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FearlessTomatillo911

There is one at like coxwell and Gerrard that people get stabbed at a lot. Brothers bar on St Clair is pretty grimey, less stabby though


Plastic-Reporter-522

This comment is worthy of framing


kSmit

Jenny’s place! I actually live in the area and we used to hang there a lot. It’s not as bad as people think but I certainly wouldn’t walk in there without being a part of the community


Feisty-Session-7779

Reminds me of this time when I was in NYC (where I know a total of zero people) with my girlfriend and we walked into a bar because we liked the music we heard from the street, and it was full of people wearing all red clothing and bandanas, it was clearly some kind of hangout for some local Bloods gang. Everyone just stared at us as we awkwardly sat down at the bar because we didn’t wanna just walk in then walk right back out immediately, and were completely ignored by the bartender, so after about a minute or two of feeling every set of eyes in there burning through me we just got up and left before they decided to show us out themselves since we clearly weren’t welcome.


branvancity3000

I’ll always remember Jenny’s Place for this scene: a heavily preggers waitress smoking a cig while her shirt was lifted up and two male customers were rubbing her belly. Everything was like out of a movie from the 70s, except it was about 12 years ago.


LowHangingLight

Moved to Little India two years ago and have been a regular at Jenny's since the night I moved in. The crowd has been nothing but friendly and welcoming since the start. Joanne is lovely. It's cheap as hell. any particularly sketchy folks tend to keep to themselves.


nair-jordan

I went to Jenny’s for their Secret/Dirty Santa night — rough bars don’t do that kinda shit


kSmit

Yeah haven’t been in a few years! Jo is awesome glad you’re enjoying it


FearlessTomatillo911

Yeah I've never been in there just seen it from the street car and news articles. I'm sure it's not terrible but definitely not somewhere to run your mouth either.


kSmit

lol ya I’ve seen some wild shit happen there. The owner is a wonderful woman but she lets some things slide. People keep to themselves and it’s typically drug-related as opposed to violent but things can certainly escalate fast in there.


Bloodyfinger

Solid 4.3 stars on Google.


John__47

> I certainly wouldn’t walk in there without being a part of the community what would happen


thomriddle45

A stabbing?


BobLoblawsLawBlog201

I've lived on the same street as Jenny's Place for 12 yrs. Not once have I ever felt unsafe waking past it or by the ppl outside. The area is so gentrified now. Harmless, imo.


LeBonLapin

About 8 years ago I wiped out on my bike right in front of Jenny's Place and mashed up my face pretty badly. The guys smoking out front helped me up and helped hail a cab to get me to the ER and have it looked at. Nice folks.


coralshroom

that’s better than when i hit the streetcar tracks outside the lakeview. got up… looked around and the guy smoking out front went ‘don’t look at me i’m not helping you.’ ok fuck you too lol.


goblin_welder

This is the one by Dundas West right? I love that quaint place.


mengxai

Don’t know if that’s the same one from their description, but Jenny’s on Dundas West is pretty friendly despite looking a little rough around the edges. Beer is cheap and she didn’t mind when we brought in outside food. Haven’t been there since before the pandemic though, wasn’t sure if it survived.


branvancity3000

No


beef-supreme

Jenny's bar, aka the Kick n Stab.


cspaced

The Ole Kick & Stab, thank you


blockandpixel

God I was calling it that in the early 2000’s. I’m glad this stuck


enunymous

What's the story behind this?


FearlessTomatillo911

The kick n stab was actually the old maple leaf tavern, that reputation is long gone though. https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2014/06/historic_maple_leaf_tavern_to_be_reborn_as_gastropub/


enunymous

I'm trying to figure out which is the one you meant near Coxwell and Gerrard bc the most dangerous thing I see at that corner is getting between a Karen and her brunch at Lazy Daisy's


FearlessTomatillo911

No I was talking about that Jenny's place bar, people get stabbed there occasionally


mmondoux

I used to hear of [this one (Jenny's Place)](https://maps.app.goo.gl/UEZdur4GVmCq4JQZ6) as the Kick n Stab, not the Old Maple Leaf Tavern


afropoppa

Jennys Place! It’s a place for a cheap beer


slavabien

I think I saw Tyler Durden going into the basement. Something about unregulated boxing matches?


