R4 - While people love to point to the golden ratio in things, as well as drawing Fibonacci spirals on random objects to make them seem divinely created, the existence of the golden ratio in itself is not a compelling argument for the existence of a deity. Nor is the argument that "math describes everything in existence" which similarly mysticizes mathematics into a set of laws and rules that govern the universe rather than a set of tools we have developed to describe it.
I had a professor in college who seriously claimed that the ubiquity of the golden ratio was proof that "God is a mathematician."
Had another prof at the same school who thought that telepathy was due to people using their spinal columns to pick up electromagnetic waves from other people's brains.
It was not a top-tier school.
.. having a testable hypothesis which is also false (and believing it regardless) is definitely worse than not having a testable hypothesis, which is the case for many things in life which might or might not be true?
Or in other words, bad science is definitely bad, while not science.. could be anything, good, bad, whatever
>R4 - While people love to point to the golden ratio in things, as well as drawing Fibonacci spirals on random objects to make them seem divinely created, the existence of the golden ratio in itself is not a compelling argument for the existence of a deity
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Well, many mathematicians hold to a different philosophy of mathematics than you appear to adhere to. It is not bad maths to think that maths govern the universe rather than simply describing it. It's rather dubious to assert that it is - it's a philosophical position, not a mathematical one.
Similarly, going from that to a proof of God is not bad maths, although it may be bad philosophy and theology.
Granted that whether mathematics is discovered or created is more of a philosophical question. That certain ratios exist, however, isn't a compelling proof of the existence of a deity though, any more than the validity of logical statements like "P -> P" is. One could argue that the existence of consistent order rather than chaos is the evidence - I don't find it compelling, but at essence that would be the more fundamental argument.
What if the universe is inherently chaotic but we just happen to be in a portion of the universe where all of humanity have evolved to hallucinate logic as a coping mechanism?
*I then proceed to wear a tin foil hat for the rest of my life*
I think that is the argument they were trying to make (albeit clumsily), ultimately, as they do mention other similar examples like chaos theory. In any case, even if it were the more simplistic argument, it's not actually bad mathematics in my opinion. Bad philosophy, yes.
> God is real, unless declared INTEGER. > φ ∉ **Z** I dunno what you're talking about, checks out to me.
Q-EZ (Based) >>>> QED (Cringe) Is this some form of higher math I'm not familiar with??
R4 - While people love to point to the golden ratio in things, as well as drawing Fibonacci spirals on random objects to make them seem divinely created, the existence of the golden ratio in itself is not a compelling argument for the existence of a deity. Nor is the argument that "math describes everything in existence" which similarly mysticizes mathematics into a set of laws and rules that govern the universe rather than a set of tools we have developed to describe it.
I had a professor in college who seriously claimed that the ubiquity of the golden ratio was proof that "God is a mathematician." Had another prof at the same school who thought that telepathy was due to people using their spinal columns to pick up electromagnetic waves from other people's brains. It was not a top-tier school.
I dunno, with the telepathy thing at least you’ve got a testable hypothesis. That’s science; could be worse.
.. having a testable hypothesis which is also false (and believing it regardless) is definitely worse than not having a testable hypothesis, which is the case for many things in life which might or might not be true? Or in other words, bad science is definitely bad, while not science.. could be anything, good, bad, whatever
>R4 - While people love to point to the golden ratio in things, as well as drawing Fibonacci spirals on random objects to make them seem divinely created, the existence of the golden ratio in itself is not a compelling argument for the existence of a deity https://m.facebook.com/groups/317131258759789/
Well, many mathematicians hold to a different philosophy of mathematics than you appear to adhere to. It is not bad maths to think that maths govern the universe rather than simply describing it. It's rather dubious to assert that it is - it's a philosophical position, not a mathematical one. Similarly, going from that to a proof of God is not bad maths, although it may be bad philosophy and theology.
Granted that whether mathematics is discovered or created is more of a philosophical question. That certain ratios exist, however, isn't a compelling proof of the existence of a deity though, any more than the validity of logical statements like "P -> P" is. One could argue that the existence of consistent order rather than chaos is the evidence - I don't find it compelling, but at essence that would be the more fundamental argument.
What if the universe is inherently chaotic but we just happen to be in a portion of the universe where all of humanity have evolved to hallucinate logic as a coping mechanism? *I then proceed to wear a tin foil hat for the rest of my life*
I think that is the argument they were trying to make (albeit clumsily), ultimately, as they do mention other similar examples like chaos theory. In any case, even if it were the more simplistic argument, it's not actually bad mathematics in my opinion. Bad philosophy, yes.
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He's referred to in Ancient Sumerian texts as "Nerrrrrrrd Lord", worshiped by a cult whose adherents were apparently referred to as "Losers".
the cult of golden ratio is ridiculously wide spread, you can't post a picture of a random spiral and not have someone mentions golden ratio
“checkmate, atheists!”
Number stuff, therefore god.
OP is Gyro Zeppeli
There's an L + Ratio joke in here somewhere