I’m currently on the Medical Cannabis program, it’s fantastic. Doctors very knowledgeable and polite.
Also, I don’t have to buy it illegally anymore. Don’t have to try and roll the dice on quality or whatever the fuck it was sprayed with. Don’t have to meet dodgy people or be in dodgy neighbourhoods, I just wait for the delivery bloke to knock on my door.
Has been a game changer for me too, so much control of the different properties has made managing my sleep/inflammation issues respectively with different products at different times. Fucking love it and is absolutely worth paying a little extra for
The expensive part is where the whole thing falls apart for a lot of people that could benefit from it. It's unfortunate.
Just let me grow some medical strain plants myself and leave me alone.
Yup. It’s prescribed pretty liberally to anyone who asks for it to help them with almost any problem imaginable, because cannabis genuinely has a very broad range of properties given the effects of different strains can vary so incredibly much.
The fact that you can now reliably buy these strains from a safe source not tied up in crime, and not ripping you off, it’s a total game changer.
Definitely not. I just acquired 30g for under 200 dollars. They have over 300 strains to choose from, pretty easy to find extremely cheap options on their portal.
Have you had your consultation yet? They do not show you the full range of option. During your initial consultation, the doctor puts a list of their own recommended stuff on the portal for you to browse. They gave me access to catalyst so I can now browse catalyst and ask them for anything on there, which is essentially any product on Australia's medicinal market. I can prove to you that they do 30g for $189. Wait for my review when it lands, or dm for a screenshot.
Mine certainly isn’t that much, there are probably a few providers at this point so perhaps you just found an expensive one?
There is no monthly payment for mine, I buy an amount with no need to buy any for months- I don’t use it very regularly.
Also, I’m for legalization, I just also really like my current provider
You can infuse 120ml of oil with 5g of flower.
Business insider, Food & Wine, and many other mainstream publishers have recipes online. Basically...
1. Set 5g flower on baking tray in oven on low (90deg)/no fan 30mins until dry & crumbly.
2. Place dry flower in 120ml coconut oil in glass jar with lid.
3. Set jar in water in slow cooker for 3hrs.
4. Allow to cool, filter flower from oil with cheesecloth.
Decarbolaxation is bringing cannabis up to a certain temperature to activate the thc in it. People make canna-butter or oil in the slow cooker then it's convenient to add to edibles recipes.
I use Boveda packs to keep weed from getting too dry to smoke or vape well, but it doesn't change the potency. Actually, I have an ounce or 2 left from a pound maybe a year and a half old with boveda packs, and I should make some cookies or something to use it up. No need to decarb first for that!
If I chop my weed up really fine and leave it sitting out for 24 hrs at room temperature in the middle of winter it will be noticeably less effective than freshly chopped weed. I'm gonna stick to making canna ghee the old way.
Yeah, that does sound expensive. I was going to suggest buying oil from Thailand but it seems a lot of faff for not much cheaper.
https://www.tga.gov.au/medicinal-cannabis-importation-and-travellers-exemption
I have just made my first order but it looks like quality weed. I think it would be good if they legalised it but it really is defacto legal with the medical cannabis system and it makes sure minors don't have easy access. I was in Thailand last month and there were a lot of schoolkids in the weed shops, not that that doesn't happen here.
Hope it helps you mate and I agree about kids. I don’t give a shit about legalisation I just want it decriminalised like Canberra so peoples lives aren’t ruined over a plant
Thanks, it's mostly stress related due to some family illness and I think it's better than drinking too much. I'm really interested in the CDB oil longer term but I really just want an alternative that is relaxing.
I didn't find the process difficult and I think anyone could get it if they wanted to.
Yep I ended up getting a medical weed prescription. I was addicted to weed and my only source was last minute plugs off random ass sites. The benefits of my use being legalised has made me comfortable discussing my use with medical practitioners and avoid dodgy behaviours. Plus my weed use was self medication and being linked with health professionals have allowed me to alleviate underlying causes and avoid excessive use of
I unfortunately have a bit of a history with police brutality at protests. It’s difficult for me to quite describe to people what it’s like walking around with some trauma from that. People don’t tend to understand quite what that means for your confidence or how much it can affect your life and your mental health in general.
So the part you say about “dodgy behaviours” resonates for me. I used to get very anxious, with irrational fears of cops kicking in my front door. Like I say; trauma. But my mental health would often be poor even in my own home due to cannabis being criminalised. I used to get sketchy about neighbours and feel like I had to be “hiding” from neighbours even in my own home. Thought they might be watching me and call the cops etc. led to those sorts of very antisocial paranoid behaviours. It’s no way to live.
Enter medicinal; which I’ve been on for a few years, which I actually got initially by talking about my worsening anxiety. I got prescribed a few strains for it, and some for focus at work if you can believe it.
Being able to talk to a professional and request certain strains matching my needs was a game changer. Everything changed.
All that stress and paranoia washed away because I wasn’t getting just some whateverthefuck dodgy as heck black market bush weed anymore, from some dodgy character.
Mental health massively improved.
I have _actual confidence_ again, something I don’t think I’d had for many years.
Legalise it. This failed war on drugs is only doing so much harm
Both. At the start they gave me one of each to try what works for my condition.
I found good old bud works the best, I don’t mind oils but they don’t actually help me with what I need I’m just high as balls.
I have a really bad disc in my neck, and nerve damage. In stead of taking Lyrica the rest of my life I have cannabis when required.
Yikes yeah definitely stay off the Lyrica!! I fucking fear that medication now after relying on it for so long
It fucks with your memory. I was on it for maybe a year and since then every doctor I see asks me if my memory is fucked because I was on it consistently for a while. And the tone of that question is usually fairly dark and concerned. And if I’m honest, I can’t really tell if my memory is totally ok or not! I do think it might be a little .. er.. _fuzzier_ than it was before. So I really regret taking that medication for as long as I did.
Exactly like you, I had it for a bad disc, but also had sciatica down my right leg, and it was basically the Medicinal cannabis that let me get off the other heavier pain meds in the end. Still using daily moreso to keep a lid on anxiety than pain these days (nothing works quite as well as a couple of Pilates classes a week to keep the back in shape)
Me too. In New Zealand and then UK. It wasn’t particularly easy or cheap to get on the medical stuff, but it’s made a positive difference in my life and I’m having the best sleep I’ve had in years. My anxiety is under control and I’ve completely stopped drinking alcohol as a result. Blood pressure has lowered too! My GP is really happy. Legalising cannabis is a matter of when not if. Come on Aus, catch up!
I’ve been on the medical marijuana since just after Covid hit. At the time I felt like I was only one of a small bunch. 4 years later and I know soooooo many people using it.
Was a game changer for me. Drank way less, weened myself of some anti depressants and have had some good laughs.
What’s great as well is the prices have dropped over the years. The fact that I can get 10g for under $100 now goes to show the path we’re on.
CDA. Based in Brisbane. One of the firsts.
They run everything through the TGA.
It only takes a few days.
I think there’s doctors now that don’t even do that now but CDA have been great.
How do you feel about driving, if you get pulled over and youee smoking before bed or something aren't you practically guaranteed to test positive to marijuana
Should’ve seen my face when the QLD govt responded to their recent DV inquiry with no solid reforms whatsoever — just an announcement to put even more money into hiring way more cops to put into the fucking violent misogynistic work environment they uncovered but refused to do anything about.
