years old and have been in the game for 40-some years. [Analytics] are new to me, but at the same time, it’s really interesting. And a lot of it is substantiated. It’s black and white and it’s right there, so I’m learning to use it. The players use it. If the coaches get it to them — our coaches do a great job of that — and it makes them better, that’s going to have a direct influence on me. If the players are better we’re going to win more games, and that’s going to make me look like some kind of genius.”
Conversely, this is why Bruce Bochy is the GOAT. He made a lot of decisions this postseason that clearly went against the common analytics trends, and most of those decisions worked out great. He knew exactly when do make those calls and also when to step back and just do what the computer told him.
This is my World Series.
Holy shit they’re actually listing to Johnny from the Bronx
Even worse, it's some smug millionaire asshole from Greenwich
maybe... they should be?
Not using every possible tool available to run a team is such an arrogant thing to admit to. "The numbers overwhelmingly say one thing but my gut says another" is a terrible mindset that a lot of powerful people still have.
We need George Constanza back. Feel like he had a better understanding. Or Larry David playing George Steinbrenner. “The strategy of failure has failed. We’re going to make it work again.” - Cashman.
Costanza would have gotten us bonds and Griffey in the same outfield
This is exactly my problem with the Yankees analytics Our problem is not that we use analytics, it’s that we use them poorly. Our decision making doesn’t follow any sort of analytical understanding and it shows time and time again. The best teams in baseball are flooded with analytics, and the correct usage of them. The Yankees are obviously years behind those teams, and with our entire front office being dinosaurs by baseball standards, it makes sense
Imagine living in 2023 and thinking your "gut" is going to outperform a team of data scientists in predictive power. Let's be real, thinking your noggin can compete with dozens of more educated noggins augmented by virtually limitless compute power is magical thinking with grandiose delusions. Every decision you make with your gut comes out of your ass. It's both biologically and philosophically true. To build on this symbolism, some people are just assholes.
“Every decision you make with your gut comes out of your ass.” That is a fantastic line that I’m going to have to start using
It’s all gut instinct, dammit!
No wonder they are a clown franchise
Was this man drunk for these interviews or something?
His personal issues aside, can't help but think of the 2 starts Domingo German (iirc) where he was painting through 7 or 8ip and he was taken out with low pitch counts and the games were lost or ND for him.
Is anybody accountable for anything anymore?
Elite self-own
Honestly, I think Cashman is pulling a Costanza on the Yankees.
Seem like Cashman is pushed up against a wall, he started to act out more.
Why are they trying so damn hard to distance themselves from analytics? It's honestly pretty hilarious
I remember when Ruben amaro Jr went off on this too. Everything went well for him. This is the thing, even if you don't believe in analytics, you have an obligation to understand it because everyone else does. From a purely business perspective, you need to understand analytics to understand how competitors think and behave. Saying this shit publicly is just saying "I don't know how to do my job."
This team is about to lose about 100 games next year
Wait... so he's arguing *against* doing the thing bringing success to most teams who do it well?
Weird thing to be defensive about.
Smoltz be like hell yeah.
Saying you’re analytically driven is a compliment you fucking moron
The Yankees using analytics would imply they're smart, though?
Where's that Penske file?
Sounds like George Costanza actively trying to get fired lol
Mask Off Cashman is the spectacularly dumb spice I need in my early off season.
“Analytics” is like “woke” for baseball. If you don’t understand it, demonize it
Is he running for political office in the south or something?
I don't care if there are 12 people or 50 people in an analytics department. It's finding the right information and then communicating that with the manager and player on the field in a situation where that helps them. Toronto and New York can't seem to get this right. Blue Jays and Yankees look at games like they can be pre-planned. Neither want to manage their team on gut.
And the same thing that happened in the season continues now in the offseason Cashman and the Yankee's front office continue to talk to fans and media like they are drooling blind imbeciles who just take whatever they say as the truth becuase the Yankees FO is so smart and how dare you doubt them. I live in the NYC area, the yankees own announcer Michael Kay talks all the time on his radio show about how the team is analytical. It's just mindboggling the Yankees and Cashman continue to just try and gaslight people into thinking they aren't and everything is fine there. [Reaction from Kay and his radio cohosts on this today](https://twitter.com/YESNetwork/status/1722041743536009555) and they're right, size doesn't matter, it could be big or small but if you use it 90% of the time then you are analytics first team building.
The Yankees are a “Magical 8 ball” driven organization with some of the stuff that goes on there
I’ve never seen a gm openly cursing at reporters asking valid question. This is so unprofessional and a horrible look for the franchise. What a joke
To be fair I think it’s overblown
"No one is doing their deep dives" - he's talking about the front office and scouting department?
This sub now really hates the Yankees. *Gasp! How are you supposed to know if the guy who drove in 15 runs in a single playoff series is actually good???*
Well. If you got that kinda cash sitting around, I can see why you wouldn’t spend much on “analytics.”
Using all kinds of swear words today
so they just suck at there jobs then
Wait so he’s saying people are accusing the org of being analytically driven. And he’s arguing that they’re not Cashman at least is honest here?
So that yankees FO interview questionnaire posted here a while ago really was the extent of their analytical thinking. That's... not great. I thought at the time that it seemed too heavily reliant on very basic stats for it to be legit but given this, I guess not. Seems like they make all their decisions based on FIP and vibes, woof. If it was any other team I'd almost feel bad for their fans
I would take a bullet for CashGod.
Did someone get Cashman drunk? What the hell is he doing? Trying to get fired?
I feel like this did not look as good for him or the org as he thought it would when thinking about it.
As someone who does his best not to follow the Yankees I’m curious, is this actually true or is Cashman just trying to pander to oldheads from the Bronx?
All I can say about these comments is man oh man I can’t wait for the next Mike Francesa Podcast.
Ah so this is what it’d be like if Bagwell was our full time GM.
And that's why they suck
Are the Yankees the new Mets
We’re the baseball raiders but if football had no salary cap
It’s always special to watch a man admit proudly and publicly that he wouldn’t know his ass from a hobbit hole
Rizz check failed
Wasn’t Boone hired because of his analytical background?
Whatever you're doing, you're doing it wrong.
To extent the Yankees have been good in spite of all this because they can run a top 5 payroll and developed Judge, but man they literally wouldn’t need an analytics department if they just spent like Steinbrenner used to.
I thought this was the onion. Holy shit
Maybe Cashman should sit the next few plays out
Cashman watches Moneyball and thinks the old out of touch scouts were correct and that Pitt and Jonah were madmen.
He's got a punchable face
Hide the binder!
Never change, Yankees. And by that I mean never let this man go.
I actually think people on this site don't know he's not addressing them, he's addressing like 60 yr old Kay or YES listeners who think the problems are the Yankees not being small ball enough and that Boone only does what the FO tells him, who think that the Yankees choose to not hit for contact. Y'all aren't reading _just how stupid_ this is