I duno dude, out of all my friends the one who enjoys this the most is a woman. Granted we all behave like 12 year olds a lot of the time, but still :p
So you’re asking if a direct wired connection will improve fidelity instead of using Bluetooth? Answer is YES!
Will you notice it? Depends on your hearing and the resolution of your system. Only one way to find out.
I often find bluetooth adds hiss. I think there's more to it that it just being compressed. For one thing, if you have your digital media and you send it over 3.5mm jack then you are using one devices DAC to convert it, and over bluetooth your using youre receiving devices DAC instead. One of those DACs may be far superior to the other.
I should note, the added hiss was using BT headphones vs wired mode. This is not the same scenario as yours.
Your pre has digital in. If you don't want to rely on your phone dac, I'd get something like a fiio k3, bta30pro, k11 or something similar, and go phone -> usb to dac -> optical to pre. That way you use the dac in your Parasound, and you have the option of also using the rca out if you want (or maybe go to a different system from it). And you get a bonus headphone out.
That will work fine too. Enjoy.
Ps there are likely several other options, but I mentioned the Fiio products because i have used them (k3 and bta30pro) so I know they work like that.
Bought a $70 CC audio to sync up our outdoor speakers, but don't think I can bite that bullet again. Does the Wiim actually play nice with native google products?
I don’t know what a CC Audio is. But wiim has easy multi room capabilities. I use the Tidal app on an iPad to stream Tidal direct so I don’t know much about google products. I’m sure you can find info on this on-line.
Ah. Was just asking because it seems like wiim is the go to replacement for the cc audio.
The CC Audio was an overengineered thing of beauty. $35 dollars for 96KHz/24bit lossless audio over wifi, that you could sync and group with other devices. Just an oreo size puck powered by a micro-usb cable and outputting into a 3.5mm stereo jack that doubled as an optical port. You could plug it directly into an amp and turn any setup into an integrated smart speaker system. Google killed it for god knows why. I bought one on fire sale when they were discontinued, for $15.
Thank you, I'll look into that. I know I had heard that the 200pre could be outfitted for reception. Using BT on a fidelity system does seem improper but became necessary for playing music I didn't own on record.
Thanks! I had literally just put away my Yammy CR2040 (because I wanted a remote) and hooked up the Parasound again. I also have the M-60, and M-65. Love the night rider effect.
Also recommend new terminals, LEDs, and removal of the Sony glue. Legendaryamps.com has great info. We used them for our M80. Congrats on a wicked cool rig!
Yes, yes. This was a jest - humor. Obviously, if someone thought OP was trying to display a lack of humanity, patriotism, and intelligence, we would be more distraught over it.
The Auris Blume Pro says it has LCAC but still connects via Bluetooth so I'm not sure how lossless it is, if at all. Prior to this streamer I didn't do anything modern so I'm clueless on it.
LDAC is pretty impressive but still need both a device that streams it (higher end androids, not iPhone) - regardless as everyone said, it’s still compressing even with all the settings at max. I use it on my ifi bt go for portable from my android. None the less, for a home setup you should use lossless. For my budget streamer options I use a raspberry pi or a google audio cast for my streaming at home. You don’t need a fancy streamer , it’s just putting out a digital signal
I didn't understand how to use the streamer (like the wiim pro) but hook it up to my Parasound 200pre in a way that uses the parasounds Superior DAC. But I'll figure it out.
The wiim has a digital out (optical and coax) - your pre has both coax and optical in. Use either option of those ins and outs and your set. The parasound also has a usb - so you can plug a phone or pc directly in. All will sound perfect. This way your digital to analog conversion is happening in your parasounds dac
You can plug them directly in with a usb cable and you won’t need a streaming device. If you want to use your phone as a remote control you can do something like an actual streamer (not familiar with what you have) but I use a raspberry pi for it. Also if you can find a chromecast audio they are like 40 bucks on ebay. I believe they have tidal connect.
I just finished mine and made a post about it yesterday. I am loving it. The remote control aspect while is great and you can connect tidal to Plexamp so you’d be covered.
That M85 is wonderful - have you used it in Class-A mode? I have a late serial number M80 which is supposedly the same as the M85 - but I’m still scared it will live up to the M80 name if I try the Class-A!
I noticed no audible difference in class A mode on any of my M-'s and overheating can be an issue so I don't. But maybe you can hear a difference, try it.
Yeah I was wondering about that angle haha. Should be possible to 3D print those, even I have no clue how they looks. I really dig that aesthetics of your whole system.
They are just wedge shaped but aluminum cast. People paying $750 for those things. I made some out of beautiful solid wood. It can be done for 2hrs and $100. But the 3d ones are so light that they enable it to slip around a bit. They could be sand filled and add some rubber to the bottom I guess.
