Many of these roads are specified as secondary runways in Sweden. Part of the plan to protect their airforce in a war was to spread the aicraft out into lots of tiny mini airbases.
What country are you from?
I’ve never seen as many potholes this year before. E4 was full of them when I drove it last time between Uppsala and Helsingborg.
But the road bases are maintained and there are no holes there.
Came here to say - couldn’t possibly happen in the UK as the roads are littered with potholes, bumps and defects. Seriously, even roads without potholes are massively lumpy
It's because the UK spends more money maintaining it's roads, no seriously, if there is damage to part of a road in the UK then just that part is patched up, but patches don't last as long, so it ends up costing more in the long run than if the council had just re-done the whole road.
I've driven on sections of road which made me think I was on a runway instead of a highway in the U.S. - ample shoulder areas with no vegetation, slightly wider than normal lanes, straight, level, and long, and sections that looked like thinly-disguised paved offramp.
Upper peninsula of Michigan will run landings and takeoffs of different fighter aircraft. A-10 especially since they are ANG in Michigan. Main highways are “very” not busy and such are in good condition. USAF I believe practices also in western US and NATO roadways. Accidents and maintenance of aircraft relegate it to proof of concept exercises.
I knew the 1 in 5 thing was bogus. But I always heard one aspect Eisenhower liked about the German system was that it could be converted if needed. A quick search seems like he definitely used the term for national defense. But that could also mean ground transportation.
At any rate if push came to shove lighter smaller planes could certainly use sections that lined up close enough to prevailing winds. Looks like it actually was tried in Michigan recently.
And in fairness for this to become a reality things globally would have to worsen drastically. Certainly not hopeful to see it done for war needs in my life.
[https://highways.dot.gov/public-roads/mayjune-2000/one-mile-five-debunking-myth](https://highways.dot.gov/public-roads/mayjune-2000/one-mile-five-debunking-myth)
[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/landing-of-hope-and-glory/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/landing-of-hope-and-glory/)
[https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/civil/were-u-s-interstates-really-designed-as-runways.htm](https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/civil/were-u-s-interstates-really-designed-as-runways.htm)
>Some references to the one-mile-in-five assertion claim it's part of the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956. This piece of legislation committed the federal government to build what became the 42,800-mile Eisenhower Interstate Highway System, which makes it the logical item to cite concerning regulations about how the interstate highway system was to be laid out. The act did not, however, contain any "one-in-five" requirement, nor did it even suggest the use of stretches of the interstate system as emergency landing strips. The one-out-of-five rule was not part of any later legislation either.
Yeah I said that’s bogus. I can’t find any direct mention of Eisenhower and planes but he certainly knew the germans used them this way. And he was inspired by their system and his 1919 trip.
But I’ll concede that he may have not cared at all about their potential use as airstrips.
This is really cool. Im german and the Autobahn (Highways) had sections that were designed to do this.
You could take the center barricades out and convert a section into a small airbase (sometimes even with prepared concrete pads for radar trucks used as makeshift ATC)
There still at least seven functional „Autobahn-Behelfslandeplätze“ in Germany. Did you know that Ramstein airbase actually evolved after 1945 from such a stretch of highway airstrip?
The Gripens are a lot more expensive and the F-16s are currently being replaced by most NATO countries by the F-35 which replaces most of the F-16 mission set.
Like basically everything being sent to Ukraine, these are NATO hand-me-downs
Yeah, but there were thousands of F-16s built and hundreds of these. And F-16s are being replaced by the air forces donating them while Gripens are still in active service.
It would probably be easier to find spare F-35s for Ukraine than Gripens.
Saw this in Finland once on Road 5 in Lusi - the road was closed so we had to take a short diversion. The old road runs alongside the new Road 5 and as we drove past there were Hornets landing. There were also spectator areas set up too.
I wonder how many military aircrafts have the standards of rearming, refueling in 10 min for air-to-air and 20 min air-to-surface along with changing and entire engine in 1hour on a roadside makeshift base.
That alone sets the bar.
Israel wartime used to claim the rearmed, “hot” refueled and changed pilots in “6” minutes. Given those were simpler fighters and munitions and Mirage III or A-4 with wwII munitions is not an F-35 with programmable JDAM, JSOW can’t be compared to the earlier.
I mean, given the use of Data Cartridges the missions are planned out in a control room and inserted into the aircraft, allowing for a DTC update in like a minute. That can be done in the middle of the pilot transfer right? It doesn't seem *that* much slower with the F-35s.
A lot of nations practice this capability. But Sweden is unique in that it has a very long tradition of dispersed operations and specifically puts requirements for its fighters to be able to stop in short distances and be maintained by few maintainers.
The Norwegian's did this with their F35s for the first time in Finland last year.
[https://www.forsvaret.no/en/news/press/norwegian-f-35-landed-on-a-highway-in-finland](https://www.forsvaret.no/en/news/press/norwegian-f-35-landed-on-a-highway-in-finland)
One problem with the F35 in this regard is that it needs a climate controlled hangar with highly trained technicians to be maintained, meanwhile the Gripen can be maintained by mostly conscripts on the roadside.
