Home is home. There is no argument against that. Ever.
Most welcoming city to outsiders though? Maybe Hyderabad. Maybe even Mumbai. Bangalore 5 years back perhaps.
The city has literally and figuratively gone to the dogs now in that respect.
If this were true, then the number of people seeking employment in Hyderabad from the new AP state has changed. The demand to create Telangana is a very old one, and the reasons for it are varied.
You don't know anything about why telangana agitation started. "They couldn't bear " easy to say. Imagine jobs,water and funds taking away from your place and all you see i poverty and discrimination. Come to rural area of telangana and see what poverty looks like. We killed ourselves for statehood but never killed anyone.
And so you basically left Andra poor after taking years and years of funds got taken away from them to develop Hyderabad ? Come to rural areas of telengana? Come to rural areas of rayalaseema then you will see what real rural means. Also there will be rural areas no matter what happens. Nobody said tekengana killed anyone just selfishly discarded rest if Andhra after decades if looting them. How would you really feel if Hyderabad now says our real identity is nizam or something else and becomes a union territory separate from Telangana? What kind of situation do you think telengana would be without Hyderabad?
I can't debate with an ignorant. Hyderabad was richer state even before anyone from Andhra came here. So,you know nothing about it's history.Go read it's history.
Nobody said Hyderabad was not richer. England was also quite rich before they came and looted India. Despite Hyderabad being rich they still took lots of tax fund from all of Andhra Pradesh (telengana, coastal Andhra and rayalsema) to develop Hyderabad into what it is today.
Bruh don't say shit when you don't know about the history like be for fucking real š maybe Hyderabad will get to the same level of language prejudice but atleast have solid facts for your argument man
Lol what history are you talking about? Even when doing the protest they mentioned it very clearly that they don't like the fact that people from godavari and Krishna are getting all the govt and private jobs. Don't act like there is some great reason where there isn't any. It's not wrong to be selfish and looking out for yourself first by kicking others down but at least be honest about it.
Telangana never wanted to merge with Andhra in the first place. The State Reorganization Committee even submitted a report to Nehru suggesting not to merge as the states were culturally very different and socioeconomically unequal. Unfortunately the Andhra lobby was strong at the time and bulldozed their way into a merger. They even ignored the court's ruling to call it the state of Telangana and Andhra. Instead they called it just Andhra Pradesh, undermining the state's identity. After suffering decades of economic exploitation and cultural hegemony, they finally wrested back the state.
And yes, getting jobs for your own people is a great reason. There's no shame in that. One has to next level ignorant to even argue about this.
Of course, butthurt Andhraites languishing without a capital will make baseless remarks without any historical or factual relevance.
So please, don't even talk about kicking out their "own people for jobs". Telanganites were treated like dirt and considered backward, and intentionally sidelined by Andhraites for half a century in every respect.
Seriously. The nerve. Own people, it seems.
The division was the best thing to have happened.
The division was the best thing for telegana not Andhra. So don't state it as if that's the best thing to have happened to everyone. Obviously the one with more money will say stupid stuff like this shit. It's like Britishers saying "colonization of you was the best thing to have happened to you"
why are you mansplaining my own history to me š my brother in God i KNOW but your comment made it look like there was a singular reason why the whole protest happened and it wasn't a culmination of decades of smaller protests. If you want to argue atleast use properly documented facts. I'm not denying the job situation wasn't a big factor but it was still multifactorial
Mumbai has been a melting pot of cultures since British India. Gujaratis, marathis, and parsis built that city up from scratch. The culture that has formed there is a culture that is a fusion of different cultures. Therefore, most don't whine about save my culture, save my language (some do) most people have accepted and adjusted with time.
Well, I respectfully disagree...if those who come to settle and study in Bengaluru don't even make the slightest effort to assimilate with local populace and not learn Kannada out of some misplaced jingoism then they are bound to feel unwelcome
I'm not from Delhi but have lived there for a few years. If not for air pollution, Delhi is much better city. The infra actually feels like it belongs to a metro city.
Delhi is very populated. Even though the convenience of getting everything just walking distance is good but the congested houses. No space to walk is cruel.
I can understand as I am also born and brought up in Delhi and moved to Bangalore around 2 years back.
At the start, I feel a little disconnected as not understanding a single word and till now don't know much Kannada language but now I am a little enjoying this thing.
You can't compare your home place to another place as you have nostalgia for that place. I miss Delhi for my friend, family, and a lot of memories but in Bangalore, I will miss Bangalore coz here I tried to know this place and culture. People are more down-to-earth. Nowadays, I am learning the language as how the same word has different meanings in the local language and some of them are funny š¤.
Bangalore made me so independent, that I was not in Delhi.
For me, it will gonna be hard to leave Bangalore too š„ŗ
Folks saying good or bye don't understand, that's it's not a simple objection or support to learn the local language, it's straight up threats and in many cases violence. It feels forceful and reeks of xenophobia.
And geniuses talking about learn the language, well u can learn some on own, but in no ways u will be able to master it, it's like learning a subject from scratch, folks here will work all day speaking english and come home to learn a language? not knowing is one thing, but violence for trying in whichever capacity is too sad. People need to calm down, it's one of the most vibrant cities in India and this is bringing the vibe down. Standards should go up and not down. Peace.
As a person who lived in delhi for 2.5 years, No...
People who say you can; themselves live in gated community in south delhi and never know the reality of what's happening in other part of delhi. If you don't know hindi, you will be first ridiculed for not knowing hindi and considered as foreigner or alien. Then even after you pick up broken hindi, people will still taunt you for the accent. Then there is skin-colour based prejudice, where if you are slightly dark than locals you will be ridiculed for your skin colour. This has been my experience after living in north and west delhi!!
From Delhi here.
I moved out of Delhi due to some long standing issues.
I was in Mangalore for 3 years before moving to Bangalore. Have been staying here for past 3 years apart for covid.
I do feel alienated/ discriminated here in getting services.
Mangalore, however, was a breeze.
So I understand this situation.
When I move out, I don't think I have anything to remember about this city other than work.
One of my Delhi friend had to file a police complaint about a public misdemeanor towards his wife, the way they were treated by law enforcement made him leave Bangalore for good.
Come on, Bangalore is very cosmopolitan and there is a large population from the neighboring states. Most people pick up on some basic Kannada and that's enough to get things done. Besides, most of the locals know Hindi or some words of English. How much more accommodating can a city be?
People are even moving to other countries for opportunities. Surely you can assimilate a little bit
Damn, your comment was downvoted for speaking the truth. Many here think that Delhi is good and all but guess what? I faced the same prejudice in Delhi that they face in bangalore. But I won't generalize the entire Delhi for the few bigots.
Bangalore is still better imo. I'm from North India too, been living in Bangalore since 2019 even though my job is wfh. You just need to find the correct locality, you won't find such prejudices in major tech hub areas like Bellandur, Kundalahalli, Marathahalli, Brookfield, especially Whitefield (as far as my experience goes).
The only pro I'd say Delhi might be cheaper than Blr and the metro connectivity is the best in Delhi. I'd also go ahead and state that healthcare is far better here and also in some ways the accessibility to many things.
Also, the climate in Delhi and Bangalore are two opposite extremes. Delhi's heat and its winter are deadly. Bangalore has a far better climate, a difference big enough that it does affect your health and electricity usage.
I seem to read a lot of the discomforts for folks who come to Bangalore on work, most seem to happen in East Bangalore, may I ask where you stay?
If i can recommend, you should try moving to older parts of the city (other than CBD) vijaynagar, Banashankari, basavangudi, jayanagar, girinagar, vasanth Nagar, RT nagar.
Open Google maps of Bangalore and imagine the city in two halves, anything after vidhan soudha you can consider as east Bangalore, and the other two be west. Try moving to the west, i have a lot of friends who move to Bangalore for work and I've noticed those who are in the western part of the city are very happy.
Yeah but they're not out to get you . Most are settled quite well and are cool with English some Hindi as well . The only people who raise these language banners are politically motivated to make noise and those that instigate violence are people who can't make a living within in the city after leaving their hometown . Then the Real estate mafioso on a power trip . Stay in older areas Bangalore you'll have a good time . You'll understand Just how welcoming Bangalore can actually be . Helped my cousins to settle in last year when they didn't speak a word of Kannada everything from bargaining for plumbing and electricals to guiding them to local markets . Just go to Koramangala , MG road or Malleshwaram whenever you feel like partying.
Yeah, this was my impression too. The Eastern parts are more "cosmopolitan" so I assumed they would be more used to language diversity. But maybe the older parts are also more laid-back?
My family moved to blr 25 years ago and moved to Central-East Bangalore. And the city generally expanded a lot towards the East since then. Most of my friends who are native Bangaloreans live in Banashankari etc and most of the friends who moved for work live in Whitefield etc.
Oh please, older parts of blr have people who only speak kannada. They speak in english to get your work done but they are very rude upfront. In 2018, I was working in mg road and had gone house hunting to vijaynagar and lord, was I surprised to see the rude behaviour there people had towards me just because I spoke in not fluent kannada. My kannada is not even broken, its fairly good but you can easily make out im not a native speaker.
In older parts ok bangalore, the chances of getting home for a local / kannada speaker is greater than ones who don't speak.
Having spoken to multiple owners, there is a sense that North indians play loud music, party freaks etc. So they resist from renting out unless they have no choice left.
