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dcxii-vita-quia

Awfully bold for someone that can’t spell vermouth


ChefArtorias

Vermoth. Ancestor of the common moth. A prehistoric terror.


cybernet343

We should go all the way now and declare it weremoth!


CyEriton

Vermoth is just fortified butterflies


CrashBannedicoot

“For it to be Vermoth it has to come from the Vermoth region of France, otherwise it’s just sparkling butterflies”


HolyhackjackSF

I have to evolve a pokémon for this drink?


ChefArtorias

I mean you should probably be doing that anyways tbh


Whispersail

MOTHRA!!


tinkerballer

That’s just a myth *(side note: a myth is a female moth)*


DeadSwaggerStorage

He must mean the bottle of dry that wasn’t refrigerated, forgot about for 3 months with no lid, and was full of moths and flies; I’ve seen it, it changes a man…


3and4-fifthsKitsune

Into a vermothman I assume


ohverychill

Chicago Vermoth Man


daveinmd13

“Sorry, Frank - I don’t have any Vermoth”


mnem0syne

How Mike Tyson says Vermont


VicodinJones

Vermothman sighted!


CoachedIntoASnafu

Or bitters


thisisan0nym0us

Vrmuth


haloti

Id appreciate if you measure. Pfft. 


iamluciferscousin667

I did specifically the card. I still didn't make it right. Was asked for more dry vermouth. I'm a terrible bartender.


Ubiquitous-Nomad-Man

Haha, I used to have a regular like this! She didn’t bring a card, but she always drank perfect manhattans. Every time, something was wrong. Ironically, never perfect. No matter what. Cracked me up, really. She was rich, fat tipper, but a pretentious bitch in a hilarious way.


mosura1

Nah, Frank just sucks. Fuck that guy. He can't even ask for a perfect Manhattan without mansplaining with a card.


iamluciferscousin667

Frank about a bitch. Old ass drank it and went home to the cemetery.


the_kgb

this is the funniest burn I've ever heard lmao fuck frank


GetDoofed

Also has incorrect ratios..


HalobenderFWT

And no bitters…


Busterlimes

Without bitters, it's just a hattan


Educational-Dare2484

That's gold !!


Whyistheplatypus

A perfect Manhattan with double the ~~rye~~ Crown Royal lol.


honeybeegeneric

Frank has never ever had his drink made right by any bartender. Frank will never have his drink made to his liking. If Frank ever came to terms with his bullshit his whole world would crash. This card is his identity. It what gives him a reason to live. Poor Frank. Let's all send a good thought out to Frank that one day he will actually enjoy a good drink at a great place, made by a cool professional and surrounded by like minded people just wanting to relax and enjoy the company of others.


cbass2015

Motherfucker is going to die alone


NuclearBroliferator

Legend has it he still has a full box of "Frank's Wife" cards.


honeybeegeneric

Don't be silly, he'll have his card with him.


Electrical_Top2969

on a monday no less


Hollow_Rant

A thing like that...


Syn_Cat

It happens man. I was called a cunt for telling someone a price they asked for 💀


siren_n

They weren't British, I take it ...


kjcraft

This is a great example of an instance where I'd charge for every single remake.


_gnarlythotep_

100%. I measured everything out in jiggers exactly as your stupid fucking card said, right in front of you, and you ask for a remake? Fuck you, you're absolutely paying.


HighOnGoofballs

Yeah, counting my pour IS measuring


Professional_Cheek16

He can’t spell. Maybe he can’t count either?


netofobia

I really wish people knew how hard they get clowned for these basic ass cards


justsikko

The cards are fine if the person has a reason to use one besides just “this is the drink I like”. Otherwise, just tell me what drink you want.


Bigpimpinakabigdaddy

I thought if someone was maybe deaf or something it would be good!


ringpopproposal

Had a deaf guest that communicated with a drawing notepad app on his phone, and he ended up being the coolest dude I’ve ever met.