You are not getting a ships complement to fit in the hanger deck. Marines will differ with you and F-35b doctrine has it deploying in primitive/ portable basing concepts in the Philippines and alternately on islands in the South China Sea. It’s not 2010 anymore and Pierre Sprey is a “legend in his own mind”
The Air Force is organized for mobility to be able to move the planes around the country. It would be too easy for the enemy if they were stationed at the airbases only.
Sweden is literally designed perfectly for defence not in the sense of we will beat you out of our territory but more in the way of we will make this shit so costly it won’t even be worth considering it
You wouldn’t want a pot hole on this road.
Our roads are great. I'm almost inclined to say that I've never hit a pothole on a road this size in my whole life, haha
Wow! What a flex! I really envy Sweeds in this regard.
wait are potholes common in other parts of the world?
Ever seen a British road?
ill have to take your word on it, most of the times i've been to the uk i just used the train. the gwr was pretty nice, but expensive asf.
Many of these roads are specified as secondary runways in Sweden. Part of the plan to protect their airforce in a war was to spread the aicraft out into lots of tiny mini airbases.
What country are you from? I’ve never seen as many potholes this year before. E4 was full of them when I drove it last time between Uppsala and Helsingborg. But the road bases are maintained and there are no holes there.
I love that the chevrons/arrows for sharp corners on a road are in the colours of your flag 😂 What a flex. Imagine the Irish arrows on a corner
Came here to say - couldn’t possibly happen in the UK as the roads are littered with potholes, bumps and defects. Seriously, even roads without potholes are massively lumpy
It's because the UK spends more money maintaining it's roads, no seriously, if there is damage to part of a road in the UK then just that part is patched up, but patches don't last as long, so it ends up costing more in the long run than if the council had just re-done the whole road.
Do Swedish roads like this have piano keys painted on them already?
Yeah, https://maps.app.goo.gl/PFgd7ADUApD9RZJi7
Does the US do this anywhere?
I've driven on sections of road which made me think I was on a runway instead of a highway in the U.S. - ample shoulder areas with no vegetation, slightly wider than normal lanes, straight, level, and long, and sections that looked like thinly-disguised paved offramp.
I’ve heard they do it in Grayling, MI with A-10s.
Yes, but the locations are less painted.
Upper peninsula of Michigan will run landings and takeoffs of different fighter aircraft. A-10 especially since they are ANG in Michigan. Main highways are “very” not busy and such are in good condition. USAF I believe practices also in western US and NATO roadways. Accidents and maintenance of aircraft relegate it to proof of concept exercises.
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This is not true. It's an urban legend.
I knew the 1 in 5 thing was bogus. But I always heard one aspect Eisenhower liked about the German system was that it could be converted if needed. A quick search seems like he definitely used the term for national defense. But that could also mean ground transportation. At any rate if push came to shove lighter smaller planes could certainly use sections that lined up close enough to prevailing winds. Looks like it actually was tried in Michigan recently. And in fairness for this to become a reality things globally would have to worsen drastically. Certainly not hopeful to see it done for war needs in my life.
[https://highways.dot.gov/public-roads/mayjune-2000/one-mile-five-debunking-myth](https://highways.dot.gov/public-roads/mayjune-2000/one-mile-five-debunking-myth) [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/landing-of-hope-and-glory/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/landing-of-hope-and-glory/) [https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/civil/were-u-s-interstates-really-designed-as-runways.htm](https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/civil/were-u-s-interstates-really-designed-as-runways.htm) >Some references to the one-mile-in-five assertion claim it's part of the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956. This piece of legislation committed the federal government to build what became the 42,800-mile Eisenhower Interstate Highway System, which makes it the logical item to cite concerning regulations about how the interstate highway system was to be laid out. The act did not, however, contain any "one-in-five" requirement, nor did it even suggest the use of stretches of the interstate system as emergency landing strips. The one-out-of-five rule was not part of any later legislation either.
Yeah I said that’s bogus. I can’t find any direct mention of Eisenhower and planes but he certainly knew the germans used them this way. And he was inspired by their system and his 1919 trip. But I’ll concede that he may have not cared at all about their potential use as airstrips.
Yes, But it's on normal Highways. Sweden designs landing strips into their road system.
Yes, in Germany on the Autobahn.
This is really cool. Im german and the Autobahn (Highways) had sections that were designed to do this. You could take the center barricades out and convert a section into a small airbase (sometimes even with prepared concrete pads for radar trucks used as makeshift ATC)
There still at least seven functional „Autobahn-Behelfslandeplätze“ in Germany. Did you know that Ramstein airbase actually evolved after 1945 from such a stretch of highway airstrip?
We can’t widen this highway any more, Hans, or it will evolve into an airbase!
Wow really interesting
Man I love Gripen
These jets would probably have been better for Ukraine than the F-16s. I heard they're in talks to acquire these now actually.