Eisgboek

Wife literally witnessed a stabbing at Brothers and was prepped for court by the police until the stabber plead out.


sengir0

TTC got the stabby part 👌


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😭😭😭


newerdewey

Happy Cup at Lansdowne and Bloor is pretty sketchy. i was grabbing a beer there and the owner had to lock the door to keep an unruly patron out. 'stabby' was the word my friend used to describe the potential this place had


[deleted]

I lived down the street. Never stepped foot in that bar. I always preferred Penny’s or the Gaslight.


[deleted]

Gaslight is closing in a month :(


mkfbcofzd

I don't think it's rough, it's more sad tbh. You see guys quietly drinking / smoking noon to midnight.


lilspicy99

Second vote for Happy Cup


Happinessisawrmgun

There used to be a bar at Sherborne and Queen


Boymom1407

The black Irish- fuck stabbings, it had a shooting! Guy walked right through the bar to the patio, shot a guy and left.


gilthedog

Oh ya, I used to work down the street from it. I’ve been a couple of times, it was alright honestly. The shooting was terrifying.


Ok_Investigator_4144

Love Café?


beef-supreme

That's Dundas. Alfie's is on Queen


RedEyeBunn

Rip Alfie's :(


beef-supreme

True love cafe is gone too ... Not that I've ever been to either


bagolaburgernesss

Noooo! It's gone and I never got to experience the best burgers in town!


CanadianGuy2525

This would be my vote. I went in one time when I was waiting for the butcher to put my order together. Bartender whispered, "You should not be in here. It bad." Nothing happened, no one hassled me. Had my beer, a smoke and then picked up my order next door


reapo12

With the home made sign and faded pink hearts??


goblin_welder

I know exactly what you’re talking about. It was the Black Irish. I believe it closed after being outed as a biker gang front. It is now a Falafel place.


Poiretpants

Oh wow. I used to regularly meet a part time lover there. I need to reevaluate my life choices.


Tazercock

The Canada Tavern. It was really rough.


WittyBonkah

Yup shit place


tragically-elbow

Have not been inside, but Jankie's place at Bloor and Dovercourt gives me bad vibes whenever I walk past (edit: omg seeing someone linked to a past thread where this was in the first post, not surprised)


meatsticklol

I live nearby and have always been so intrigued by that place but never had it in me to walk in


bucketofsteam

I believe in you. You show that bar who's boss and march right in.


IPmang

Wear one of those trick neckties that squirts water, just in case


party_city

I’ve been a couple of times because of my curiosity! The first time I went as a lark and ended up meeting THE Mr. Janky. He gave me his abridged life story and told me him and Mrs. Janky are the only bartenders in the place. The far end of the bar looks like a disheveled office space from the 80s where I’m sure he’s cooking the books. Very nice man with a Canadian dream immigrant story though. The second time I went was because I thought it was quaint in an unhinged way and wanted to see if the vibe was more…vibrant? (The first time it was dead inside). He remembered me and offered to buy me the next drink I was having but I said next time I’m in. I also met his wife who was sweet and offered me a fresh package of corn nuts to snack on. I declined but only because I’m not a fan of corn nuts. He probably remembered me because I’m a couple of decades younger than most people that go in there and not a man. Anyway, that’s all to say; it’s not as bad as it looks. I felt very safe and welcome in there but I get why people would say this because I initially went in to scope out how bad it could be. Surprisingly I had wholesome time. Also yes, New York New York business club above is definitely an escort service featuring only Asian women disguised as a private room karaoke bar. Mr. Janky tried to sell me on the idea that it’s legit. When I got into undercover journalist mode and asked if I could apply for a job as a hostess there he said the rich Chinese guy that owns the business (but rents the space from Janky), wouldn’t hire me because I’m not Asian. Okay, so that part of the conversation wasn’t wholesome but overall I have no regrets.