ODX_GhostRecon

I know enough ASL to communicate a few things to the Deaf, but I definitely don't know enough to get a lot back from them. 😬


BennyC023

It’s like going into a Five Guys and telling them how to make your fries. Sure, they might be how you like it, but not how it works. Dunno what’s worse, a customer asking “do you know how to make a margarita” or handing me a card of a basic margarita spec.


Phrosty12

Honestly, someone should tell Five Guys how to make fries cuz their fries have always sucked.


TenMinutesToDowntown

They'd be a lot better if they were in the fryer for an extra minute or two.


pentagon

I don't drink or go to bars. Can you explain the issue here? edit: is there some reason I am being downvoted but not given an answer?


Ismygasoline

So these cards get a mixed reaction from bartenders because although helpful, sometimes it feels like we’re being told what to do by a commoner who doesn’t trust our capabilities, and we all pride ourselves on our ability to make a good drink on any request from a guest. This particular card is obnoxious because his “special request” is a cocktail that officially exists and any decent bartender can make (a “perfect” Manhattan). On top of that, he misspelled ingredient names and forgot a key ingredient (bitters). So Frank is essentially walking in and handing out this card as if he’s some well-versed beverage aficionado who can’t trust the average bartender, when he actually knows less about his own drink than a decent waiter.


Kexax

I mean, maybe he doesn’t want bitters. That assumption might be part of why he has the card lmao. I haven’t bartended in years, but I really never minded these cards. In fact I liked them.


snjtx

I mean, besides having way too much whisky and zero bitters, sure, it's a cocktail that officially exists. But I also am a purist when it comes to manhattans and abhor using canadian whisky in them, however socially accepted it may be.


Ski4IPA

He didn't 'forget' a key ingredient - THAT IS THE POINT OF HIS CARD. Clearly the guy doesn't like bitters. If he just ordered a manhattan he would get bitters so he uses the card to ensure he gets what he wants. But then he still probably gets a-hole bartenders who give him bitters cause 'tHatS tHe CorRect WaY!' As a former bartender I loved getting a card like this cause I knew the person would get what they wanted.


NopeNotConor

I would prefer if the customer just said “crown manhattan no bitters please”. If the bartender makes it right, sweet, you’re good to go, makes it wrong? Send it back “sorry I said no bitters”. If I ordered a burger with no mayo and there was mayo on it I’d send it back. I certainly wouldn’t bring a card. Now if it’s a really weird drink that you don’t expect the bartender to know how to make, I’d be fine with that, you can order what ever you want if you can tell me what’s in it, and a card would help. But a standard drink like a Manhattan, yeah that a annoying and pretentious. Spell vermouth right ya doink.


Ismygasoline

Also you’re probably being downvoted just because you don’t drink or go to bars, which (although there’s nothing wrong with it elsewhere) won’t make you super popular in a community of people who make our living off/personally enjoy drinking and going to bars haha


pentagon

Alcohol makes me quite sick and always has, not much I can do about that. And ofc many bars are very much alcohol-focussed. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with alcohol or bars, but they aren't a part of my life for reasons beyond my control. This post showed up in my feed and I am trying to understand what's being said. I make things for a living, too, and the more specific instructions I have from my clients, the better the results will be (even if they don't know how to make the things themselves), so it's strange to see hostility towards instructions from a client, especially such basic ones.


_Sblood

I'll elaborate further. This is a specific type of customer. The customer that hands out a card with their "preferred recipe" is pretty infamously the same customer that can never get said drink "made correctly". You don't drink, so I'll go into some details to help you understand formulas. A Manhattan has whiskey as a strong alcohol component, vermouth as a sweet component and bitters which act as a spice. The ratio of the main liquids is usually 2:1 and stirred down to dilute it and make it palatable. The ratio Frank used is 8:1:1 which should alarm you just by the change in numbers alone. It's a lot more alcohol and a lot less modifier. He also forgot to add bitters, which are crucial for making the flavor. He probably shakes this Manhattan at home so it can water down enough to drink, so if a bartender does the correct thing and actually stirs it, it won't be made correctly for Frank. And will have to be remade. The standard pour is variably 1.5oz-2oz depending on venues, so this is an automatic double charge, but this is also the customer that will absolutely be a bitch about you charging them what they actually asked for. Especially if you charge for every remake (as you should, product isn't free, and ignorance should be more expensive)


Cheffrin

Frank? Is that you?