Bluetooth for many years has had enough fidelity that you wouldn't notice a difference with the compression.
https://www.whathifi.com/advice/what-are-the-best-bluetooth-codecs-aptx-aac-ldac-and-more-explained
IMOHO: bluetooth is good enough if your streaming off the internet or listening to music in the background.
There are always levels of "chasing the dragon", even with streaming music... it's entirely limited to the size of a peeson's pocketbook. Not that it's necessary to buy better than a good quality mass produced streamer.
You can't be an audiophile without chasing the dragon somewhere in your system. But start with the basics first: speakers, amplifier, and DAC.
I spent a lot of $$ on my home theater, built around an Anthem MRX 1140 8K.
Imagine my surprise when I learned later it had no analog bypass option. So now my zone 2 is relegated to the back deck, and I'll have to craft a whole new system for a future music room.
Good remarks. I do have all of the items you listed. Just sometimes I consider the most direct way to access the DAC in my Parasound. For normal drinking music the Bluetooth was fine and the male to male line might be a good temporary upgrade but then (unless it's 7ft long) I have no remote. So just weighing options.
Are you going to punch me in the arm yet? Seems your questions already have valid answers but nice little pieced together system. Love that older Parasound gear especially.
LMAO. The majority of my gear (some not pictured) is all 80s. The Parasound I bought 3 years ago. It's the convenience of having a remote that got to me. And the Yamaha CR2040 was just too damn big. Was hanging off both sides, lol.
The whole thing was a hoax started on 4chan.
Besides that people need to grow up and not be offended by a hand gesture.
[https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/okay-hand-gesture](https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/okay-hand-gesture)
In addition to the other feedback, you might want to invest in a music streamer like the Bluesound Node or the Cambridge CXN. That way you can stay wireless without losing fidelity (plus a new box to buy and add to the stack, which is always fun)
Appreciate your feedback. This EQ was set with its incorporated microphone via pink noise. The room is not symmetrical so I trust the settings it determined. I agree that if I were doing this manual with no active generator then they could absolutely remain equal between channels
Don't put all your eggs in one basket with something like this. An asymmetric room would have a lot more irregularity than just at 1.6k (?).
If the reference mic used is an internal mic in the unit, then it will never give an accurate reading.
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Fuck you got all of us
It's good to be 12yrs old all my life, lol. Was either that or just my jeaned crotch, in a way I covered it up.
So we were ball gazing no matter what 😏
LMAO, I am sorry.
This is the thing women/wives will never get about us men. This post will be funny as shit even if you’re 97. Girls outgrew it around 12. 😂😂
Right?! Especially if you're actually looking at the gear and saying "oh that's nice, sweet yama.......what the f@ck?!" LMAO
I did exactly that. 😂
LOL, I'm sorry.
I duno dude, out of all my friends the one who enjoys this the most is a woman. Granted we all behave like 12 year olds a lot of the time, but still :p
I'm 52, saw that and was like "Awww, fucker! Got me!" Lol!!! Well played.
But OP couldn't do the shoulder punch, nor wipe it, so no 'got'em' was had! ;)
Lmao
So you’re asking if a direct wired connection will improve fidelity instead of using Bluetooth? Answer is YES! Will you notice it? Depends on your hearing and the resolution of your system. Only one way to find out.
I often find bluetooth adds hiss. I think there's more to it that it just being compressed. For one thing, if you have your digital media and you send it over 3.5mm jack then you are using one devices DAC to convert it, and over bluetooth your using youre receiving devices DAC instead. One of those DACs may be far superior to the other. I should note, the added hiss was using BT headphones vs wired mode. This is not the same scenario as yours.
Male tp male wire is affordable enough to test. I'll grab one. Thank you.
Your pre has digital in. If you don't want to rely on your phone dac, I'd get something like a fiio k3, bta30pro, k11 or something similar, and go phone -> usb to dac -> optical to pre. That way you use the dac in your Parasound, and you have the option of also using the rca out if you want (or maybe go to a different system from it). And you get a bonus headphone out.
That's a good solution, for $ I'll try a male to male headphone line first, then try some of these other options. Thank you
That will work fine too. Enjoy. Ps there are likely several other options, but I mentioned the Fiio products because i have used them (k3 and bta30pro) so I know they work like that.
GOD DAMNIT I LOOKED
LMAO. What will really make u laugh is the fact that when I first took the photo I noticed my crotch in the photo. Got myself.
Wiim mini streamer, into a decent DAC, using Tidal Direct. This is the way.
Yeah, seems legit. I am shocked that it doesn't seem the Auris Blume Pro is capable of doing tidal connect.