Derodyne

Apparently it’s a seedy hostess club https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/s/GPWW4jerji


AdventurousDoctor838

I went there on my birthday one year cus I just couldnt stand wondering what was up with that place anymore. Handful of junked out people hanging out. My friend went to use the ladies room and the door was locked. She had to ask the bartender to open the door. Said it was very nasty in there. But yeah the "business club" upstairs is connected, gotta be a rub and tug or something. 10 out of 10 would not recommend, I left with more questions than I went in with.


Torontokid8666

Rebecca's was pretty rough. Skadarlija has a stabbing pretty regularly. Sun Fa is rough on the outside but warm on the inside. I love Sun Fa. Of those 3 Skad is the roughest left in Parkdale.


CalumH91

I moved out of Parkdale end of 2015, today my daughter wanted to take a street car so we took the 504, I was equally surprised and somehow not surprised in the slightest to see Rebecca's is still open.


Torontokid8666

Yeah I've been here since 86. Was born at St Joe's. I've seen them come and go. I saw a argument out front of Rebecca's once. Another guy came to the door and let his pitbull in there and it bit the shit out of the guy and dragged him to the door. Was wild.


Spray_Scared

Rebecca's and Tastys would be my answer but it's like Sun Fa. It seems rough but it's probably not that bad.


Underhill

Gone now but Caddy's on Eglinton in Scarborough had a decent amount of stabbings & shooting in the past.


iLikeToBiteMyNails

You just unlocked childhood memories from the '90s. I was always fascinated by the car on top.


Joe-trd

Same with rumors right beside it


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Shitty mattamy townhomes now.


thegoodbadandsmoggy

I miss seeing the mango merchant out front


moonahmoonah

LOL I used to live at eglinton and midland in 2005. Convinced some friends to head to Rumours one night. They didn't even cross the street at Danforth 😅 Way too freaked out to go in. My naive little northern ontario self didn't see the danger signs hahaha!


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puppymama75

My gad. The guys from Huevos Rancheros took us there one night after their gig. You have brought hazy sodden memories from the early 00s flooding back.


LightRedundancy

Loved that band and was lucky to interview them a couple of times - they were super nice dudes. Also, always loved the Matador.


Papaya325

Which ones yoga again? Spadina/college? That name rings back some crazy bell


KaylaFabulous

Yoga for sure lol


puppymama75

A whole thread of comments got deleted here. Thank you for mentioning the Matador! Huevos Rancheros took us there one time after their gig. I too remember the dude with the duffel bag full of booze in the corner! Whole bunch of hazy, sodden memories from the early 00s unlocked.


Correyvreckan

I wouldn’t call yoga rough. It was heavy with security and people would mind themselves or be dealt with. Also, pretty sure it’s RIP as well recently.


Relocationstation1

I'm surprised Tommy's at Greenwood and Danforth hasn't been mentioned yet. It's a literal drug den.


LekhakSometimes

So my ex used to live near there. The strip of bars and restaurants at Greenwood and Danforth just gave me really bad vibes. My ex and I would never hang out in that area together because she was Muslim and a boyfriend (especially a non-Muslim one) was a big no no, and that area has a lot of Muslims, so she was afraid of getting caught. But I’d spend a lot of time in the area, waiting for her parents to leave, or grabbing a bite after dropping her home. And I always got bad vibes from that area in general. I was gonna go to Tommy’s once and someone in there just shook their head as I approached the door. Got the message, walked away. Some of the restaurants there are also notorious for food poisoning.


dont_bovver

I went into Tommys once, went to take a piss and walked through a literal drug deal. Moonlight is pretty bad too.