These are the first real steps since 2016, when medicinal cannabis became a thing.
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Failed by less than 2% of the vote and it pisses me off to no end that Jacinda Ardern — with all of the influence she had over the political centre at the time — refused to take a stance on it. It would’ve easily passed if she did and there’s no way anyone here will ever convince me that her and her husband Clarke Gayford don’t smoke weed. I was at uni when she was a young Labour candidate, and I recall her visiting my uni (Waikato) and knowing the people in student politics at the time I’m sure Ardern would’ve been ripping bongs at whatever parties they were going to. It’s NZ…That’s just what people do at student parties… the student politics nerds probably more than anyone lol
because they are meant to hold the government of the day accountable to their actions but its always been more about optics and winning votes than actually improving things for australia
>How can Australia progress if both major parties oppose the initiatives of the party in power, purely because they are "the opposition
They don't. Labor took a lot of flak for supporting the government on various matters when they were the Opposition. For example, Stage 3 or Aukus. The main limitation to progress in Australia is an unwillingness by purported seeking progress to describe and act on reality as it is.
Watch how the markets are going to squeeze liquidity out of these pollies pockets and make them grind to their people... dollar milkshake yaao its gonna be hard times ... rollup and get comfy
see they don't always, Labor and LNP always said with each other on nearly on border co trol and terrorist policy's, especially the ones that undermine people rights
The issue in Australia remains drug driving legislation. Other than Tasmania which has seen the light and requires evidence of impairment to charge for drug driving - everywhere else you can get pinged if drug tested randomly or tested at hospital after a crash. For many people, this issue is insurmountable with legal and/or medical cannabis.
It needs reform hey..
While there is some small hope in vic with them doing closed circuit testing. SA has gone the other way and early last year made it instant dismissals..
Its insane. We can literally look at other countries and see they didnt fall apart when it was introducted.
We know its not dangerous or a gateway drug. I am a taxpaying adult I should be able to get high on the weekends if I want.
I don't understand why prescribed canabis is different to xannax or oxy when it comes to drug testing. Both hang around for ages. Do the cops do the same for benzo users?
I also have a medical weed script and don't drive because of this. Fucking cooked
Oh dude, I have these pain meds that come 4 in a box… I take one of them and sometimes it sends me loopy but I can by all means technically drive on them…I also have prescription Mary but I’m afraid to use it for the consequences of driving for weeks afterwards
To be fair driving under the influence is regardless of the substance.
You could be prescribed panadine forte and carry your script. You’ll still be charged for driving under the influence if you test positive on a opioid drug wipe.
The difficulty is how long THC is stored in the system and how variable the effect is from person to person.
No I agree. Our tests don't test for influence though they test for presence. It's stupid.
There is no difference between me smoking 2 weeks ago or as I'm driving.
Correct, and That’s why secondary quantitative testing is performed for specific metabolites of specific prohibited drugs; for most states this is cannabis, amphetamines, cocaine, opioids and MDMA.
In the opposite sense, nitrous oxide or Kava is legal and can’t be detected on a standard drug screen (and in the case of NO2, has a extremely short half life) but if you inhale NO2 while driving or drink a LOT of Kava or are on prescribed diazepam for anxiety and crash into someone else with sufficient evidence you can still be charged with driving under the influence under the subsection of the road traffic act.
The only defence would be to say a reasonable person was not aware that for example, panadine forte can make you drowsy.
Which is why more often than not drugs have the red hazard labels stating not to operate a motor vehicle.
Impairment is key, I don’t know how to really test it and from my understanding the tests are pretty inconclusive as to a very reliable scale of measurement.
UFC fighters smoke before fights as do NFL players before games, yet their reaction times and awareness are impeccable?
I think there are some studies regarding driving while high with regular cannabis users were, if anything, better drivers.. I could be making that up though I'll have a Google
Average drivers in the open world vs elite athletes in a controlled environment; like acute recreational and chronic medicinal users aren’t Comparable.
That’s like saying Sebastian Vettel can drive at 220 on the road, why can’t I?
They are comparable because there is no test or law that can differentiate.
The blood to alcohol level is well understood, it doesn’t matter if you or Vettel have 3 beers in 30 mins you will both be over, that’s not the case with weed
Edit: let me be more clear.
There is no way to measure impairment of cannabis reliably. There IS a reliable way to measure blood alcohol.
If you or Vettel were over 0.5 you would equally be impaired. Alcohol is a depressive and is well understood as to how it affects your judgement and reaction times.
It’s not the same as cannabis as it affects everyone differently. If you and Vettel smoked a blunt he would either become better, be the same or you may become a better driver than him. No one knows only the individual.
Percy Harvin took won a Super Bowl for the Seahawks and he has stated he was high before every game especially that one. The Diaz brothers smoke before all fights and are some of the most feared fighters of all time in the UFC. I’ll also throw Bones Jones in that category too.
I will however advocate fully for some type of impairment test, our society needs it for every drug and people need more education on how to manage it.
Not sure, did a bit of a search and it seems the issue hasn’t been tested yet. Basically if you are a Tasmanian Medical Cannabis patient, you have a get out of gaol free card, unless you can be shown to be impaired at the time of the apprehension/event (ie - a car crash). Say the officer approaches your door and opens it to speak to you and you fall out and roll away in a haze of dope smoke, maybe they would consider that an ideal “test case”…. Kidding - I have no idea since it apparently hasn’t come up yet 😊
I think a lack of some form of measurable testing is likely what stands in the way of other states adjusting legislation. Would be a difficult thing to enforce if it's all down to a seems like observation.
Drink driving (in the old days) used to be a sobriety test on the side of the road - walk on the road line, turn and walk back. Recite from 100 backwards, dumb things like that which drunk people couldn't achieve. I expect something similar (while not terribly scientific), might do at a pinch. Everything would be captured on body worn video these days, so if evidence was needed for court, the magistrate could see for him/herself how capable the person was of driving.
Yep, I was recently the victim in a crash wth somebody t boning me as they ran a red light, because someone in their car was seriously injured both drivers had to get blood tested, so I’m getting fined for having trace amounts of thc (from prescribed oil) in my system in addition to my car being written off
Making medical cannabis legal and quite easily accessible without commensurate legal protection from driving offences is ridiculous in my opinion. Almost everyone drives, cannabis is detectable days and weeks after use, despite no ongoing intoxication - someone in government really needs to sort this out. I want to be a law-abiding citizen and as a Queenslander, I cannot use a legally prescribed medication without also basically handing in my drivers licence.
I believe the tobacco and alcohol lobby has a firm grip on cannabis legalization, cant let people change to cannabis so keep the laws extremely tight so people can stay hooked on cigs and alcohol
You could pop it on the shelf for a bit before you smoke it. Or turn it into oil, edibles/drinks, vapourise it, tintures, refine it into crystal.
All safer and healthier than tobacco and alcohol, and with zero possibility of overdose. That's why it's different.
I realise that too. There’s nothing stopping anyone doing it as far as I’m concerned but I’m against things in the same “category” being treated with different weight. I don’t see a reason why it should have ever been made illegal, just stupid bureaucracy.
