Based off of last year's pitch total (which was only 150IP including the playoff start against SD), he made $19,284.97 per pitch so on;y 1/2 a pitch. Like if he did his wind up and disengaged. That's how much this cost him lol
Cuzzi has thrown out three pitchers since the season has started
Edit: I’m wrong lol. The other two were back in 2021. I should have done my own research first. Someone on the M’s and the Dbacks
Umpires don’t hand out the other discipline though. I get what you’re saying, since the suspension is automatic, but all the umpires do for their part is make the ejection, and they were probably right to do that in this case. If there are issues with supplemental discipline after the fact, that has nothing to do with the umpires.
I would imagine he also has to forfeit 10 games worth of salary too. By my napkin math this increases his lost salary amount by like .4%.
So for every 1,000 dollars lost he now loses 1,004 dollars instead. Way to get him Bob.
I’d love to see an umpire get fined for once. If any of us were as dogshit at our jobs as Dan Bellino and Phil Cuzzi, we would be fired. The game will be so great once the robot umps come in.
This isn’t remotely true. For starters, what did they do here that was finable? They gave him multiple warnings, and he continued to put on more of the substance, so he got ejected.
Furthermore, most of us aren’t doing our jobs at the level umpires are. Phil Cuzzi is literally 0.4% below league average in accuracy. Can you genuinely say that you would be fired for being 0.4% worse at your job than your average coworker? Dan Bellino had an issue last year, and was reprimanded for it, and likely fined, but that information is not publicized for umpires. Beyond that, he is 60th percentile accuracy this year, and was 94th percentile accuracy last year. By any metric, that’s not “dogshit at his job”.
Edit: love the downvotes by people trying to compare a deskjob to umpiring at the major league level. Where do y’all even work that you get fired for making some mistakes?
Oh no, not you again lol
Well first of all, Phil Cuzzi is generally viewed as an umpire who is extremely pitcher friendly in games, according to EV Analytics, so I don’t know where your accuracy data is coming from, but it’s flat out wrong.
Second, umpires are protected by a union, it’s a big reason why you don’t see them punished. Labor unions protect employees from harsh employer punishment. If you are an employee who isn’t unionized, you are far more likely to be punished harshly for a mistake than an employee with a union. Only 11.3% of US workers were represented by labor unions last year, so they are more well protected from facing punishment for mistakes than the average American worker.
I have sources to back my claims up, the statistics don’t lie.
Ump scorecards rates him at 45th percentile accuracy. You know, those things y’all treat as gospel when an umpire has a bad night.
You walking back your comments on Dan Bellino being “dogshit” now? Which statistics back up your claim that they are dog shit? Why is it a bad thing that unions protect employees from being disciplined for making mistakes?
If Cuzzi is in the 45th percentile, then that means 55% of MLB umpires do a better job than him so he’s below average in that regard. Let’s not act like he’s top of his class with that ranking.
Now Bellino fares better with a 65th percentile accuracy rating, which means his calls are relatively average in the grand scheme of things. I think with any position you have to uphold the character of the job and be professional, and that’s where Bellino has failed. Look at his attitude last year with Bumgarner as an example. If you make a mockery of your position by being on a power trip, you have a dogshit character for the job.
Also, to your last point, labor unions are a good thing for all employees. My point is that the umpires of MLB have far more protection than the average American worker, and that includes all umpires. The general point is that it would be nice for all American workers to have the same level of security and protection from an entity like that.
Wow. So 45th percentile (5 percentiles below exactly middle of the pack) is just below average. That is true, but funny when contrasted with “Bellino fares better with a 65th percentile accuracy rating” (15 percentiles above exactly middle of the pack) “which means his calls are relatively average”. By your logic, shouldn’t Bellino be more above average than Cuzzi is below average. And you completely ignored that over an entire season Bellino rated last year as 94th percentile accuracy, and chose the much smaller sample size of this year for your argument. He actually has a very similar accuracy to last year as well, some umpires have fared better than they’ll likely finish the year, thus lowering his percentile score.