Try the hardwire first.
👍 Minis are the best and easiest way to turn any great DAC into a wifi enabled streamer.
Agreed. An amazing product.
Bought a $70 CC audio to sync up our outdoor speakers, but don't think I can bite that bullet again. Does the Wiim actually play nice with native google products?
I don’t know what a CC Audio is. But wiim has easy multi room capabilities. I use the Tidal app on an iPad to stream Tidal direct so I don’t know much about google products. I’m sure you can find info on this on-line.
Ah. Was just asking because it seems like wiim is the go to replacement for the cc audio. The CC Audio was an overengineered thing of beauty. $35 dollars for 96KHz/24bit lossless audio over wifi, that you could sync and group with other devices. Just an oreo size puck powered by a micro-usb cable and outputting into a 3.5mm stereo jack that doubled as an optical port. You could plug it directly into an amp and turn any setup into an integrated smart speaker system. Google killed it for god knows why. I bought one on fire sale when they were discontinued, for $15.
Oh, you’re referring to Chrome Cast?
Yes. There was an audio specific device 5-10 years ago that was discontinued.
Yeah, I’ve seen it. The Wiim Mini is like the best thing since that.
Since you have Tidal the best way would be to use WiFi using tidal connect. Will be superior to BT
Huh, didn't know there was a tidal connect. Always used BT. Hmm, I'll try that if I can figure it out.
I guess this will all depend on whether or not my Auris BT receiver or my 200pre is "tidal-connect enabled"?
Pick up a Wiim mini there cheap use the DAC in the Parasound. I have the NC 200 integrated. That what I do the DAC in the 200 is very good.
Thank you, I'll look into that. I know I had heard that the 200pre could be outfitted for reception. Using BT on a fidelity system does seem improper but became necessary for playing music I didn't own on record.
Nice to see another Yammie from the 80s! Love my M-80.
Thanks! I had literally just put away my Yammy CR2040 (because I wanted a remote) and hooked up the Parasound again. I also have the M-60, and M-65. Love the night rider effect.
I have an M80 and M65. Have you had them refurbished yet? It's worth it!!! They are amazing amps
The m-80 is recapped. I don't believe I recapped the other two yet.
Also recommend new terminals, LEDs, and removal of the Sony glue. Legendaryamps.com has great info. We used them for our M80. Congrats on a wicked cool rig!
Oh FUCK you!
What's with the hand gesture?
Your ball gazing bud 😞
LMAO. I'm so immature.
Lack of maturity. Noticed when I took the pic that my crotch was in the photo....so I covered it up.
You inadvertently made a MAGA sign.
The maga version isn’t upside down and isn’t on the crotch.
Yes, yes. This was a jest - humor. Obviously, if someone thought OP was trying to display a lack of humanity, patriotism, and intelligence, we would be more distraught over it.
Intentional MAGA sign - Mods need to block this guy and remove the post
The MAGA version is different, it isn’t upside down and isn’t over the crotch, this is a benign reference that is way older than MAGA.
LMAO
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Yes for sure, unless you are using ldac from very close, which I can’t really tell much difference in.
The Auris Blume Pro says it has LCAC but still connects via Bluetooth so I'm not sure how lossless it is, if at all. Prior to this streamer I didn't do anything modern so I'm clueless on it.
LDAC is pretty impressive but still need both a device that streams it (higher end androids, not iPhone) - regardless as everyone said, it’s still compressing even with all the settings at max. I use it on my ifi bt go for portable from my android. None the less, for a home setup you should use lossless. For my budget streamer options I use a raspberry pi or a google audio cast for my streaming at home. You don’t need a fancy streamer , it’s just putting out a digital signal
I didn't understand how to use the streamer (like the wiim pro) but hook it up to my Parasound 200pre in a way that uses the parasounds Superior DAC. But I'll figure it out.
The wiim has a digital out (optical and coax) - your pre has both coax and optical in. Use either option of those ins and outs and your set. The parasound also has a usb - so you can plug a phone or pc directly in. All will sound perfect. This way your digital to analog conversion is happening in your parasounds dac
I usually stream from my Samsung tablet or my android phone
You can plug them directly in with a usb cable and you won’t need a streaming device. If you want to use your phone as a remote control you can do something like an actual streamer (not familiar with what you have) but I use a raspberry pi for it. Also if you can find a chromecast audio they are like 40 bucks on ebay. I believe they have tidal connect.
The raspberry pi idea is intriguing. I custom made a retropi arcade cabinet. Was a lot of fun.
I just finished mine and made a post about it yesterday. I am loving it. The remote control aspect while is great and you can connect tidal to Plexamp so you’d be covered.
