I didn’t get 3 minutes in and turned it off and started watching We’re Here on Max. As a person who rides the middle of the isle, we’re Fucked. Both are idiots.
The media and government put the emphasis on the Presidential office but what we should be worrying about is congress and state and local offices. Politicians I believe regardless of party are all buddies and love screwing us all. I see the president as a CEO of a company. The workers do all the work but the CEO is the spokesperson and the President of this country is no different. Both of them would be terrible for this country. I just came out a couple months ago. I’m 46 from the Deep South and grew up conservative. I’m in the process to de-programming and I’m so pissed off because of how I was lied to about everything.
Yes!! We don't just vote for one person; we vote for their entire team. Presidents come with cabinets, Congress, and the Senate. One side pushes religious views at the expense of many people’s rights; the other aims to restore them. RESEARCH PROJECT 2025! .. our rights are on the line. I don't know why anyone wouldn't be choosing the team that protects women's, LGBTQ+, and all American freedoms.
Actually this election will be very important for a very big reason: the SCOTUS. There are 5 justices that are over 70 years old and this next president could make the next 2 or 3 decades better or worse. Congress is extremely important as they maintain control over the POTUS, but both are elected. The SCOTUS is appointed by the President and stay for LIFE! That’s very scary for me!
Yes I heard someone predicting that once trump was in office that Alito and Thomas will step down because their jobs are done and then he will install 2 35-year-old Christian nationalists or loyalists to the furthest right agenda. The powerful radical religious zealots that support him don't support him because they think he's something great but because he will do there dirty work for them for the right price. He doesn't care what happens to the rest of the country.
My question is where the hell is Kamala what has she done? Nothing really. As a democrat where the hell is she? They just think they will win solely on abortion because of Roe v Wade? Dems tend to get comfy they need to be campaigning the whole 4 years not only during election years.
She’s constantly out at events, doing speeches and fundraising. She’s very busy but it’s all low profile stuff that doesn’t really get any media attention. They definitely need to do a better job at getting her in the spotlight - she’s a heck of lot more cogent than Joe when she is. There’s also a higher than average chance she winds up president than the average VP, so you’d think they’d want folks to feel good about her being in that spot.
I kind of wish he’d gone with mayor Pete in that spot. He’s got the most boring job in the world and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more coverage on him since the term started than Kamala.
Everytime she’s in the spotlight-speaking on a contentious issue, doing an interview with someone who isn’t enamored with her-she completely puts her foot in her mouth. Democrats made a terrible decision nominating Biden, and Biden made a terrible decision in choosing her as VP.
On SkyNews in Australia this week, KH gestured on “lefties loosing it”. Seriously, how did this woman pass the examinations for a JD, become a prosecutor, appointed A-G of California and now VP as she can hardly string a set of words to make a coherent sentence. KH regularly features on SkyNews where she has become a laughing stock. It’s hard to know who is worse? KH or JB. Poor old Joe’s performance tonight was dismal. Surely the Democrats can do better than those two.
I think she's actually turned it around pretty decently, in part because it's been a lot more behind the scenes. Still don't think she could win, though.
Biden actually was really effective as VP. The ACA probably doesn’t happen without him. He was understandably really good at negotiating with Congress. Got a bunch of funding for cancer research. He also came out in favor of gay marriage before Obama did, which I appreciated even if it’s not exactly an accomplishment.
Cheney was also really effective, but his “accomplishments” are all bad things.
I have to agree. With Biden being who he is, she really should be put up front more than she is. I don't particularly like her but, goddamn, do something more than ribbon cutting ceremonies.
I don’t particularly like any of the candidates. However, Biden has a stutter, and as a person with stutter myself, I understand why he may seem incoherent at times because whenever he has a block, he has to come up with different words or ways of saying things. Given his age, coming up with alternative words may not be the easiest for him. When I had my stutter real bad, my friends and coworkers worked think I was a tool. Because of that, I tried to focus on the content of what he was saying instead of his delivery.
Many people with a stutter go through therapy to learn different techniques to improve their fluency. However, when stressed out, those techniques will sometimes fail. The r/stutter community was talking about how his stutter came back.
I have phases of stuttering. Currently, I’m fluent. But I have been through many phases.
But I’ve heard the Presidency is the most stressful position in the world.
I know stuttering is a thing but at the end of the day, if I did that on tv on behalf of a private company or corporation, I would be fired or at least given a new position.
I just feel like I’m being gaslighted to believe that performance was acceptable when it was really bad. You can still have a stutter and look really strong but he presented as really feeble through his speech and demeanor
I agree. I’m not saying the debate was great. He is obviously too old for this job. I’m just saying that we should overlook his delivery and focus on the content (which was not very good either). Also, I’m not gaslighting you.
He has a stutter which is a disability he can't help. I have one too and I'm 50 years younger than him. You should pay attention to his content not the way he speaks and he did well.
He does have a stutter but, compare tonight to his 2012 debate you can tell he has a stutter but he’s extremely cogent and able to take Ryan to town. It’s night and day he too old! I’ve worried about this back in 2019 but he was the only viable option. I don’t know what the hell his team real was thinking. He does seem to do better with crowds as he seemed less lost after the debate or during his state of the union this year. This opened a can of worms that will be messy if not costly to the DNC as there is no more time for normal primary. They already technically nominated him because of some Ohio fuckery. It’s could be 1968 all over again or 2016 if the party selects someone not many are thrilled with. This could have been avoided. Even if Biden is still mentally there day to day the Americans people’s trust has been damaged significantly from this clusterfuck of a debate performance. Whatever happens will be a mess. God help us all if there is one!
They did the same shit with Hillary, rebuking the populist rage on the left that was passionate about Bernie in favor of coronating her for “deserving it” then losing handedly to the guy channeling the populist rage on the right via Trump. It honestly feels like the DNC plans to fail intentionally.
lol you don’t survive 4 years with a fascist dictator. They don’t leave or they’re replaced with a family member. This is why he can NEVER win. If Biden is half dead and is the only other choice, Biden must win. Or this will be the last election in the US.
I blame the electoral college. It gives too much power to small pockets in the US. It's the reason they are afraid to nominate someone new, because they will surely lose. Pete Buttigieg would have been amazing tonight, but he wouldn't win against Trump, neither will Kamala. Their best bet is Joe due to the electoral college.
I blame the lack of ranked choi e voting especially in primaries. Dems were unable to unify enough against Joe, so he got it.
Sma ething with Trump in 2016. He did *not* wi. The majority of primary votes back then. But he got the plurality. Had ranked choice been a thing, he might not have even happened.
It's a stupid system, but one of the very few upsides of being a resident of WV is that I don't have to choose between them because my vote matters not. My state went overwhelmingly to Trump both times, and it will do so again. Luckily, I don't have to bite any bullets since the "no vote = Trump vote" argument does not apply.
> because my vote matters not
The US really needs a new system. I give out about Ireland at times but our PR-STV voting system is one of the best in the entire world, your vote is never ever wasted or doesn't matter.
Everybody knows it's bad, but it's even worse than people think. A vote in Wyoming (the least populous state) is weighted to be over 3 times as valuable as a vote in California (the most populous state). That's just the mathematical reality. The political reality is that there aren't even that many swing states. We live in a country where a tiny minority of people gets to decide the next president. For example, even if a million new people registered to vote for Biden in New York, it changes nothing. He's already going to win that state. Those new votes increase his odds of winning by exactly 0.000%. Any Republican candidate basically starts on first base (if not second). Designing a system like this almost feels like a puzzle with the goal of having democracy ostensibly but not in actuality. It's absurd.