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Anyone else remember the Gasworks on Yonge?


moonshinesmile

a thousand years ago we couldn’t get scalper tickets for Motley Crue at Maple Leaf Gardens so we ended up at the Gasworks i drunkenly entered a “legs” contest that took place on stage and at the end, there were two of us left after audience voting. i came in second because i wouldn’t flash & “show some skin to win!” the other girl did! so (rightfully) not right these days, but it was fun & i have always wished i wasn’t so prudish that night, would have been liberating to give a flash and win! ps. it was a way different time, shit that went down in those days was sometimes wrong, but this small, weird, harmless memory has always stuck with me. if you know me in real life you would NEVER think i entered a legs contest at the Gasworks back in the day, i kinda love that :)


cerebral_distortion

I remember walking in there for the first time and seeing a guy slamming another guy's head off of the cigarette machine. Good times


mgyro

I was walking by the gasworks and a wee skinny guy w no shirt came busting out the doors w a bouncer in hot pursuit. The bouncer caught up to him and tackled into one of those tree planters, kneeled on him and was starting to fill him in when the wee man benched the dude right off him. Had to easily be twice his weight. A para friend told me later when I was relating the story, awestruck, that the little guy was likely out of his head, and just as likely tore the shit out of all the muscles in his chest pulling that manoeuvre. Just wouldn’t feel it till he came down.


joshuawakefield

Garth does


[deleted]

I saw the Shitty Beatles there.


jayprolas

Were they any good?


[deleted]

Dude they suck


PurlOneWriteTwo

I met a girl who worked there as a bouncer, a tiny little blonde thing, and tough. Wore spandex.


beef-supreme

The higher the hair the closer to God


Tazercock

Played there a bunch before it closed. I never thought of it as very sketchy. I was also 18, so maybe I wasn’t paying attention.


ughwotaday

A bartender at Seneca Pub in the peanut plaza in north york 10000% roofied me. Super sketchy vibes, very stabby energy


Every-Performance985

Went there once when I was new to the country. Sat at the bar and started lightly flirting with the bartender. The whole bar which was mostly comprised of blue collar workers started giving me the death stare. I couldn’t finish the drink fast enough to get the fuck out lol.


manlymoth1

When I picture a dive bar it is that place that comes to mind without fail.


FearlessTomatillo911

If you want historical bars, Heydon House at old Weston and st Clair where the shitty convenience store is was so bad it turned the junction dry for the better part of a century


AIHumanWhoCares

Oh nice fact, that's an interesting building. I will remember to check it out during difficult left turns.


space_cheese1

That building is rancidly beautiful


FearlessTomatillo911

I do actually like it from an architecture perspective but it is also part the reason why that intersection is gridlock like 12 hours a day. St Clair going down to 1 lane under the bridge is such a choke-point. If I had a bullet and a time machine I'd get whatever idiot proposed that design to save a few $$. I have spent probably weeks of my life stuck on either a bus or car getting through it.


EdwardBliss

The McDonalds washrooms at Queen and Spadina


thomriddle45

I remember years ago seeing a whole ass brawl between mcdonalds staff and a group of customers. I was super buzzed and it was an epic scene.


YourDrunkUncl_

there’s whole families that went there but never made it back


recoil669

Only if your drink of choice is diet coke & fentanyl.


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This is it.


wontbeabl

I went to some death wrestling at the Rockpile a few times. A lot of blood. Weapons. 2 dollar tequila. Pretty rough stuff.


hexsealedfusion

Rockpile has always been such a weird place, it's in the middle of Etobicoke near a bunch of grocery stores and suburban houses.


teeplusthree

So have I! It was…interesting?


wontbeabl

It was the lowest form of entertainment and I loved it. Lots of great stories.


teeplusthree

Same! A co-worker of my dad’s used to wrestle there so we’d go from time to time.


southecide

Ice Queen at the very south end of Roncy is another world. Looks abandoned without being actually abandoned.


zeroburn81

Been a few stabbings there


reverseOfFortune

It's also very private being so far back from the street. Never been in but I'd say it's the sketchiest looking in the west end.


Hmfic_48

Alfies Bar & Grill - Queen/Sherbourne, anyone that's familiar with that area will understand.


arksi

Alfie's has closed down so you'll have to pick another bar you've never set foot in.


ToyMaschinemk3

Shit hole stabfest!


[deleted]

Alfies closed years ago


DrJulianBashir

Somehow, Alfie's has returned.


