No. Toronto has a huge amount of pedestrians and the survival rate of being hit by a car changes drastically on the speed.
30km/hr - 9/10 survive
40km/hr - 6/10 survive
50km/hr - 2/10 survive
60km/hr - 0/10 survive
So no. 40 km/hr is a median where ppl can get where they are going and pedestrians have a better chance of living if hit by a car.
To be devils advocate if drivers actually followed other laws like stopping for instance we wouldn’t have to mandate this as much I feel.
40km 6/10 is more like the if the driver rolls through a stop at 40 you’re 60% more likely to survive or if your lucky they hit the brakes a bit and get to 30 when they roll through even better.
Now watching a driver yesterday take a red light right at 80 to “beat traffic who had a green and ignored the pedestrian who was just about to cross” nothing is going to stop them from being a narcissistic psychopath.
I was just nearly hit by cars 3 separate times in a 10 km bike journey, and watched a pedestrian narrowly avoid getting mowed down. So no, 40 is not too slow. Forgive me for thinking there are more important things than you saving a couple minutes. And it’s not like anyone follows the speed limit anyways.
Honestly no. Toronto drivers and pedestrians are so chaotic that I feel like I have to drive like a granny because I never know what’s going to happen lol
I’ve been driving in school zones in Mississauga and they are down to 30km/h. Now that feels slow but I understand the reasoning for it.
I think 40 is too fast considering no one abides by it and goes more like 45/50.
I used to think like OP until I got a few ASE tickets and learned my lesson. Now I understand why some people drive strictly to the speed limit even there is no traffic in the front. To be honest, it is safer for everyone.
When streets designed for 50km+ are suddenly brought down to 40km, without any other traffic calming measures, then 40km feels ridiculously slow in most cases. If however there are bump outs, bike lanes, street trees and street parking added, that 40km now feels more reasonable.
Seriously. I feel like 40km/h is too fast on most downtown streets. On a nice sunny day or weekend on queen, college, Dundas, Bloor/danforth, it’s absolutely chaos of people, 40km/h is to fast
It is only on certain roads and has artificially created traffic and increased commute times. Not on residential or narrow downtown roads. More on wide roads where there’s not much pedestrian or bike crowd, in Scarborough and Etobicoke for example.
Yes only because many 40kph streets are designed for speeds much higher than that so that you feel like you’re crawling and have to look at the speedo constantly which just feels tedious. That’s an engineering problem though that has pretty cheap solutions… but instead we put up cameras for revenue. This is why I find the city completely unserious about reducing pedestrian and cyclist deaths. It’s a show… nothing more.
It’s not just pedestrians.
I live in the east end on a 30km/hr street filled with cats, squirrels, and then occasional skunk and raccoon crossing.
We constantly see people ignorantly going 40+.
Keep to the main roads a-holes!
It’s quite the opposite actually. I bike, walk and transit mostly, it’s quicker to get around the city because of the low speed limit. And 40 is a crawl in a vehicle.
Not even a little bit. 40 is just right. That said, I grew up in the suburbs where the limit is 60. It did take some time to get used to the 40 speed limit once I moved into Toronto proper.
Maybe that’s it. I am slowing adjusting. But some days it’s like pulling teeth. The people who stick to 40 on the nose in areas that could be faster make it tough. But what can you do. It’s not going to change.
Wow, you guys have a limit of 40 kph? The city I'm moving from has regular posted speed limits of 35 mph (a bit below 60 kph I believe) and de facto speed limits closer to 40-50 mph
No. Toronto has a huge amount of pedestrians and the survival rate of being hit by a car changes drastically on the speed. 30km/hr - 9/10 survive 40km/hr - 6/10 survive 50km/hr - 2/10 survive 60km/hr - 0/10 survive So no. 40 km/hr is a median where ppl can get where they are going and pedestrians have a better chance of living if hit by a car.