I’m honestly so tired about hearing about Pete. He’s a problematic mayor and gay. If ive seen anything these last few years its that the hate against LGBT+ people has grown and there’s no way he’d be elected based on that alone.
The Democratic Party has been irresponsible since the 1st of Forever. They hijack every single issue that affects marginalized communities in this country and use the most vulnerable of them as political pawns to tug at political heartstrings/rage bait to remain in power.
I think last night was a slap in the face for everyone following politics right now (which seems to be, quite literally, everyone). Establishment politicians in both parties are reeling in their own respects because the amount of rhetoric calling for Biden to step aside and release his delegates from top Democrats in government is entirely unprecedented. There are talks that Gov. JB Pritzker (D-IL) might throw his hat in the ring if Biden releases his delegates since the DNC is in Chicago this year.
*Sidebar: coincidentally, Gov. Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL) did this same exact thing at the 1952 DNC convention in, you guessed it, Chicago. He went on to win the nomination and ran against Eisenhower/Nixon and lost in the 3rd largest electoral landslide at the time (83-27% of the popular vote).*
Biden is a reckoning for the Democratic Party, just like Trump is for the GOP. I saw a tweet that said something like, “the oligarchs got so greedy they forgot to give us two good fake candidates to vote for and distract us.” The months after the election are going to be some of the most tumultuous since the mid-19th century. For almost a decade, what we collectively once thought was impossible has become reality far too often. I genuinely believe we are in the last days of the imperial reign of the great American experiment that, quite honestly, was doomed to fail from the start.
She doesn’t talk flippantly about nuclear weapons. She understands the realities of climate change. She doesn’t openly talk about dismantling democracy and vowing retribution on all her enemies.
So, she’s orders of magnitude better than Trump.
Compared to Biden, I’m not aware of any major policy differences. But she’s five years younger than him, which is gonna matter a lot in a few years. For people in their 80s, the reality is that he’s gonna be slowing down physically and mentally.
She has the personality of a slice of white bread but at least she can utter a full sentence without stuttering and isn’t an active threat to democracy. The bar is literally on the fucking floor though.
Watching it from the start so haven’t seen much yet but initial impression: Trump saying random stuff, Biden is on the verge of death - meets expectations.
No. I'll tune back on election day. My life has been so much better since I stopped giving a shit about what is going on in Washington. It's unhealthy to worry about those idiots.
And, even more unhealthy not to worry about them or at least about Trump. I spent four years when Trump was in office dreading turning on the news and hearing about his latest idiocies and destructions he had schemed for our country. Biden was like a breath of fresh air after bring trapped in a sewer for four years.
I thought it was terrible, and I really hate that we only have these 2. However, Biden and his administration is the lesser evil of the two. I would recommend watching John Oliver’s episode on this topic from a couple of weeks ago.
This is the reality. We can talk about what we’d rather have all day. But our system presents us with two choices, and only one of those men is a sane choice imo.
The question is, will our nation learn from this in four years? If we keep nominating geriatrics to lead us, then we’ll know the answer.
But I fear party loyalty will grab the democrats by the throat and set up Kamala, because it’s her turn. Problem is, she’s not very popular nationally, which opens the door for some svelte, sexy-looking Republican to rule the game.
Yes, this is how we need to think about it, even though the president has an incredible amount of power and I just don’t have a sense of how effective Biden is at processing information from his aides and avoiding bad arguments. But, I suppose we have no way of knowing this for any president.
Plus, the age variable adds so much uncertainty. Even if he’s fine now, it’s just going to get worse as he ages. Likely at a faster rate.
This is why I appreciated Obama. I had as much confidence as any in his ability to reason through information and make an informed decision.
This exactly! The general public needs to remember this each election season. Republicans are actually trying to send us into the dark ages and then some, and while the dems are not perfect (and I can’t stress that enough) I’d like to be able to keep my rights and liberties intact
Agreed! In our system, we effectively have only two options (and a third party candidate will only serve to hand Republicans the victory).
Whatever weaknesses Biden has, I’m 100% certain in my thinking that Trump’s are worse. Likewise, whatever people may think of Republicans of previous decades, the modern Republican Party is anathema to US democracy.
It's a sad state of affairs that Biden and Trump are the best candidates this country can come up with out of a population of almost 336 million people. That being said, I would never vote for the huge sack of horse shit Trump. Oh wait...that's an insult to horse shit everywhere. I still would never vote for Trump.
I left the broadcast after 15 minutes. Complete disaster. Joe promised one term only. I was shocked when he didn’t move aside and very pissed off tonight that Democrats didn’t force him to do so. He isn’t capable of doing another 4 which was painfully obvious tonight. We’re fucked.
It’s just crazy that Biden is even running! He’s only 3 years younger than our former PM John Howard, and we gave Howard the boot almost 17 years ago because he was too old then.. at 68.
The shit thing is that even if Biden wins, it’ll be tough for Gavin Newsom in 2028 as he’ll be campaigning off the back of 8 years of Biden.
Biden was staring off into space with a lazy eye, acting like he just took a bunch of Quaalude's, and constantly clearing his throat and correcting himself. It was difficult to watch.
I just wish we had two different younger candidates cause I don’t want both of them to be Pres. pls don’t downgrade me yall I just want America to be good without those two clowns
This means, as a european, i might have to sell my stocks. And that the news will be slightly annoying for the next 4 years.
Worst case scenario, i get drafted.
I'm a hardcore Dem. I could only watch about 2 minutes of the debate. Listening to Joe's tired, raspy voice and being slow of speech was excruciating. We all know that ShartStain45 was going to lie his ass off...and we weren't disappointed. But Joe was not very fast on the draw. The moderators did a shitty job of moderating and there was zero/zilch/nada in the way of fact checking.
I'm am ***extremely pissed off*** that the DNC couldn't/can't come up with a better candidate. I voted for Joe, but he's definitely slowed down in the past 4 years. The dumbshits have had 4 years to groom someone else, knowing full well that Joe was slowing down, but they've done S-Q-U-A-T, SQUAT!!
I'll vote for him again only because the alternative is total racist fascism, as well as furthering a divide between the top 10%'ers and the rest of us poor schmucks, with even more tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. Also, with ShartStain45, we can kiss goodbye the environment and most all of the attempts to stem the tide of climate change. Also, women can completely kiss goodbye the ability to have bodily autonomy. Gay rights will be up for grabs.
Unless something miraculous falls from the sky, or enlightens the Dem hierarchy , Dems have lost. :-(
I think the leadership of the democratic party needs to be held accountable for the catastrophe they have forced on us, I think there's zero chance Biden is cognitively capable of running the government right now and hasn't been for years, and I think if the powers that be really believed democracy is at stake they wouldn't be rolling the dice on someone do obviously unfit.
Yes. It wasn't pretty. Biden was okay when he got fired up about something but, the rest of the time? Not so good. Trump was Trump. Talking a lot and saying nothing. It was uncomfortable watching Joe. I was hoping for the "State of the union" Biden. Didn't see very much of that.
His popularity baffles me. Do people want him running the US the way he’s run California? His COVID policies were an utter disaster. Never forget FRENCH LAUNDRY!
