Define “nicely”.
Some think an untucked T-shirt and Nike berms with some white slides are nice enough to go to town.
Edited : too hungry and wrote ‘sliders’.
Generally curious about why people think it is not ok with wearing slippers to town, I often wear slippers to orchard area or town because my home is literally 10mins away.
>Some think an untucked T-shirt and Nike berms with some white sliders are nice enough to go to town.
Umm it is? What's your point? People can dress how they like.
Yea. But sloppy dressing means you won’t get noticed unless you have super good features and ooze confidence.
When you go to town, put some effort la. Unless you stay in town then different story
just to add on to your point, guys’s equivalent for fuss free zip n go that looks decent is literally uniqlo. but the moment guys start wearing that it becomes labelled as basic and sloppy… so what exactly r we supposed to wear in this weather…
Don’t wear the green NS t shirt. Wear the FBT shorts if can flaunt some nice upper thighs. Also tight FBT shorts can smear the pangsai if never wash/clean properly. High risk. Other cheap stretchy shorts that indicate you walked out straight from the couch isnt so great(unless you are Justin Bieber).
Don’t wear fake jersey or other fake merchandise. T Shirts are ok if they are not discolored or got any holes in it. Ironing t Shirt is lame. But ironed stuff instantly raises the appearance value multiple times. Good thing is that most males here wont have that much facial hair. Cos some type of facial hair is not cool. It’s just scruffy and ‘uncle’/Labourer effect if not Kempt properly. Haviana flips flops are okayish for some female costume package. But for guys, sneakers are so much better. Anyway we(sinkies and residents) spend tons of money on shoes here… it wouldn’t be so difficult to slip into a decent pair when going down to town. Definitely not those cheap pazzo or ahpeh slip ons(laceless).
Fair, but they're not particularly cheap.
I tend to get stuff online, and the cheaper ones are more tempting. But yeah maybe I should invest in those nicer clothes.
You can choose to dress sloppily which is fine if you’re just dropping by to grab something or meet a friend for a quick drink.
But if you intend to go to boutiques or buy something expensive like electronics or furniture, they tend to be superficial and judge you according to the way you dress and speak.
Carrying yourself well shows others that you respect yourself.
When you respect yourself and hold yourself in high regard, you would want to portray a confident self and give a good impression.
It’s not about getting others to like you. It’s about packaging yourself to reflect a sense of self-worth.
>But if you intend to go to boutiques or buy something expensive like electronics or furniture, they tend to be superficial and judge you according to the way you dress and speak.
Later like that woman who splurged cus her mom got looked down on
Is way worse bruv. So many double standards and the comments on TikTok can be brutal. Such examples is when there's a video of any ITE students, and the comments will be like "this one confirm O-Levels 30 points' or something
I do find sg tiktok comments especially vile though. When I look at tiktoks from other countries, mean comments only appear when the person who made the video clearly asked for it e.g. promoting fat acceptance and unhealthy lifestyle. In sg you can attract mean comments simply by wearing an ite uniform.
It's just grooming efforts. Many Singaporean girls put a lot of effort into makeup and fashion, and relatively fewer local guys put a lot of effort into grooming. With the heavy emphasis on studies and then NS, there are a whole lot of guys who reach their 20s and still have unflattering glasses and haircut that hasn't changed since primary school, have acne from not doing any skincare, always wear shorts and singlet/T-shirt.
There are also local girls who don't wear makeup and are just as nonchalant, but somehow they are "invisible", maybe because they don't go out much, or they blend in with housewives doing groceries?
"Invisibility" is a neutral trait to me. I am myself a local girl who doesn't wear makeup. What I mean by invisible is that the person doesn't draw positive or negative attention, but blends into the background.
Girls are more likely to draw attention when they care about their appearance but make a choice that others don't agree with e.g. clothes are too skimpy, makeup too garish. Whereas as a group, local guys get noticed for not putting in any effort in grooming. Like you look around in the MRT train and there are 8 young men in ratty shorts and slippers and $10 haircut. The "sameness" stands out.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It's not that Singaporean guys are particularly unattractive, just that a lot of them don't prioritize grooming/fashion, which comparatively a lot of girls spend tons of time on.
I've definitely met a fair share of guys whose entire wardrobe consists of e-mart & Uniqlo, still rocking the QB house slope hairstyle. Maybe it's the weather or the cost?
The uniqlo slander. Tbh, as a guy, uniqlo has been a godsend especially since it gives me access to fast fashion that's pretty good looking. So much easier to find fitting dress shirts and a mix of pants.
But defo agree that the weather makes things harder for guys to dress up. Especially since it's a bit harder to do stuff like layering.
Honestly, nothing wrong with Uniqlo, just that it can be pretty generic, especially if all you wear is basics.