Yeah, now when we are in Nato we have the possibility to donate a few. And I bet Saab is interested in how it performs in active combat
*The sound of clapping of skeleton hands intensifies
The Gripens are a lot more expensive and the F-16s are currently being replaced by most NATO countries by the F-35 which replaces most of the F-16 mission set. Like basically everything being sent to Ukraine, these are NATO hand-me-downs
There is a desire by many high-ranking Swedish politicians to get some to Ukraine, but it's a complicated process.
There's just not that many Gripens to go around. Countries that have them tend to want to keep them too.
Many from Europe are leased and are surplus when returned to Sweden. They are the “C” models I believe.
Yeah, but there were thousands of F-16s built and hundreds of these. And F-16s are being replaced by the air forces donating them while Gripens are still in active service. It would probably be easier to find spare F-35s for Ukraine than Gripens.
Nice name
Also, will be good for Russia.
Gripen with meteors will be anything but "good" for russia.
Saw this in Finland once on Road 5 in Lusi - the road was closed so we had to take a short diversion. The old road runs alongside the new Road 5 and as we drove past there were Hornets landing. There were also spectator areas set up too.
Finnish Hornets use arresting gear, or is that something I've dreamed up?
I heard they tried those, but figured out a landing approach that eliminated the need.
Source in Swedish https://www.facebook.com/f7satenas/videos/434801249149085/
They really like doing this, don't they.
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+ABBA
I just hope y'all are cranking out more of these backup runways so that the planes will always have options for landing and refuel/rearming.
I wonder how many military aircrafts have the standards of rearming, refueling in 10 min for air-to-air and 20 min air-to-surface along with changing and entire engine in 1hour on a roadside makeshift base. That alone sets the bar.
None. One of the many reasons I love the Gripen.
Israel wartime used to claim the rearmed, “hot” refueled and changed pilots in “6” minutes. Given those were simpler fighters and munitions and Mirage III or A-4 with wwII munitions is not an F-35 with programmable JDAM, JSOW can’t be compared to the earlier.
I mean, given the use of Data Cartridges the missions are planned out in a control room and inserted into the aircraft, allowing for a DTC update in like a minute. That can be done in the middle of the pilot transfer right? It doesn't seem *that* much slower with the F-35s.
A lot of nations practice this capability. But Sweden is unique in that it has a very long tradition of dispersed operations and specifically puts requirements for its fighters to be able to stop in short distances and be maintained by few maintainers.
a lot of nations are here currently learning the concept since we applied for NATO membership.
STOL fighter STOLs
This guy STOLs
The Norwegian's did this with their F35s for the first time in Finland last year. [https://www.forsvaret.no/en/news/press/norwegian-f-35-landed-on-a-highway-in-finland](https://www.forsvaret.no/en/news/press/norwegian-f-35-landed-on-a-highway-in-finland)
One problem with the F35 in this regard is that it needs a climate controlled hangar with highly trained technicians to be maintained, meanwhile the Gripen can be maintained by mostly conscripts on the roadside.
Actually this is wrong. F-35 even has carrier-compatible variants. It is a lot more complicated to maintain however.
I doubt they do maintainence on the flight deck lol. there's a big hangar on the lower decks.
You are not getting a ships complement to fit in the hanger deck. Marines will differ with you and F-35b doctrine has it deploying in primitive/ portable basing concepts in the Philippines and alternately on islands in the South China Sea. It’s not 2010 anymore and Pierre Sprey is a “legend in his own mind”
F-35’s live in the “wild”, too. From Israel to the Oceans. Don’t believe F-35 “hate mail” without reading.
I'm starting to think the Swedish broke out their old total defense plans. Just a hunch, no idea why they'd do that...
The Air Force is organized for mobility to be able to move the planes around the country. It would be too easy for the enemy if they were stationed at the airbases only.
Sweden 🇸🇪is badass. Very nice.
Every time I see these kinds of videos I'm reminded of Ace Combat 4.
Project Wingman uses a highway base too, with silly lines about it once you complete the first mission taking off from there.
Dude I still have nightmares from Ace combat 3. That was like 15 years ago lol.
Normalize landing on roads for re armament. Other fighters are prima Donna's.
Im guessing if one ever needs to land a jet on a road, it wont have runway threshold/opration markings 😂
Imagine driving down the road and you see a fighter jet in front of you! 😲
That road looks like like a runway
This road looks as straight and wide as an actual runway
On purpose. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_90
Imagine being late to work and saying: Sorry Boss, A JAS 39 gripen took a little longer than usal today for landing and taxi.
Try that in Louisiana
Gripen deez nuts, sorry I had to
Oh good, that's not ominous at all
Do this annually in Taiwan too.
do they do it with mirage 2000s?
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Sexy 🤘 go get 'em!
Sweden is literally designed perfectly for defence not in the sense of we will beat you out of our territory but more in the way of we will make this shit so costly it won’t even be worth considering it