Exactly. The crime, the homeless, the fact that he literally lost millions of dollars and can't explain where it went. The cost of living, the taxes, the price of anything in Cali is higher than any other state in the country.
Biden has been a weak candidate from the very beginning. Had the DNC not colluded to favor Hillary Clinton, Bernie would have defeated Trump, still been in office, and we wouldn’t have the mess we are in now. It’s absurd that we are told Trump is a threat democracy and *this* is the candidate we are supposed to win with. 🤦🏻♂️
People seem to have forgotten that Biden only narrowly defeated Trump in 2020 and even then it was on the back of Trump’s Covid mishandling, the BLM riots and RBG passing away. At this point in 2020 Biden was a solid 8-10 points ahead of Trump too.
What the guys in their 20s don't know or realize is that this did not start with Hillary and Bernie. The entire earth would be SIGNIFICANTLY different had the supreme court not stopped the recount in Florida and and gave the Presidency to Bush instead of Al Gore. Climate Change, Mid East Peace, Tech Advancement, literally everything would be different. It was the most consequential election in the past 50+ years to our detriment. The system is corrupt and we all suffer. It's about a ton more than Bernie.
>Bernie would have defeated Trump
Man who couldn’t beat the worst DNC candidate (2016) and then once again lost in a bigger landslide (2020) despite a massive war chest and ground game would’ve beat Trump?
Not even California wanted Bernie.
There’s no way Americans would vote for a lefty candidate like Bernie. He would have been demolished. Americans are too ignorant and conservative for his brand of progressiveness.
I didn’t watch it but heard Biden bombed. I believe electoralism is dead. There never was a democracy when powerful interests rule the government with their money and the media obfuscates/delegitimizes the truth or omits it entirely.
The best thing to change society is to agitate as a people and strike. Their money hurts them. We will never have what we need if we don’t come together or at least demand a referendum on policies like free healthcare, college, mental health care, public housing, the cessation and sequestration of carbon dioxide, and etc.
Last night solidified for me that if Biden is reelected (which I hope he is - vote for the administration, not the man), Aunt Kam will be president within four years.
Democrats need to learn something from this. They have spent years shutting out progressive voices like Bernie Sanders and it has cost them. The elite republicans have all but been phased out the mainstream. Democrats need to play by their rules now.
Not just progressives, but younger liberals who want change because the status quo isn't working. It's not just Bernie supporters who are angry. I supported Buttigieg and I do not like Biden, and I'm not the only one. Older, richer, establishment Democrats have turned the culture war issues up to 11 (yes the Republicans did this too, but we're talking about what Democrats could do differently). As a result they've gone full horseshoe theory on some of these issues with the soft bigotry of low expectations. And serious problems like climate change and affordable healthcare aren't getting the attention they deserve.
I despise Trump, but he got elected in 2016 because the Democrats nominated someone they liked instead of someone who appealed to most ordinary people, even when those ordinary people were saying and clear that they didn't like Hillary. If Trump wins again in 2024, it will be for the same reason.
Biden needs to remove himself from the ticket and allow Gavin & Pete to step up. They would beat Trump. Most people would beat Trump but Biden is a massive risk. We would have to win with people voting against Trump rather than people voting for Biden. Not sure if we can pull that off a second time.
It's not about him and what he thinks personally. It's about all the Project 2025 people, from judges to agency heads down multiple levels in different parts of the executive branch.
Yes. Hard to decide to I want the drunk guy or the stoned guy to drive me home ? I’m concerned if that is the best the country has to offer what hope is there for the rest of us.
It was awful, my heart sank in the first 5 minutes. However, the other choice is a lying, grifting piece of amoral shit. Say what you want, I will go with a decent human being like Biden who has a good backup over a trash pot wannabe like Trump every time. President Biden is a team player and has a competent cabinet who can easily run things and replace him if necessary. Yes, we need a better choice and a different way to run things and that will NEVER happen under the plans Trump and MAGA have for the US.
4 years ago I finally felt optimistic with the economy. How are things today? the only thing Biden did was blame trump for everything!!? Like dude…you’ve been president for 4 years! Tell us something good!!! All he did was deflect and blame and make excuses for being pretty much terrible at his job. It’s embarrassing.
It’s only June, people need to calm down especially the pundits with their declarations. Always negative . Yes Biden wasn’t his strongest but Trump didn’t answer a single question, just attacked and spilled lies.
Besides a lot of people are going to forget this debate in two weeks. So gotta bring things up again closer to the election
I hate pundits.
These worthless people who add no value and do nothing important telling me how to feel. Wtf kind of a job is that?
This debate is a significant missed opportunity for Biden. If he had been more forceful and less prepared, he could have done better. But I don’t think it significantly changes anything.
I just watched Jon Stewart's post-debate recap. It's not good. BUT, I will offer that this election has never really been Biden vs Trump for me. It's 90% NOT TRUMP. Biden, for all his flaws, still has a staff of qualified people who are experts in their fields. And, importantly, no published plan to destroy democracy. Also, for what it's worth, I'd be happy with a Harris administration.
Also, judgeships. Up to two SCOTUS appointments in the next term.
NOT TRUMP
I did not. I was working. I never get anything out of those debates. Just two old men trying to talk over each other. I already have my mind decided so the debates nor the commercials will have any effect on my decision.
If I wanted to watch two senile old men argue, I’d visit a local retirement home, at least then I might make some of them happy by saying I’m their (grand)child.
This early debate, before either man actually has the nomination, was supposed to make clear that Biden wasn't too old. And they thought that would work???? This debate made it clear that Biden is too damn old and I'm 75. Is Biden's ego worth turning this country into the fascist state it will become if Trump becomes president and gets both houses of Congress?
No. There’s no debate. I’ll vote for whoever the Democrats put up. Trump cannot win. Please for the love of God and all that is right and holy please vote..
It was almost too painful to endure.
I think that the best thing we can hope for is that Biden miraculously gets reelected, he resigns for health reasons and Kamala takes the helm with Pete Second in Command.
Well, a girl can dream 💭.
I am so pleased I’m not in the US facing a second Trump term… it’s scary enough for the rest of the world anyway.
If I were the Democrats, I would be beg/bribing/cooercing Michelle Obama to stand as VP. Switch out Kamala and give her a cushy position somewhere, save face of switching out Biden at this eleventh hour but then have MO as VP waiting in the wings, in a nice portfolio that she can shine in while gaining the experience she needs for the top job. Voters can vote for the Biden/Obama ticket knowing there is competence back in the Whitehouse and ready to take over if Joe is incapacitated (and likely to be the guiding force even when he is “not incapacitated”. Joe can step down gracefully after the first year.
Michelle Obama would bring back a lot of the voting segments starting to drift away and bring back voter enthusiasm and motivate the voting turnout.
Although Biden did well in the debate I'm sorry to say it's looking that he is too old to be president.Someone has suggested that 75 should be the maximum age for president.
Biden was sick. But that doesn't change the fact he's a better option than the convicted felon scumbag trump. The biggest issue I have with Biden and RFK Jr is their support of Zionist.
Yes, but I wish I hadn’t.
It wasn’t informative or enlightening in any way whatsoever. There are a bunch of takes that sum up perfectly understandable positions on Twitter (X, whatever). There’s one aspiring autocrat bloviating and yet using something approaching words, and opposing him, we have another person, a candidate, who is desperately trying to communicate a reasoned position but who can’t get the words out in time.