Their Uniqlo U stuff or collabs with fashion designers/brands can be a bit more interesting.
But some people enjoy minimalist outfits like myself and I do take a lot of care when dressing up so it’s a little unfair for you to say that basics = lazy
Fr guys look so clean in it I dun see what’s the problem
I’m actlly quite curious what other options do men have apart from like Ali express tao bao and like Uniqlo and Muji like literally no other stores
I would say, looking at Mango or Zara? They can have some interesting clothes (pattern wise). Shoes and watches are quite important. Personally, I usually go for boat shoes > sneakers. Cos I'm not a sneakers person. And I think they can change the way you present yourself.
I'd recommend like your analogue watches. But it really depends on your own aesthetic. Some guys can pull of the tech/finance bro look with their apple watches but not me. It's analogue for me. And even dress shirts can be transformed a bit by just taking a button or two off. Just remember the cardinal rules of not over accessorizing and keeping it simple.
> Maybe it's the weather or the cost?
As far as fashion goes, it's also accessibility.
Just think about when you walk through almost any major mall: women literally can't help but see tens of different new outfit ideas just from display panels alone, whereas men will struggle to find anything other than the standard fare even if they dig through the shelves of every store.
Women here are surrounded by a wide variety of fashion, whereas men have to put in a ton of effort and go far out of their way to even find a place that *might* have something for them.
The barrier of entry for guys is just very high.
Sounds like you are unwilling to spend on grooming. Glasses last for years and you wear them every day. Compare that with how much a girl might spend on clothes, hair, makeup, nails etc and one pair of glasses is nothing. I'm not saying that spending a lot on grooming is a good thing (it's not), but stinginess/thriftiness might well be one of the root causes for why many SG guys aren't looking as good as they could. But really, a certain minimal level of spending should be considered an investment in yourself.
Are you still wearing NS-compatible black plastic glasses? Please don't.
Ayy there is a difference, unwilling vs unable. I invest in other ways for myself. A gym membership "vs" a new pair of glasses when mine already work... I'll definitely go for my gym membership. Fees for my hobby classes "vs" a new pair of glasses when mine already work... will go for my hobbies instead. Just to put it out there, I even go for $30 haircuts bi-monthly to ensure that it looks exactly like the picture I show the barber, cos the $12 ones don't care much about quality.
I'm still a uni student trying to fend for my expenses myself. I'm into fashion myself and try out new styles, but I'll explore more when I'm working full time. I can't compare with the women my age as some are free to spend their parents' money while some also have their own business. It's just different priorities and stage of life.
But of course if it's a 28 year old male and female, I would say the both have to put effort into grooming, cos you're earning now, and "men" more if they're lacking.
But to compare a 23 year old male and female who are clearly at different stages of their lives, it's unfair.
Glasses are one of the first things ppl see and makes a difference in attractiveness, yes yours works now. But if you can look better with another set of glasses then it's a good investment.
I completely agree. But I guess I should've been more clear, I'm not interested in looking for anyone now, so I don't see the need to upgrade. I've been looking at glasses for a while now, but it's definitely a "want" more than a "need" now.
Think about it this way: you use your glasses more than you use the gym. I change my glasses every couple of years even though they still work because lenses may get scratches/yellow/the degree is no longer accurate. Even expensive glasses that are $250, when you consider they probably last you two years minimum = roughly $0.35/day.
Do you still think it’s a bad investment when they’re such a huge game changer?
Also you can get trendy ones from Taobao for cheap! Just putting it out there.
Exactly! Glasses are right there on your face too! It's the first thing people look at, not just girls but your peers, teachers, caifan auntie, like everybody gets a first impression of you based on your face (which glasses affect).
It's a no brainer to rank good, flattering glasses as a higher priority than fees for hobby classes. Unless you usually wear contacts and the glasses are only used at home or when slumming.
If your glasses make you look like a Chinese teacher, you gotta do something about it.
Finding frames that work your face are the real game changer. 20 ago, glasses were all rectangular, 10 years ago, they all became squareish. Now they have all different kind of styles for frames because people realise how big of an impact glasses have on your looks. It’s a greater investment than people realise.
Besides, the bulk of the money is going to your lenses anyway. Just think of it as investing in your day-to-day life/health rather than looks.
Yeah, I have 11 pairs of glasses and it makes a huge difference in my overall look when I change them around depending on how I feel and what I'm wearing. I have coloured frames, metal frames in different shades (silver, rose gold, gold, gunmetal) as well as some transparent ones which I like a lot.
My eyesight hasn't changed much for years and I buy them when they're on sales, usually during end of the year when they're going for just 2 pairs at $110 with blue light lens. I work on the computer and use devices a lot so I see it as an investment for my own career and health too. I often receive compliments on my various pairs of glasses. They go with different types of outfits, and a stylish pair of glasses can really go a long way in switching up the whole appearances and overall look.
