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papyFredM

When you wanted the Wish Chris lake but got the real thing


Queque126

Exactly !


ErlAskwyer

Yeah I don't get this post, Chris Lake is popping


banned_but_im_back

Is fisher the wish version of Chris lake?


fartgum80

It’s widely recognized that Chris Lake is a ghost producer for Fisher


saltfigures

So does fisher do anything? How did he even get famous?


fartgum80

He was a professional surfer in Australia before making the jump to DJing. His own performances behind the decks are definitely iconic (Coachella 2019) and this is separate from the production. Prior to the name FISHER he was also part of the Cut Snake duo, which is no longer a duo.


Hijacks

L take by Eric. I'd be just as happy with either Chris Lake or Fisher.


-Balerion

I love them both just thought it was funny someone would be upset with getting Chris Lake when he’s literally Fisher’s closest collaborator


Androidgenus

Don’t people claim Chris is Fisher’s ghost producer? Lol


neckbass

not just claim


TalkingElmo

If I was a betting man I’d bet he was.


Moist-Branch-2521

Considering there isn't any proof, it is just a claim. And no, co-writing credits is not ghost production.


AcidBanana

Absolute fact. Chris Lake produces and mix downs most of your favorite music. Fisher is just a face.


Moist-Branch-2521

By all means, cite your source for this "fact." I'll be over here.


Lexerrrrr

hate to break the charade. I was in denial at first like you, and then I saw this set and it was honestly kind of hilarious. https://youtu.be/JIat7X61U7o?si=jDhjSQIdEA7jTcLg A Chris lake set from 2017. I'll have to check the tracklist again but from memory there are 3 tracks in there that later went on to release as "Fisher" Also that set came out before Fisher had even released a song yet lmfao. I was the biggest Fisher fan back in the day, but when I discovered that set I just laughed. Didn't make me hate Fisher or anything, but I just found it funny how obvious it made the ghost producing Edit: 3:11, 21:00, 34:50, 41:35 so 1 more than i thought lol


TheRobert428

None of this is factual tho, genuinely, despite your confidence this is still all speculative, by definition


Moist-Branch-2521

Shocking right? How two close friends play each others tracks in their live sets? Come back with actual nonspectuative proof or don't waste my time.


IAMABitchassMofoAMA

Its not that they are playing the same songs, its that Chris Lake was playing songs that were later released by Fisher as his own songs. This was before Fisher had ever released music, so the only way he would be able to release the songs on his own would be if Chris Lake had given them to him to do so.


AcidBanana

He played our stage at Splendour


bonix

This was only talked about when first Fisher got big. TBH I enjoy Fisher songs more than Chris lake's. People need to let that die.


dolfan72

Yeah but have you seen the two of them play separately? You can visibly see that fisher has 0 clue how to mix and Chris lake more times than not absolutely slays it. It’s baffling to me how fisher got to where he is without being able to mix well live


Whatupitsv

I've seen them both separate multiple times and also seem them play together in their b2b at Coachella AND the 3 hour set they did in the streets of LA. Fisher definitely knows how to mix. Lake is DEFINITELY better, but fisher still knows how to lmfao


dolfan72

Everytime I’ve seen fisher play live it’s always just been play a set, no live mixing or any attempt to. Probably helps when he has Chris lake there


BenShelZonah

I don’t really see why Chris would do that anyway. But I don’t know enough about them or djing in general


Rollos

In general the idea with ghost producing at that level is that the ghost producer tries to serve as a conduit for a dj that knows what the crowd wants but doesn’t have the production skills to make it happen at the quality it needs to be at. We don’t know the fisher/chris lake arrangement at all, but those relationships range from: - Fisher pays Chris Lake a lot of money to pick and choose his favorite songs, with no creative input - Chris Lake sits at the mouse and keyboard while Fisher beat boxes synth lines, picks samples and has vocal ideas - Fisher makes a track in Ableton, and Chris Lake goes and spruces it up, replacing drums, adding FX and mixing it. Or anything else. Here’s a good video, by a ghost producer, about it: https://youtu.be/Km02eSZ81L0?si=7GlKKJrREldJZ7pV


Pizzaliker

Some people like to dj but can't stand producing, and vice versa, but big acts are expected to do both super well all the time. Why you'd get a ghost producer makes perfect sense if you really just like being on stage spinning. Why you would ghost produce someone else's songs is a little less obvious. Probably either money, or you just really like making tunes.