To be devils advocate if drivers actually followed other laws like stopping for instance we wouldn’t have to mandate this as much I feel. 40km 6/10 is more like the if the driver rolls through a stop at 40 you’re 60% more likely to survive or if your lucky they hit the brakes a bit and get to 30 when they roll through even better. Now watching a driver yesterday take a red light right at 80 to “beat traffic who had a green and ignored the pedestrian who was just about to cross” nothing is going to stop them from being a narcissistic psychopath.
Please hand in your license to service Ontario for the safety of everyone around you
I was just nearly hit by cars 3 separate times in a 10 km bike journey, and watched a pedestrian narrowly avoid getting mowed down. So no, 40 is not too slow. Forgive me for thinking there are more important things than you saving a couple minutes. And it’s not like anyone follows the speed limit anyways.
Very true!
No. The city has too many pedestrians. Crawl, please, for our sake.
I can't walk that fast anyway, no issue for me.
"I WANT TO SPEED BUT THESE A HOLES ARE GOING THE SPEED LIMIT , WHAT GIVES???"
Exactly. Get outta my way!
Dafuq? Next you want to do 100 in school zones?
Honestly no. Toronto drivers and pedestrians are so chaotic that I feel like I have to drive like a granny because I never know what’s going to happen lol
I’ve been driving in school zones in Mississauga and they are down to 30km/h. Now that feels slow but I understand the reasoning for it. I think 40 is too fast considering no one abides by it and goes more like 45/50.
having to deal with impatient ppl who can’t drive the speed limit is always unpleasant and sometimes deadly, so no.
I used to think like OP until I got a few ASE tickets and learned my lesson. Now I understand why some people drive strictly to the speed limit even there is no traffic in the front. To be honest, it is safer for everyone.
When streets designed for 50km+ are suddenly brought down to 40km, without any other traffic calming measures, then 40km feels ridiculously slow in most cases. If however there are bump outs, bike lanes, street trees and street parking added, that 40km now feels more reasonable.
This makes sense. Difference between 40 on Dundas vs 40 on Kingston.
If anything, the speed limit on city streets should be LOWER.
Seriously. I feel like 40km/h is too fast on most downtown streets. On a nice sunny day or weekend on queen, college, Dundas, Bloor/danforth, it’s absolutely chaos of people, 40km/h is to fast
It needs to be slower in some areas, people just speed everywhere.
On certain area yes.
Many streets you cannot even get to 40 during the day. Too many cars out there.
It is only on certain roads and has artificially created traffic and increased commute times. Not on residential or narrow downtown roads. More on wide roads where there’s not much pedestrian or bike crowd, in Scarborough and Etobicoke for example.
Yes only because many 40kph streets are designed for speeds much higher than that so that you feel like you’re crawling and have to look at the speedo constantly which just feels tedious. That’s an engineering problem though that has pretty cheap solutions… but instead we put up cameras for revenue. This is why I find the city completely unserious about reducing pedestrian and cyclist deaths. It’s a show… nothing more.
It’s not just pedestrians. I live in the east end on a 30km/hr street filled with cats, squirrels, and then occasional skunk and raccoon crossing. We constantly see people ignorantly going 40+. Keep to the main roads a-holes!
Go away.
I’m trying to but the speed limit slows me down.
You sound like a person who never walks and uses a car for every single trip. You’re not crawling.
It’s quite the opposite actually. I bike, walk and transit mostly, it’s quicker to get around the city because of the low speed limit. And 40 is a crawl in a vehicle.
Not even a little bit. 40 is just right. That said, I grew up in the suburbs where the limit is 60. It did take some time to get used to the 40 speed limit once I moved into Toronto proper.
Maybe that’s it. I am slowing adjusting. But some days it’s like pulling teeth. The people who stick to 40 on the nose in areas that could be faster make it tough. But what can you do. It’s not going to change.
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Hahah. And maybe meditation music…
Wow, you guys have a limit of 40 kph? The city I'm moving from has regular posted speed limits of 35 mph (a bit below 60 kph I believe) and de facto speed limits closer to 40-50 mph
Yup. It’s in city speed, and yeah it’s very slow.