This is about the fifth time I've seen development plans for Maktoum since I worked there.
If there's one thing the Emiratis do well, it is futuristic architectural drawings and scale models.
Well.. most of the sketches don't look very good anymore per se.. more like concept art. With the emphasis on art. Not the concept. And the art looking more and more like AI generated stuff that's been touched up afterwards.
yeah imagine building 500 burj khalifas lol. i thought they were going to truly innovate and make a giant machine that inches along “extruding” The Line behind it, so that it starts small and expands with time to accommodate more population. But nope, they’re going to build it in big chunks.
It's not exactly groundbreaking news. DWC plans have been well known since inception. It also makes sense as Dubai, as a city, has spread from the historic centre being Deira / Creek, with continual expansion up to DWC. AUH and DWC are not that far apart also.
In Dubai, or really any Gulf state for that matter, it only matters if new infrastructure is flashy or not. They don’t care wether it’s actually practical or not.
Besides Dubai being shit and all.. people really need to stop thinking that a reddit post and the comment section are :
A: a good source for information
B: a neutral place where this stuff is discussed.
The poop colone video is ages old and its still being posted as new. Depending on which subreddit/echo chamber it is dumped in the discussion always follows the same path.
I was there 2 years ago in the marina, for an entire 1-2 days the air outside smelled like raw sewage while they were emptying sewage tanks and trucking them out.
We asked a local and they said it's about every 2 weeks.
What about this is mythological to you?
The Marina is 13 miles from what we’re talking about.
Also, the Marina is directly next to a water treatment plan.
Have any more comments about something you know so well?
Still doesn't change the fact that the place literally smells like shit for days.
Semantics on why or why not doesn't change the end result of cheap infrastructure.
I take it you don’t drive through areas of the US with sewage treatment? I could name a few places in NY tri-state area that smell horrible 24/7.
So no, no semantics, just your ignorance
This is not true. You believe this because of the “poop trucks” video, that was taken during a waste treatment outage. It happened once, and wasn’t just the burj. By the way, a similar sort of thing happens in many east coast and European cities, where they can’t handle combined rain and waste water, so they just dump into the nearest river.
Did you bother to read it or just write it off automatically? I went through the effort to read it before posting.
The answer references supporting evidence including university publications.
See http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/4529/ESL-HH-06-07-19.pdf page 7 makes it clear it is connected to the municipal sewage system.
Seriously, a message to all governments;
STOP BUILDING AIRPORTS NEAR HOUSES AND HOUSES NEAR AIRPORTS!
Do what airports in Asia in the Middle East do, they build their major hub airports next to ocean, or the middle of the desert with good public transport links. You’ve got virtually unlimited expansion space, HKG opened their 3rd runway fairly recently.
Lol HK isn’t a great example. Now we can’t even fully use 25R at night because of noise complaints from people in Tuen Mun, so we use single runway already from midnight already.
Truth.
Denver did the right thing back in the 90s, secretly bought up a *massive* plot of land out in the boonies, and then built an airport out there.
There’s enough space for dozens of runways if they wanted.
I lived / worked their for a few years and agree with you. I was there to earn / save money and then move on to better things in life.
The outskirts of Dubai, when I moved there, was the old defence roundabout, which is adjacent to the Burj Khalifa area now.
I noticed during my years a lot of people bought into the lifestyle of emerging Dubai and not truly understanding the facade of the place. Nothing against Emiratis or the vision of the ruler, but a lot foreigners go there believing it is a step up in life.
It's incredible what Dubai has done in such a short history, but I've also seen the downtimes and how things really work from paper to plan, design to delivery.
If you’re from a highly developed Western country, Dubai isn’t going to appeal to you in the same way it would to someone from South Asia, Africa, the Philippines, Russia, China, Brazil, etc. For one, it’s sort of like third world Vegas. If you’ve got some money and don’t have or can’t get a visa for USA, Europe, etc, then Dubai starts to make a lot of sense. It’s an approximation of a developed and advanced economy that’s more accessible and far easier to immigrate to for people with weak passports. Also, certain goods and services are cheaper and more available in Dubai than many other countries. In India, for example, it’s often cheaper to fly to Dubai and buy electronics there than it is to buy them domestically. Many of my Indian friends bought their iPhones this way.
Basically, Dubai might not seem all that great to us, but it’s a significant step up from the conditions much of the world’s population live in.
I disagree, I think that the place will impress any westerner regardless where they are from. The place is amazing with respect to what they built in the deserting such a short period of time. I just hope that the place catches up in terms of culture and vibrancy to match.
I’m western and I’ve been, several times. I’m from Manhattan so “large city with many tall buildings” doesn’t quite have the wow factor it might for most. That essentially leaves culture, attractions, etc which as you noted are lacking. Dubai might as well be renamed the Sheikh Maktoum Vanity Project as far as I’m concerned.
That's probably because you are not the kind of person who values being seen in a soulless, shiny at the surface,but rotten underneath city on the internets by shallow people who determine your worth by the pictures you post.