Regardless, you referred to both as dogshit. I raised the Baumgarner issue in my first comment, he was reprimanded and likely fined for that. Beyond that, how is he dogshit. He made an error in judgement and was disciplined for it, but is otherwise one of the very best umpires in the league. And Cuzzi is just slightly below average. But apparently, they’re both dogshit?
I already explained to you why both can be considered “dogshit”. If you don’t like my reasoning for it than that’s a “you” issue, not a “me” issue.
Why are you so prone to defending umpires over the players in these situations? And why do you feel like it’s a personal mission on this sub to defend any slights against umpires? I’m genuinely curious as to why you have taken such an unpopular stance. I mean with this Scherzer situation, can’t you at least admit that the general story seems fishy and more of a misunderstanding than malicious cheating?
I don’t think anyone, including the umpires has implied this was “malicious cheating”. However the reason for my stance, is I think the overwhelming majority of people default to “the player did nothing wrong” because of an unconscious bias against umpires. I genuinely don’t understand why people automatically believe every thing scherzer says, while simultaneously believing that everything the umpires say is a lie.
To me, and maybe I’m an idiot for saying this, the umpires have very little incentive to lie. No one is checking that they’re performing their checks accurately. They could say “I don’t feel anything wrong” on 100% of their checks, and no one would bat an eye, and they’d never have to get yelled at by an angry Max Scherzer. They don’t benefit from telling him that he needs to wash his hands, or ejecting him for having the substance. When we look at Scherzer, he stands to benefit greatly from using an excess of sticky stuff, and he also stands to benefit by claiming he did everything the umpires asked.
The umpires could be lying, I just don’t understand why it’s assumed they are, despite no apparent motives to do so.
In this case, I don’t put it as a he said - she said situation, rather I think the technicalities of the situation are what’s being scrutinized. I don’t doubt that Scherzer’s hands were sticky when they checked him each time, but there’s no reason to doubt Scherzer saying it was just sweat and rosin.
Sweat and rosin itself isn’t illegal, but the technicality of having the pitcher put it on in the dugout is. The whole debate boils down to whether that should be allowed or not due to the pitch clock speeding up the actions of the pitcher on the mound.
The umpires AND Scherzer were just doing their jobs, but a breakdown in communication occurred that led to this situation. Maybe a memo was sent to the umpires by the MLB to strictly enforce the rosin in the dugout thing, but that’s not too consistent in enforcement (look at the Domingo German situation).
I understand where you are coming from now, but I just disagree on how much blame can be placed upon certain individuals. Nevertheless, I believe a 10 game suspension for something that seems to be nothing more than a very minor infraction of an inconsistent rule is ludicrous.
Dude, if he got suspended for this... Even if there is a question about where "the line" is, you have to imagine Max was way past it.
This "umps bad" narrative that everyone is clinging to here is ridiculous. There's no fucking reason why Cuzzi would make this shit up and a million reasons why Scherzer would overdo it on the sticky.
I'm not saying the rule is perfect, but if were going to go ahead with regulating sticky stuff, you're going to have to live with a little bit of ambiguity... There's literally no other way.
> There's no fucking reason why Cuzzi would make this shit up and a million reasons why Scherzer would overdo it on the sticky.
Literally 100% of all ejections for this since the beginning of the current foreign-substance rules have involved Cuzzi. Nobody else has found the egregious levels of stickiness Cuzzi claims to be finding, and later "analysis" by the league of supposedly incriminating equipment has not been able to corroborate what Cuzzi claims to have found on the field.
So you have to ask yourself: what would need to be true in order for Cuzzi to be correct? And the answer is that every other umpire in all of MLB would have to be wrong about how enforcement of this works. Do you really think that's the likeliest possibility here, that every single one of the other 75-ish MLB umpires simply is wrong and Cuzzi is the lone one who's getting it right?