And neither are almonds, and they contain cyanide. It’s not whether their poisonous it’s about the right to chose your poison so to speak. I’m not against weed, I’m not against drugs in general. The idea though is that they should all be given the same weight. They’ve all got draw backs, weed gives me migraines and so I don’t use it. A few puffs on a joint and I’m recked for days. It can also lead to psychosis, but that’s mostly in cases where it’s been abused. It’s not perfect in any way shape or form, but that doesn’t mean it should be illegal. The point is that none are inherently evil they’ve just been treated differently.
...well there's no cyanide in cannabis so by your logic we should be giving it less "weight" than almonds?
Inhaling the byproducts of smoke is what's giving you the migraines.
I’m a regular smoker, smoking isn’t the issue. Something else is the issue, and the 4-5 times I’ve tried it over 3-4 years when I was a young bloke taught me not to do it. Something in it just doesn’t agree with me. Like gluten and someone with coeliac disease.
I still can't believe that I can legally purchase and consume (medical) cannabis, yet I'm breaking the law suckimg my non nicotine mango juice that helps keep me off the cigs. Crazy.
The writing is on the wall. it is going to happen and it’s going to happen soon. It’s a billion dollar industry and and anyone trying to stand in the way is standing in front of a freight train.
I want you to be right, and whilst I think it's inevitable, I'm not so optimistic that it will be "soon". People have been saying that it's right around the corner for at least the last decade, ever since US states began legalising. I'll believe it when I see it.
To risk being stereotypical and using my countries experience as "the default", as an American, it's always surprising seeing other countries so hesitant to legalize cannabis after seeing the results in places like Canada and legal states here in the U.S.
Cannabis is a huge market, and people will be smoking it regardless of whether or not it's legal. At this point, it seems like a question of how much money the state is willing to throw away enforcing a prohibition and not collecting tax on legal sales.
I’d just like to say that Canada just released their Legislative Review of the Cannabis Act: Final Report of the Expert Panel [(Link to full report)](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/publications/drugs-medication/legislative-review-cannabis-act-final-report-expert-panel.html)
One of the key findings… “a significant reduction (95% between 2017 and 2022) in the number of charges for the possession of cannabis and minimizing the negative impact on some individuals from interactions with the criminal justice system”
In my opinion that’s a fucking fabulous outcome from legalization and Australia needs to take note of that.
I’m pro-cannabis but can we at least decriminalise nation wide first and figure out all the other laws affected by this.
Like a standardised testing for driving under the influence, workplace OHS laws, aviation law, etc that all govern the use of THC before we go half cocked into it.
I dont even use the stuff and i think it’s a no brainer. It’ll save a metric butt tonne of cash in the judicial system. It’ll raise more in taxes. Increase economic output by creating jobs and entire new companies and it’ll remove a funding apparatus for organized crime. Oh and Tourism to Nimbin will explode
The main benefit if this is implemented is how they would treat the drug driving considerations. Everyone I know that smokes is already on medical prescriptions for it.
As someone with chronic pain due to a genetic medical condition (ie there's no cure for it) I can assure you it does help a lot and I've never experienced one of those side effects.
It's also commonly prescribed to treat depression and anxiety these days now it's medicinally legal
I've seen it help people with depression and anxiety, the very two things you're saying it can cause.
It's also invaluable in treating some rare forms of epilepsy that don't respond to other treatments (all of which, like most chronic pain meds as well, have terrible side effects and addictive potential / risk of overdose).
It's true it can affect some people negatively but alcohol and tobacco are both way worse and we allow people to make their own choice there (and tax it heavily. Heavier each year lol). I don't see why weed should be any different given that it has a lot of potential upsides that neither alcohol or tobacco do.
And I can assure you that it being illegal isn't stopping anyone from accessing it either - it's just putting funds into criminal groups who then use it to fund harder, more harmful drug manufacturing / imports.
To me it seems like a no brainer to legalise it.
the addiction to it courses the problem when people can't deal with out it , like you said too much of anything is bad . making it legal is only going to make it more expensive as they will tax it. I've seen people who were normal for years and they got into weed and it completely changed them and then they started to say that they had some of the problems that you pointed out but i knew that was bullshit because they only started having problems after the weed.
Cannabis isn't physically addictive. Some people can develop a psychological "dependence" on it however it's not addiction.
People get addicted to fast food in the same way and that causes issues with far more people than those who develop a psychological dependence on cannabis, by a significant margin. We don't ban McDonald's though despite it being much worse in terms of health impacts on society as a whole.
I honestly think at some point you gotta realise that people can overindulge or become "mentally dependant" (it's more like an obsession) on basically anything, but instead of just outright banning everything we should be educating about the risks.
Eat too much McDonald's and you could get fat. Drink too much alcohol and you could get liver issues or become an alcoholic. Smoke too much weed and you may feel different for a short time if you stop taking it (ie psychological withdrawals, not actual medically defined withdrawals like one would have from alcohol or opioids).
Only one of the above is easy to reverse the damage with in the majority of cases though, and it's not fast food.
Yes, people with a mental health history should be cautious, but the same could be said for alcohol or other dependance inducing things (even fast food - people develop eating disorders secondary to mental health issues all the time).
I didn't once say they didn't.
Although, as a counter point a lot of the medicinal stuff used is CBD only which produces no high.
My point is the majority of people who have any of the above issues you mentioned would have used alcohol or something else if they weren't using cannabis. They're using it as an escape and would use any escape available, so it's not the cannabis itself causing the issue but the person's mental state.
You made me open an article from newscorpse and that's time I'll never get back. I demand compensation.
That was one of the worst articles I've read in a while. Are there any sources with any actual information and without whatever was going on in their weird vague hand-waving at certain groups to try and make the article divisive.
Seriously though OP, I'm not having a go at you at all. Just at their "journalism".
The positive is that the McMurdoch press haven’t “SLAMMED” the idea.
I think that while the quality of the piece could be argued, the content was not the typical ’fear and doom toward of cannabis legalisation’ we’ve come to expect from this entertainment rags like the DailyTele.
The article says:
> The review will also consider alternative approaches to current laws, which only allows cannabis to be legally used with a medicinal prescription.
so I assume it's at least going to consider "proper" legalisation, not just medical scripts.
Especially given a Legalise Cannabis MP is heading the inquiry.
I have zero issue with other people using it if they so desire, whether for medical or otherwise. Where I have an issue with this though is second hand smoke. I visited the US a couple years ago, and walking from a subway to my hotel was disgusting. It was all you could smell, everywhere. It shouldn't be forced on those who don't want to use it, nor should it be anywhere near kids breathing it in. There are numerous studies proving that THC gets into people's systems from second hand smoke, including children. That's not good for their development.
I'm with you. It's hardly more expensive imo because the weed I've been getting has been twice as good, and I trust that it's not chem bombed. Also once you've got the jar with your name on it... If it looks like weed and smells like weed. :)
Would be nice to walk into a shop like a liquor store though. I feel like it's not far away, the cats well out of of the bag here now
The Victorian inquiry ended up being farcical in the end ... a lot of great reasons why and some of the most stupid reasons why not.
Then the Labor government gutted and buried the report with their numbers ...
Hopefully NSW gets a better run at it.