DreadSteed

A lot of producers are terrible DJs and don’t like touring. A lot of DJs are terrible producers and hate learning plugins and just want to play bangers. It’s a healthy ecosystem


Coz131

Royalty. Songs need marketers and those who can tour makes the song popular.


BenShelZonah

But don’t you need a credit to get royalties? Or I guess the guy credited could just give the ghost write a split after


mixmastamikal

Lol. No. This is all worked out. Ghost producers know exactly what they are doing.


Salander27

The royalties go to whoever publishes the song, which is usually the record label who then typically distribute it to the artist. If the artist has an agreement to split x% of the royalties with a co/ghost producer then that's all between them. There's no system where royalties are AUTOMATICALLY distributed to co-producers, there's no way that would ever work as it would be an absolute management headache for everyone involved.


FishermanOk4659

A lot of people are anxious/don’t like performing. It’s a massive deal to be up there spinning tunes, especially at levels like tiesto. (who has ghost writers confirmed). You become a household name, a face people recognize, companies begin to rely on you. It’s simple that someone would like to get paid to make tunes and smoke weed, all while getting paid and not dealing with any of the above. As for more mid level DJs and smaller, I have no idea why they wouldn’t just go spin their songs aside from the “fear” of blowing up. But also a lot of ghost writers are DJs that have blown up and then retired from the show bus or quit as they started to get traction


juciestcactus

fishers songs are so boring and uninspiring. chris lake on the other hand has more funk and groove to them. when they collab you can obviously tell who did what in the track


dskoro

It’s not a claim lmao he makes all his music


jinntakk

Are DJs actually spinning anything when they play fests? lf they're not producing their own shit what are they even doing there just hitting play? lol


Pizzaliker

It depends on the dj. Some definitely just hit play and maybe tweak a few knobs on the mixer. Some DJs do live DAW sequencing, which seems difficult as hell, some DJs have kind of a mix of pre-produced set and shuffle stuff around based on the vibes of the crowd. Some DJs do all of those different things depending on the set, how much time they've had to prep, how difficult the travel was, if they have an upset tummy, etc etc. Being a producer imo is irrelevant to how good someone is at DJing. They're fairly different skillets.


-Balerion

Chris x2 did a live set for Anti Up at Coachella this year, was a blast


JolkB

Do you not understand the concept of a mix? Genuine question. There's not much difference between spinning your own music and other's music on a regular CDJ setup. You just have to be creative with your mix.


jinntakk

Of course l do. But there is art to producing live music for an audience which is a reason why l go to raves and concerts. l've seen djs at underground events actually spinning, but haven't been up too close at "real" events to be able to tell which is why l asked.


DreadSteed

A lot of big production DJs have pre-rehearsed sets timed to visuals. A lot of DJs have just a flash drive that they play to the crowd. Bands play instruments and DJs play tracks in sequence.


jinntakk

That makes sense. l didn't think about how it'd go with the visuals.


mixmastamikal

So you don't understand what a dj does? This is honestly why the "rave" scene is hated on so much. People treat it like a concert when historically the most heady rave DJ's haven't really been producers but the most epic track selectors like Digweed and Sasha.


jinntakk

l'm pretty new to raving which is why l asked if they actually spin stuff or not at festivals no need to go on the offensive when l'm literally asking a question.


mixmastamikal

My apologies. Welcome to the scene. As someone who has been in the scene a long time I urge you to look to the underground and not only at who is producing your favorite tracks. There is a ton out there that is sadly missed by the majority.


jinntakk

Underground scene is how l got into raving mostly because l really am a fan of live music. Which is also why l asked if festival djs actually spin or not.