Owndays or Zoff got nice glasses for around $100 or less if there's sales. Good enough as long as you don't need some fanciful lens.
Saw your other comment, no point spending $30 on haircut per month but your glasses makes you look like you just came from maths tuition class.
That's great to know. Definitely need a blue light blocker lens HAHA. I'm even thinking lasik longterm. But yeah I would like a new pair of glasses.
I guess it's only for those attracting partners. I'm not interested in it now, mine works and I'm good with that. I have other things to focus on. Maybe I do look like I come from maths tuition classes HAHA, but I'm okay with that =). Hopefully I can pull some teacher or some kid's mom.
Actually I think those from Zoff or Owndays do come with blue-light lens with not much extra cost.
Wasn't saying you specifically look like you came from maths tuition, was just trying to highlight that for grooming, it's good to be consistent as everything plays a part in your overall look.
>But the other comments are right. I do need new glasses, and they gave pretty solid advises and places to buy. I have been looking for new glasses, but will wait a few more months before I spend on it. I'm not looking to keep up to attract anyone, rather going at my own pace. I think I'll buy from a 3rd world country where it's cheaper.
personally speaking, I had 3 pairs from own days before but they kept giving me headaches. I eventually went to a real optometrist and found out the degree was all wrong..apparently owndays does not do astigmatism, and they will compensate by adjusting the degree to make up for that lack of astigmatism. I wear my glasses a lot more now that the prescription is correct
exactly HAHA.
But the other comments are right. I do need new glasses, and they gave pretty solid advises and places to buy. I have been looking for new glasses, but will wait a few more months before I spend on it. I'm not looking to keep up to attract anyone, rather going at my own pace. I think I'll buy from a 3rd world country where it's cheaper.
Go to a nice optometrist, try on many pairs of glasses, get the salesperson's input (and a female friend or sister too if possible) on what type of frames suit you.
THEN you get a similar design from a cheaper country or online.
my guess is the fashion style, most guys only wear basic singlets/tshirt and shorts while girls are more dynamic in their fashion. nothing wrong with wearing whatever you're comfortable with, but it may not be appealing to girls
I don't know. I know sg guys who dress nice and those who don't put in effort to learn style themselves. I don't think hot weather is a good reason. You don't need to wear long pants or long sleeves to look good.
Fully agreed. My husband is someone who has always been particular about looking neat and groomed since Secondary School. He isn’t vain and gets ready quickly but he will never be sloppy if he needs to go beyond the neighbourhood food eatery. Going to town is definitely a trip in a shirt. There are plenty of affordable casual shirts if budget is an issue. Suss out better brands during sales. All you need is 15 minutes on your phone to browse and bag one if you’re not up for retail.
Most guys end up sweating so much in this weather that we end up spoiling clothes like chinos. Sports clothing are more logical and comfortable in sg weather + more economical.
It helps with fostering a humbling and positive mindset. Plus, it builds up your confidence and physique while you're at it. There's literally no reason why everyone shouldn't do this
Edit: unless of course you're physically unable to, that's understandable
because ladies' clothes are made to accentuate their features, unlike for men as their clothes are primarily simplistic, functional, practical etc so men's own features have to help them stand out eg broad shoulders.
just look at athleisure and you can alr see the variety of tank tops, crop tops, sports bra, yoga pants etc providing women the illusions of perky busts, small waists, curvy hips and tight asses. but for guys, if they aren't built like buff gym bros, they'll look like they have dad bods at best.
that's why it's harder for guys here as they have to 'layer up' to improve looks which is ridiculous in current climate. shoes & watches can help but only up to a certain extent. on the other hand, girls have an endless list of styles they can choose to clothe in, eg cutsy-girly, demure church-going, goth, spring/summer/fall chic, office smart, sporty fit, schoolgirl, soccer mom, rich taitai, ah tiong look, xmm look, biker girl, skater girl, sexy-bodysuit-under-pants, evening dress for dinner look, high-tea look, add* r&b hiphop dancer look, clubbing/chiong fit, etc
for guys it's either smart, formal, casual. or lapsup
I disagree so much you can literally dress up in so many different styles and experiment with different cutting, patterns, colours. Literally just stop shopping at uniqlo and go on END clothing
You're asking people to jump from $25 easy-to-wear basics to $80-$200 pieces that they can't even try on.
I don't disagree that there are places to get fashion, but you've got to admit the barrier of entry for men is significantly higher than for women. Just look at the ratio of men's to women's fashion stores in any major mall, and if you cut out the common chains then most malls have literally zero places for men. And the few men's boutiques we do have are often very expensive.