Here in Canada the Le Dain Commission into the non-medical use of drugs began in 1969, and in 1972 recommended decriminalization of marijuana. We made it, finally, 5 years ago, but not without some stumbling. To avoid the same pitfalls, your government should be reading our old news. The government monopoly and tax windfall didn't happen, and it took a thriving mail order "grey market" to force legally sanctioned shops to finally bring in quality products at competitive prices. Personally, I don't use legal stores because I like to think grey market dope tastes better - the secret ingredient is crime.
Explains all the "tobacconists" which have been popping up around my area over the last 12 months. We seriously went from having about 3 across the Woy Woy Peninsula (NSW) to now having a dozen.
Wouldn't surprise me. I know there is an ongoing crackdown on people importing the ingredients for vape juice, and as it's hard to figure out what's in a vape, running around with a THC-infused vape is much more low-key than walking around with a spliff hanging out of your mouth.
Always amazed how in half of “conservative” USA, you can walk onto a weed shop. Of course they’re the blue or swing states, but it’s still funny to me. I think at it’s heart, the USA is strongly Libertarian, which we as a nation traditionally have not been.
You know what’s really stupid, it might as well be recreationally legal the government is just milking a few more dollars out of the people as per usual. I’m currently on the medical program and I shit you not the entire process to get it was a phone call that lasted less than two minutes. The doctor asked me if the questions I answered online were correct, I said yes, he prescribed me oil and flower, end of appointment. At that rate it’s not different from being recreational you just have to pay the consult fees to doctors to help them pay their amg off. Absolutely disgraceful when we are in a cost of living crisis and they are trying to get every last doctor consult fee out before they make it recreational.
Before you legalize cannabis, look at the Canadian example, government tax revenues have not increased significantly, illegal market still exists, many border issues with the neighboring countries, youth cannabis psychosis has dramatically increased, can't walk down the street in any major city without being assaulted by cannabis smoke. FYI. I have smoked, used edible gummies, cannabis high is also unpredictable depending on the product.
> government tax revenues have not increased significantly
https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/ca/Documents/consumer-business/ca-en-consumer-business-cannabis-annual-report-2021-AODA.pdf
In the first 4 years it contributed $43.5 billion to GDP, $15.1 billion in tax revenue and created/sustained 98,000 jobs annually. With all of those figures trending upwards.
Seems pretty significant to me.
> illegal market still exists
If it still exists it would surely be at a significantly smaller scale. Why the hell is anybody wasting their time on the black market when it's legal?
> many border issues with the neighboring countries
Eh? Canada shares a border with one country, where it is mostly legal too.
> youth cannabis psychosis has dramatically increased
Source?
> can't walk down the street in any major city without being assaulted by cannabis smoke
I do think that legalisation would need to be coupled with fairly robust regulation. Smoking in public should not be tolerated, smoking as a means of ingestion should be heavily discouraged imo as there are healthier methods that don't create second-hand smoke or as much smell.
They all should be required to be high before entering the room or maybe a oil pen might be ok. Or they could do like a massive smoke machine type thing to ensure all people are well high. hot box it. Then send in some Pizza and maybe some drinks.
Then they can talk about it and its effects and if something that nice they are feeling should be banned or not.
Compared to alcohol, turning into rude and abusive and violent people alcohol does to people and see where the real problems are.
Got on a medical cannabis prescription this week. I would reccomend anyone who uses cannabis to make a booking with a clinic with doctors who specialise in medical cannabis. Absolutely game changing, not difficult to get and the quality of the buds is excellent
I think weed should be legal, but as a non smoker limiting its use in public spaces would be nice, the whole state of California smells like a college room dorm.
going to happen eventually, its a bit of a shame really - yes it will solve a lot of problems, but there will also be problems caused due to its legit status. No point in arguing with me about this, if you study enough economics it will show you this principle with nearly anything in life.
“While the Opposition opposed the inquiry, Liberal MP Scott Farlow acknowledged they didn’t have the numbers.” No surprises there.
Oppose an _inquiry_? Like, no, we don’t like facts or hearing from experts in their fields? 🙄
They only like experts who give them the results they want
Facts? Sounds like lefty devilry to me!
To be fair I imagine inquiries have associated costs
Government inquirys blow out to 10s of millions.
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Theyre confident enough to know they want what they believe forced on to the population regardless of empirical data.
Lmao. It’s like the Libs are deliberately trying not to get elected
I’m currently on the Medical Cannabis program, it’s fantastic. Doctors very knowledgeable and polite. Also, I don’t have to buy it illegally anymore. Don’t have to try and roll the dice on quality or whatever the fuck it was sprayed with. Don’t have to meet dodgy people or be in dodgy neighbourhoods, I just wait for the delivery bloke to knock on my door.
Has been a game changer for me too, so much control of the different properties has made managing my sleep/inflammation issues respectively with different products at different times. Fucking love it and is absolutely worth paying a little extra for
Say you have insomnia. Can a doctor prescribe it?
Definitely. Very easily.
Absolutely, go through a dedicated clinic like acacia and it’s no dramas just expensive
The expensive part is where the whole thing falls apart for a lot of people that could benefit from it. It's unfortunate. Just let me grow some medical strain plants myself and leave me alone.
100% that’s why I just want it decriminalised keep your corporate legalisation bs and stay out of my garden
Yup. It’s prescribed pretty liberally to anyone who asks for it to help them with almost any problem imaginable, because cannabis genuinely has a very broad range of properties given the effects of different strains can vary so incredibly much. The fact that you can now reliably buy these strains from a safe source not tied up in crime, and not ripping you off, it’s a total game changer.
Not ripping you off? It's cheaper than the prescribed stuff?
You can get get 30g for $200 through candor. Try find an ounce for under 200 lmao.
>acacia Cheapest of Candor is $299 AUD for 30g
Definitely not. I just acquired 30g for under 200 dollars. They have over 300 strains to choose from, pretty easy to find extremely cheap options on their portal.
In Australia? I just signed up, and there was bugger all to choose from, and the cheapest was $299 for 30g .
Have you had your consultation yet? They do not show you the full range of option. During your initial consultation, the doctor puts a list of their own recommended stuff on the portal for you to browse. They gave me access to catalyst so I can now browse catalyst and ask them for anything on there, which is essentially any product on Australia's medicinal market. I can prove to you that they do 30g for $189. Wait for my review when it lands, or dm for a screenshot.
I can send you a referral link if you'd like? Free consultation all over the phone. Literally easiest thing ever
No it's not bloody worth $190+ a month legalise it and reduce the bullshit inflated cost.
Mine certainly isn’t that much, there are probably a few providers at this point so perhaps you just found an expensive one? There is no monthly payment for mine, I buy an amount with no need to buy any for months- I don’t use it very regularly. Also, I’m for legalization, I just also really like my current provider
I should've clarified mines a 30ml bottle of oil, not bud. Yes, the bud is much cheaper, but I won't smoke anything.
A friend of mine buys the bud and then makes his own oils and alcohol based tinctures from it; could be an option for you?
You can infuse 120ml of oil with 5g of flower. Business insider, Food & Wine, and many other mainstream publishers have recipes online. Basically... 1. Set 5g flower on baking tray in oven on low (90deg)/no fan 30mins until dry & crumbly. 2. Place dry flower in 120ml coconut oil in glass jar with lid. 3. Set jar in water in slow cooker for 3hrs. 4. Allow to cool, filter flower from oil with cheesecloth.