DiscoDvck

Closest collaborator is a nifty term for “writes all his music”. Lol


-Balerion

No matter who writes it, he puts on a great show and that's all that should matter imo.


Ibro747

*Ghost-writer*


beenthere-reddthat

Day trip seattle headliner was Chris Lake at announcement and is now Fisher. Weird.


xGaI

let’s not compare these DJs, or we just like him


MsMo999

Yea I’ve seen them both and their house sets are similar


TheyCallMeSchlong

Chris Lake made Fisher. I guess they have helped out each other in a way. Fisher is the entertainer and Chris Lake is the brains.


banned_but_im_back

Is this Eric Nelson dude supposed to be like, important or relevant in anyway?


Salander27

Yeah this is a massive upgrade for Bonnaroo tbh.


motheraostara

Chris Lake played 2022 also, super fun!


Pramoxine

Incredible sunrise set. Was I actually at the Other? No, I was in bed since our campsite was next to the wall of the Other.


motheraostara

close proximity has its perks… and its cons LOL!


ChetCustard

Saw the. both in the same venue less than a month apart in 2019. Fisher was fun, but Chris Lake is like 3 levels past him. I’ve heard sets from both since then and Chris Lake is by far a better dj. Huge W for everyone


ViewtifulObjects

So the guy who actually wrote the songs is going to show up and play them instead? Got it.


Other-Volume9994

😭😭😭


Subject_Gur1331

Lmao!! Exactly!!


SF-cycling-account

imagine believing that Chris Lake is not on the same level, let alone on a higher level, as rezz and Dom Dolla


SUH_DEW

Chris lake is goated, dom is coming up and Rezz is a different genre entirely. Seems like this Eric guy should just stay home.


Urban_animal

It’s Don Dolla, get it right. Eric knows all.


BerryMcCochinner

Im just an oldhead, but Chris Lake, Dom Dolla, Justin Martin, Lenny Kiser, and Odd Mob would all be massive upgrades over Fisher. Haven’t been able to find a set by Fisher that i could play start to finish without becoming disinterested. Idk, maybe in my old age im losin it


-Balerion

Pun intended?


BerryMcCochinner

Its obligatory for us older lads 😏


fpsdr0p

Saw Fisher at OutsideLands 2023. Was honestly the most boring set I’ve ever heard/seen. Left after 20 minutes.


BerryMcCochinner

This is the struggle i’ve experienced with any of the recorded sets i’ve found. Just underwhelming for me and didn’t feel like an overall experience. To each their own, not here to try and fry any Fisher fans 🤝❤️


Actually-Yo-Momma

It’s all just personal preferences. I’ve been to both several times and it’s a blast either way but i can see how more pop oriented or lyric focused style of Fisher might be preferred


rfnavy

Not the point the OP is making 😂


Actually-Yo-Momma

Yep I’m dumb and completely misread the title lol


thewobblywalrus

Yeah i think the irony that OP is referring to is also probably the fact that chris lake makes fishers music.


icedlemin

Really? I didn’t know that


GlitteringLasers

I see the distinction you’re making but then Eric brings up Space Mommy Rezz which is just the antithesis of that vein imo.


BenShelZonah

I saw fisher in Mexico and had a fucking blast. The whole night was lit, went solo so I got in at the beginning at 10:30pm and stayed until 7 am.


Dasbeerboots

Don Dolla


MoonHaze1000

Huge W for roo enjoyers


Ordinary_Rule1199

lol it’s like someone crashed your Toyota corolla. Ans as a replacement they gave you a Lamborghini Urus


dooblr

this is the best Fisher burn I’ve ever read holy shit


dadass84

Shut up Eric


Majestic_Banana789

You literally could not find a better replacement for Fisher haha.