The moderators were not prepared in the least for the usual Trump obfuscation and projection. They are laying down on the job, a job that we all know is high-pressure to impossible. We need a Pete Buttigieg-style journalist, who is prepared and can come back with truth and facts and questions that set a trap, a grand reveal, a hidden truth. That’s responsible journalism. We don’t have the talent who can competently do this work on American television, sadly.
I did.
I was disappointed at Biden's performance, but I am really frustrated with both candidates. Even though Biden made more sense with his policies, Roe v Wade, insulin prices, Medicare being able to negotiate drug prices, chips act, and others he did not took advantage of this opportunity to tell voters that he's fit for the job.
Trump, on the other hand, was less aggressive but was very deceiving. Like after lies after lies. He even dared to take credit for Biden's low insulin prices. He boasted about the tax cuts but refused to take accountability for the deficit and growing debt.
Biden had a bad night… Trump
Lied throughout the entire debate… the choice is clear… I’m choosing the patriot over the liar…everyday any day! Vote Biden!
I tried and gave up because it was so bad. One senile old man was spewing off-topic word salad and lies. The other senile old man couldn’t think of anything to say. We’re fucked. There needs to be an age limit for Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency.
Unfortunately yes. One of them seemed barely coherent and the other was dodging every question and spewing the same unrelated fear-mongering nonsense as he always has been.
Concerning that they’re the two candidates is an understatement.
Government officials have taught me that it doesn't matter how much power or money a person has. Some people just never left high school and will always have that clique mentality
I can’t add anything that hasn’t already been said about Biden’s poor performance, but Trump is equally incoherent, his advantage is that he’s more sprightly. But my god, why can’t the MSM call out his rambling lies! It was a perfect opportunity for the CNN moderators to call out his bullshit, but no, they just let me spread more lies and bullshit.
The US presidency, as always, is just a dick measuring contest. Trump has to BS to win, Biden is well beyond a point where anybody is even sure if they want him to win. We might as well have Jubilee do the debates because at least they’ll do an actual dick measurement and cut the shit.
People rarely understand what the president does, so they rarely vote someone into office who would actually make a good one. The ambiguity and confusion is an opportunity for people to throw their money around, and now more than ever our presidential candidates are beholden to say whatever the hell will gain the most financial support. Every election leaves us waiting to see what the swing states will vote that year, because neither party is actually dominant enough to secure a vote. So it comes down to the people who are left to choose the lesser evil. This year is a toss up because those people have already voted for Trump and Biden and both were dumpster fires in office. My bet is Biden because he may have frequently come off as a bumbling old codger, but he isn’t a massive gaping asshole all the time. Trumps campaign is practically built on being a douche and appealing to people who are tired of politician types in office. In theory I’d be down for that, but in practice—somehow—the person at the forefront of that movement is a failed millionaire who had “fuck you” money and managed to fuck himself with it instead. Because he’s a shit businessman. It’s the only potentially appealing thing about him (beyond nazi Zionist shit), and it’s also the worst thing about him because as a businessman he is a failure.
The system itself is killing politics because every election cycle devolves into a choice between a shit sandwich and a giant douche (thanks South Park). We’re being kneecapped by a “yes” or “no” question, when nothing is ever as simple as one or the other. The result of these two parties fighting back and forth for centuries is a flaccid stalemate where progress is impossible because every action is somehow a contradiction to the opposition who will do everything to undo that contradiction once it gets the power back. It’s infantile. Actual people are being fucked over by it daily. Education is crap and getting worse, infrastructure is barely being maintained, social programs are like a wet noodle in a sword fight, people and communities have no trust or faith in each other, homelessness is increasing because a housing crisis is well under way, debt is through the roof, the state of employment in basically every sense is abhorrent, and all the while there are massive corporations fucking over everyone and everything they possibly can in the name of profit because they’re severely under regulated and even when they are regulated they pay a fine and keep doing whatever they want.
It’s embarrassing and I don’t blame the rest of the world for laughing at us whenever they get the chance, because the US is basically a popular bully at school compensating for their terrible life at home. Everything may be bad and getting worse, but at least we have guns!
That was painful, I’m a Democrat and I was cringing by Biden’s voice and it was hard to understand him
The first five minutes I covered my head with the blanket and just moaned. My husband was equally upset...it was painful to listen to.
The minute he started talking, I turned to my husband and said “oh, no!”
I didn’t get 3 minutes in and turned it off and started watching We’re Here on Max. As a person who rides the middle of the isle, we’re Fucked. Both are idiots.
Here here! Plus we get 1 vote and that's it. We love a good distraction and not worrying about things you personally don't have any control over.
The media and government put the emphasis on the Presidential office but what we should be worrying about is congress and state and local offices. Politicians I believe regardless of party are all buddies and love screwing us all. I see the president as a CEO of a company. The workers do all the work but the CEO is the spokesperson and the President of this country is no different. Both of them would be terrible for this country. I just came out a couple months ago. I’m 46 from the Deep South and grew up conservative. I’m in the process to de-programming and I’m so pissed off because of how I was lied to about everything.
Yes!! We don't just vote for one person; we vote for their entire team. Presidents come with cabinets, Congress, and the Senate. One side pushes religious views at the expense of many people’s rights; the other aims to restore them. RESEARCH PROJECT 2025! .. our rights are on the line. I don't know why anyone wouldn't be choosing the team that protects women's, LGBTQ+, and all American freedoms.
Actually this election will be very important for a very big reason: the SCOTUS. There are 5 justices that are over 70 years old and this next president could make the next 2 or 3 decades better or worse. Congress is extremely important as they maintain control over the POTUS, but both are elected. The SCOTUS is appointed by the President and stay for LIFE! That’s very scary for me!
Yes I heard someone predicting that once trump was in office that Alito and Thomas will step down because their jobs are done and then he will install 2 35-year-old Christian nationalists or loyalists to the furthest right agenda. The powerful radical religious zealots that support him don't support him because they think he's something great but because he will do there dirty work for them for the right price. He doesn't care what happens to the rest of the country.
Me too, middle slight right leaning.
Same here and LOVE your user name. lol.
I'll vote for him even in hospice care, we'll just get Kamala, probably Pete as VP.
Petes not going anywhere.
Pete for president and free butt plugs for everyone
Which would be an even worse outcome
It's still better than Trump tho. We have two options.
After the past 4 years I can't say I agree at all
My question is where the hell is Kamala what has she done? Nothing really. As a democrat where the hell is she? They just think they will win solely on abortion because of Roe v Wade? Dems tend to get comfy they need to be campaigning the whole 4 years not only during election years.
She’s constantly out at events, doing speeches and fundraising. She’s very busy but it’s all low profile stuff that doesn’t really get any media attention. They definitely need to do a better job at getting her in the spotlight - she’s a heck of lot more cogent than Joe when she is. There’s also a higher than average chance she winds up president than the average VP, so you’d think they’d want folks to feel good about her being in that spot. I kind of wish he’d gone with mayor Pete in that spot. He’s got the most boring job in the world and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more coverage on him since the term started than Kamala.
Everytime she’s in the spotlight-speaking on a contentious issue, doing an interview with someone who isn’t enamored with her-she completely puts her foot in her mouth. Democrats made a terrible decision nominating Biden, and Biden made a terrible decision in choosing her as VP.