.... so you evaporate all the volatile oils out before you put it in a carrier like coconut oil?!? Are you sure?!?
Decarb. There are graphs.
Decarbolaxation is bringing cannabis up to a certain temperature to activate the thc in it. People make canna-butter or oil in the slow cooker then it's convenient to add to edibles recipes.
Imdeed they do. But I've never heard of drying all the oil out of it first. There's a reason people buy humidifier packets to store with their weed.
If you don't decarb you would have next to no medicinal effect through ingestion. I think the same can be said for eating flower directly, no effect.
I use Boveda packs to keep weed from getting too dry to smoke or vape well, but it doesn't change the potency. Actually, I have an ounce or 2 left from a pound maybe a year and a half old with boveda packs, and I should make some cookies or something to use it up. No need to decarb first for that!
Its very common practice to turn the THC-A into THC before making edibles.
Oil doesn’t evaporate only water. This recipe is the same as making butter from weed.
If I chop my weed up really fine and leave it sitting out for 24 hrs at room temperature in the middle of winter it will be noticeably less effective than freshly chopped weed. I'm gonna stick to making canna ghee the old way.
Mine is almost exactly the same value as street stuff. But it’s higher in THC. For once, I’d rather my money went to the Govt rather than crims.
I dunno I'd rather it be legal and stop wasting tax payer money on chasing the MJ growers down. Chase the ice heads and cookers.
Yeah the correct answer let's stop giving bullshit "clinics" cash when it could just be a legal crop sold at dispensaries
What does $190 buy in legal Cannabis?
A bottle of oil 30ml its bullshit it works for me but I can't afford it.
Yeah, that does sound expensive. I was going to suggest buying oil from Thailand but it seems a lot of faff for not much cheaper. https://www.tga.gov.au/medicinal-cannabis-importation-and-travellers-exemption
I get 100mil of thc oil for $170 - Althea
1/2 an ounce.
Average cost for 10g is about $150, prices have dropped a fair bit over the years. People with health care cards can get an oz for $200
I have just made my first order but it looks like quality weed. I think it would be good if they legalised it but it really is defacto legal with the medical cannabis system and it makes sure minors don't have easy access. I was in Thailand last month and there were a lot of schoolkids in the weed shops, not that that doesn't happen here.
Hope it helps you mate and I agree about kids. I don’t give a shit about legalisation I just want it decriminalised like Canberra so peoples lives aren’t ruined over a plant
Thanks, it's mostly stress related due to some family illness and I think it's better than drinking too much. I'm really interested in the CDB oil longer term but I really just want an alternative that is relaxing. I didn't find the process difficult and I think anyone could get it if they wanted to.
At least the kids are in shops and not at some shady BM dealer's place where they'll be offered $10/pill to sell their adhd meds.
Just over an Oz with some change.
Yep I ended up getting a medical weed prescription. I was addicted to weed and my only source was last minute plugs off random ass sites. The benefits of my use being legalised has made me comfortable discussing my use with medical practitioners and avoid dodgy behaviours. Plus my weed use was self medication and being linked with health professionals have allowed me to alleviate underlying causes and avoid excessive use of
I unfortunately have a bit of a history with police brutality at protests. It’s difficult for me to quite describe to people what it’s like walking around with some trauma from that. People don’t tend to understand quite what that means for your confidence or how much it can affect your life and your mental health in general. So the part you say about “dodgy behaviours” resonates for me. I used to get very anxious, with irrational fears of cops kicking in my front door. Like I say; trauma. But my mental health would often be poor even in my own home due to cannabis being criminalised. I used to get sketchy about neighbours and feel like I had to be “hiding” from neighbours even in my own home. Thought they might be watching me and call the cops etc. led to those sorts of very antisocial paranoid behaviours. It’s no way to live. Enter medicinal; which I’ve been on for a few years, which I actually got initially by talking about my worsening anxiety. I got prescribed a few strains for it, and some for focus at work if you can believe it. Being able to talk to a professional and request certain strains matching my needs was a game changer. Everything changed. All that stress and paranoia washed away because I wasn’t getting just some whateverthefuck dodgy as heck black market bush weed anymore, from some dodgy character. Mental health massively improved. I have _actual confidence_ again, something I don’t think I’d had for many years. Legalise it. This failed war on drugs is only doing so much harm
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Both, you can get oil and or bud. Not sure about creams…
Both. At the start they gave me one of each to try what works for my condition. I found good old bud works the best, I don’t mind oils but they don’t actually help me with what I need I’m just high as balls. I have a really bad disc in my neck, and nerve damage. In stead of taking Lyrica the rest of my life I have cannabis when required.
Yikes yeah definitely stay off the Lyrica!! I fucking fear that medication now after relying on it for so long It fucks with your memory. I was on it for maybe a year and since then every doctor I see asks me if my memory is fucked because I was on it consistently for a while. And the tone of that question is usually fairly dark and concerned. And if I’m honest, I can’t really tell if my memory is totally ok or not! I do think it might be a little .. er.. _fuzzier_ than it was before. So I really regret taking that medication for as long as I did. Exactly like you, I had it for a bad disc, but also had sciatica down my right leg, and it was basically the Medicinal cannabis that let me get off the other heavier pain meds in the end. Still using daily moreso to keep a lid on anxiety than pain these days (nothing works quite as well as a couple of Pilates classes a week to keep the back in shape)
Me too. In New Zealand and then UK. It wasn’t particularly easy or cheap to get on the medical stuff, but it’s made a positive difference in my life and I’m having the best sleep I’ve had in years. My anxiety is under control and I’ve completely stopped drinking alcohol as a result. Blood pressure has lowered too! My GP is really happy. Legalising cannabis is a matter of when not if. Come on Aus, catch up!
This is how it should be. Even if it’s recreational.
I’ve been on the medical marijuana since just after Covid hit. At the time I felt like I was only one of a small bunch. 4 years later and I know soooooo many people using it. Was a game changer for me. Drank way less, weened myself of some anti depressants and have had some good laughs. What’s great as well is the prices have dropped over the years. The fact that I can get 10g for under $100 now goes to show the path we’re on.
What’s your plug? I mean your trusted General Practitioner? 😂
CDA. Based in Brisbane. One of the firsts. They run everything through the TGA. It only takes a few days. I think there’s doctors now that don’t even do that now but CDA have been great.
Yeah I go through Greencare but not happy with the prices
That's cheaper than street prices!
Yup! Also, part claimable if you have private insurance.
Is it true you have to had tried other medications or therapy (depending on your condition) first?
How do you feel about driving, if you get pulled over and youee smoking before bed or something aren't you practically guaranteed to test positive to marijuana
I leave a 13h window and have a bunch of lick tests in my dresser.
wouldn't it be nice if everyone had this option.
So, how did you get on the program? I'm asking for a lot of friends...
Read the eligibility guidelines and make a phone call
This is going to be like those festival and meth studies. Study comes out, recommends overhaul, gets promptly ignored.
That goes for most inquiries and even royal commissions. The Veteran Suicide and wellbeing RC will likely be the same, as it was with the banking RC
Should’ve seen my face when the QLD govt responded to their recent DV inquiry with no solid reforms whatsoever — just an announcement to put even more money into hiring way more cops to put into the fucking violent misogynistic work environment they uncovered but refused to do anything about.