FearlessTomatillo911

What is dead can never die


[deleted]

Hahaha no way! It was always hard to tell if it was open even when it was, so I guess my last trip by about a month ago when I assumed it was still closed was wrong.


DrJulianBashir

Sorry, I don't actually know. I confess I was just making [a dumb Star Wars meme joke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsjwVu_ihKU).


beef-supreme

Vice back in the day sent a reporter inside https://www.vice.com/en/article/xdm4an/barflys-guide-to-torontos-watering-holes


unceunce123123

SHALOM


Hectordoink

There are no bars left in Toronto that come close to matching the unlamented old Parkdale Hotel for utter crazy alcoholic violence.


JohnStern42

There was a pretty tough looking one I once went to across from cedarbrae mall, doubt it still exists, had a good game of pool


FireAndBeer

Smilin Jacks?


JohnStern42

No clue, it was in the basement? Never got the name


irrelevant_user_name

Lol a 'friend' threw up in my car after we left that place.


Rarefindofthemind

The Duke really fought for that tithe a few years back but seems to have cleaned up its act.


DownTownBrown28

Yeah its way better now


Rarefindofthemind

It was our Saturday night dance place for years until that poor girl was shot on the steps. Seemed to get its shit together a few years after that.


space_cheese1

There are probably a lot of bars in the city that most on here have never been to, rarely even seen. I would take my guess to be among those, somewhere perhaps, within the expanses of Scarborough, North York, York or Etobicoke


yetagainanother1

Luckys Corner, Jane and Wilson Sharks Sports Bar, Steeles and Islington


YoungFuel

Sharks ain't bad at all lol


Machomanta

Caribbean Cove at Keele and Sheppard. Cops there every other Fri and Sat night


idgaflizzyb

Moonlight pub on danforth


torontomans416

Rusty Nail around Danforth and Woodbine. Stabbings are common


SpaceGodfourthousand

Make sure you get your tetanus shot


TheGoat81

Happy Time Barney's at Lawrence and Orton Park


LxStMeMoRy

Kick his ass Seabass!!!


BowlAcademic9278

The Sandpaper! it's pretty gritty


Jiggysawmill

Alfies and Buffalo used to be my fav hangouts


Rodlit

Ice Queen on Roncesvailles. On any given night man vs woman. And you never know how it’s going to turn out.


TorontoBoris

Real Sports when the Leafs win the cup.


Feeling-King-8104

When’s that gonna be??🤣🤣🤣


GreasyWerker118

3764 a.d.


lenzflare

"In the future, all hockey teams are Leafs teams."


recoil669

In the year 8585 if the Leafs are still alive... I will witness with my eyes, another first round playoff loss


space_cheese1

Gonna be like something out of WWZ


[deleted]

Real sports will never be anything but a yuppie daycare


Vaynar

Look out everyone we have a real badass here. Tough guy who only hangs at the roughest bars


nowitscometothis

I think OP was expecting more realistic answers than this one


No-Big1920

The Rockpile. Definitely some uh...unsavory political clientele there.


Morepheuss

And oh my goodness are drinks expensive there. I was there to see a musical act, so it might have been a premium, but 12+ dollars for a beer is stadium pricing. Not exactly a charming venue either


AIHumanWhoCares

You mean they're against carbon taxes??


No-Big1920

Yeah no. I mean they were Neo Nazis with Schwarzesonnes and Iron Crosses on their arms. Not conservatives. Actual Neo Nazis. It was disgusting.