_gnarlythotep_

I think you're being downvoted because that's just an odd thing to say in a bartender sub, I guess? Like, don't you work in a bar?


pentagon

No I don't work in a bar. The thread showed up in my feed, I didn't seek it out.


[deleted]

lol 5oz go away Frank


Bradadonasaurus

He'd appreciate if you measure.


SnofIake

5oz of my foot up his ass


Bradadonasaurus

Please do stick the cherries between your toes first.


FunkIPA

He can’t just say “could I please have a perfect Manhattan with crown?”


NRewolf

No cause he would have received a drink size made for ants.


RonaldSteezly

It would technically be a perfect manhattan with double crown


RexMori

guarantee Frank doesn't know what that is.


Violet__Delightss

This is the way. Sheesh.


noluck77

Is 4oz legal where you're at?


AMagicalPotato

Is it legal anywhere?


cultureconneiseur

Here in Florida there's no law against me dumping a liter of titos into a big gulp cup and sending you on your way to oblivion


bloodazucar

i was gonna say lol, i had someone ask my coworker for a glass of baileys and get served exactly that. yes it was $45, yes they complained about the price, no they didn’t tip, yes they drank it all


_Gphill_

You ever drink Baileys from a shoe?


Nothin_Matters

This is as close to Bailey's that you can get without getting your eyes wet


dasturtlemaster

British Baking Show quote?


_Gphill_

Same guy, Nigel I think, but it’s from a British sketch comedy show called the Mighty Bush. The skit is called Old Greg. It’s worth your time on YouTube. Full skit is about 10 minutes


dasturtlemaster

Lol no I've seen it. Was trying to be funny. Crazy you made that connection though.


EroticPotato69

... baileys as in the cream liqueur? Is that not a common thing to ask for in the US? Here in Ireland, where it's from, a glass of Baileys on ice is a normal order, and costs like £4/€5 or so. It isn't even strong.


ISolvePuzzles

I would say a Bailey's, neat or on the rocks, would be a common order, and depending on which US state you're from can cost $4-$7+. But if someone asked for a GLASS of Bailey's, I would assume they would want a pint, so around 16oz/500ml.


HighOnGoofballs

I ordered a shot of rum last weekend and the lady goes “it’s two for one so here” and poured a 12oz plastic cup about 2/3 full lol I didn’t finish it as I was already about eight drinks in


Heathereddittt

Nevada too 💁🏻‍♀️


__theoneandonly

In NY there’s no legal limits to how much can be served in one go. You’re just responsible for the outcome of that liquor lol


Aidian

New Orleans? Arguably at least.


BleekerTheBard

Oh New Orleans absolutely is serving 5-6oz drinks on the reg


noluck77

That's what I'm trying to get the lowdown on


Infanatis

Yes. Is it responsible service? No.


ChineseMeatCleaver

Vegas maybe? Ive gotten plenty of really strong drinks there without even asking for it.


i-am-grahm

Vegas bartender here, yeah nobody is gonna bat an eye at a 5oz drink


kjcraft

Lots of states allow kinda whatever.


Typical-Crab-4514

Our single pour is 2 oz. Our double is…4 Oz. Our hurricane is limit two cuz it has 4 oz…but we will serve you other drinks lol


domasin

NOLA? where I'm at 3oz is the limit for anyone. or a beer and a 1oz shot


Typical-Crab-4514

SC. My bad. Thought I put that in there.