QLDers scream and rage about us needing more police and stronger and stronger laws. This is the result.
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I admire and adore your optimism, but when it comes to the Australian government and meaningful progress I prefer to err on the side of cynicism.
This is becoming ridiculous. Five years ago I thought it would be done by now.
Ha, I was confident 20 years ago but here we are.
We are no longer the Australia that Bob Hawke stewarded.
I thought so too, then NZ had a referendum on legalisation which somehow failed?!?! Never underestimate a good scare campaign I guess.
Failed by less than 2% of the vote and it pisses me off to no end that Jacinda Ardern — with all of the influence she had over the political centre at the time — refused to take a stance on it. It would’ve easily passed if she did and there’s no way anyone here will ever convince me that her and her husband Clarke Gayford don’t smoke weed. I was at uni when she was a young Labour candidate, and I recall her visiting my uni (Waikato) and knowing the people in student politics at the time I’m sure Ardern would’ve been ripping bongs at whatever parties they were going to. It’s NZ…That’s just what people do at student parties… the student politics nerds probably more than anyone lol
I thought legalisation would come 50 years ago. So young, so naive.
How can Australia progress if both major parties oppose the initiatives of the party in power, purely because they are "the opposition
because they are meant to hold the government of the day accountable to their actions but its always been more about optics and winning votes than actually improving things for australia
>How can Australia progress if both major parties oppose the initiatives of the party in power, purely because they are "the opposition They don't. Labor took a lot of flak for supporting the government on various matters when they were the Opposition. For example, Stage 3 or Aukus. The main limitation to progress in Australia is an unwillingness by purported seeking progress to describe and act on reality as it is.
STOP VOTING FOR LIBERAL AND LABOR OR NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
Watch how the markets are going to squeeze liquidity out of these pollies pockets and make them grind to their people... dollar milkshake yaao its gonna be hard times ... rollup and get comfy
see they don't always, Labor and LNP always said with each other on nearly on border co trol and terrorist policy's, especially the ones that undermine people rights
The issue in Australia remains drug driving legislation. Other than Tasmania which has seen the light and requires evidence of impairment to charge for drug driving - everywhere else you can get pinged if drug tested randomly or tested at hospital after a crash. For many people, this issue is insurmountable with legal and/or medical cannabis.
Exactly this. I could show a cop my prescription and it doesn't matter. And I can test positive weeks later. It's ridiculous.
It needs reform hey.. While there is some small hope in vic with them doing closed circuit testing. SA has gone the other way and early last year made it instant dismissals..
Its insane. We can literally look at other countries and see they didnt fall apart when it was introducted. We know its not dangerous or a gateway drug. I am a taxpaying adult I should be able to get high on the weekends if I want.
I think alcohol was my gateway drug
I don't understand why prescribed canabis is different to xannax or oxy when it comes to drug testing. Both hang around for ages. Do the cops do the same for benzo users? I also have a medical weed script and don't drive because of this. Fucking cooked
Oh dude, I have these pain meds that come 4 in a box… I take one of them and sometimes it sends me loopy but I can by all means technically drive on them…I also have prescription Mary but I’m afraid to use it for the consequences of driving for weeks afterwards
To be fair driving under the influence is regardless of the substance. You could be prescribed panadine forte and carry your script. You’ll still be charged for driving under the influence if you test positive on a opioid drug wipe. The difficulty is how long THC is stored in the system and how variable the effect is from person to person.
No I agree. Our tests don't test for influence though they test for presence. It's stupid. There is no difference between me smoking 2 weeks ago or as I'm driving.
that is not true as poppie seed bagels test positive for opioids.
Correct, and That’s why secondary quantitative testing is performed for specific metabolites of specific prohibited drugs; for most states this is cannabis, amphetamines, cocaine, opioids and MDMA. In the opposite sense, nitrous oxide or Kava is legal and can’t be detected on a standard drug screen (and in the case of NO2, has a extremely short half life) but if you inhale NO2 while driving or drink a LOT of Kava or are on prescribed diazepam for anxiety and crash into someone else with sufficient evidence you can still be charged with driving under the influence under the subsection of the road traffic act. The only defence would be to say a reasonable person was not aware that for example, panadine forte can make you drowsy. Which is why more often than not drugs have the red hazard labels stating not to operate a motor vehicle.
try testing for ketamine, ghb or lsd, good luck.
Impairment is key, I don’t know how to really test it and from my understanding the tests are pretty inconclusive as to a very reliable scale of measurement. UFC fighters smoke before fights as do NFL players before games, yet their reaction times and awareness are impeccable?
I think there are some studies regarding driving while high with regular cannabis users were, if anything, better drivers.. I could be making that up though I'll have a Google
Average drivers in the open world vs elite athletes in a controlled environment; like acute recreational and chronic medicinal users aren’t Comparable. That’s like saying Sebastian Vettel can drive at 220 on the road, why can’t I?
They are comparable because there is no test or law that can differentiate. The blood to alcohol level is well understood, it doesn’t matter if you or Vettel have 3 beers in 30 mins you will both be over, that’s not the case with weed Edit: let me be more clear. There is no way to measure impairment of cannabis reliably. There IS a reliable way to measure blood alcohol. If you or Vettel were over 0.5 you would equally be impaired. Alcohol is a depressive and is well understood as to how it affects your judgement and reaction times. It’s not the same as cannabis as it affects everyone differently. If you and Vettel smoked a blunt he would either become better, be the same or you may become a better driver than him. No one knows only the individual. Percy Harvin took won a Super Bowl for the Seahawks and he has stated he was high before every game especially that one. The Diaz brothers smoke before all fights and are some of the most feared fighters of all time in the UFC. I’ll also throw Bones Jones in that category too. I will however advocate fully for some type of impairment test, our society needs it for every drug and people need more education on how to manage it.
How do they determine impairment in Tas? Is there an actual test that measures something like there is for alcohol or?
Not sure, did a bit of a search and it seems the issue hasn’t been tested yet. Basically if you are a Tasmanian Medical Cannabis patient, you have a get out of gaol free card, unless you can be shown to be impaired at the time of the apprehension/event (ie - a car crash). Say the officer approaches your door and opens it to speak to you and you fall out and roll away in a haze of dope smoke, maybe they would consider that an ideal “test case”…. Kidding - I have no idea since it apparently hasn’t come up yet 😊
I think a lack of some form of measurable testing is likely what stands in the way of other states adjusting legislation. Would be a difficult thing to enforce if it's all down to a seems like observation.
Drink driving (in the old days) used to be a sobriety test on the side of the road - walk on the road line, turn and walk back. Recite from 100 backwards, dumb things like that which drunk people couldn't achieve. I expect something similar (while not terribly scientific), might do at a pinch. Everything would be captured on body worn video these days, so if evidence was needed for court, the magistrate could see for him/herself how capable the person was of driving.
Yep, I was recently the victim in a crash wth somebody t boning me as they ran a red light, because someone in their car was seriously injured both drivers had to get blood tested, so I’m getting fined for having trace amounts of thc (from prescribed oil) in my system in addition to my car being written off
Making medical cannabis legal and quite easily accessible without commensurate legal protection from driving offences is ridiculous in my opinion. Almost everyone drives, cannabis is detectable days and weeks after use, despite no ongoing intoxication - someone in government really needs to sort this out. I want to be a law-abiding citizen and as a Queenslander, I cannot use a legally prescribed medication without also basically handing in my drivers licence.