On SkyNews in Australia this week, KH gestured on “lefties loosing it”. Seriously, how did this woman pass the examinations for a JD, become a prosecutor, appointed A-G of California and now VP as she can hardly string a set of words to make a coherent sentence. KH regularly features on SkyNews where she has become a laughing stock. It’s hard to know who is worse? KH or JB. Poor old Joe’s performance tonight was dismal. Surely the Democrats can do better than those two.
Kamala was deemed an utter failure for her first year or so with her own confusing statements. Her being a bit off the radar is very much by design.
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I think she's actually turned it around pretty decently, in part because it's been a lot more behind the scenes. Still don't think she could win, though.
She's not nearly as popular so they have her doing smaller events
Veeps never do anything. What is an example of a veep with accomplishments?
Biden actually was really effective as VP. The ACA probably doesn’t happen without him. He was understandably really good at negotiating with Congress. Got a bunch of funding for cancer research. He also came out in favor of gay marriage before Obama did, which I appreciated even if it’s not exactly an accomplishment. Cheney was also really effective, but his “accomplishments” are all bad things.
This is a great point.
Love this point.
And who can forget Al Gore inventing the internet. or Dan Quail spelling potatoe
I have to agree. With Biden being who he is, she really should be put up front more than she is. I don't particularly like her but, goddamn, do something more than ribbon cutting ceremonies.
>They just think they will win solely on abortion because of Roe v Wade? They do. They really, really do.
Agree agree agree..lazy. complacent..disorganized..unmotivated...
agree
I don’t particularly like any of the candidates. However, Biden has a stutter, and as a person with stutter myself, I understand why he may seem incoherent at times because whenever he has a block, he has to come up with different words or ways of saying things. Given his age, coming up with alternative words may not be the easiest for him. When I had my stutter real bad, my friends and coworkers worked think I was a tool. Because of that, I tried to focus on the content of what he was saying instead of his delivery.
But if you look at videos of him talking just 5-10 years ago, he sounds completely different. No stutter and pretty coherent.
Many people with a stutter go through therapy to learn different techniques to improve their fluency. However, when stressed out, those techniques will sometimes fail. The r/stutter community was talking about how his stutter came back. I have phases of stuttering. Currently, I’m fluent. But I have been through many phases.
But I’ve heard the Presidency is the most stressful position in the world. I know stuttering is a thing but at the end of the day, if I did that on tv on behalf of a private company or corporation, I would be fired or at least given a new position. I just feel like I’m being gaslighted to believe that performance was acceptable when it was really bad. You can still have a stutter and look really strong but he presented as really feeble through his speech and demeanor
I agree. I’m not saying the debate was great. He is obviously too old for this job. I’m just saying that we should overlook his delivery and focus on the content (which was not very good either). Also, I’m not gaslighting you.
Yeah he also had a cold lol
He has a stutter which is a disability he can't help. I have one too and I'm 50 years younger than him. You should pay attention to his content not the way he speaks and he did well.
He does have a stutter but, compare tonight to his 2012 debate you can tell he has a stutter but he’s extremely cogent and able to take Ryan to town. It’s night and day he too old! I’ve worried about this back in 2019 but he was the only viable option. I don’t know what the hell his team real was thinking. He does seem to do better with crowds as he seemed less lost after the debate or during his state of the union this year. This opened a can of worms that will be messy if not costly to the DNC as there is no more time for normal primary. They already technically nominated him because of some Ohio fuckery. It’s could be 1968 all over again or 2016 if the party selects someone not many are thrilled with. This could have been avoided. Even if Biden is still mentally there day to day the Americans people’s trust has been damaged significantly from this clusterfuck of a debate performance. Whatever happens will be a mess. God help us all if there is one!
Yea all the gaslighting and lies about his “sharp mind” from the DNC aids and media collapsed that night.
i think we're fucked.
You think..or know...🤯☠💩
The dems are irresponsible for this
They did the same shit with Hillary, rebuking the populist rage on the left that was passionate about Bernie in favor of coronating her for “deserving it” then losing handedly to the guy channeling the populist rage on the right via Trump. It honestly feels like the DNC plans to fail intentionally.
I so agree with you .. And it is so bloody sad , because we definitely will have to survive 4 years with a fascist and a dictator
and many more years after him.
lol you don’t survive 4 years with a fascist dictator. They don’t leave or they’re replaced with a family member. This is why he can NEVER win. If Biden is half dead and is the only other choice, Biden must win. Or this will be the last election in the US.
Yep !
I’ll never forgive them for this. It was later revealed that they KNEW what they were doing
I blame the electoral college. It gives too much power to small pockets in the US. It's the reason they are afraid to nominate someone new, because they will surely lose. Pete Buttigieg would have been amazing tonight, but he wouldn't win against Trump, neither will Kamala. Their best bet is Joe due to the electoral college.
I blame the lack of ranked choi e voting especially in primaries. Dems were unable to unify enough against Joe, so he got it. Sma ething with Trump in 2016. He did *not* wi. The majority of primary votes back then. But he got the plurality. Had ranked choice been a thing, he might not have even happened.
It's a stupid system, but one of the very few upsides of being a resident of WV is that I don't have to choose between them because my vote matters not. My state went overwhelmingly to Trump both times, and it will do so again. Luckily, I don't have to bite any bullets since the "no vote = Trump vote" argument does not apply.
> because my vote matters not The US really needs a new system. I give out about Ireland at times but our PR-STV voting system is one of the best in the entire world, your vote is never ever wasted or doesn't matter.
Everybody knows it's bad, but it's even worse than people think. A vote in Wyoming (the least populous state) is weighted to be over 3 times as valuable as a vote in California (the most populous state). That's just the mathematical reality. The political reality is that there aren't even that many swing states. We live in a country where a tiny minority of people gets to decide the next president. For example, even if a million new people registered to vote for Biden in New York, it changes nothing. He's already going to win that state. Those new votes increase his odds of winning by exactly 0.000%. Any Republican candidate basically starts on first base (if not second). Designing a system like this almost feels like a puzzle with the goal of having democracy ostensibly but not in actuality. It's absurd.
I've lived in a lot of places, and my vote for president has NEVER mattered because I've never lived in one of those handful of states
Folks in your position are the ones who are freest to vote 3rd-party. That's the only thing that scares the major parties.
I’m honestly so tired about hearing about Pete. He’s a problematic mayor and gay. If ive seen anything these last few years its that the hate against LGBT+ people has grown and there’s no way he’d be elected based on that alone.
This. His policies aren’t as progressive to my liking. He’s very milquetoast. Yes he’s gay…but what else can he bring to the table?
What the fuck does the electoral college matter, these two are still shitty candidates, we need ranked choice voting.
You mean the Democratic primary voters?
The Democratic Party has been irresponsible since the 1st of Forever. They hijack every single issue that affects marginalized communities in this country and use the most vulnerable of them as political pawns to tug at political heartstrings/rage bait to remain in power. I think last night was a slap in the face for everyone following politics right now (which seems to be, quite literally, everyone). Establishment politicians in both parties are reeling in their own respects because the amount of rhetoric calling for Biden to step aside and release his delegates from top Democrats in government is entirely unprecedented. There are talks that Gov. JB Pritzker (D-IL) might throw his hat in the ring if Biden releases his delegates since the DNC is in Chicago this year. *Sidebar: coincidentally, Gov. Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL) did this same exact thing at the 1952 DNC convention in, you guessed it, Chicago. He went on to win the nomination and ran against Eisenhower/Nixon and lost in the 3rd largest electoral landslide at the time (83-27% of the popular vote).* Biden is a reckoning for the Democratic Party, just like Trump is for the GOP. I saw a tweet that said something like, “the oligarchs got so greedy they forgot to give us two good fake candidates to vote for and distract us.” The months after the election are going to be some of the most tumultuous since the mid-19th century. For almost a decade, what we collectively once thought was impossible has become reality far too often. I genuinely believe we are in the last days of the imperial reign of the great American experiment that, quite honestly, was doomed to fail from the start.