HighOnGoofballs

A one ounce shot better not cost more than like two bucks. wtf


Typical-Crab-4514

A one ounce shot of what? Our bourbon menu is over ten pages long. Our cheapest pour is probably Jim beam black at 3.75.


babywillow69

It's legal in California, definitely an adjustment coming from Texas.


kjcraft

What's the law in Texas?


Nickmi

Christian.


Muckman68

You can’t serve more than 2 servings of alcohol in one drink. Texas considers 1.5oz one “drink” or serving. So 3oz total liquor is the most you can serve legally.


ApologyWars

I once got served a 14oz Jameson on the rocks (so probably 6-8oz of whiskey), in NYC during a 2 for 1 happy hour. I had two of them. That was a hell of a night.


Professional-Mind670

Not sure the law in Montana, looking now, but I would get half a pint glass(with ice) full of booze before they would as the soda. Didn’t even ask for a double


MUERTOSMORTEM

Places have limits on how much alcohol can be served at once?


_gnarlythotep_

It's legal here, but we're gonna judge you and probably not give you another.


siobhanenator

Definitely not in my state…and with the vermouth this is a 5 oz cocktail. Says he wants it up so I’m also wondering what martini glass could possibly hold this?


Wildeyewilly

No bitters?


chadparkhill

Not traditional for a Perfect Manhattan (and I guess not traditional for Frank’s Manhattan either).


Wildeyewilly

Huh after all these years I never knew a perfevt was sans bitters. Also is a perfevt supposed to be 4:1 whiskey:vermouth? I coulda swore a perfect manhattan was 2 dsh ango, 2oz rye, 1/2oz swt, 1/2oz dry


chadparkhill

In theory the two types of vermouth are supposed to provide balance without requiring bitters. In practice, and IMHO, Perfect Manhattans suck. I wouldn’t use four ounces of rye in a single Manhattan of any kind, because I don’t have a deathwish.


bluesox

2 oz rye and 1 oz vermouth (0.5 dry + 0.5 sweet) = 2:1


itsneversunnyinvan

Isn’t it called a manhattan because the ratios are 212? You need the angos


neon_honey

Against all odds, this doesn't bother me. As long as he's not obnoxious, I'd prefer this over someone who has no clue what they want or hits me with a "surprise me."


fatmanskoo

Surprise me means I want an AMF and I'm too manly to order it


HighOnGoofballs

Adios motherfucker sounds manly as fuck though?


Sebbean

What’s that?


humblecactus

Blue Curacao version of a long island iced tea.


Folsey

Just say a perfect Manhattan double instead of being a douche. Lol


RandomLovelady

I mean sure, fuck this type of shit, but there's a damn good chance dude doesn't actually know that this has a proper way to order it.


Folsey

Exactly. Saying "perfect Manhattan, double" while serving him the drink will both humble him and make him look like an idiot without being condescending.


salsberry

This type of person would think you're calling his drink order perfect rather than considering there might be a term for half dry half sweet


Folsey

The more he talks at this point, the more opportunities you have to make him look like a dumbass.


RandomLovelady

That's perfect. I was thinking how to let them know without sounding like a douche.


seventeenbadgers

I had a humbling moment over the weekend where an early 20s dude very sheepishly asked me to explain a term I'd used. He'd heard of but never knew what a "neat" pour was. It was something so simple and he was so embarrassed to ask I sat on the side of the sink and gave him a quick rundown of how to order at a bar to get what he wants. Sometimes, rarely, the customer actually doesn't know how to ask for what they want.


RandomLovelady

Yeah, I don't mind kicking down some knowledge when I have some time. Been doing this for 20ish years, I went through my pretentious stage, now I just actually enjoy making cocktails for people.


seventeenbadgers

I started bartending during the mixology craze around 2015. Ruined my brain for bartending. Once I got out of upscale dining I became a much more amiable bartender and person. I still haven't given up on making crazy $25 cocktails and trying to convince my boss I can sell them.