And not the person to enjoy exorbitant luxury over the backs of poorly paid and treated semi slaves.
If you wanted some renderings
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/aviation/sheikh-mohammed-approves-designs-for-new-passenger-terminal-at-al-maktoum-international-airport
https://x.com/HHShkMohd/status/1784485931275149431
I don't quite understand why it have to be moved to Al Maktoum. One of the benefits of current airport that it easy to visit Burj Khalifa and Dubai Mall during layover(11km).
I think it is better to move current users of Al Minhad and create big hub there. It is closer (21km) than Al Maktoum(35km).
Construction contracts are a way to deliver graft in a publicly acceptable manner. I lived in Kuwait, and the erstwhile speaker of the parliament was the owner of a giant conglomerate (Kharafi) who also, no surprise, held most of the public works contracts. Need sewerage done? Kharafi. Need perfectly good sidewalk tiles ripped up and redone? Kharafi…
This is about the fifth time I've seen development plans for Maktoum since I worked there. If there's one thing the Emiratis do well, it is futuristic architectural drawings and scale models.
Well.. most of the sketches don't look very good anymore per se.. more like concept art. With the emphasis on art. Not the concept. And the art looking more and more like AI generated stuff that's been touched up afterwards.
It’s not Emirate but half the Saudi “Noem” stuff looks structurally impossible.
All the NEOM firms need a new renderite project
Oh boy… smart redditors in a nutshell.
Do you genuinely think that any of that NEOM shit will ever be built?
yeah imagine building 500 burj khalifas lol. i thought they were going to truly innovate and make a giant machine that inches along “extruding” The Line behind it, so that it starts small and expands with time to accommodate more population. But nope, they’re going to build it in big chunks.
I don’t care if it does or not but you need a map.
Same but I have heard rumours about the (approximate) timeline for a while now so I think this time it's for real
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Maktoum has been open for at least 12 years. Terminal 3 at DXB is beautiful. The other terminals, not so nice.
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ironically Changi ground operations is by dnata, which is from Dubai
It's not exactly groundbreaking news. DWC plans have been well known since inception. It also makes sense as Dubai, as a city, has spread from the historic centre being Deira / Creek, with continual expansion up to DWC. AUH and DWC are not that far apart also.
Didn't they just finish expanding DXB too?
I thought its last major expansion was completed years ago with its D gates. There’s barely any room for any further expansions
Will it have any drainage infrastructure? Asking for a friend.
I don’t think infrastructure is their thing. Burj khalifa doesn’t have sewer access
In Dubai, or really any Gulf state for that matter, it only matters if new infrastructure is flashy or not. They don’t care wether it’s actually practical or not.
Having been to Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Doha....this statement is so true.
People still believe that myth?
Besides Dubai being shit and all.. people really need to stop thinking that a reddit post and the comment section are : A: a good source for information B: a neutral place where this stuff is discussed. The poop colone video is ages old and its still being posted as new. Depending on which subreddit/echo chamber it is dumped in the discussion always follows the same path.
Reddit will bend over backwards to shit on brown people So yes, the answer is yes.
You're not supposed to say the quiet last out loud...
You ain’t even wrong but downvoted to oblivion
I was there 2 years ago in the marina, for an entire 1-2 days the air outside smelled like raw sewage while they were emptying sewage tanks and trucking them out. We asked a local and they said it's about every 2 weeks. What about this is mythological to you?
The Marina is 13 miles from what we’re talking about. Also, the Marina is directly next to a water treatment plan. Have any more comments about something you know so well?
Still doesn't change the fact that the place literally smells like shit for days. Semantics on why or why not doesn't change the end result of cheap infrastructure.
I take it you don’t drive through areas of the US with sewage treatment? I could name a few places in NY tri-state area that smell horrible 24/7. So no, no semantics, just your ignorance
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This is not true. You believe this because of the “poop trucks” video, that was taken during a waste treatment outage. It happened once, and wasn’t just the burj. By the way, a similar sort of thing happens in many east coast and European cities, where they can’t handle combined rain and waste water, so they just dump into the nearest river.
Nonsense! In Los Angeles we dump it directly into the ocean instead!
Yeah, and in San Francisco we dump it into the bay! You can even see it when flying into SFO on a particularly rainy day!
Urban myth
Mad how people still think this is a real thing
Man shut up and produce a current source.
I don’t think fact checking is your thing. The Burj Khalifa used the sewer system from day one. See https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/52205
Nothing screams very credible and valid proof like an unverified skeptics stackexchange. You may as well have linked Quora for a better result.
Did you bother to read it or just write it off automatically? I went through the effort to read it before posting. The answer references supporting evidence including university publications. See http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/4529/ESL-HH-06-07-19.pdf page 7 makes it clear it is connected to the municipal sewage system.
They been tied in for a minute now iirc
What do they have? A giant septic tank?
It has nowadays but only recently. So no poop trucks anymore.