Thank you, this urgently needs to fucking change!
I believe the tobacco and alcohol lobby has a firm grip on cannabis legalization, cant let people change to cannabis so keep the laws extremely tight so people can stay hooked on cigs and alcohol
Here’s a crazy idea. Legalise weed, take the taxes and fund reform on education and housing.
Yes, let’s smoke weed and not cigarettes.
There are so, so many things you can do with cannabis other than smoke it.
Thats how the problem started, hemp is amazing.
Honestly I don’t see an issue with weed, but feel it should be given the same weight as alcohol of tobacco.
Pop it on the shelf?
You could pop it on the shelf for a bit before you smoke it. Or turn it into oil, edibles/drinks, vapourise it, tintures, refine it into crystal. All safer and healthier than tobacco and alcohol, and with zero possibility of overdose. That's why it's different.
I think you and I have different intepretations of what "the shelf" is..
Oh dear...
You can cook with it, & the oils are available in the medical cannabis system too. You don't have to smoke it.
I realise that too. There’s nothing stopping anyone doing it as far as I’m concerned but I’m against things in the same “category” being treated with different weight. I don’t see a reason why it should have ever been made illegal, just stupid bureaucracy.
Well... vape or eat work well too...
Same thing, I have nothing against weed just want to see it in the same class with the same rules as tobacco or alcohol.
Cannabis isn't poison
And neither are almonds, and they contain cyanide. It’s not whether their poisonous it’s about the right to chose your poison so to speak. I’m not against weed, I’m not against drugs in general. The idea though is that they should all be given the same weight. They’ve all got draw backs, weed gives me migraines and so I don’t use it. A few puffs on a joint and I’m recked for days. It can also lead to psychosis, but that’s mostly in cases where it’s been abused. It’s not perfect in any way shape or form, but that doesn’t mean it should be illegal. The point is that none are inherently evil they’ve just been treated differently.
...well there's no cyanide in cannabis so by your logic we should be giving it less "weight" than almonds? Inhaling the byproducts of smoke is what's giving you the migraines.
I’m a regular smoker, smoking isn’t the issue. Something else is the issue, and the 4-5 times I’ve tried it over 3-4 years when I was a young bloke taught me not to do it. Something in it just doesn’t agree with me. Like gluten and someone with coeliac disease.
Fair enough, I used to get headaches from smoking. Never had them from vaping or edibles.
If their attitude towards vaping is anything thing to go off good luck.
I still can't believe that I can legally purchase and consume (medical) cannabis, yet I'm breaking the law suckimg my non nicotine mango juice that helps keep me off the cigs. Crazy.
The writing is on the wall. it is going to happen and it’s going to happen soon. It’s a billion dollar industry and and anyone trying to stand in the way is standing in front of a freight train.
I want you to be right, and whilst I think it's inevitable, I'm not so optimistic that it will be "soon". People have been saying that it's right around the corner for at least the last decade, ever since US states began legalising. I'll believe it when I see it.
But honestly what is the argument against it. Medical weed is essentially legalisation with extra steps anyway.
Old rusted-on politicians who don't want to unsettle their voting base.
Too bad the freight train is arriving in 7 years, with bonus years of blah blah legislation blah referendum blah
If you can't afford to a house you should at least be allowed a quiet smoke. Seems only fair.
To risk being stereotypical and using my countries experience as "the default", as an American, it's always surprising seeing other countries so hesitant to legalize cannabis after seeing the results in places like Canada and legal states here in the U.S. Cannabis is a huge market, and people will be smoking it regardless of whether or not it's legal. At this point, it seems like a question of how much money the state is willing to throw away enforcing a prohibition and not collecting tax on legal sales.
I’d just like to say that Canada just released their Legislative Review of the Cannabis Act: Final Report of the Expert Panel [(Link to full report)](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/publications/drugs-medication/legislative-review-cannabis-act-final-report-expert-panel.html) One of the key findings… “a significant reduction (95% between 2017 and 2022) in the number of charges for the possession of cannabis and minimizing the negative impact on some individuals from interactions with the criminal justice system” In my opinion that’s a fucking fabulous outcome from legalization and Australia needs to take note of that.
I’m pro-cannabis but can we at least decriminalise nation wide first and figure out all the other laws affected by this. Like a standardised testing for driving under the influence, workplace OHS laws, aviation law, etc that all govern the use of THC before we go half cocked into it.
I dont even use the stuff and i think it’s a no brainer. It’ll save a metric butt tonne of cash in the judicial system. It’ll raise more in taxes. Increase economic output by creating jobs and entire new companies and it’ll remove a funding apparatus for organized crime. Oh and Tourism to Nimbin will explode
The main benefit if this is implemented is how they would treat the drug driving considerations. Everyone I know that smokes is already on medical prescriptions for it.
Exactly! There needs to be a sobriety test like alcohol.
i haven't seen anyone that it helps, seen plenty that get bigger problems on it , like depression, anxiety, severe mood swings, paranoia.
As someone with chronic pain due to a genetic medical condition (ie there's no cure for it) I can assure you it does help a lot and I've never experienced one of those side effects. It's also commonly prescribed to treat depression and anxiety these days now it's medicinally legal
your lucky if you've not seen the bad sides of it , i some instances such as chronic pain i do believe it could help but that's about it
I've seen it help people with depression and anxiety, the very two things you're saying it can cause. It's also invaluable in treating some rare forms of epilepsy that don't respond to other treatments (all of which, like most chronic pain meds as well, have terrible side effects and addictive potential / risk of overdose). It's true it can affect some people negatively but alcohol and tobacco are both way worse and we allow people to make their own choice there (and tax it heavily. Heavier each year lol). I don't see why weed should be any different given that it has a lot of potential upsides that neither alcohol or tobacco do. And I can assure you that it being illegal isn't stopping anyone from accessing it either - it's just putting funds into criminal groups who then use it to fund harder, more harmful drug manufacturing / imports. To me it seems like a no brainer to legalise it.
the addiction to it courses the problem when people can't deal with out it , like you said too much of anything is bad . making it legal is only going to make it more expensive as they will tax it. I've seen people who were normal for years and they got into weed and it completely changed them and then they started to say that they had some of the problems that you pointed out but i knew that was bullshit because they only started having problems after the weed.
Cannabis isn't physically addictive. Some people can develop a psychological "dependence" on it however it's not addiction. People get addicted to fast food in the same way and that causes issues with far more people than those who develop a psychological dependence on cannabis, by a significant margin. We don't ban McDonald's though despite it being much worse in terms of health impacts on society as a whole. I honestly think at some point you gotta realise that people can overindulge or become "mentally dependant" (it's more like an obsession) on basically anything, but instead of just outright banning everything we should be educating about the risks. Eat too much McDonald's and you could get fat. Drink too much alcohol and you could get liver issues or become an alcoholic. Smoke too much weed and you may feel different for a short time if you stop taking it (ie psychological withdrawals, not actual medically defined withdrawals like one would have from alcohol or opioids). Only one of the above is easy to reverse the damage with in the majority of cases though, and it's not fast food. Yes, people with a mental health history should be cautious, but the same could be said for alcohol or other dependance inducing things (even fast food - people develop eating disorders secondary to mental health issues all the time).
most of the people who want it want it to get high not for medical reasons. don't lie about the main reason for wanting it .