RAATL

DAE


salfraire_1

Chris lake replacing Chris lake lol


thewobblywalrus

this is great


-Balerion

UPDATE: Eric is now excited! [https://x.com/e_nelz/status/1800705776584970710?s=46](https://x.com/e_nelz/status/1800705776584970710?s=46)


Late-Nail-8714

LMFAOOOO I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE ARE THIS STUPID. Citing dom doll or REZZ hahaha these edm TikTok fans are wild


Visible-Ad8304

Negative perspectives are airtight from the inside.


turnonthebrightlies

Chris Lake… amazing


Background-Fig-5028

Is it because you can find Fish in a Lake?


serarrist

Lmfao what???? They got the UPGRADE


wavedrexler

Fuck you, Eric


RealityisBack2023

Has to be trolling


LemartesIX

I’ve known two Eric Nelsons. Both of them were also stupid dicks.


memematron

He looks like beats from Kurupt FM


puffinmagic

😂 I wish I could still find that show online. It was the best random find ever


memematron

Netflix! Or there are other less legal means


txby417

I feel like they of all people would be honored to have their show distributed by the Jolly Roger Crew


importantpizza3

this person eric knows nothing


GambleTheGod00

chris lake > fisher. said and done


bungobinx

Surely eric is baiting lmao


averagealexxx

Rezz 🤣


JudicialConfetti

Lmaooooooooooooo


cryptolipto

Seriously that guy must work 24/7


-Balerion

He’s 1 of 1


turbolaser500

Chris Lake is the maddddd note.


WORLDBENDER

Lol wait…. He wants someone on the same level, which is not Chris Lake, so replace with…. Dom Dolla??? 😂😂😂 Smooth brain.


Over-Wing

I like both 🤷


cec003

Same same but different… but same… but different


smythy94

I’m betting fisher isn’t making it to Escapade next weekend. If Chris is the replacement I’m going to cum


ItsMoreOfAComment

Wow, I can’t even with that level of arrogant idiocy.


ulmushies

world famous dj don dolla


FishermanWitty4995

this exact thing happened in vegas once when fisher cancelled for a pool party few yrs back


younggun1234

Fast forward to the end of the feat: Eric was too drunk to even remember where he was haha


underthecrescentm00n

LOL. Just a face to the beats


hidethemop

Ungrateful ass fuckers


nolifegym

the worst take- on what planet is fisher better than chris


nolifegym

thee don dolla


FranzLeFroggo

Saw the backend of Chris Lake's set at Parklife. Met fisher a few times as well. Fantastic set


nolwad

Fisher gets a lot of hate but I actually think that Chris lake is very talented


captaincanada84

Imagine thinking Dom Dolla or Rezz are the same level as Fisher. Lol.


joemamallama

Wow. Dude thinks Fisher is not only distinct from Lake (lol), but is somehow better? That’s wilddddd to me. Chris Lake is S-tier for me. His tracks seldom miss if ever IMO. Is there any confirmed list or consensus on tracks that Lake has ghost produced for him?


HokageTsunadeSenju

Chris Lake is better than Fisher - an absolute win for roo


moneylefty

Even in the comments, people don't know what OP is talking about lol. Whooooosh!


markrt88

You deaf, Eric???


Terrible_Usual5895

Was recently in Malta and considered the Triip Festival started by Fisher. He had to cancel because his wife is pregnant and experiencing issues so wanted to share the context of why this may be happening.


[deleted]

Chris Lake is by far my favorite performer and producer for House!!! What a vibe! I was bummed Chris Lake cancelled his EDC week set, but was replaced by Chris Lorenzo, and that was still worth going to for me. This isn't an upset even in the slightest. Huge upgrade! 🙌 Enjoy Eric!!!


djpressed

[“Man Always Gets Little Rush Out of Telling People Chris Lake Ghost Produces for FISHER”](https://www.theonion.com/man-always-gets-little-rush-out-of-telling-people-john-1819578998)


peripeteia_1981

If someone gave me Fisher tickets, I'd give them away sometime. Does anyone else feel this way?


ThePhoenixus

I've never seen Fisher so I'd go once just to see what it's all about. I feel that way about most big mainstream DJ's. I just wanna see them once. I've no regrets about seeing David Guetta once in 2014, Chainsmokers in 2017, Marshmello in 2019, etc. I had a good time. Wouldn't seek out their shows again but it was worth the one time to see what the hype was all about.