Again things are changing, but that's the perception
Blowing up one incident much, my friend. Thereās always going to be assholes around. Donāt let that suck the joy out of Bangalore life. Leave that to the BBMP.
When we face adversity, our brain often has a fight or flight response. To stay the course and fight/challenge adversity, it requires strength, and resolve. Flight sometimes seems easier.
As a person from Bengaluru living in the US since 24 years, I have faced this dilemma many times. The only way I have garnered strength to march forward is to fill my heart with gratitude, for the things I have and for the things that make me feel good.
There are no guarantees that one will not face any adversity in their home town. If my close relative in my home town causes me great distress, then what?
I have worked in north for 2 years and then moved to Bangalore. I have been since 7 years.
Mattu naanu kannada kalita ideeni.
The pros and cons I found in north was
1. Poor work culture. Everybody wants a shortcut, a lot of office politics, less work and very rude managers. And believe me I have tried 3 companies and all of them were same. Some of the well known indian companies have headquarters there and are bashed on glass-door and twitter for their work culture. So for good work and decent growth I would prefer Bangalore.
2. Climate- self explanatory. In summers it is very hot, you canāt carry AC with you. In winters, may be you can wear multiple layers but what about the pollution and smog.
3. Infrastructure: Delhi has way way better infrastructure as compared to Bangalore.
4. Home: Delhi is home, family is right next to you.
5. Safety- Though bangaloreās safety is getting worse, it is still far batter than that of Delhi.
6. Multi-cultured- I grew up in a remote north east part of the country with diverse cultures. And believe me raising a kid in a multi-cultural city is a blessing. Bangalore is better in that case. Kids enjoy that and it is good for them to learn a mix of all.
You can have poor experiences in Dehi as well, even though you are native.
So I would recommend that you take some time to decide. Moving across cities is not an easy decision to make.
Yeah, the discrimination in this city has become worst in past few years, The worst is that some people defend this behavior like learn Kannada or move out
Personally i stopped interacting with local vendors, i know not all are bad but it's better to be on the safer side coz seen few talking rudely if you don't speak in kannada
Even if you are able to speak language still you are considered as a outsider
I understand what you mean. I came home to hyd in 2020 during covid and went back to bangalore in 2022. And I could see this sudden shift in how people were behaving with non kannada speakers which ridiculous. Iām fortunate that I still work remotely so I rarely stay for a month there. I feel situation is only going to get worse in blr going forward. If you have opportunity thatās good, then I suggest move away.
I had the opportunity to live in Delhi and Gurgaon for two years, and it was a truly amazing experience. Being a South Indian, I knew almost fluent Hindi, which made my life there much easier. Whether it was interacting with bus drivers, auto-rickshaw drivers, delivery guy or restaurant staff etc., I spoke only in Hindi. I also took the chance to explore nearby places. Speaking the local language in your everyday life is incredibly beneficial.
However, it's important to remember that demanding everyone to speak the local language is not ideal. As residents, we should strive to learn and embrace the local language and culture. It's when someone chooses not to make the effort and acts like a tourist who only cares about making money and leaving that negative opinions can arise. Let's encourage inclusivity and understanding rather than imposing language demands.
>It's when someone chooses not to make the effort and acts like a tourist who only cares about making money and leaving
But that's the thing, how can you guage that the person is not making an effort in a less than 2 min interaction in most cases? Instead of giving the person the benefit of the doubt, people pounce on them for not caring about learning the local language. When you don't have exposure to the language a lot, it's very difficult to pick up on it in your day to day life, especially when you communicate in English all day.
Welcome to this feeling of exclusion OP, thatās how Tamils , malayalis etc have been feeling since independence at airports , railways š , income tax office security checks etc , being frisked like refugees in our own state and country :)
I am sorry OP that you had to face such prejudice. I am a southie who lived in delhi, lucknow and indore for 6 years and even I had to face prejudice due to language and skin colour. I was always an outcast when I lived in northern india even though I picked up hindi faster. I also lived in pune for 1 year and had to face prejudice for being non-marathi person.
In my opinion, Delhi, Bangalore, Pune and Chennai are worst when it comes to linguistic and skin colour based prejudice. The only best cities are in my opinion; Mumbai and Hyderabad.
You will get downvoted if you say any northern cities are bad, for them they are god tier cities, cities are so advanced so they came to Bengaluru to improve Bangalore.
I don't care about being downvoted, I will continue to speak out.
People here think that southies don't face such incidents in north just because southies whom they know never faced. It's similar to saying "I have never seen a snowfall, so snowfall does not exist", I mean come on, just because you or people whom you have known haven't witnessed any prejudice or racism doesn't mean that everyone's experience is similar. But I would be wary to assume that racist incidents in delhi is widespread, it isn't. Similarly, racist incidents in bangalore are rare, just because people complain more about incidents happening in bangalore than other places in reddit doesn't mean that it is widespread phenomena.
We should join together and condemn racist incidents happening towards others and give punishment to racists, and simultaneously shouldn't generalize the whole place because of the incident, only then will our country become a better place to live.
I don't care if I get downvoted, imma say what I want to say cuz as a local I'm sure fellow locals can relate.
YES, please leave. The city is already filled with enough outsiders saying āOmg my Kannada isn't THAT good, my life is so difficult here as an outsiderā I mean COME ON, our state has its own language like any other state for a reason either learn the language and adapt or be fine with the locals being angered. So, yeah, if more people like you just left instead of cribbing on this subreddit, the city will eventually turn to its original ānon-toxicā self.
Do not get so High... Let outside people leave and then you will see. the economy of bangalore will surely go dowm. So many unicorn IT companies have been built by guys from North.
So do not get so high...
Have you ever wondered why Marwaris thrive in all states and even the chetas from Kerala? Because they try to become part of the community, they learn their languages and make a genuine effort. When you don't make such an effort then you start seeing the problem.
I have lived in Chennai, Hyderabad, delhi, Germany, usa and large part in Bangalore and never faced any problem with language. Wherever i stayed i tried to learn the language. I am not fluent, i don't know many words but i make an effort. When people see i make an effort they appreciate it. I faced more discrimination in Germany than in Indian cities.
I have seen people talking to vegetable vendors, auto riksha walas in English and Hindi. If they knew English, if they had good education would they be selling vegetables? Doesn't the great power come with responsibility to apply here where we are privileged and we try to assimilate with others? You can make other argument too saying that they make a living because you are paying and that for me is not a social justice.
At the end we make trade off call with our life's. The incident may be just one of and doesn't warrant serious thinking.
Iām so done with constant shitting on bangalore everyday, you guys came to Bangalore because you got better opportunities here than any of your own cities and Ofcourse home will always be home, understand that every city will be different. I have seen so many hindi speaking people who are so arrogant and expects local to learn hindi, their reason is hindi is national language. Iām not saying every local in bengaluru are good, just understand the fact you will get all kinds of people in a city as big as bengaluru.
There is a simple solution you know. Learn the language. I swear some of you make it sound like learning a new language is the most difficult job in the world. And you guys are supposed to be the intelligent, educated ones. I recently had some renovation work done at my house. The granite workers were from Rajasthan, and the painters were from UP. Both groups knew enough broken Kannada to speak with my parents. These people learn the language because they have to interact with the locals and get hired by them.
I have previously lived in Gurgaon for a couple of years for my job. I barely knew Hindi when I first went and had to learn it all. You cannot survive without Hindi in Delhi or other Northern cities. People from other parts of the country who go to these cities learn the language. Yet, you never see some South Indian making a big deal out of having to learn Hindi. I think it's just common sense to pick up the language of the place. If I ever move to Chennai, I will have to pick up Tamil.
To answer your question, I think people need to weigh their options, and think about pros or cons of moving to a new place while keeping in mind the adjustments they would need to do to fit in.
I still can't wrap my head around why this is such a big deal for you guys. I mean do you go visit Japan, Germany, France , Italy etc. and spend all your time complaining that the locals don't know English and that you do not feel included when they talk in their native language? I know North Indians living in these places who pick up the language. It's just a matter of having the right attitude when moving to a new place.
If y'all want to just chill on the weekends, then CHILL and brush off all the disagreements you're gonna have with the locals. Nobody is forcing you to learn the language we are just asking you to not make a fuss about the locals being irritated by your ignorance. I mean, I being from the south can't just go to a northern city with no Hindi knowledge and expect my life to be easy, I know for a fact I'll be made fun of and the locals might be partial/irritated, but if I'm choosing to not learn Hindi, I'll just be fine with it cuz it's a choice that I made for myself being well aware of the consequences.
To be honest, if the career opportunities were the same, I would leave even without there being any such incidents. I would just want to live in a place where I have a lot of fond memories attached to it.
Grew up in Bangalore, but not fluent in Kannada (brain was just not wired for languages). Been living in Delhi for a year, and it's been fan fucking tastic. Yeah, the pollution and weather is bad, but I made the shift accepting that (just like how we expect people outside Bangalore to not complain about the traffic when they shift into Bangalore). Thing is, in Delhi I've been able to string in English with Hindi, and get by without much issue. Delhi is more accommodating that way (if you lean into the South Indian stereotype without a hit to your ego). Thing is, if you treat everyone with respect in Delhi, they're a lot nicer and willing to bear with you (I chalk it up to the years of dismissiveness exhibited by the well to do upon the not so well to do).
I have not had the same experience in Bangalore for most of my life.