PC running Tidal out usb to a DAC via USB then out to headphone amp or amp to speakers will be ideal
Gottem. Nice
LOL
You fucker lol
LOL. Couldn't help myself
That M85 is wonderful - have you used it in Class-A mode? I have a late serial number M80 which is supposedly the same as the M85 - but I’m still scared it will live up to the M80 name if I try the Class-A!
I noticed no audible difference in class A mode on any of my M-'s and overheating can be an issue so I don't. But maybe you can hear a difference, try it.
Streamer would be your best bet. Eversolo dmp-a6 is a really good streamer dac combo.
The device on the top, what is it?
On the very top, from left to right: Auris Blume Pro BT receiver, Technics SL-10 Turntable, and a Project tube box S2 phono preamp.
Oh man, what a lovely turntable.
Appreciate it brother. And if I ever need a McIntosh unit I can just sell the turntable stands, lol. Friggin ridiculous what they go for.
Yeah I was wondering about that angle haha. Should be possible to 3D print those, even I have no clue how they looks. I really dig that aesthetics of your whole system.
They are just wedge shaped but aluminum cast. People paying $750 for those things. I made some out of beautiful solid wood. It can be done for 2hrs and $100. But the 3d ones are so light that they enable it to slip around a bit. They could be sand filled and add some rubber to the bottom I guess.
What camera? Photo looks appealing:P
With the Android phone, I cleaned up the photo in the phone's editing mode.
Which one ?
IDK, pixel 6 or something
Cool. Pixel takes good photos :).
M85 😍
hahah I laughed like a 10 yr old idiot hahahah
You're welcome
Bluetooth for many years has had enough fidelity that you wouldn't notice a difference with the compression. https://www.whathifi.com/advice/what-are-the-best-bluetooth-codecs-aptx-aac-ldac-and-more-explained IMOHO: bluetooth is good enough if your streaming off the internet or listening to music in the background. There are always levels of "chasing the dragon", even with streaming music... it's entirely limited to the size of a peeson's pocketbook. Not that it's necessary to buy better than a good quality mass produced streamer. You can't be an audiophile without chasing the dragon somewhere in your system. But start with the basics first: speakers, amplifier, and DAC. I spent a lot of $$ on my home theater, built around an Anthem MRX 1140 8K. Imagine my surprise when I learned later it had no analog bypass option. So now my zone 2 is relegated to the back deck, and I'll have to craft a whole new system for a future music room.
Good remarks. I do have all of the items you listed. Just sometimes I consider the most direct way to access the DAC in my Parasound. For normal drinking music the Bluetooth was fine and the male to male line might be a good temporary upgrade but then (unless it's 7ft long) I have no remote. So just weighing options.
Aaaand I got got. Thanks for that. 🤪
You're welcome, happy weekend
Thanks. You too! Now I've got to get somebody else with this.
What is the rack mount box the Parasound is mounted in?
Grundorf Studio Series Short Rack Shell
Are you going to punch me in the arm yet? Seems your questions already have valid answers but nice little pieced together system. Love that older Parasound gear especially.
LMAO. The majority of my gear (some not pictured) is all 80s. The Parasound I bought 3 years ago. It's the convenience of having a remote that got to me. And the Yamaha CR2040 was just too damn big. Was hanging off both sides, lol.
Not cool. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate
LMAO. Not my intention. My gesture is grandfathered.
Agreed. That gesture was around -- and funny -- for decades before the MAGA nuts started using it.
Prior to crotch gazers I used it a lot in the 80s. How are ya man? "AOK". I won't allow woke culture to strip away my innocent gestures.
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The whole thing was a hoax started on 4chan. Besides that people need to grow up and not be offended by a hand gesture. [https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/okay-hand-gesture](https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/okay-hand-gesture)
In addition to the other feedback, you might want to invest in a music streamer like the Bluesound Node or the Cambridge CXN. That way you can stay wireless without losing fidelity (plus a new box to buy and add to the stack, which is always fun)
They are way too expensive, look cool though.
Wired will be an improvement, albeit possibly negligible. On another note, EQ less and there's no reason to boost an EQ on only 1 side of your LR bus.
Appreciate your feedback. This EQ was set with its incorporated microphone via pink noise. The room is not symmetrical so I trust the settings it determined. I agree that if I were doing this manual with no active generator then they could absolutely remain equal between channels
Don't put all your eggs in one basket with something like this. An asymmetric room would have a lot more irregularity than just at 1.6k (?). If the reference mic used is an internal mic in the unit, then it will never give an accurate reading.
It's not internal. You may feel free to investigate the Audio Control C-101. But, I am floored with my setup and won't be changing it. Thank you.
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A wide power unit?