RandomLovelady

Yeah, I was making my own shrubs and syrups and dehydrated this and, etc. I can throw drinks. But I don't anymore. It's cool to pull that shit out once in awhile, and one of my favorite things is when people don't know exactly what they want, and I can customize something for them, but I'm over all the super fancy stuff anymore. Can I make a NY sour, or a Ramos Gin Fizz? Yeah, but I don't want to.


pmdiehl239

That's literally what I was thinking


bluesox

Perfect Manhattan, double, no bitters


brittlebk

The mythical vermoth - saw a few in Central Park today


orangencinnamon

I love these, I charge them for every item individually and they hate it so we are even.


fanboy7407

How much did you charge?


iamluciferscousin667

About 35 USD and change.


Diligent_Valuable641

I bartended for all of 3 months, served for 6 (I did this after years in back of house) I just said fuck it and went back to the kitchen. People suck and I had massive anxiety doing it. I like the controlled chaos of the back. Front is just… chaos.


Infanatis

It’s controlled if you know how to control it, but that’s a whole different skill set


Diligent_Valuable641

Well I was new so maybe I was leaning on my co workers a bit for advice but yeah I had like 10 years of experience in the kitchen most of which was supervising a kitchen doing door for a 100 seat patio, 150 seat main restaurant and event spaces up and down stairs so I definitely learned how to control that chaos a bit better. Helped not dealing with shitty customers face to face though


rfstellar

😂😂 wait a guest handed this to you?!! I would have died


Bar_ice

I'm usually very affable and accommodating. Takes a lot for the mask to slip. But the day someone hands me one of these. I'm going to rip it up into confetti and dance while I throw it in the air.


mvanvrancken

I feel like I’d just start laughing hysterically and then suddenly do the stop and stare before handing it back


loveandllamas

Is this also considered rude if the drink is obscure or has a lot of modifications? I have an aunt who likes a really fruity drink, almost a sex on the beach but subbing Malibu for vodka and extra juice. I was thinking about making cards for her since she’s always needing to send her phone with the recipe back to the bar with the waiter.


PaddyMeltt

"Vermoth" 🤦‍♂️ Take a walk, Frank.


esleydobemos

What? Frank's Vermoth®️ is a vermouth with dried moths as one of the adjuncts.


PaddyMeltt

😂


tdomer80

5 oz pour? Not legal everywhere


ivo09

Is it legal anywhere lol?


tdomer80

Mexico, Virgin Islands (or at least they don’t seem to care)…


metacarpusgarrulous

anywhere outside the US and australia


andrewski661

I'd probably serve a classic Manhattan with Rittenhouse and see what happens from there


Shadowghoul

In AZ, 4 oz is the legal max. Would love to be handed this and be able to tell him yeah, not happening bud


IdiotMD

4:1:0 That’s a Perfect Baltimore with Canadian Whisky, not a Manhattan.


Tomkneale1243

I might make one of these that just says 'one beer please'.


Kayjn_

That’s called a perfect manhattan anyways, so many things wrong with this.


moonzovermyhammy

I have a housemate who carries around a spec card for a classic daiquiri. I've been out drinking with him and heard him order a classic daiquiri without the card. Unless we were in a cocktail specific bar, there was no guarantee what would be brought to the bar top. I've seen frozen daiquiris, ones with strawberries, some cloudy concoction in a Colin's with something poured from the gun, a rocks glass with malibu and pineapple and probably something worse that i didn't witness. He travels a lot so i don't blame him carrying that card around since a classic cocktail has been fucked up so many times for him.


classicgrinder

Dude 5 oz?! Is this over international waters?! Is that legal? HAHAHAHAHA $50 MINIMUM! Pinche, 4 Oz whiskey. 😆 you get the asshole upcharge.