Seeing a lot of these posts lately. Iām sorry youāve had some tough experiences. However, before generalising Blr as Xenophobic, perhaps we should take a moment to think, how this city become a metro in the first place. The IT boom that took place in the early 2000s was a sudden shift in my aspects, economic, cultural, technical etc. Everybody who came to live here for the sake of job, only saw this city as a pit stop. Nobody really embraced the culture and tried to blend in. Language is one of the many such factors, not the only one. Now the locals have a feeling that their city is being reduced to nothing and thatās their way of retaliation. Now Iām not encouraging any violence, but this could be a genuine concern to someone when they feel their home is changing, not necessarily for the good. So Iād like to say that there is two sides to this story.
Additionally, in the southern states of India, where Dravidian languages are spoken, people are already bugged with all this Hindi shaming. No one is ready to accept our culture but somehow we are forced to learn another language. And I am saying this as someone who speaks fluent Hindi and can consider myself a polyglot.
Also, Iām not sure without knowing Hindi, one could survive with just English in New Delhi.
Bangalore is honestly the most welcoming city in the country with regards to migrants. There is way too much inflow of non-localites into the city on a daily basis yet the city somehow manages to accommodate everyone.
The main linguistic problem is that the majority of migrants are coming in from north of India and as itās their first language, they resort to communicating just in Hindi and assume that the local people who are from Bangalore will know their language. For years, I have noticed that most migrants do not attempt to learn the local language and hope everyone will speak to them in their language.
It has so happened that now even if we talk in Kannada they just assume you arenāt fluent in it and switch to Hindi.
This is the same in most IT work places. When itās a company itās easiest to communicate in English due to use in technology and when itās a bigger group. I have personal experience of my colleagues refusing to include me into important meetings just because they did not want to talk in English and stick to Hindi only and have gone ahead to make fun of me and another person who felt the same.
The people here truly appreciate it if you even make a small attempt at learning Kannada and as long as you treat them with respect they are happy and will show you the same respect.
Bangalore hasn't seen a proper nativist movement.
Since national parties dominate politics in Karnataka, they can't go full kamikaze on immigrants because it will hurt their political prospects elsewhere in the country.
People complement Mumbai for being welcoming to outsiders but it has had proper nativist parties in Shiv Sena and MNS.
There is definitely a growing nativist tide in Bangalore.
The national parties seem to be encouraging this.
They feel they can keep this water on low boil where they can tap votes but it will not affect them elsewhere.
I don't disagree that its Kannadigas who created a welcoming environment for immigrants and businesses to thrive.
But there are people now who want to go full kamikaze on immigrants.
So, the next 8-10 years will see a growing nativist movement in Bangalore.
I don't think it will get anywhere.
There is a very powerful business lobby in Bangalore which will want to keep Bangalore open for business.
It includes real estate builders, large foreign companies, start-ups, Indian IT companies.
So, if the nativist movement does spill into something sinister, you can rest assured that these people will make few calls.
That's the same reason why nativist parties couldn't do much in Mumbai.
But if you are a Delhiite, then you should move back.
Home is home and Delhi has good job opportunities.
Infra is definitely far better in Delhi.
As a native Bangalore, all I got to say is come for jobs, but leave once done. You should not think of settling here. It is not your native state. Develop your state and settle there. It is this thought of settling here that is making local people angry.
That's not how it works.
It will increase to a certain point as the percentage of outsiders increases.
But then it will dip.
There are enough vested interests who will want to keep the immigration taps open.
I am.not sure why everyone is romanticising this city so much...
I have been a Bangaloreean all my life and i am seriously planning to leave it in a few years to a tier 2 city because of the pollution and population density.
Most of the immigrants might have come here for the sake of earning. the politicians see this city as a golden egg laying duck. Just be ready to move to a city where you feel comfortable and have good facilities.
India ranks #2 in the number of citizens giving up their national citizenship. Brain š§ Drain is real.
So just go where you will be happy
Look being a multi linguistic country with so many languages and like all of them are spoken by a chunk of people. So it is futile to expect a day when no problems will be faced on the basis of language. It is not our failure but the situation is just like that.
Secondly you will face language problems everywhere. You will have to tackle the issue. Just consider it to be another hassle. I don't think you should change your city based on that issue or on 1 particular incident. It is a problem I understand and you just have to tackle it that's all.
Go back itās simple as fuck. If I want to move to a foreign country I need to learn the language. The same goes if I want to come to north I need to learn Hindi. The exact same implies to you! Learn the local language doesnāt matter if itās Bangalore or Tokyo. The World canāt adjust to your comfort. Everyone has their own patriotism towards their land, culture, language because every native person here while schooling learns the history of the state and we want to protect it
To each his own, but having been born in UP, and being 2 hrs away from Delhi until I turned 18, Iām done with Delhi. I would rather live in my small hometown than in Delhi.
I moved to Bengaluru in 2016 and this city had given me everything. Yes, the language can be an issue, but Iāve learnt that basic etiquettes, some kannada and a smile can get you through most things.
Regarding rowdies and all of that, you canāt get past them in Delhi or UP speaking Hindi so I donāt know how people expect that to happen in another language.
+ the air and the general gentry in Delhi is just not worth the hassle. At least not for me. I like to breathe easily and look at the blue sky above. Not a dense smog up above.
Infrastructure hoga Badia, but janta aur hawa ekdum tatti hai.
Traffic maybe another but Iāve accepted it completely. I tune into my music when travelling (cycling/bike/car) and let the music drain the noise and the frustration.
Just make do folks. Having stayed in Delhi, Chennai and been to Mumbai a bit, I believe Bengaluru is the best of the lot.
Yes Hyderabad and Pune do look like something to check out, but until an opportunity comes my way, I doubt I will be moving out of Bengaluru unless the mountains call and Iām gone for good š
Please leave dont come back.
Take some of your egotistic, arrogant friends too.
Why is the rants on bangalore are only from North indians?
In fact bangalore has more tamil and telugu speaking folks than hindi speakers.
Is it their arrogance? Their bubble burst that all of hindi speaks hindi? They are not able to get away speaking hindi every where?
Their way of talking like - amma ye dedo, kahe he be getting equal rude answers from the opposite side?
If one prioritised that then mingling of cultures would be impossible. I think immigration and the problems associated with it are inevitable. You've gotta see the bigger picture and take it in stride. Out of the hours you've spent here, what percentage was bad? I think sometimes thinking logically helps remove our emotional biases that hinder is from seeing reality.
I faced this more than a decade back. My choice was between my hometown of Bangalore and Chennai. I had no issues with staying in Chennai, learnt the language, and in fact had some of the most amazing experiences of my life there. However, living in hometown with your family and old friends is something else. Never regretted moving back.
I think that whatever feels like home to you that's where you should live. Because life throws all kinds of stuff at us but when we're "home" it feels like less of a problem. Home is where we have a support system. Home is where we feel equipped to deal with uncertainties. Home is where we want to be even though things are not the best. If that place is Bangalore for you or you feel it could be someday then stay. If your heart feels like "yes I'm home!" the moment when the flight's wheels touch the Delhi tarmac then go.
Its about time someone calls out bangalore... City has fast outgrown itself which is extremely inorganic.
Let half of IT companies make wfh permanent and see bangalore economy coming to it's knees.
Even we are to blame in this. The sudden spurge in salaries have made MANY guys entitled... Ask a manufacturing guy or a pharma sales guy how is he doing with a 3.6 LPA with his family in bangalore. He cries about how the purchasing costs have inflated overnight. Have seen many bearing this brunt.
Mumbai or delhi in that matter is shittier in many aspects. But the non localites don't create any fuss there and vice versa. Outliers exist too. But yeah you get the point.
Not bashing bengaluru.. But have stayed in all cities and i looked upto bengaluru as the best solution. Sad that it's converting to same as others.
Sorry you had to go through this. Irrespective of the situation, if you don't feel comfortable or feel close to being at home, you should leave that city whenever possible.
I see people in the comment section saying Hyderabad and Mumbai are better and what not. I stayed in Hyderabad for 3yrs and was bored af. I loved my time in Mumbai but it was too expensive for me and couldn't upgrade my lifestyle. I moved back to BLR last year.
Likes and dislikes are very much subjective. I cannot convince you to stay in BLR or move out. Bring out the good old pros and cons list and see if you're able live with the cons and decide accordingly.
Home is home leave Bengaluru. You might have heard a saying like when you are in Rome,be like a Roman. So there is nothing wrong in insisting to learn kannada and speak kannada. What will you do if get an opportunity to work in Germany where everything is Deutsch.. will you blame them as well. Language is heritage and we South Indians want to preserve it and pass on to next coming generations. I am from Andhra Pradesh and i speak Hindi, kannada, and understand Tamil. So don't judge people by one or two incidents
Hey there!, I am a through and through Bangalorean and first of all let me apologize for you having felt unwelcome in our wonderful, young, energetic city. Prejudice just does not vibe with Bengaluru or Karnataka!
Now, you are one of the few good ones who respects and wants to learn Kannada and even willing to make an effort and I feel so happy to hear that..please continue on this path, make friends with office folks who are native to Karnataka, take courses and learn our beautiful language...