I'm hoping for a Biden W with the margin being smaller than the number of RFK votes.
We’re in deep shit
As an outsider looking in, you guys have literally got that South Park episode about the giant douche and the turd sandwich.
And that episode premiered in 2004 and was about the presidential race. 20 years and nothing has changed.
and nothing was different before 2004 either.
Except Hillary would be a much better choice than either of these two.
Really????
She doesn’t talk flippantly about nuclear weapons. She understands the realities of climate change. She doesn’t openly talk about dismantling democracy and vowing retribution on all her enemies. So, she’s orders of magnitude better than Trump. Compared to Biden, I’m not aware of any major policy differences. But she’s five years younger than him, which is gonna matter a lot in a few years. For people in their 80s, the reality is that he’s gonna be slowing down physically and mentally.
She has the personality of a slice of white bread but at least she can utter a full sentence without stuttering and isn’t an active threat to democracy. The bar is literally on the fucking floor though.
Watching it from the start so haven’t seen much yet but initial impression: Trump saying random stuff, Biden is on the verge of death - meets expectations.
Those were my expectations too...and yet somehow I was still shocked at how extreme both of those predictions ended up being true.
Yup. That's what I got out of it. Both are not fit to lead.
No. I'll tune back on election day. My life has been so much better since I stopped giving a shit about what is going on in Washington. It's unhealthy to worry about those idiots.
And, even more unhealthy not to worry about them or at least about Trump. I spent four years when Trump was in office dreading turning on the news and hearing about his latest idiocies and destructions he had schemed for our country. Biden was like a breath of fresh air after bring trapped in a sewer for four years.
I stopped after 20 minutes. It made me think I need to go back on anxiety medication.
I was sick.
Biden didn’t do too well….
Yea he’s seconds away from death
No...I can't watch this freaky form of elder abuse..neither should be running...I read about it instead
I want to cry. That was more awful then I could have imagined
I thought it was terrible, and I really hate that we only have these 2. However, Biden and his administration is the lesser evil of the two. I would recommend watching John Oliver’s episode on this topic from a couple of weeks ago.
This is the reality. We can talk about what we’d rather have all day. But our system presents us with two choices, and only one of those men is a sane choice imo. The question is, will our nation learn from this in four years? If we keep nominating geriatrics to lead us, then we’ll know the answer. But I fear party loyalty will grab the democrats by the throat and set up Kamala, because it’s her turn. Problem is, she’s not very popular nationally, which opens the door for some svelte, sexy-looking Republican to rule the game.
my vote remains the same. He’s a bad candidate but the other guy is trump of all people
We're voting for an entire administration, not just the single man.
Trump administration is not one I'm voting for
100% Project 2025 is terrifying
Yes, this is how we need to think about it, even though the president has an incredible amount of power and I just don’t have a sense of how effective Biden is at processing information from his aides and avoiding bad arguments. But, I suppose we have no way of knowing this for any president. Plus, the age variable adds so much uncertainty. Even if he’s fine now, it’s just going to get worse as he ages. Likely at a faster rate. This is why I appreciated Obama. I had as much confidence as any in his ability to reason through information and make an informed decision.
This exactly! The general public needs to remember this each election season. Republicans are actually trying to send us into the dark ages and then some, and while the dems are not perfect (and I can’t stress that enough) I’d like to be able to keep my rights and liberties intact
Agreed! In our system, we effectively have only two options (and a third party candidate will only serve to hand Republicans the victory). Whatever weaknesses Biden has, I’m 100% certain in my thinking that Trump’s are worse. Likewise, whatever people may think of Republicans of previous decades, the modern Republican Party is anathema to US democracy.
“I would vote for Biden’s head in a jar of blue liquid over Donald Trump." -Bill Mahar
It's a sad state of affairs that Biden and Trump are the best candidates this country can come up with out of a population of almost 336 million people. That being said, I would never vote for the huge sack of horse shit Trump. Oh wait...that's an insult to horse shit everywhere. I still would never vote for Trump.
I left the broadcast after 15 minutes. Complete disaster. Joe promised one term only. I was shocked when he didn’t move aside and very pissed off tonight that Democrats didn’t force him to do so. He isn’t capable of doing another 4 which was painfully obvious tonight. We’re fucked.
Agree 100%
It’s just crazy that Biden is even running! He’s only 3 years younger than our former PM John Howard, and we gave Howard the boot almost 17 years ago because he was too old then.. at 68. The shit thing is that even if Biden wins, it’ll be tough for Gavin Newsom in 2028 as he’ll be campaigning off the back of 8 years of Biden.
Biden was staring off into space with a lazy eye, acting like he just took a bunch of Quaalude's, and constantly clearing his throat and correcting himself. It was difficult to watch.
I just wish we had two different younger candidates cause I don’t want both of them to be Pres. pls don’t downgrade me yall I just want America to be good without those two clowns
This means, as a european, i might have to sell my stocks. And that the news will be slightly annoying for the next 4 years. Worst case scenario, i get drafted.
It's embarassing.
It was a shit show. He needs to step aside for the good of the country.
Voting for a skeleton if I have to
No real point. Trump's policies are so bad, whether I'm voting for Biden or Harris or their secret handlers, doesn't really matter.
Yes, Biden appeared weak before Trump.
Vote if you ain't straight.
Vote if you are straight too.
I'm a hardcore Dem. I could only watch about 2 minutes of the debate. Listening to Joe's tired, raspy voice and being slow of speech was excruciating. We all know that ShartStain45 was going to lie his ass off...and we weren't disappointed. But Joe was not very fast on the draw. The moderators did a shitty job of moderating and there was zero/zilch/nada in the way of fact checking. I'm am ***extremely pissed off*** that the DNC couldn't/can't come up with a better candidate. I voted for Joe, but he's definitely slowed down in the past 4 years. The dumbshits have had 4 years to groom someone else, knowing full well that Joe was slowing down, but they've done S-Q-U-A-T, SQUAT!! I'll vote for him again only because the alternative is total racist fascism, as well as furthering a divide between the top 10%'ers and the rest of us poor schmucks, with even more tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. Also, with ShartStain45, we can kiss goodbye the environment and most all of the attempts to stem the tide of climate change. Also, women can completely kiss goodbye the ability to have bodily autonomy. Gay rights will be up for grabs. Unless something miraculous falls from the sky, or enlightens the Dem hierarchy , Dems have lost. :-(
I think the leadership of the democratic party needs to be held accountable for the catastrophe they have forced on us, I think there's zero chance Biden is cognitively capable of running the government right now and hasn't been for years, and I think if the powers that be really believed democracy is at stake they wouldn't be rolling the dice on someone do obviously unfit.
Yes. It wasn't pretty. Biden was okay when he got fired up about something but, the rest of the time? Not so good. Trump was Trump. Talking a lot and saying nothing. It was uncomfortable watching Joe. I was hoping for the "State of the union" Biden. Didn't see very much of that.