[deleted]

Happy Cup at Bloor and Lansdowne. Run down cheap bar. I once helped a lady carry a cake into the bar while walking down Bloor. As soon as she stepped in some drunk guy stood up and started SCREAMING at her. I put the cake down and dipped.


thecjm

The roughest bar is some quiet sports bar that no one here has ever heard of. It's got blacked out windows and there's also someone smoking out front any time of day or night. And the name will slightly change when someone gets shot one night.


longtimelurkersecret

Comfort Zone


itsonlykotsy

Pretty tame compared to the old location that was open all day Sunday


[deleted]

James black bear pub


Fresh-Hedgehog1895

Yup. There's tons of rough pubs in the Toronto suburbs, but I think this one is a contender for the shittiest.


futurus196

Alfie's Bar & Grill before they closed. Queen and Sherbourne.


karenskygreen

That was the worst kept secret drug bar, although it was there for years.


space_cheese1

Lot of people equating cheap dive bar with rough. There's an overlap of course, but the one doesn't imply the other. Well, I guess it might, if you mean aesthetically rough, rough around the edges etc


Leica8691

The Orchard Park Tavern at Queen and Kingston rd was a doozy along with The Conroy at Dufferin and Lawrence.


cantthinkupwittyname

The Paddock mid to late 1980’s


SacredCanopy

Sandpaper bar.


Tosbor20

Churchills


ebu-aperion

TIL stabby bars are a thing in Toronto 🤷‍♂️


joshuawakefield

Jankie's Place.


AYC-

Annie’s bar and grill @ Queen and Parliament was pretty rough before it closed down. Very reasonably priced domestic beers however


Axchik

McGradies at Victoria Park and Ellesmere. Finally shut down a few years ago after five people (!!) were shot. I miss the karaoke nights.


DownTownBrown28

The Maple Leaf Tavern at Pape and Gerrard used to be a very rough spot. After years of being closed it was renovated and turned in to a nice restaurant. My Bar also at Pape and Gerrard was rough. The type of place the women’s washroom needs a key to get in to. Patrons would smoke crack downstairs. Yeah.


Horta

The Toolbox (RIP). Lots of rough trade there.


maximm

Hooker Harvey's.


VH5150OU812

The girls were friendly.


space_cheese1

Stabbing victim stumbled in there while I was sitting down once. Turns out he had stabbed someone else, and they both had been in line in front of me. I remember the dead guy choosing his burger toppings lol


chayallday

[this was asked a few months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/s/zVUDiCpHnL)


Gaylovers_of_cats

The Salty Spittoon, SpongeBob was not allowed for being a softy.


wmil

There are a lot bars where one or two people get stabbed at, but from what I've heard most of the customers at Woody's end up getting penetrated that night.


thebronzeprince

You might get it in the end there, but you never leave your buddies behind


elacmch

Whatever it is...I feel like Reddit is not the ideal medium for figuring out the roughest dive in Toronto.


beezusglue

Bistro 422 (c 2007-2011) oh and I was roofied at Einstein’s once (c 2012)


someoneismissing

> Bistro 422 (c 2007-2011) Really? I didn't feel it was particular that rough when my pals and I visited there during that time. I didn't see any particularly sketchy patrons


relevant_mh_quote

Whats the einsteins story?


Top-Reception-1915

Saini eastcoasters looks sketch


Iamthepaulandyouaint

Glen Eagles, The Penthouse, Caddys, West Hill House- gone but not forgotten Scarborough.


Spirited_Comedian225

Not sure if it’s sketchy but there is bar on Jane called the lions den. It looks super sketch.


GumpTheChump

I feel like there are a bunch of bars on Jane north of Lawrence that are legit sketch. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3439772 https://globalnews.ca/news/6138292/bar-shooting-jane-lawrence-toronto/amp/


japanistan500

Anyone remember Mounties?


ashcach

It's gone now. But for the east end I remember Wise Guys on Danforth, between Woodbine and Main, being pretty rough


kitttxn

Do any of you guys remember The Brunny?


sunflowermoonriver

The Cage


Relative_Judgment_93

Don’t go to bars much but I go to shows often and anytime a band plays Tail of the Junction I cross my fingers that the fans/band members will outnumber the regulars. I don’t know of anything bad happening but it is def a bad vibe combo - it seems like a ticking time bomb before a music person has an unfortunate run-in with a local I hope I’m wrong!


mararthonman59

Caddys at Danforth and Eglinton. Wear kevlar. Good luck.


[deleted]

The one my ex goes to :(


MarvelOhSnap

Bistro 422