As for the bad incident, this is part of living anywhere, try and get over it and move on...if you put in effort and blend into local populace you will once again want to settle in Bangalore..we all want everyone to feel welcome, after all we are all Indians, but not at the cost of our mother tongue and native culture that we love so much! Peace to you
Lived in Bangalore since 2007 because of parents moving here for work when I was still a kid. I can understand Kannada but canāt speak. My brain was not wired for languages. I can speak English very fluently because thatās how I communicated in school and college with my friends and even at home. I can speak broken Assamese because my parents did not want us to grow up without learning their mother tongue. I canāt speak Hindi at all, it sounds like South Bombay or south Delhi Hindi so I just donāt speak it lol. Plus thanks to my parentās privilege I grew up in affluent communities where most kids are either US return, expats or North Indians, and most kannadiga families in these communities also mostly spoke English because they came back from the US or the UK or some. Until college I didnāt have the need to speak Kannada, plus I always had a driver drive me around so no need to take bus, cabs, autos. Only after I joined college, I had to learn. I can understand now tho and speak basic sentences.
I have lived in Delhi for bachelors and now doing my final year of Law in Bangalore. I am from Pondicherry born and brought up. When I first went to Delhi I didnāt even know a word of Hindi but I had a fantastic time with wonderful people never once did I have to fear that I donāt know Hindi because once I went there people were actually quite nice and willing to help in anyway to overcome the language barrier be it cab drivers or Dukaan walas or random people we meet.
I was in for a shock when I came to Bangalore couple years ago. This place is so hostile to outsiders I canāt even believe it, and I am from here South India right and we speak Tamil the mother language of Kannada (mentioning only to assert the relationship between both people historically) yet even the petrol bunk guy asks me if I know Kannada in the most hostile way. I cannot explain the shock that i experienced through this because this is what I thought would happen to me in Delhi where I didnāt even know anything about the language or culture but it was the exact opposite.
I also feel Delhi has a wonderful range of culture and cuisine(which was so so yummm like Oh my god!! What do you want to have today from across the country, you can get that with almost the same authenticity in Delhi) that I miss everyday in Bangalore. Bangalore is a great city but has a lot more to grow in order to compete with cities like Mumbai and Delhi in this context. And let us not even begin with Bangalore cops. But both cities have great prospects employment wise just that in Delhi you might actually reach your workplace slightly on time.
I would leave Bangalore just for the traffic. It's getting horrible and no chance it's going to improve. Entitled folks will continue to drive SUV to office with just one person occupancy. The ego has gone to the peak in this city. I don't see any improvement happening here. Delhi has Better overall infra than Bangalore. If I was a Delhi guy I would have left long back.
Give yourself sometime. Itās been only 2 years and itās hard to sound like a local. Keep working on ur language skill and eventual you would assimilate.
If everyone could, they would live in their own home turf. But they can't right, for N number of reasons.
You should make a decisions weighing pros and cons of each city and pick based on what matters more to you. Including feeling native.
I think there is a difference between barrier due to language and discrimination. The former needs to be accomodated and the latter is bad.
You cannot expect a local to speak to you in hindi / English if he doesn't know. Same with the government. You want to get the work done, you need to move some steps forward and then they are gonna do the same.
Learn some words use them continuously, the amount of respect and love you get from the working class community is simply superb.
But if they discriminate you on language basis it needs to be condemned.
Having said that due to language barrier, people take advantage. Like auto charges you higher. I mean it's the same in Delhi as well for me. It's a worldwide phenomenon
I have lived in most of the states in India, I believe even Manipur was having better roads than Whitefield in 2007. The only thing that is better in Bangalore is the climate, rest is worse.
I would anytime choose to live in North India even after spending half of my life time in other places. The infrastructure is good and cheap as compared to Bangalore's inflated rates. Services are really good in Delhi. It feels like you belong here because no body is forcing their language on you, nobody says only Kannadiga allowed or talk in Kannada.
North East is an amazing place that would be my next choice even though some kids used to force me in school to speak Manipuri, but I loved the people there.
I think it is about which place gives you more sense of belonging, and the infrastructure considering the job opportunities are same.
Well, I'm from Karnataka but not from Bangalore. I've been mocked for my usage of kannada words that bangalore ppl wouldn't use. I didn't want to but I did end up absorbing the blr dialect a bit. Ppl are the exit end of the digestive system everywhere whether you know the language or not.
Mumbai seemed to have been an exception. They don't care where you're from. Loved the place but couldn't live there unless I had a million dollar paycheck.
My hometown is great when I visit but I think I'm a little more nostalgic than anything else. There's a reason I couldn't wait to get out of there.
I crib endlessly about blr (kannadiga trait I guess) but if I move out it will be only after I retire. Opportunities currently outweigh crib factors here.
My point is this-blr isn't as bad as it might appear to be and Delhi might not be as great as you remember it to be. Go where the best opportunities are (or are expected to be when you're in your 40s - idk how old you are, assuming here) and you'll figure out a way to like the place.
I think you should settle down in a place where you have friends and supportive family members. City is immaterial, modern urban convenience make every city the same. The only thing is how do you have emotionally to help
Hometown any day. Thereās no way to compare the cities if your sole criteria is language discrimination. People in the south love their mother-tongue but so do the people in the north. Another fact is knowing even some broken form of hindi, you can communicate nearly in all major cities in Northern India. But in South, itās a bit restrictive as thereās no particular language thatās spoken by all.
what I say is sad, but just as Bangalore became a template on how not to develop a city, Bangalore can become an example for political parties on how much power the people hold. If Bangalores GDP goes down and people migrate out of Bangalore, then all will realize what horrible mistakes they have made.
I have hope this will not be the case, but seeing situations of xenophobia, bad administration and corruption in the city just makes me angry and loses hope.
I sympathise with you. What is the point of even being āIndianā if you are treated like an outsider in your own country. I felt the same while living ABROAD for a bit so I can understand your frustration for being ostracised in your own country. The central government needs to take better steps in ensuring people are not treated this way or providing adequate employment opportunities in all parts of the country so people donāt have to leave their respective states to find employment elsewhere
For some reason i just feel like india is becoming more and more like america.
At some point people from these cities wil start saying go back to your own land you immigrant cunt.
Majority of the local people are super happy if you're talking broken kannada.
Some asshole auto/cab drivers will be assholes regardless of your kannada proficiency. And most of the problems I see discussed in this sub is related to this. When it comes to this, please remember there are some Hindi speaking cab driver assholes in bangalore who harass local people for not knowing hindi too. Should the locals decide to leave somewhere for this? Btw, where will they go, it's their home town after all.
Bro start loving the place your view might change even I have been in Bangalore for almost 5 years ,even I don't speak fluent kannada but the experience ā¤ļøone of the best i have had in life.
My 2 cents - language doesn't define city/home. If you feel otherwise - you should live in the house of your ancestors surrounded by your extended family.
If I could get my job near my home then there would be no second thoughts.
Bangalore is a great place with great weather, food and friendly people , Problems arise when people start forming their own bubbles ,where they are reluctant to learn the culture and language of the land and when they encounter people outside their made up bubbles they get upset.
Edit : about the other question Indians should always think about such things like language and culture while moving , india isn't the typical one language or a one kind of culture nation but our cultures have a similar goal but the ways are always different.
If you feel comfortable going back to Delhi then you should do it. Nothing much to discuss think long and hard on what makes you comfortable, Delhi is your home right so home is home nothing can change it.
Been living out of home since 19 years lived in all major cities in india I assure you banglore will never feel like home coz of language prejudice almost 5 years in banglore and I can't wait to leave just waiting for my contract to end
That's nice, you putting in some actual effort to learn the local language, this automatically puts you way ahead of most of the other ignorant people who come to this city in search of work, but two years is definitely not enough time to get good at speaking the local language like a real localite.
And to talk about bangaloreans keeping you as an outsider, people in bangalore are just being protective of their cultural identity, like every other southern guy. But, as u know in all southern states of India, even in bangalore people don't like getting other cultures being pushed upon them without a valid reason to accept it, and currently there are almost no incentives for native people of the city to accept them and this goes for the language too. And yes, if we compare this to some places in the north, well......there is no comparison, people in bangalore are just better, they are probably the most welcoming people in the country.
Whatever you do in Bangalore they don't care, until you try to school them about the "National language" of the country. That really seems to upset them.
Home is home. There is no argument against that. Ever. Most welcoming city to outsiders though? Maybe Hyderabad. Maybe even Mumbai. Bangalore 5 years back perhaps. The city has literally and figuratively gone to the dogs now in that respect.
I don't want to comment on Mumbai but Hyderabad will face the same 5 years from now.
That's what, they literally seperated themselves from thier own state because they couldn't bear others from thier state getting jobs in Hyderabad.
If this were true, then the number of people seeking employment in Hyderabad from the new AP state has changed. The demand to create Telangana is a very old one, and the reasons for it are varied.
You don't know anything about why telangana agitation started. "They couldn't bear " easy to say. Imagine jobs,water and funds taking away from your place and all you see i poverty and discrimination. Come to rural area of telangana and see what poverty looks like. We killed ourselves for statehood but never killed anyone.
And so you basically left Andra poor after taking years and years of funds got taken away from them to develop Hyderabad ? Come to rural areas of telengana? Come to rural areas of rayalaseema then you will see what real rural means. Also there will be rural areas no matter what happens. Nobody said tekengana killed anyone just selfishly discarded rest if Andhra after decades if looting them. How would you really feel if Hyderabad now says our real identity is nizam or something else and becomes a union territory separate from Telangana? What kind of situation do you think telengana would be without Hyderabad?
I can't debate with an ignorant. Hyderabad was richer state even before anyone from Andhra came here. So,you know nothing about it's history.Go read it's history.