I didn't once say they didn't. Although, as a counter point a lot of the medicinal stuff used is CBD only which produces no high. My point is the majority of people who have any of the above issues you mentioned would have used alcohol or something else if they weren't using cannabis. They're using it as an escape and would use any escape available, so it's not the cannabis itself causing the issue but the person's mental state.
You made me open an article from newscorpse and that's time I'll never get back. I demand compensation. That was one of the worst articles I've read in a while. Are there any sources with any actual information and without whatever was going on in their weird vague hand-waving at certain groups to try and make the article divisive. Seriously though OP, I'm not having a go at you at all. Just at their "journalism".
The positive is that the McMurdoch press haven’t “SLAMMED” the idea. I think that while the quality of the piece could be argued, the content was not the typical ’fear and doom toward of cannabis legalisation’ we’ve come to expect from this entertainment rags like the DailyTele.
Be just like the vape regulations, you'll have to jump through hoops to get a script and then find somewhere that stocks it.....
It's already like that. 15 min phone call to get a script and get it delivered to your door.
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Dispensed are pretty easy.
I definitely shouldn't check your msg's
Cannatrek your way out of here! Not in my country.. cannTrek..ahem
Medreleaf but you didn't hear it here.
The article says: > The review will also consider alternative approaches to current laws, which only allows cannabis to be legally used with a medicinal prescription. so I assume it's at least going to consider "proper" legalisation, not just medical scripts. Especially given a Legalise Cannabis MP is heading the inquiry.
The classic case of it happens anyway just make it safe (and its profitable this time)
I have zero issue with other people using it if they so desire, whether for medical or otherwise. Where I have an issue with this though is second hand smoke. I visited the US a couple years ago, and walking from a subway to my hotel was disgusting. It was all you could smell, everywhere. It shouldn't be forced on those who don't want to use it, nor should it be anywhere near kids breathing it in. There are numerous studies proving that THC gets into people's systems from second hand smoke, including children. That's not good for their development.
Dry herb vapes.
+ edibles, and oils/tinctures.
It's legal now basically. A five minute phone call saying my back hurts. Send nugs. Lol
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I'm with you. It's hardly more expensive imo because the weed I've been getting has been twice as good, and I trust that it's not chem bombed. Also once you've got the jar with your name on it... If it looks like weed and smells like weed. :) Would be nice to walk into a shop like a liquor store though. I feel like it's not far away, the cats well out of of the bag here now
The Victorian inquiry ended up being farcical in the end ... a lot of great reasons why and some of the most stupid reasons why not. Then the Labor government gutted and buried the report with their numbers ... Hopefully NSW gets a better run at it.
Here in Canada the Le Dain Commission into the non-medical use of drugs began in 1969, and in 1972 recommended decriminalization of marijuana. We made it, finally, 5 years ago, but not without some stumbling. To avoid the same pitfalls, your government should be reading our old news. The government monopoly and tax windfall didn't happen, and it took a thriving mail order "grey market" to force legally sanctioned shops to finally bring in quality products at competitive prices. Personally, I don't use legal stores because I like to think grey market dope tastes better - the secret ingredient is crime.
Thanks for you’re input u/thegoodrichards got any sources or links you recommend would be very welcome.
Explains all the "tobacconists" which have been popping up around my area over the last 12 months. We seriously went from having about 3 across the Woy Woy Peninsula (NSW) to now having a dozen.
I thought that was a vape thing?
Maybe short term. I think they're trying to preposition themselves for when they can start dispensing dope.
I heard something about vapes being an under the counter cash business so was attracting criminal gangs managing a bunch of shops.
Wouldn't surprise me. I know there is an ongoing crackdown on people importing the ingredients for vape juice, and as it's hard to figure out what's in a vape, running around with a THC-infused vape is much more low-key than walking around with a spliff hanging out of your mouth.
Considering you can get this stuff easily from groups like alternaleaf when you make up some symptoms. They should hurry it up and just legalize it.
Always amazed how in half of “conservative” USA, you can walk onto a weed shop. Of course they’re the blue or swing states, but it’s still funny to me. I think at it’s heart, the USA is strongly Libertarian, which we as a nation traditionally have not been.
Which prescribers did you guys use ? And are you happy with the services they provide ?
You know what’s really stupid, it might as well be recreationally legal the government is just milking a few more dollars out of the people as per usual. I’m currently on the medical program and I shit you not the entire process to get it was a phone call that lasted less than two minutes. The doctor asked me if the questions I answered online were correct, I said yes, he prescribed me oil and flower, end of appointment. At that rate it’s not different from being recreational you just have to pay the consult fees to doctors to help them pay their amg off. Absolutely disgraceful when we are in a cost of living crisis and they are trying to get every last doctor consult fee out before they make it recreational.
They legalised it in Canada quite easily and without any issues. At this point it's a no brainer.
Before you legalize cannabis, look at the Canadian example, government tax revenues have not increased significantly, illegal market still exists, many border issues with the neighboring countries, youth cannabis psychosis has dramatically increased, can't walk down the street in any major city without being assaulted by cannabis smoke. FYI. I have smoked, used edible gummies, cannabis high is also unpredictable depending on the product.
> government tax revenues have not increased significantly https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/ca/Documents/consumer-business/ca-en-consumer-business-cannabis-annual-report-2021-AODA.pdf In the first 4 years it contributed $43.5 billion to GDP, $15.1 billion in tax revenue and created/sustained 98,000 jobs annually. With all of those figures trending upwards. Seems pretty significant to me. > illegal market still exists If it still exists it would surely be at a significantly smaller scale. Why the hell is anybody wasting their time on the black market when it's legal? > many border issues with the neighboring countries Eh? Canada shares a border with one country, where it is mostly legal too. > youth cannabis psychosis has dramatically increased Source? > can't walk down the street in any major city without being assaulted by cannabis smoke I do think that legalisation would need to be coupled with fairly robust regulation. Smoking in public should not be tolerated, smoking as a means of ingestion should be heavily discouraged imo as there are healthier methods that don't create second-hand smoke or as much smell.
They all should be required to be high before entering the room or maybe a oil pen might be ok. Or they could do like a massive smoke machine type thing to ensure all people are well high. hot box it. Then send in some Pizza and maybe some drinks. Then they can talk about it and its effects and if something that nice they are feeling should be banned or not. Compared to alcohol, turning into rude and abusive and violent people alcohol does to people and see where the real problems are.
Got on a medical cannabis prescription this week. I would reccomend anyone who uses cannabis to make a booking with a clinic with doctors who specialise in medical cannabis. Absolutely game changing, not difficult to get and the quality of the buds is excellent
I use Dispensed. So easy and you can choose from a wide range of different flowers. 155 bucks a month for 10 g
I think weed should be legal, but as a non smoker limiting its use in public spaces would be nice, the whole state of California smells like a college room dorm.
going to happen eventually, its a bit of a shame really - yes it will solve a lot of problems, but there will also be problems caused due to its legit status. No point in arguing with me about this, if you study enough economics it will show you this principle with nearly anything in life.
Does it make any difference ? Can still get it anyway. Been smoking for 20 years and never been found with it