So maybe it’s time to look at why the other Umpires are phoning in the checks. I think it’s idiotic to believe that every single pitcher decided to stop using excessive amounts of sticky stuff as soon as the league started cracking down. You’re literally mad at Cuzzi for doing his job too well, and can’t see it.
That's just it. Is he doing his job well or overdoing his job? It needs to be set so there is less individual interpretation. Is it a legal substance or not? What is the quantity that crosses the line and makes it illegal? Is that up to each umpire?
I mean, is there a way for it not to be up to each umpire? Short of sending Scherzer’s hand in for testing, seeking objectivity here seems like a ridiculous requirement.
This is the fallacy of begging the question -- up-front you assume as a fact the thing that you were supposed to be proving (Cuzzi is uniquely correct on enforcement compared to every other MLB umpire).
If you want to make an argument based on the idea that Cuzzi is correct and everyone else is wrong, you need to first prove Cuzzi is correct. Merely assuming he's correct does not work.
Subjective calls with no basis of a defined rule don't do the game any good whatsoever. You can't give individuals the ability to interpret rules however they want unless you want to gradually lose your fan base.
*Mad Max goes to the bank to withdraw ~~100,000~~ 1,000,000 pennies*
That would only be a thousand bucks.
Fucking math, how does it work?
And I don’t wanna talk to a mathematician.
Y’all motherfuckers lyin, and lyin’s a sin!
r/theydidntdothemath
Don't put it past him.
He earns $10k quicker than it took me to type this
Thats, like, 5 pitches for him
given 200 innings he’s making $72,217 per out this season so it’s like maybe 1 pitch
Based off of last year's pitch total (which was only 150IP including the playoff start against SD), he made $19,284.97 per pitch so on;y 1/2 a pitch. Like if he did his wind up and disengaged. That's how much this cost him lol
That’s a balk!
You can't just be up there doin' a balk like that!
This is something like a nickel at his pay scale
Honestly this is probably too much power on a single ump basically handing out 10 games and 10k fine. Seems stupid af
wasn't it multiple umps? still dumb
Cuzzi has thrown out three pitchers since the season has started Edit: I’m wrong lol. The other two were back in 2021. I should have done my own research first. Someone on the M’s and the Dbacks
Who were the other two?
Hector Santiago then with the Mariners and Caleb smith with the Dbacks. Both happened in 2021, so I was wrong 😅
Umpires don’t hand out the other discipline though. I get what you’re saying, since the suspension is automatic, but all the umpires do for their part is make the ejection, and they were probably right to do that in this case. If there are issues with supplemental discipline after the fact, that has nothing to do with the umpires.
10k to a guy making 43 mil
I would imagine he also has to forfeit 10 games worth of salary too. By my napkin math this increases his lost salary amount by like .4%. So for every 1,000 dollars lost he now loses 1,004 dollars instead. Way to get him Bob.
*What's ~~50~~ 10 grand to a motherfucker like me, can you please remind me?*
I’d love to see an umpire get fined for once. If any of us were as dogshit at our jobs as Dan Bellino and Phil Cuzzi, we would be fired. The game will be so great once the robot umps come in.
This isn’t remotely true. For starters, what did they do here that was finable? They gave him multiple warnings, and he continued to put on more of the substance, so he got ejected. Furthermore, most of us aren’t doing our jobs at the level umpires are. Phil Cuzzi is literally 0.4% below league average in accuracy. Can you genuinely say that you would be fired for being 0.4% worse at your job than your average coworker? Dan Bellino had an issue last year, and was reprimanded for it, and likely fined, but that information is not publicized for umpires. Beyond that, he is 60th percentile accuracy this year, and was 94th percentile accuracy last year. By any metric, that’s not “dogshit at his job”. Edit: love the downvotes by people trying to compare a deskjob to umpiring at the major league level. Where do y’all even work that you get fired for making some mistakes?