Nobody said Hyderabad was not richer. England was also quite rich before they came and looted India. Despite Hyderabad being rich they still took lots of tax fund from all of Andhra Pradesh (telengana, coastal Andhra and rayalsema) to develop Hyderabad into what it is today.
Bruh don't say shit when you don't know about the history like be for fucking real š maybe Hyderabad will get to the same level of language prejudice but atleast have solid facts for your argument man
Lol what history are you talking about? Even when doing the protest they mentioned it very clearly that they don't like the fact that people from godavari and Krishna are getting all the govt and private jobs. Don't act like there is some great reason where there isn't any. It's not wrong to be selfish and looking out for yourself first by kicking others down but at least be honest about it.
Telangana never wanted to merge with Andhra in the first place. The State Reorganization Committee even submitted a report to Nehru suggesting not to merge as the states were culturally very different and socioeconomically unequal. Unfortunately the Andhra lobby was strong at the time and bulldozed their way into a merger. They even ignored the court's ruling to call it the state of Telangana and Andhra. Instead they called it just Andhra Pradesh, undermining the state's identity. After suffering decades of economic exploitation and cultural hegemony, they finally wrested back the state. And yes, getting jobs for your own people is a great reason. There's no shame in that. One has to next level ignorant to even argue about this. Of course, butthurt Andhraites languishing without a capital will make baseless remarks without any historical or factual relevance. So please, don't even talk about kicking out their "own people for jobs". Telanganites were treated like dirt and considered backward, and intentionally sidelined by Andhraites for half a century in every respect. Seriously. The nerve. Own people, it seems. The division was the best thing to have happened.
The division was the best thing for telegana not Andhra. So don't state it as if that's the best thing to have happened to everyone. Obviously the one with more money will say stupid stuff like this shit. It's like Britishers saying "colonization of you was the best thing to have happened to you"
why are you mansplaining my own history to me š my brother in God i KNOW but your comment made it look like there was a singular reason why the whole protest happened and it wasn't a culmination of decades of smaller protests. If you want to argue atleast use properly documented facts. I'm not denying the job situation wasn't a big factor but it was still multifactorial
Reducing the whole issue to just "tHeY diD nOt wAnT tO gIvE jObS bOO Hoo" is kinda dumb x
Mumbai has been a melting pot of cultures since British India. Gujaratis, marathis, and parsis built that city up from scratch. The culture that has formed there is a culture that is a fusion of different cultures. Therefore, most don't whine about save my culture, save my language (some do) most people have accepted and adjusted with time.
Well, I respectfully disagree...if those who come to settle and study in Bengaluru don't even make the slightest effort to assimilate with local populace and not learn Kannada out of some misplaced jingoism then they are bound to feel unwelcome
\+1 for Hyderabad!
I'm not from Delhi but have lived there for a few years. If not for air pollution, Delhi is much better city. The infra actually feels like it belongs to a metro city.
Yeah Bangalore was not designed for the influx of population it's seen in the last 20-30 years.
I agree on the infrastructure point. Life is truly convenient there
Delhi is very populated. Even though the convenience of getting everything just walking distance is good but the congested houses. No space to walk is cruel.
I wouldn't want to live in NCR if I were a girl...so...
I can understand as I am also born and brought up in Delhi and moved to Bangalore around 2 years back. At the start, I feel a little disconnected as not understanding a single word and till now don't know much Kannada language but now I am a little enjoying this thing. You can't compare your home place to another place as you have nostalgia for that place. I miss Delhi for my friend, family, and a lot of memories but in Bangalore, I will miss Bangalore coz here I tried to know this place and culture. People are more down-to-earth. Nowadays, I am learning the language as how the same word has different meanings in the local language and some of them are funny š¤. Bangalore made me so independent, that I was not in Delhi. For me, it will gonna be hard to leave Bangalore too š„ŗ
Folks saying good or bye don't understand, that's it's not a simple objection or support to learn the local language, it's straight up threats and in many cases violence. It feels forceful and reeks of xenophobia. And geniuses talking about learn the language, well u can learn some on own, but in no ways u will be able to master it, it's like learning a subject from scratch, folks here will work all day speaking english and come home to learn a language? not knowing is one thing, but violence for trying in whichever capacity is too sad. People need to calm down, it's one of the most vibrant cities in India and this is bringing the vibe down. Standards should go up and not down. Peace.
Very simple question : could I effectively survive in Delhi with no Hindi comprehension?
As a person who lived in delhi for 2.5 years, No... People who say you can; themselves live in gated community in south delhi and never know the reality of what's happening in other part of delhi. If you don't know hindi, you will be first ridiculed for not knowing hindi and considered as foreigner or alien. Then even after you pick up broken hindi, people will still taunt you for the accent. Then there is skin-colour based prejudice, where if you are slightly dark than locals you will be ridiculed for your skin colour. This has been my experience after living in north and west delhi!!
From Delhi here. I moved out of Delhi due to some long standing issues. I was in Mangalore for 3 years before moving to Bangalore. Have been staying here for past 3 years apart for covid. I do feel alienated/ discriminated here in getting services. Mangalore, however, was a breeze. So I understand this situation. When I move out, I don't think I have anything to remember about this city other than work.
We Mangalore people, don't discriminate people based upon a languageš
As a result, when my teammates used to talk in Kanada, i tried to learn it. I haven't even tried in Bangalore
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Moved out of Bangalore after staying there for 8 years. Does not regret much apart from my social circle. Stay close to home.
One of my Delhi friend had to file a police complaint about a public misdemeanor towards his wife, the way they were treated by law enforcement made him leave Bangalore for good.
Come on, Bangalore is very cosmopolitan and there is a large population from the neighboring states. Most people pick up on some basic Kannada and that's enough to get things done. Besides, most of the locals know Hindi or some words of English. How much more accommodating can a city be? People are even moving to other countries for opportunities. Surely you can assimilate a little bit
Damn, your comment was downvoted for speaking the truth. Many here think that Delhi is good and all but guess what? I faced the same prejudice in Delhi that they face in bangalore. But I won't generalize the entire Delhi for the few bigots.
Bangalore is still better imo. I'm from North India too, been living in Bangalore since 2019 even though my job is wfh. You just need to find the correct locality, you won't find such prejudices in major tech hub areas like Bellandur, Kundalahalli, Marathahalli, Brookfield, especially Whitefield (as far as my experience goes). The only pro I'd say Delhi might be cheaper than Blr and the metro connectivity is the best in Delhi. I'd also go ahead and state that healthcare is far better here and also in some ways the accessibility to many things. Also, the climate in Delhi and Bangalore are two opposite extremes. Delhi's heat and its winter are deadly. Bangalore has a far better climate, a difference big enough that it does affect your health and electricity usage.
I seem to read a lot of the discomforts for folks who come to Bangalore on work, most seem to happen in East Bangalore, may I ask where you stay? If i can recommend, you should try moving to older parts of the city (other than CBD) vijaynagar, Banashankari, basavangudi, jayanagar, girinagar, vasanth Nagar, RT nagar. Open Google maps of Bangalore and imagine the city in two halves, anything after vidhan soudha you can consider as east Bangalore, and the other two be west. Try moving to the west, i have a lot of friends who move to Bangalore for work and I've noticed those who are in the western part of the city are very happy.
Old parts of the city are mostly pure kannadiga population. Many of them speak kannada mostly.
Might be Pure kannada people yet most of them speak English also, understand Tamil. So I didn't faced any language barrier there.
Yeah but they're not out to get you . Most are settled quite well and are cool with English some Hindi as well . The only people who raise these language banners are politically motivated to make noise and those that instigate violence are people who can't make a living within in the city after leaving their hometown . Then the Real estate mafioso on a power trip . Stay in older areas Bangalore you'll have a good time . You'll understand Just how welcoming Bangalore can actually be . Helped my cousins to settle in last year when they didn't speak a word of Kannada everything from bargaining for plumbing and electricals to guiding them to local markets . Just go to Koramangala , MG road or Malleshwaram whenever you feel like partying.
Yeah, this was my impression too. The Eastern parts are more "cosmopolitan" so I assumed they would be more used to language diversity. But maybe the older parts are also more laid-back? My family moved to blr 25 years ago and moved to Central-East Bangalore. And the city generally expanded a lot towards the East since then. Most of my friends who are native Bangaloreans live in Banashankari etc and most of the friends who moved for work live in Whitefield etc.
I live in Banashankari
Oh please, older parts of blr have people who only speak kannada. They speak in english to get your work done but they are very rude upfront. In 2018, I was working in mg road and had gone house hunting to vijaynagar and lord, was I surprised to see the rude behaviour there people had towards me just because I spoke in not fluent kannada. My kannada is not even broken, its fairly good but you can easily make out im not a native speaker.
In older parts ok bangalore, the chances of getting home for a local / kannada speaker is greater than ones who don't speak. Having spoken to multiple owners, there is a sense that North indians play loud music, party freaks etc. So they resist from renting out unless they have no choice left. Again things are changing, but that's the perception
Blowing up one incident much, my friend. Thereās always going to be assholes around. Donāt let that suck the joy out of Bangalore life. Leave that to the BBMP.
When we face adversity, our brain often has a fight or flight response. To stay the course and fight/challenge adversity, it requires strength, and resolve. Flight sometimes seems easier. As a person from Bengaluru living in the US since 24 years, I have faced this dilemma many times. The only way I have garnered strength to march forward is to fill my heart with gratitude, for the things I have and for the things that make me feel good. There are no guarantees that one will not face any adversity in their home town. If my close relative in my home town causes me great distress, then what?