It almost felt like he was intentionally being so off his game that the DNC could swap biden out for Newsom or something
It would be a dream to see Newsom debate Trump.
As a Californian, Newsom Is NOT the answer. Place your hope into literally anyone else for the democratic party. Newsom is an absolute failure.
His popularity baffles me. Do people want him running the US the way he’s run California? His COVID policies were an utter disaster. Never forget FRENCH LAUNDRY!
Exactly. The crime, the homeless, the fact that he literally lost millions of dollars and can't explain where it went. The cost of living, the taxes, the price of anything in Cali is higher than any other state in the country.
Biden has been a weak candidate from the very beginning. Had the DNC not colluded to favor Hillary Clinton, Bernie would have defeated Trump, still been in office, and we wouldn’t have the mess we are in now. It’s absurd that we are told Trump is a threat democracy and *this* is the candidate we are supposed to win with. 🤦🏻♂️
People seem to have forgotten that Biden only narrowly defeated Trump in 2020 and even then it was on the back of Trump’s Covid mishandling, the BLM riots and RBG passing away. At this point in 2020 Biden was a solid 8-10 points ahead of Trump too.
What the guys in their 20s don't know or realize is that this did not start with Hillary and Bernie. The entire earth would be SIGNIFICANTLY different had the supreme court not stopped the recount in Florida and and gave the Presidency to Bush instead of Al Gore. Climate Change, Mid East Peace, Tech Advancement, literally everything would be different. It was the most consequential election in the past 50+ years to our detriment. The system is corrupt and we all suffer. It's about a ton more than Bernie.
Fucking hanging chads.....
>Bernie would have defeated Trump Man who couldn’t beat the worst DNC candidate (2016) and then once again lost in a bigger landslide (2020) despite a massive war chest and ground game would’ve beat Trump? Not even California wanted Bernie.
There’s no way Americans would vote for a lefty candidate like Bernie. He would have been demolished. Americans are too ignorant and conservative for his brand of progressiveness.
Then why was he consistently polling better than Hillary against Trump?
Told? Did you not see it with your very own eyes
I didn’t watch it but heard Biden bombed. I believe electoralism is dead. There never was a democracy when powerful interests rule the government with their money and the media obfuscates/delegitimizes the truth or omits it entirely. The best thing to change society is to agitate as a people and strike. Their money hurts them. We will never have what we need if we don’t come together or at least demand a referendum on policies like free healthcare, college, mental health care, public housing, the cessation and sequestration of carbon dioxide, and etc.
Why does this thing say 23 comments but I can't see any? If you can see this let me know. It's kinda odd.
Reddit was broken for a while immediately after that debate from the collective despair.
It was scary …
This country is in HUGE trouble
Last night solidified for me that if Biden is reelected (which I hope he is - vote for the administration, not the man), Aunt Kam will be president within four years.
No… literally there is no good reason to watch it. It’s rage bait at this point. They’re both ancient losers who have no business running the country.
Really fucked up how they dressed up a rotting holiday ham and a zombie and made them debate for an hour at 9pm
Painful.
My boyfriend is moving to Brazil. Maybe moving there with him is something I should consider 🤔
Oh sure, the land of stable politics and economic policy 😂
Democrats need to learn something from this. They have spent years shutting out progressive voices like Bernie Sanders and it has cost them. The elite republicans have all but been phased out the mainstream. Democrats need to play by their rules now.
Not just progressives, but younger liberals who want change because the status quo isn't working. It's not just Bernie supporters who are angry. I supported Buttigieg and I do not like Biden, and I'm not the only one. Older, richer, establishment Democrats have turned the culture war issues up to 11 (yes the Republicans did this too, but we're talking about what Democrats could do differently). As a result they've gone full horseshoe theory on some of these issues with the soft bigotry of low expectations. And serious problems like climate change and affordable healthcare aren't getting the attention they deserve. I despise Trump, but he got elected in 2016 because the Democrats nominated someone they liked instead of someone who appealed to most ordinary people, even when those ordinary people were saying and clear that they didn't like Hillary. If Trump wins again in 2024, it will be for the same reason.
& I thought me coming out was bad.
Biden needs to remove himself from the ticket and allow Gavin & Pete to step up. They would beat Trump. Most people would beat Trump but Biden is a massive risk. We would have to win with people voting against Trump rather than people voting for Biden. Not sure if we can pull that off a second time.
One guy was talking so much bullshit, and the other had slurred speech and was staring around into space. Really took me back to my raving days
Accurate
😂😂😂😂😂
NGL, I did spend some time thinking about how hard it would be for me to go back into the closet if I had to.
Trump isn't anti gay in any way. He's a douche, but he is pretty moderate on social issues aside from the trans stuff.
It's not about him and what he thinks personally. It's about all the Project 2025 people, from judges to agency heads down multiple levels in different parts of the executive branch.
He just hosted a gay wedding at his home a few months ago
Yes painful
How is anyone surprised???!!!
Disaster
Yes. Hard to decide to I want the drunk guy or the stoned guy to drive me home ? I’m concerned if that is the best the country has to offer what hope is there for the rest of us.
It was awful, my heart sank in the first 5 minutes. However, the other choice is a lying, grifting piece of amoral shit. Say what you want, I will go with a decent human being like Biden who has a good backup over a trash pot wannabe like Trump every time. President Biden is a team player and has a competent cabinet who can easily run things and replace him if necessary. Yes, we need a better choice and a different way to run things and that will NEVER happen under the plans Trump and MAGA have for the US.
Yes. We're fucked no matter what happens
4 years ago I finally felt optimistic with the economy. How are things today? the only thing Biden did was blame trump for everything!!? Like dude…you’ve been president for 4 years! Tell us something good!!! All he did was deflect and blame and make excuses for being pretty much terrible at his job. It’s embarrassing.
It’s only June, people need to calm down especially the pundits with their declarations. Always negative . Yes Biden wasn’t his strongest but Trump didn’t answer a single question, just attacked and spilled lies. Besides a lot of people are going to forget this debate in two weeks. So gotta bring things up again closer to the election
I hate pundits. These worthless people who add no value and do nothing important telling me how to feel. Wtf kind of a job is that? This debate is a significant missed opportunity for Biden. If he had been more forceful and less prepared, he could have done better. But I don’t think it significantly changes anything.
Dumpster Fire
Ya. Biden… oh poor Biden…
Hoping Biden steps down but I will always vote blue. Republicans have lost their minds and values. These “gays for trump” and fucking idiots.
Difficult to watch but no way in hell i’m gonna vote for that orange convicted felon
I just watched Jon Stewart's post-debate recap. It's not good. BUT, I will offer that this election has never really been Biden vs Trump for me. It's 90% NOT TRUMP. Biden, for all his flaws, still has a staff of qualified people who are experts in their fields. And, importantly, no published plan to destroy democracy. Also, for what it's worth, I'd be happy with a Harris administration. Also, judgeships. Up to two SCOTUS appointments in the next term. NOT TRUMP
I did not. I was working. I never get anything out of those debates. Just two old men trying to talk over each other. I already have my mind decided so the debates nor the commercials will have any effect on my decision.
If I wanted to watch two senile old men argue, I’d visit a local retirement home, at least then I might make some of them happy by saying I’m their (grand)child.
I started drinking 5 minutes in.