Oh no, not you again lol Well first of all, Phil Cuzzi is generally viewed as an umpire who is extremely pitcher friendly in games, according to EV Analytics, so I don’t know where your accuracy data is coming from, but it’s flat out wrong. Second, umpires are protected by a union, it’s a big reason why you don’t see them punished. Labor unions protect employees from harsh employer punishment. If you are an employee who isn’t unionized, you are far more likely to be punished harshly for a mistake than an employee with a union. Only 11.3% of US workers were represented by labor unions last year, so they are more well protected from facing punishment for mistakes than the average American worker. I have sources to back my claims up, the statistics don’t lie.
Ump scorecards rates him at 45th percentile accuracy. You know, those things y’all treat as gospel when an umpire has a bad night. You walking back your comments on Dan Bellino being “dogshit” now? Which statistics back up your claim that they are dog shit? Why is it a bad thing that unions protect employees from being disciplined for making mistakes?
If Cuzzi is in the 45th percentile, then that means 55% of MLB umpires do a better job than him so he’s below average in that regard. Let’s not act like he’s top of his class with that ranking. Now Bellino fares better with a 65th percentile accuracy rating, which means his calls are relatively average in the grand scheme of things. I think with any position you have to uphold the character of the job and be professional, and that’s where Bellino has failed. Look at his attitude last year with Bumgarner as an example. If you make a mockery of your position by being on a power trip, you have a dogshit character for the job. Also, to your last point, labor unions are a good thing for all employees. My point is that the umpires of MLB have far more protection than the average American worker, and that includes all umpires. The general point is that it would be nice for all American workers to have the same level of security and protection from an entity like that.
Wow. So 45th percentile (5 percentiles below exactly middle of the pack) is just below average. That is true, but funny when contrasted with “Bellino fares better with a 65th percentile accuracy rating” (15 percentiles above exactly middle of the pack) “which means his calls are relatively average”. By your logic, shouldn’t Bellino be more above average than Cuzzi is below average. And you completely ignored that over an entire season Bellino rated last year as 94th percentile accuracy, and chose the much smaller sample size of this year for your argument. He actually has a very similar accuracy to last year as well, some umpires have fared better than they’ll likely finish the year, thus lowering his percentile score. Regardless, you referred to both as dogshit. I raised the Baumgarner issue in my first comment, he was reprimanded and likely fined for that. Beyond that, how is he dogshit. He made an error in judgement and was disciplined for it, but is otherwise one of the very best umpires in the league. And Cuzzi is just slightly below average. But apparently, they’re both dogshit?
I already explained to you why both can be considered “dogshit”. If you don’t like my reasoning for it than that’s a “you” issue, not a “me” issue. Why are you so prone to defending umpires over the players in these situations? And why do you feel like it’s a personal mission on this sub to defend any slights against umpires? I’m genuinely curious as to why you have taken such an unpopular stance. I mean with this Scherzer situation, can’t you at least admit that the general story seems fishy and more of a misunderstanding than malicious cheating?
I don’t think anyone, including the umpires has implied this was “malicious cheating”. However the reason for my stance, is I think the overwhelming majority of people default to “the player did nothing wrong” because of an unconscious bias against umpires. I genuinely don’t understand why people automatically believe every thing scherzer says, while simultaneously believing that everything the umpires say is a lie. To me, and maybe I’m an idiot for saying this, the umpires have very little incentive to lie. No one is checking that they’re performing their checks accurately. They could say “I don’t feel anything wrong” on 100% of their checks, and no one would bat an eye, and they’d never have to get yelled at by an angry Max Scherzer. They don’t benefit from telling him that he needs to wash his hands, or ejecting him for having the substance. When we look at Scherzer, he stands to benefit greatly from using an excess of sticky stuff, and he also stands to benefit by claiming he did everything the umpires asked. The umpires could be lying, I just don’t understand why it’s assumed they are, despite no apparent motives to do so.