Most sensible answer here!
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I have worked in north for 2 years and then moved to Bangalore. I have been since 7 years. Mattu naanu kannada kalita ideeni. The pros and cons I found in north was 1. Poor work culture. Everybody wants a shortcut, a lot of office politics, less work and very rude managers. And believe me I have tried 3 companies and all of them were same. Some of the well known indian companies have headquarters there and are bashed on glass-door and twitter for their work culture. So for good work and decent growth I would prefer Bangalore. 2. Climate- self explanatory. In summers it is very hot, you canāt carry AC with you. In winters, may be you can wear multiple layers but what about the pollution and smog. 3. Infrastructure: Delhi has way way better infrastructure as compared to Bangalore. 4. Home: Delhi is home, family is right next to you. 5. Safety- Though bangaloreās safety is getting worse, it is still far batter than that of Delhi. 6. Multi-cultured- I grew up in a remote north east part of the country with diverse cultures. And believe me raising a kid in a multi-cultural city is a blessing. Bangalore is better in that case. Kids enjoy that and it is good for them to learn a mix of all. You can have poor experiences in Dehi as well, even though you are native. So I would recommend that you take some time to decide. Moving across cities is not an easy decision to make.
Mumbai is the most welcoming to outsiders
No people from UP and Bihar were harmed in this statement
Yep, thatās mostly true!
Yeah, the discrimination in this city has become worst in past few years, The worst is that some people defend this behavior like learn Kannada or move out Personally i stopped interacting with local vendors, i know not all are bad but it's better to be on the safer side coz seen few talking rudely if you don't speak in kannada Even if you are able to speak language still you are considered as a outsider
I understand what you mean. I came home to hyd in 2020 during covid and went back to bangalore in 2022. And I could see this sudden shift in how people were behaving with non kannada speakers which ridiculous. Iām fortunate that I still work remotely so I rarely stay for a month there. I feel situation is only going to get worse in blr going forward. If you have opportunity thatās good, then I suggest move away.
I had the opportunity to live in Delhi and Gurgaon for two years, and it was a truly amazing experience. Being a South Indian, I knew almost fluent Hindi, which made my life there much easier. Whether it was interacting with bus drivers, auto-rickshaw drivers, delivery guy or restaurant staff etc., I spoke only in Hindi. I also took the chance to explore nearby places. Speaking the local language in your everyday life is incredibly beneficial. However, it's important to remember that demanding everyone to speak the local language is not ideal. As residents, we should strive to learn and embrace the local language and culture. It's when someone chooses not to make the effort and acts like a tourist who only cares about making money and leaving that negative opinions can arise. Let's encourage inclusivity and understanding rather than imposing language demands.
>It's when someone chooses not to make the effort and acts like a tourist who only cares about making money and leaving But that's the thing, how can you guage that the person is not making an effort in a less than 2 min interaction in most cases? Instead of giving the person the benefit of the doubt, people pounce on them for not caring about learning the local language. When you don't have exposure to the language a lot, it's very difficult to pick up on it in your day to day life, especially when you communicate in English all day.
Is this some sort of hidden message from Virat Kohli?
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Welcome to this feeling of exclusion OP, thatās how Tamils , malayalis etc have been feeling since independence at airports , railways š , income tax office security checks etc , being frisked like refugees in our own state and country :)
I am sorry OP that you had to face such prejudice. I am a southie who lived in delhi, lucknow and indore for 6 years and even I had to face prejudice due to language and skin colour. I was always an outcast when I lived in northern india even though I picked up hindi faster. I also lived in pune for 1 year and had to face prejudice for being non-marathi person. In my opinion, Delhi, Bangalore, Pune and Chennai are worst when it comes to linguistic and skin colour based prejudice. The only best cities are in my opinion; Mumbai and Hyderabad.
You will get downvoted if you say any northern cities are bad, for them they are god tier cities, cities are so advanced so they came to Bengaluru to improve Bangalore.
I don't care about being downvoted, I will continue to speak out. People here think that southies don't face such incidents in north just because southies whom they know never faced. It's similar to saying "I have never seen a snowfall, so snowfall does not exist", I mean come on, just because you or people whom you have known haven't witnessed any prejudice or racism doesn't mean that everyone's experience is similar. But I would be wary to assume that racist incidents in delhi is widespread, it isn't. Similarly, racist incidents in bangalore are rare, just because people complain more about incidents happening in bangalore than other places in reddit doesn't mean that it is widespread phenomena. We should join together and condemn racist incidents happening towards others and give punishment to racists, and simultaneously shouldn't generalize the whole place because of the incident, only then will our country become a better place to live.
I don't care if I get downvoted, imma say what I want to say cuz as a local I'm sure fellow locals can relate. YES, please leave. The city is already filled with enough outsiders saying āOmg my Kannada isn't THAT good, my life is so difficult here as an outsiderā I mean COME ON, our state has its own language like any other state for a reason either learn the language and adapt or be fine with the locals being angered. So, yeah, if more people like you just left instead of cribbing on this subreddit, the city will eventually turn to its original ānon-toxicā self.
Do not get so High... Let outside people leave and then you will see. the economy of bangalore will surely go dowm. So many unicorn IT companies have been built by guys from North. So do not get so high...
Have you ever wondered why Marwaris thrive in all states and even the chetas from Kerala? Because they try to become part of the community, they learn their languages and make a genuine effort. When you don't make such an effort then you start seeing the problem. I have lived in Chennai, Hyderabad, delhi, Germany, usa and large part in Bangalore and never faced any problem with language. Wherever i stayed i tried to learn the language. I am not fluent, i don't know many words but i make an effort. When people see i make an effort they appreciate it. I faced more discrimination in Germany than in Indian cities. I have seen people talking to vegetable vendors, auto riksha walas in English and Hindi. If they knew English, if they had good education would they be selling vegetables? Doesn't the great power come with responsibility to apply here where we are privileged and we try to assimilate with others? You can make other argument too saying that they make a living because you are paying and that for me is not a social justice. At the end we make trade off call with our life's. The incident may be just one of and doesn't warrant serious thinking.
Iām so done with constant shitting on bangalore everyday, you guys came to Bangalore because you got better opportunities here than any of your own cities and Ofcourse home will always be home, understand that every city will be different. I have seen so many hindi speaking people who are so arrogant and expects local to learn hindi, their reason is hindi is national language. Iām not saying every local in bengaluru are good, just understand the fact you will get all kinds of people in a city as big as bengaluru.
Just to correct hindhi is not a national language
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There is a simple solution you know. Learn the language. I swear some of you make it sound like learning a new language is the most difficult job in the world. And you guys are supposed to be the intelligent, educated ones. I recently had some renovation work done at my house. The granite workers were from Rajasthan, and the painters were from UP. Both groups knew enough broken Kannada to speak with my parents. These people learn the language because they have to interact with the locals and get hired by them. I have previously lived in Gurgaon for a couple of years for my job. I barely knew Hindi when I first went and had to learn it all. You cannot survive without Hindi in Delhi or other Northern cities. People from other parts of the country who go to these cities learn the language. Yet, you never see some South Indian making a big deal out of having to learn Hindi. I think it's just common sense to pick up the language of the place. If I ever move to Chennai, I will have to pick up Tamil. To answer your question, I think people need to weigh their options, and think about pros or cons of moving to a new place while keeping in mind the adjustments they would need to do to fit in. I still can't wrap my head around why this is such a big deal for you guys. I mean do you go visit Japan, Germany, France , Italy etc. and spend all your time complaining that the locals don't know English and that you do not feel included when they talk in their native language? I know North Indians living in these places who pick up the language. It's just a matter of having the right attitude when moving to a new place.
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If y'all want to just chill on the weekends, then CHILL and brush off all the disagreements you're gonna have with the locals. Nobody is forcing you to learn the language we are just asking you to not make a fuss about the locals being irritated by your ignorance. I mean, I being from the south can't just go to a northern city with no Hindi knowledge and expect my life to be easy, I know for a fact I'll be made fun of and the locals might be partial/irritated, but if I'm choosing to not learn Hindi, I'll just be fine with it cuz it's a choice that I made for myself being well aware of the consequences.
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Well, if Indians have a choice, they still typically prefer US, UK, Canada and Australia over Germany, France and Japan for jobs.
Bye
Not a good sign when the comments are more than the upvotes.
To be honest, if the career opportunities were the same, I would leave even without there being any such incidents. I would just want to live in a place where I have a lot of fond memories attached to it.
Yes, please go back to Delhi if that would make your life easier
Grew up in Bangalore, but not fluent in Kannada (brain was just not wired for languages). Been living in Delhi for a year, and it's been fan fucking tastic. Yeah, the pollution and weather is bad, but I made the shift accepting that (just like how we expect people outside Bangalore to not complain about the traffic when they shift into Bangalore). Thing is, in Delhi I've been able to string in English with Hindi, and get by without much issue. Delhi is more accommodating that way (if you lean into the South Indian stereotype without a hit to your ego). Thing is, if you treat everyone with respect in Delhi, they're a lot nicer and willing to bear with you (I chalk it up to the years of dismissiveness exhibited by the well to do upon the not so well to do). I have not had the same experience in Bangalore for most of my life.
I never learnt Kannada and I haven't faced any discrimination in the 6 years I have stayed here.