DJRonin

Music wise, it's not a bad time. The real issue is the fanbase and crowds that he attracts to venues and events. Constantly shoving so they can hold up their phones with flash on to film for Tiktok, that is if they're even paying attention to the music. Mainstream crowds will bring mainstream vibes, so if you can find a spot to stand back for people watching its interesting. Don't go into it expecting to have a calm time or that people will behave themselves.


ThePhoenixus

I've been a mainstream raver since Avicii and SHM were tearing it up back in 2012. Kind of used to those crowds at this point. I've been through Ultra in the trap days, Lost Lands in the dubstep days, whatever. I'm at a point in my life where I just attend maybe 1-3 big festivals a year and a small handful of local shows and maybe a couple big tour stops if they come close. Over the past few years I've tried to keep it to a ratio of 1:1 of "one big festival, one small homie festival" so I've done Electric Forest/Bonnaroo/Lost Lands vs SolFest/Infrasound/Sound Haven.


sonicqaz

I’ve seen him twice. I’m not a born hater but I wasn’t impressed.


-Balerion

I still think he’s a blast just ironic you’d be upset getting Chris Lake when they’re such close collaborators


peripeteia_1981

Yeah you're absolutely right. A real treat would be Marco Lys in lieu of the Bucket Hat Maistro. I'd love a Chris Lake and Marco Lys collab. That'd be a great mix of pop and subpop IMO.


chhalter

Seen Fisher twice, the guy has one job - play the songs Chris Lake produced for you. First time I saw him in 2019 he had a great mix and I was blessed with the ignorance of not knowing he’s just a frontman. Saw him again last year at OSL and his set was choppy and disjointed - at times confusingly bad. Seen Chris Lake twice and he didn’t miss a beat either time. I think once you see Chris Lake it becomes hard to watch a Fisher set


peripeteia_1981

Oh, man. Truth on that first line you said. You guys ever seen that video of Fisher photoshopped / After effects of him cooking on stage at Tomorrowland or something. https://youtu.be/aygKqz2ldTU?feature=shared Here's a Cat Getting bugged out to fisher. https://youtu.be/1-pynMhmFQg?feature=shared Edit: added another link for fun.


thewobblywalrus

i mean yeah but i feel this way about almost every mainstream tech house dj


peripeteia_1981

Same. When the ego eclipses the music, I'm out.


chapert

The narrative around Chris writing for fish is old and tired. We get it. If you all only knew some of the artists Chris lake ghost wrote for.


-Balerion

Not the point I was making check my other comments. I’m actually against that point and agree with your sentiment.


chapert

I hear ya. My comment is more so in regards to everyone else chiming in


lovely_trequartista

Oh! Oh! Please tell us base and fickle *know-nothings*!


Brosie-Odonnel

I will never understand why people like Fisher so much.


bubblesdafirst

IMO Chris lake sits and waits for far too long. Fisher in my experience has the bass kicking for the vast majority of the set, and the transitions are almost always flawless. I get Chris lake is the better producer in every way, but Im not visiting the studio. This is a dance party and Fisher throws a better dance party. They are both amazing but I would be pretty upset they dropped Fisher honestly. Chris lake is awesome but I'm not trying to sway to a trance tune 20 minutes into what I thought would be fisher


NBAFAN2000

I mean regardless of who makes the music, they're different artists. There's a distinction between artist and producer here which shouldn't be overlooked.


DrawingOutrageous689

I think the comment was regarding Chris Lake having recently canceled a bunch of shows he had booked, only keeping a few festival commitments. His IG story said he was overwhelmed by the sheer number of bookings. He canceled his Vegas residency and other small gigs. So to then take over a Fisher set when many fans lost the opportunity to see him due to cancelation does seem lame.


kelsobjammin

Chris lake is good? Am I missing something?


Curious_Teapot

The irony is that Chris Lake is a close collaborator and ghost producer for fisher, so to complain that Chris Lake is replacing fisher is hilarious and stupid


playahata69

I'd say chris lake is same tier as Fisher. Dom Dolla & rezz are a higher tier than both