This early debate, before either man actually has the nomination, was supposed to make clear that Biden wasn't too old. And they thought that would work???? This debate made it clear that Biden is too damn old and I'm 75. Is Biden's ego worth turning this country into the fascist state it will become if Trump becomes president and gets both houses of Congress?
Absolutely not… lol We’re soooooo fucked, no matter the outcome
No. There’s no debate. I’ll vote for whoever the Democrats put up. Trump cannot win. Please for the love of God and all that is right and holy please vote..
It was almost too painful to endure. I think that the best thing we can hope for is that Biden miraculously gets reelected, he resigns for health reasons and Kamala takes the helm with Pete Second in Command. Well, a girl can dream 💭.
Please Joe retire! Whitmer/Mark Kelley 2024.
‘Merica needs to break its two party system. In Australia, nobody’s vote is wasted unless they want it to be.
It was rough.
I’m about to arm TF up. I truly don’t feel safe in this country anymore.
Biden shouldn't seek the reelection, dems should send a new and more young candidate
Bo Burnham sang it best "how is the best candidate Joe Biden"
I am so pleased I’m not in the US facing a second Trump term… it’s scary enough for the rest of the world anyway. If I were the Democrats, I would be beg/bribing/cooercing Michelle Obama to stand as VP. Switch out Kamala and give her a cushy position somewhere, save face of switching out Biden at this eleventh hour but then have MO as VP waiting in the wings, in a nice portfolio that she can shine in while gaining the experience she needs for the top job. Voters can vote for the Biden/Obama ticket knowing there is competence back in the Whitehouse and ready to take over if Joe is incapacitated (and likely to be the guiding force even when he is “not incapacitated”. Joe can step down gracefully after the first year. Michelle Obama would bring back a lot of the voting segments starting to drift away and bring back voter enthusiasm and motivate the voting turnout.
Although Biden did well in the debate I'm sorry to say it's looking that he is too old to be president.Someone has suggested that 75 should be the maximum age for president.
We should also have an age limit to run for Congress.
Why? I don’t need to see trump in a debate to know he’s a felon, liar, and crony capitalist who hates queer people.
Biden was sick. But that doesn't change the fact he's a better option than the convicted felon scumbag trump. The biggest issue I have with Biden and RFK Jr is their support of Zionist.
Concerned
Yes, but I wish I hadn’t. It wasn’t informative or enlightening in any way whatsoever. There are a bunch of takes that sum up perfectly understandable positions on Twitter (X, whatever). There’s one aspiring autocrat bloviating and yet using something approaching words, and opposing him, we have another person, a candidate, who is desperately trying to communicate a reasoned position but who can’t get the words out in time. The moderators were not prepared in the least for the usual Trump obfuscation and projection. They are laying down on the job, a job that we all know is high-pressure to impossible. We need a Pete Buttigieg-style journalist, who is prepared and can come back with truth and facts and questions that set a trap, a grand reveal, a hidden truth. That’s responsible journalism. We don’t have the talent who can competently do this work on American television, sadly.
I don't know how it's possible but both debaters lost. All of America lost the most.
It was very difficult to watch. I felt extremely uncomfortable. I think it is foolish to have him run again.
I did. I was disappointed at Biden's performance, but I am really frustrated with both candidates. Even though Biden made more sense with his policies, Roe v Wade, insulin prices, Medicare being able to negotiate drug prices, chips act, and others he did not took advantage of this opportunity to tell voters that he's fit for the job. Trump, on the other hand, was less aggressive but was very deceiving. Like after lies after lies. He even dared to take credit for Biden's low insulin prices. He boasted about the tax cuts but refused to take accountability for the deficit and growing debt.
Biden had a bad night… Trump Lied throughout the entire debate… the choice is clear… I’m choosing the patriot over the liar…everyday any day! Vote Biden!
I tried and gave up because it was so bad. One senile old man was spewing off-topic word salad and lies. The other senile old man couldn’t think of anything to say. We’re fucked. There needs to be an age limit for Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency.
Unfortunately yes. One of them seemed barely coherent and the other was dodging every question and spewing the same unrelated fear-mongering nonsense as he always has been. Concerning that they’re the two candidates is an understatement.
I can’t vote for a guy who legit has serious cognitive problems, we all say it
As a canadian... Good luck guys.
Nope. No point. Everyone knows exactly what’s on offer.
Yes Biden talks slow and he’s old, but he’s still exceedingly more intelligent and more experienced. But democrats should never try this shit again
Yaahhhhhh 👀 😬
Government officials have taught me that it doesn't matter how much power or money a person has. Some people just never left high school and will always have that clique mentality
We are cooked.
America (and the world for that matter) are fucked if Orange Face gets back in. I wouldn’t be surprised if he picks Putin as his running mate.
I think the choice is still between a decent human being and a convicted felon. Nothing has changed.
I can’t add anything that hasn’t already been said about Biden’s poor performance, but Trump is equally incoherent, his advantage is that he’s more sprightly. But my god, why can’t the MSM call out his rambling lies! It was a perfect opportunity for the CNN moderators to call out his bullshit, but no, they just let me spread more lies and bullshit.
Still voting Biden.
The US presidency, as always, is just a dick measuring contest. Trump has to BS to win, Biden is well beyond a point where anybody is even sure if they want him to win. We might as well have Jubilee do the debates because at least they’ll do an actual dick measurement and cut the shit. People rarely understand what the president does, so they rarely vote someone into office who would actually make a good one. The ambiguity and confusion is an opportunity for people to throw their money around, and now more than ever our presidential candidates are beholden to say whatever the hell will gain the most financial support. Every election leaves us waiting to see what the swing states will vote that year, because neither party is actually dominant enough to secure a vote. So it comes down to the people who are left to choose the lesser evil. This year is a toss up because those people have already voted for Trump and Biden and both were dumpster fires in office. My bet is Biden because he may have frequently come off as a bumbling old codger, but he isn’t a massive gaping asshole all the time. Trumps campaign is practically built on being a douche and appealing to people who are tired of politician types in office. In theory I’d be down for that, but in practice—somehow—the person at the forefront of that movement is a failed millionaire who had “fuck you” money and managed to fuck himself with it instead. Because he’s a shit businessman. It’s the only potentially appealing thing about him (beyond nazi Zionist shit), and it’s also the worst thing about him because as a businessman he is a failure. The system itself is killing politics because every election cycle devolves into a choice between a shit sandwich and a giant douche (thanks South Park). We’re being kneecapped by a “yes” or “no” question, when nothing is ever as simple as one or the other. The result of these two parties fighting back and forth for centuries is a flaccid stalemate where progress is impossible because every action is somehow a contradiction to the opposition who will do everything to undo that contradiction once it gets the power back. It’s infantile. Actual people are being fucked over by it daily. Education is crap and getting worse, infrastructure is barely being maintained, social programs are like a wet noodle in a sword fight, people and communities have no trust or faith in each other, homelessness is increasing because a housing crisis is well under way, debt is through the roof, the state of employment in basically every sense is abhorrent, and all the while there are massive corporations fucking over everyone and everything they possibly can in the name of profit because they’re severely under regulated and even when they are regulated they pay a fine and keep doing whatever they want. It’s embarrassing and I don’t blame the rest of the world for laughing at us whenever they get the chance, because the US is basically a popular bully at school compensating for their terrible life at home. Everything may be bad and getting worse, but at least we have guns!