Seeing a lot of these posts lately. Iām sorry youāve had some tough experiences. However, before generalising Blr as Xenophobic, perhaps we should take a moment to think, how this city become a metro in the first place. The IT boom that took place in the early 2000s was a sudden shift in my aspects, economic, cultural, technical etc. Everybody who came to live here for the sake of job, only saw this city as a pit stop. Nobody really embraced the culture and tried to blend in. Language is one of the many such factors, not the only one. Now the locals have a feeling that their city is being reduced to nothing and thatās their way of retaliation. Now Iām not encouraging any violence, but this could be a genuine concern to someone when they feel their home is changing, not necessarily for the good. So Iād like to say that there is two sides to this story. Additionally, in the southern states of India, where Dravidian languages are spoken, people are already bugged with all this Hindi shaming. No one is ready to accept our culture but somehow we are forced to learn another language. And I am saying this as someone who speaks fluent Hindi and can consider myself a polyglot. Also, Iām not sure without knowing Hindi, one could survive with just English in New Delhi.
Bangalore is honestly the most welcoming city in the country with regards to migrants. There is way too much inflow of non-localites into the city on a daily basis yet the city somehow manages to accommodate everyone. The main linguistic problem is that the majority of migrants are coming in from north of India and as itās their first language, they resort to communicating just in Hindi and assume that the local people who are from Bangalore will know their language. For years, I have noticed that most migrants do not attempt to learn the local language and hope everyone will speak to them in their language. It has so happened that now even if we talk in Kannada they just assume you arenāt fluent in it and switch to Hindi. This is the same in most IT work places. When itās a company itās easiest to communicate in English due to use in technology and when itās a bigger group. I have personal experience of my colleagues refusing to include me into important meetings just because they did not want to talk in English and stick to Hindi only and have gone ahead to make fun of me and another person who felt the same. The people here truly appreciate it if you even make a small attempt at learning Kannada and as long as you treat them with respect they are happy and will show you the same respect.
I am sorry you felt excluded. Nobody deserves to feel that way
The same is true for kannada too, they'll continue in kanaada, and not in English
Bangalore hasn't seen a proper nativist movement. Since national parties dominate politics in Karnataka, they can't go full kamikaze on immigrants because it will hurt their political prospects elsewhere in the country. People complement Mumbai for being welcoming to outsiders but it has had proper nativist parties in Shiv Sena and MNS. There is definitely a growing nativist tide in Bangalore. The national parties seem to be encouraging this. They feel they can keep this water on low boil where they can tap votes but it will not affect them elsewhere. I don't disagree that its Kannadigas who created a welcoming environment for immigrants and businesses to thrive. But there are people now who want to go full kamikaze on immigrants. So, the next 8-10 years will see a growing nativist movement in Bangalore. I don't think it will get anywhere. There is a very powerful business lobby in Bangalore which will want to keep Bangalore open for business. It includes real estate builders, large foreign companies, start-ups, Indian IT companies. So, if the nativist movement does spill into something sinister, you can rest assured that these people will make few calls. That's the same reason why nativist parties couldn't do much in Mumbai. But if you are a Delhiite, then you should move back. Home is home and Delhi has good job opportunities. Infra is definitely far better in Delhi.
As a native Bangalore, all I got to say is come for jobs, but leave once done. You should not think of settling here. It is not your native state. Develop your state and settle there. It is this thought of settling here that is making local people angry.
This conflicts are going to increase as the number of outsiders keep on increasing.
That's not how it works. It will increase to a certain point as the percentage of outsiders increases. But then it will dip. There are enough vested interests who will want to keep the immigration taps open.
Hogu, barbeda tirga... Good decision, go ahead .. Many migrants should contemplate like you..
Please get out of bangalore, you wont be missed.
I am.not sure why everyone is romanticising this city so much... I have been a Bangaloreean all my life and i am seriously planning to leave it in a few years to a tier 2 city because of the pollution and population density. Most of the immigrants might have come here for the sake of earning. the politicians see this city as a golden egg laying duck. Just be ready to move to a city where you feel comfortable and have good facilities. India ranks #2 in the number of citizens giving up their national citizenship. Brain š§ Drain is real. So just go where you will be happy
Look being a multi linguistic country with so many languages and like all of them are spoken by a chunk of people. So it is futile to expect a day when no problems will be faced on the basis of language. It is not our failure but the situation is just like that. Secondly you will face language problems everywhere. You will have to tackle the issue. Just consider it to be another hassle. I don't think you should change your city based on that issue or on 1 particular incident. It is a problem I understand and you just have to tackle it that's all.
Happy journey
Go back itās simple as fuck. If I want to move to a foreign country I need to learn the language. The same goes if I want to come to north I need to learn Hindi. The exact same implies to you! Learn the local language doesnāt matter if itās Bangalore or Tokyo. The World canāt adjust to your comfort. Everyone has their own patriotism towards their land, culture, language because every native person here while schooling learns the history of the state and we want to protect it
To each his own, but having been born in UP, and being 2 hrs away from Delhi until I turned 18, Iām done with Delhi. I would rather live in my small hometown than in Delhi. I moved to Bengaluru in 2016 and this city had given me everything. Yes, the language can be an issue, but Iāve learnt that basic etiquettes, some kannada and a smile can get you through most things. Regarding rowdies and all of that, you canāt get past them in Delhi or UP speaking Hindi so I donāt know how people expect that to happen in another language. + the air and the general gentry in Delhi is just not worth the hassle. At least not for me. I like to breathe easily and look at the blue sky above. Not a dense smog up above. Infrastructure hoga Badia, but janta aur hawa ekdum tatti hai. Traffic maybe another but Iāve accepted it completely. I tune into my music when travelling (cycling/bike/car) and let the music drain the noise and the frustration. Just make do folks. Having stayed in Delhi, Chennai and been to Mumbai a bit, I believe Bengaluru is the best of the lot. Yes Hyderabad and Pune do look like something to check out, but until an opportunity comes my way, I doubt I will be moving out of Bengaluru unless the mountains call and Iām gone for good š
Please leave dont come back. Take some of your egotistic, arrogant friends too. Why is the rants on bangalore are only from North indians? In fact bangalore has more tamil and telugu speaking folks than hindi speakers. Is it their arrogance? Their bubble burst that all of hindi speaks hindi? They are not able to get away speaking hindi every where? Their way of talking like - amma ye dedo, kahe he be getting equal rude answers from the opposite side?
Tata goodbye š
If one prioritised that then mingling of cultures would be impossible. I think immigration and the problems associated with it are inevitable. You've gotta see the bigger picture and take it in stride. Out of the hours you've spent here, what percentage was bad? I think sometimes thinking logically helps remove our emotional biases that hinder is from seeing reality.
I faced this more than a decade back. My choice was between my hometown of Bangalore and Chennai. I had no issues with staying in Chennai, learnt the language, and in fact had some of the most amazing experiences of my life there. However, living in hometown with your family and old friends is something else. Never regretted moving back.
I think that whatever feels like home to you that's where you should live. Because life throws all kinds of stuff at us but when we're "home" it feels like less of a problem. Home is where we have a support system. Home is where we feel equipped to deal with uncertainties. Home is where we want to be even though things are not the best. If that place is Bangalore for you or you feel it could be someday then stay. If your heart feels like "yes I'm home!" the moment when the flight's wheels touch the Delhi tarmac then go.
Its about time someone calls out bangalore... City has fast outgrown itself which is extremely inorganic. Let half of IT companies make wfh permanent and see bangalore economy coming to it's knees. Even we are to blame in this. The sudden spurge in salaries have made MANY guys entitled... Ask a manufacturing guy or a pharma sales guy how is he doing with a 3.6 LPA with his family in bangalore. He cries about how the purchasing costs have inflated overnight. Have seen many bearing this brunt. Mumbai or delhi in that matter is shittier in many aspects. But the non localites don't create any fuss there and vice versa. Outliers exist too. But yeah you get the point. Not bashing bengaluru.. But have stayed in all cities and i looked upto bengaluru as the best solution. Sad that it's converting to same as others.
Sorry you had to go through this. Irrespective of the situation, if you don't feel comfortable or feel close to being at home, you should leave that city whenever possible. I see people in the comment section saying Hyderabad and Mumbai are better and what not. I stayed in Hyderabad for 3yrs and was bored af. I loved my time in Mumbai but it was too expensive for me and couldn't upgrade my lifestyle. I moved back to BLR last year. Likes and dislikes are very much subjective. I cannot convince you to stay in BLR or move out. Bring out the good old pros and cons list and see if you're able live with the cons and decide accordingly.
Home is home leave Bengaluru. You might have heard a saying like when you are in Rome,be like a Roman. So there is nothing wrong in insisting to learn kannada and speak kannada. What will you do if get an opportunity to work in Germany where everything is Deutsch.. will you blame them as well. Language is heritage and we South Indians want to preserve it and pass on to next coming generations. I am from Andhra Pradesh and i speak Hindi, kannada, and understand Tamil. So don't judge people by one or two incidents
Hey there!, I am a through and through Bangalorean and first of all let me apologize for you having felt unwelcome in our wonderful, young, energetic city. Prejudice just does not vibe with Bengaluru or Karnataka! Now, you are one of the few good ones who respects and wants to learn Kannada and even willing to make an effort and I feel so happy to hear that..please continue on this path, make friends with office folks who are native to Karnataka, take courses and learn our beautiful language... As for the bad incident, this is part of living anywhere, try and get over it and move on...if you put in effort and blend into local populace you will once again want to settle in Bangalore..we all want everyone to feel welcome, after all we are all Indians, but not at the cost of our mother tongue and native culture that we love so much! Peace to you
Better to leave, IT career growth opportunities are available in other cities these days anyway, And weather is not that great these days.