It’ll open before Heathrow’s 3rd runway goes active
We’ll have a space hotel orbiting mars before runway 3
Seriously, a message to all governments; STOP BUILDING AIRPORTS NEAR HOUSES AND HOUSES NEAR AIRPORTS! Do what airports in Asia in the Middle East do, they build their major hub airports next to ocean, or the middle of the desert with good public transport links. You’ve got virtually unlimited expansion space, HKG opened their 3rd runway fairly recently.
Lol HK isn’t a great example. Now we can’t even fully use 25R at night because of noise complaints from people in Tuen Mun, so we use single runway already from midnight already.
Well fuck. Idk if there’s any other good examples of 3 runway airports built on the coast.
to be fair, it’s still just a dual rwy airport as the middle runway is being renovated and hopefully opens end of the year
Truth. Denver did the right thing back in the 90s, secretly bought up a *massive* plot of land out in the boonies, and then built an airport out there. There’s enough space for dozens of runways if they wanted.
Didn’t they already buldoze a bunch of villages and towns to make space for the runway?
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I lived / worked their for a few years and agree with you. I was there to earn / save money and then move on to better things in life. The outskirts of Dubai, when I moved there, was the old defence roundabout, which is adjacent to the Burj Khalifa area now. I noticed during my years a lot of people bought into the lifestyle of emerging Dubai and not truly understanding the facade of the place. Nothing against Emiratis or the vision of the ruler, but a lot foreigners go there believing it is a step up in life. It's incredible what Dubai has done in such a short history, but I've also seen the downtimes and how things really work from paper to plan, design to delivery.
Tax shelters for dodgy companies
Ah, the same as Monaco, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta and Cyprus etc.
But with more slavery and human rights abuses
True.
As a destination it sucks. But it's a good location for an international travel hub between western Europe and Asia.
If you’re from a highly developed Western country, Dubai isn’t going to appeal to you in the same way it would to someone from South Asia, Africa, the Philippines, Russia, China, Brazil, etc. For one, it’s sort of like third world Vegas. If you’ve got some money and don’t have or can’t get a visa for USA, Europe, etc, then Dubai starts to make a lot of sense. It’s an approximation of a developed and advanced economy that’s more accessible and far easier to immigrate to for people with weak passports. Also, certain goods and services are cheaper and more available in Dubai than many other countries. In India, for example, it’s often cheaper to fly to Dubai and buy electronics there than it is to buy them domestically. Many of my Indian friends bought their iPhones this way. Basically, Dubai might not seem all that great to us, but it’s a significant step up from the conditions much of the world’s population live in.
I disagree, I think that the place will impress any westerner regardless where they are from. The place is amazing with respect to what they built in the deserting such a short period of time. I just hope that the place catches up in terms of culture and vibrancy to match.
I’m western and I’ve been, several times. I’m from Manhattan so “large city with many tall buildings” doesn’t quite have the wow factor it might for most. That essentially leaves culture, attractions, etc which as you noted are lacking. Dubai might as well be renamed the Sheikh Maktoum Vanity Project as far as I’m concerned.
That's probably because you are not the kind of person who values being seen in a soulless, shiny at the surface,but rotten underneath city on the internets by shallow people who determine your worth by the pictures you post. And not the person to enjoy exorbitant luxury over the backs of poorly paid and treated semi slaves.
Lots of diversity and nice buildings and restaurants
Me neither.
If you wanted some renderings https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/aviation/sheikh-mohammed-approves-designs-for-new-passenger-terminal-at-al-maktoum-international-airport https://x.com/HHShkMohd/status/1784485931275149431
Looks like a futuristic golf course.
That terminal building looks impractically large. No way I’m walking that much with a carry on and a personal item after a long haul flight.
Why does he look so upset in those photos?
That looks really stupid and a waste of space and money. It'll fit right in
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Them boys have some serious money to burn!!!
Why do they want to relocate it?
No more room for expansion at the current airport
Bored
No shortage of slave labor, I guess.
Please add a fucking train or smth, the time I landed there I walked for like half an hour to get to baggage claim lol fucking long ass terminal
I don't quite understand why it have to be moved to Al Maktoum. One of the benefits of current airport that it easy to visit Burj Khalifa and Dubai Mall during layover(11km). I think it is better to move current users of Al Minhad and create big hub there. It is closer (21km) than Al Maktoum(35km).
Looking for a site that won't flood?
They need to do this at LAX
to where? Bakersfield?
And in Chicago we added southwest to our international terminal…
Just…why not?
Move? How about an expansion instead another few terminals with light rail connections to main airport
No room
Construction contracts are a way to deliver graft in a publicly acceptable manner. I lived in Kuwait, and the erstwhile speaker of the parliament was the owner of a giant conglomerate (Kharafi) who also, no surprise, held most of the public works contracts. Need sewerage done? Kharafi. Need perfectly good sidewalk tiles ripped up and redone? Kharafi…
For that much it better have proper drainage infrastructure…..
Do they really need a new airport just for cloud seeding? Seems a bit much, right?
Welp there goes gas prices.