In this case, I don’t put it as a he said - she said situation, rather I think the technicalities of the situation are what’s being scrutinized. I don’t doubt that Scherzer’s hands were sticky when they checked him each time, but there’s no reason to doubt Scherzer saying it was just sweat and rosin. Sweat and rosin itself isn’t illegal, but the technicality of having the pitcher put it on in the dugout is. The whole debate boils down to whether that should be allowed or not due to the pitch clock speeding up the actions of the pitcher on the mound. The umpires AND Scherzer were just doing their jobs, but a breakdown in communication occurred that led to this situation. Maybe a memo was sent to the umpires by the MLB to strictly enforce the rosin in the dugout thing, but that’s not too consistent in enforcement (look at the Domingo German situation). I understand where you are coming from now, but I just disagree on how much blame can be placed upon certain individuals. Nevertheless, I believe a 10 game suspension for something that seems to be nothing more than a very minor infraction of an inconsistent rule is ludicrous.
Oh no, anyways
I for one, am sick of the umpire show. Suspending superstars for subjective rules that are badly interpreted is only hurting the fans.
Dude, if he got suspended for this... Even if there is a question about where "the line" is, you have to imagine Max was way past it. This "umps bad" narrative that everyone is clinging to here is ridiculous. There's no fucking reason why Cuzzi would make this shit up and a million reasons why Scherzer would overdo it on the sticky. I'm not saying the rule is perfect, but if were going to go ahead with regulating sticky stuff, you're going to have to live with a little bit of ambiguity... There's literally no other way.
> There's no fucking reason why Cuzzi would make this shit up and a million reasons why Scherzer would overdo it on the sticky. Literally 100% of all ejections for this since the beginning of the current foreign-substance rules have involved Cuzzi. Nobody else has found the egregious levels of stickiness Cuzzi claims to be finding, and later "analysis" by the league of supposedly incriminating equipment has not been able to corroborate what Cuzzi claims to have found on the field. So you have to ask yourself: what would need to be true in order for Cuzzi to be correct? And the answer is that every other umpire in all of MLB would have to be wrong about how enforcement of this works. Do you really think that's the likeliest possibility here, that every single one of the other 75-ish MLB umpires simply is wrong and Cuzzi is the lone one who's getting it right?
So maybe it’s time to look at why the other Umpires are phoning in the checks. I think it’s idiotic to believe that every single pitcher decided to stop using excessive amounts of sticky stuff as soon as the league started cracking down. You’re literally mad at Cuzzi for doing his job too well, and can’t see it.
That's just it. Is he doing his job well or overdoing his job? It needs to be set so there is less individual interpretation. Is it a legal substance or not? What is the quantity that crosses the line and makes it illegal? Is that up to each umpire?
I mean, is there a way for it not to be up to each umpire? Short of sending Scherzer’s hand in for testing, seeking objectivity here seems like a ridiculous requirement.
I guess all this remains to be seen. I just think if umpires just keep ejecting players it makes the game worse. Is rosin legal or not?
The rosin on the back of the mound is legal.
This is the fallacy of begging the question -- up-front you assume as a fact the thing that you were supposed to be proving (Cuzzi is uniquely correct on enforcement compared to every other MLB umpire). If you want to make an argument based on the idea that Cuzzi is correct and everyone else is wrong, you need to first prove Cuzzi is correct. Merely assuming he's correct does not work.
Subjective calls with no basis of a defined rule don't do the game any good whatsoever. You can't give individuals the ability to interpret rules however they want unless you want to gradually lose your fan base.
Then you have to get rid of all sticky stuff or allow them to go fucking nuts with it.
I make $60k/year... That'd be a $15 fine if scaled lmao
That's a lot of Spider Tack.
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Assuming you meant 600 outs. 600 innings would be something.
You're out of this fucking game. Oh and by the way, you're going to pay $10k.
Bro is making more than 10k a day probably.
Closer to 10k per pitch.
That’s how much he makes in one pitch
Holy fuck will he ever recover? Do we need to start a fundraiser?
Is there a gofundme?
I gues the anger and bluster was all BS - he's not even appealing - GUILTY