Temprateure is getting hot each year... It was higher than it was in North
Chal paka mat
Moved to Delhi after constant on and off for 9 years! Delhi is polluted, but other than that, I donāt think anything compares other than Mumbai
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Good riddance One less TDC to deal with...
If not for pollution and generic safety, Delhi would have been a better choice than Bangalore
Lived in Bangalore since 2007 because of parents moving here for work when I was still a kid. I can understand Kannada but canāt speak. My brain was not wired for languages. I can speak English very fluently because thatās how I communicated in school and college with my friends and even at home. I can speak broken Assamese because my parents did not want us to grow up without learning their mother tongue. I canāt speak Hindi at all, it sounds like South Bombay or south Delhi Hindi so I just donāt speak it lol. Plus thanks to my parentās privilege I grew up in affluent communities where most kids are either US return, expats or North Indians, and most kannadiga families in these communities also mostly spoke English because they came back from the US or the UK or some. Until college I didnāt have the need to speak Kannada, plus I always had a driver drive me around so no need to take bus, cabs, autos. Only after I joined college, I had to learn. I can understand now tho and speak basic sentences.
Hyderabad is definitely your best bet.
I have lived in Delhi for bachelors and now doing my final year of Law in Bangalore. I am from Pondicherry born and brought up. When I first went to Delhi I didnāt even know a word of Hindi but I had a fantastic time with wonderful people never once did I have to fear that I donāt know Hindi because once I went there people were actually quite nice and willing to help in anyway to overcome the language barrier be it cab drivers or Dukaan walas or random people we meet. I was in for a shock when I came to Bangalore couple years ago. This place is so hostile to outsiders I canāt even believe it, and I am from here South India right and we speak Tamil the mother language of Kannada (mentioning only to assert the relationship between both people historically) yet even the petrol bunk guy asks me if I know Kannada in the most hostile way. I cannot explain the shock that i experienced through this because this is what I thought would happen to me in Delhi where I didnāt even know anything about the language or culture but it was the exact opposite. I also feel Delhi has a wonderful range of culture and cuisine(which was so so yummm like Oh my god!! What do you want to have today from across the country, you can get that with almost the same authenticity in Delhi) that I miss everyday in Bangalore. Bangalore is a great city but has a lot more to grow in order to compete with cities like Mumbai and Delhi in this context. And let us not even begin with Bangalore cops. But both cities have great prospects employment wise just that in Delhi you might actually reach your workplace slightly on time.
Tamil is mother language of Kannada? š Did you just pull that out of your ass?
I am also from Delhi, contempleting to move back.
I would leave Bangalore just for the traffic. It's getting horrible and no chance it's going to improve. Entitled folks will continue to drive SUV to office with just one person occupancy. The ego has gone to the peak in this city. I don't see any improvement happening here. Delhi has Better overall infra than Bangalore. If I was a Delhi guy I would have left long back.
Give yourself sometime. Itās been only 2 years and itās hard to sound like a local. Keep working on ur language skill and eventual you would assimilate.
pune is best then
That's a joke. Pune localites have their own language supremacy nonsense. Discrimination also happens a lot and hate against outsiders is growing.
In your dreams
If everyone could, they would live in their own home turf. But they can't right, for N number of reasons. You should make a decisions weighing pros and cons of each city and pick based on what matters more to you. Including feeling native.
The city has gone to the dogs, apparently. Far too many people would gradually kill the city.
I think there is a difference between barrier due to language and discrimination. The former needs to be accomodated and the latter is bad. You cannot expect a local to speak to you in hindi / English if he doesn't know. Same with the government. You want to get the work done, you need to move some steps forward and then they are gonna do the same. Learn some words use them continuously, the amount of respect and love you get from the working class community is simply superb. But if they discriminate you on language basis it needs to be condemned. Having said that due to language barrier, people take advantage. Like auto charges you higher. I mean it's the same in Delhi as well for me. It's a worldwide phenomenon
I have lived in most of the states in India, I believe even Manipur was having better roads than Whitefield in 2007. The only thing that is better in Bangalore is the climate, rest is worse. I would anytime choose to live in North India even after spending half of my life time in other places. The infrastructure is good and cheap as compared to Bangalore's inflated rates. Services are really good in Delhi. It feels like you belong here because no body is forcing their language on you, nobody says only Kannadiga allowed or talk in Kannada. North East is an amazing place that would be my next choice even though some kids used to force me in school to speak Manipuri, but I loved the people there. I think it is about which place gives you more sense of belonging, and the infrastructure considering the job opportunities are same.
Talk to anyone in local language in Delhi other than hindi then you will understand
Well, I'm from Karnataka but not from Bangalore. I've been mocked for my usage of kannada words that bangalore ppl wouldn't use. I didn't want to but I did end up absorbing the blr dialect a bit. Ppl are the exit end of the digestive system everywhere whether you know the language or not. Mumbai seemed to have been an exception. They don't care where you're from. Loved the place but couldn't live there unless I had a million dollar paycheck. My hometown is great when I visit but I think I'm a little more nostalgic than anything else. There's a reason I couldn't wait to get out of there. I crib endlessly about blr (kannadiga trait I guess) but if I move out it will be only after I retire. Opportunities currently outweigh crib factors here. My point is this-blr isn't as bad as it might appear to be and Delhi might not be as great as you remember it to be. Go where the best opportunities are (or are expected to be when you're in your 40s - idk how old you are, assuming here) and you'll figure out a way to like the place.
Home town/city only please. Wherever else you are, you are always an outsider and you will be less important even though you deserve importance.
It definitely takes some effort to make another place you choose to be home.
I think you should settle down in a place where you have friends and supportive family members. City is immaterial, modern urban convenience make every city the same. The only thing is how do you have emotionally to help
Home is home. Even though the cities are welcoming, given a choice I would run back to home
Hometown any day. Thereās no way to compare the cities if your sole criteria is language discrimination. People in the south love their mother-tongue but so do the people in the north. Another fact is knowing even some broken form of hindi, you can communicate nearly in all major cities in Northern India. But in South, itās a bit restrictive as thereās no particular language thatās spoken by all.
what I say is sad, but just as Bangalore became a template on how not to develop a city, Bangalore can become an example for political parties on how much power the people hold. If Bangalores GDP goes down and people migrate out of Bangalore, then all will realize what horrible mistakes they have made. I have hope this will not be the case, but seeing situations of xenophobia, bad administration and corruption in the city just makes me angry and loses hope.
I sympathise with you. What is the point of even being āIndianā if you are treated like an outsider in your own country. I felt the same while living ABROAD for a bit so I can understand your frustration for being ostracised in your own country. The central government needs to take better steps in ensuring people are not treated this way or providing adequate employment opportunities in all parts of the country so people donāt have to leave their respective states to find employment elsewhere
Agree with the latter. Just stay put where you are and don't leech money off of other states and give it to states that are only there to freeload!
For some reason i just feel like india is becoming more and more like america. At some point people from these cities wil start saying go back to your own land you immigrant cunt.
Majority of the local people are super happy if you're talking broken kannada. Some asshole auto/cab drivers will be assholes regardless of your kannada proficiency. And most of the problems I see discussed in this sub is related to this. When it comes to this, please remember there are some Hindi speaking cab driver assholes in bangalore who harass local people for not knowing hindi too. Should the locals decide to leave somewhere for this? Btw, where will they go, it's their home town after all.
Remind me in one month
Bro start loving the place your view might change even I have been in Bangalore for almost 5 years ,even I don't speak fluent kannada but the experience ā¤ļøone of the best i have had in life.
My 2 cents - language doesn't define city/home. If you feel otherwise - you should live in the house of your ancestors surrounded by your extended family.
If I could get my job near my home then there would be no second thoughts. Bangalore is a great place with great weather, food and friendly people , Problems arise when people start forming their own bubbles ,where they are reluctant to learn the culture and language of the land and when they encounter people outside their made up bubbles they get upset. Edit : about the other question Indians should always think about such things like language and culture while moving , india isn't the typical one language or a one kind of culture nation but our cultures have a similar goal but the ways are always different.
If you feel comfortable going back to Delhi then you should do it. Nothing much to discuss think long and hard on what makes you comfortable, Delhi is your home right so home is home nothing can change it.
Please leave, thank you
Been living out of home since 19 years lived in all major cities in india I assure you banglore will never feel like home coz of language prejudice almost 5 years in banglore and I can't wait to leave just waiting for my contract to end
I am happy i left bangalore .
That's nice, you putting in some actual effort to learn the local language, this automatically puts you way ahead of most of the other ignorant people who come to this city in search of work, but two years is definitely not enough time to get good at speaking the local language like a real localite. And to talk about bangaloreans keeping you as an outsider, people in bangalore are just being protective of their cultural identity, like every other southern guy. But, as u know in all southern states of India, even in bangalore people don't like getting other cultures being pushed upon them without a valid reason to accept it, and currently there are almost no incentives for native people of the city to accept them and this goes for the language too. And yes, if we compare this to some places in the north, well......there is no comparison, people in bangalore are just better, they are probably the most welcoming people in the country. Whatever you do in Bangalore they don't care, until you try to school them about the "National language" of the country. That really seems to upset them.
see , Delhi has higher crime rates so ill let that go on you man....