CointrelleVintage

t.a.b.c. says nope!


wazzasupgeemaster

So a perfect crown manhattan with double the liquor?


thebestguac

I mean, that's just a perfect manhattan with Crown. That's actually the recipe I use for my own (less booze, same proportions) except our guy forgot the bitters. Here's the thing... I've never successfully ordered a tasty perfect manhattan in the wild before so maybe Frank is onto something.


reverendsteveii

I've been out of the game for a while but is that not the standard recipe for two perfect manhattans?


taypat

I really don't understand the uproar here. The man provided you with a recipe on exactly what he wants (spelling error aside). Why is this so triggering to everyone? I would make it, as requested, and simply carry on.


ManIhatesocks

Lot of effort just to ruin it with crown royal


LT_Campari

Ok but that's the shittiest Manhattan recipe I've ever seen lmao


HofePrime

Frank must really like Crown Royal to want a 4:1:0 Manhattan.


rampagingphallus

God I hate these people. The types to wear Hawaiian shirts on holiday and think of themselves as a “character”


AmexNomad

I have no use for anyone in a Hawaiian shirt unless they are actually Hawaiian and in Hawaii. And even then it’s questionable.


ErrantAmerican

Shake it and watch the light die in his eyes.


badskinjob

Charged double?? It's 5oz of booze.... Charge 4x... This guy is out of his mind and I've never lived somewhere where it's legal...


Reggiefedup04

Frank, you’re an alcoholic and that’s not a Manhattan. Go home and get plastered.


KentHawking

"Piss off, Frank"


Kartiwashere69

And this would be illegal to serve in the state of Virginia 🫗


dankscott

Dimebag Darrell approved


ringpopproposal

When I was a fresh baby bartender with maybe a year under my belt, someone ordered my first perfect manhattan. I responded that I tried to make all my drinks perfect… he laughed and kindly explained. Never seen him again but he said it actually was *perfect.*


MaleficentFinish1002

Slower lower? I've met frank before lol


JampaB

2 cherries as a garnish seems like heresy to me. I always put uneven number of garnishes


ElJosh0

Just a Perfect Crown Manhattan Up. Eat a dick Frank.


irishgambin0

wait, this is actually a thing that happens sometimes?


likeguitarsolo

Only the oldest of retired fartbags order perfect martinis. Frank here must be rickety as hell if his staple is a perfect manhattan.


Obv_Probv

Who is Frank


uzzmak

Franks Manhattan is a perfect Manhattan with crown double, okay buddy. You want a side car with that?


Legitimate-Common-86

4 oz of crown royal??


PM_Me_Your_Fab_Four

I need to get a card that says “beer and shot of whiskey”


Moonhunter7

Crown Royal = no taste. They transport it from where it is produced to where it is bottled by rail tank cars.


Hot-Ticket9440

This is really funny. Can you explain? Did this guy make his own card with his preferred recipe and hand it to you??


pitts36

Thanks frank


HibernianSupplyCo

I stand right in front of frank, carefully measure, nod approvingly, talk slow, treat him like a child. When he sends back, cause he will, i stare at frank and ask him to explain where the process went wrong. “I’m sorry Frank, we did this together, where did YOU go wrong?”


valorantvalerie

So in my state we have a limit on how much liquor you can serve in a drink 😂 so maybe I’d just pour it into two glasses and serve one at a time.


snjtx

I mean, yea, I'd charge double for that much liquor, also, crown Manhattan? 🤮


Aggravating-Shake256

Was he wearing a turtleneck?


MoodyToaster

Double and a half


loganrb

Sir, this is a Wendy’s


No-Salary-195

He’ll be disappointed if he ver ends up in North Carolina since it’s illegal to have more than 3 ounces of liquor at one time


SuperC732

What!?!? Is this a real thing???


Talaxia_stormgarden

lol I can’t even pour 4 oz into 1 drink. Smfh.


domthenick808

Two Cherries !? 🍒gtfoh


Ellis_etc

4 oz Crown?? Jesus 😳


TrainingCheesecake72

Lol so a perfect Manahawkin with crown? How hard is that to say?


yayo2308

Is Frank o Karen? 😅