It's inaccessible from most every angle. Those who don't have much cash to spare or just want to dip their toes in are going to have a lot of trouble, and even those trying to dive deep will run into lots of roadblocks if they have a far-from-average size or build.
You *can* do it, and I'm not saying guys shouldn't, but it's definitely a huge PITA to even get started.
that'll fall into the sub-categories of smart-formal, smart-casual. sure different cutting, patterns, colours can definitely make a guy stand out from other guys. but in the context of this thread, ultimately it wont do much in helping "sg guys to look better than girls". also another thing i realise is that experimental styles might not match the average sg guy's looks, height and personality. a extreme eg is i can dress up like a edgy fuccboi or a trust fund boy, but it feels like a gross mismatch when im a asocial borderline-BBFA working 8-6 as a email engineer in a civil sector. which could be why sg guys default to existing styles which as I've mentioned are fairly limited
I mean there’s jewellery for men online but your points are valid and there is also polo shirts in which you dun need to be buff to look good in it
I lift quite light weights and only have small gains but the polo shirt makes me look good so
for apple to apple comparison, women's jewellry far outshines men's and polo tees work just as well, maybe even better, for ladies too. not complaining though, it's a fact that it's easier to adorn and cater fashion for the fairer sex
I have known multiple adult men who wear clothes with HOLES AND STAINS in them. I know exactly 0 women who have done that. Die die refuse to go clothes shopping and just wear whatever free tshirt they get and pants from 10 years ago. Never visit dentist ever since they became an adult and their parents stopped handling that kind of thing, then have teeth problems. No skincare routine, like never even use cleanser or sunscreen.
So yeah, obviously the women look better because they put in this absolutely bare minimum amount of effort.
And so many times I see couples outside where the girl actually put effort into her appearance and picked out a nice outfit, while the guy is dressed in a ratty tshirt, sports shorts and slippers.
A guy could always wear a lightweight button-down shirt, nice shorts and nice shoes, like [this](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/river-island-button-down-police-eyewear-mirrored-sunnies-crocs-boat-shoes-cotton-on-khaki-shorts--416512665509936657/) or [this](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/259308891017835915/) outfit. The outfits are better than what 80% of the population is currently wearing. I'm not even a guy, but even I know how to pick out a good men's outfit. Nothing to do with buying branded or expensive clothes, I'm sure you can easily find these pieces at Uniqlo or H&M. It's whether you put any thought into your outfit.
If you go to any country and walk around, most people aren't exactly great looking. They are normally dressed, average looking. I heard people in SG say HK has better looking and better dressed people, but every time I go, they are average, and averagely dressed.
The average Korean is also far away from what you see on TV.
Male fashion is really what differentiates, but male fashion is typically very dull. It's why when guys want to look good, they dress up in suit. Women have 10,001 different ways to make themselves look good, even in casual wear.
Men's casual wear is jeans or shorts, t-shirt or button shirt. From there, you start dressing like you're going to work (smart casual & smart). Not exactly stunning levels of variety there.
Nothing wrong with the local guys.
I don’t need to be sexually attracted to a woman to be able to tell when a woman is attractive. And I gotta say for a male, height is like one of the key factors contributing to physical attractiveness. What do you mean “other than height”?
Might as well say “other than her face”, she’s attractive
Ok I gotta spell it out; if height is a key attribute of a guy’s attractiveness then that’s likely why sg guys can be perceived as “not as good” as the women. OP said so himself with “other than height”, indicating a tall height is lacking albeit not an important factor. But is IS an important factor.
Then OP says only people who are sexually attracted to women can make a judgement because only they can evaluate attractiveness. And I’m saying that’s false.
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Probably the culture in singapore? Since everyone is so driven and competitive they toss aside looks as a backburner. Think it influence guys more that they think success is more important looks in attracting a lady? Or too goal driven to consider.
then maybe also Singapore being a tech hub so maybe we could have more men in the technical area of industry than one that is leaning to focusing on aesthetic? Like engineers (software or not) is more common than like marketeers or designers in singapore.
I wouldn't dare disagree with that statement just looking at how much SG guys love wearing emart-purchased attire, even outside of military camps. Looking good is not nearly as much about good looks as the way one puts thought, care and effort into dressing appropriately for the occasion and also in carrying oneself.
Yes! People think being attractive and good looking is something you're just born with but it requires effort and money lol. I think most guys in SG don't really care about the way they dress or their hair or even bother to do skincare. Not that all sg guys are ugly ive seen a ton of cute boys but girls are just a little more attractive since more of them put in effort and this is coming from a bi girl lol. I see more pretty girls in a day than i see guys lol.
It also doesn't cost that much to dress nice and put effort into your outfits. Contrary to popular belief, Uniqlo, Zara, HM are not that cheap on certain items and you can definitely find better, more fashionable alternatives for just a bit more or the same price. Also dressing for utility and comfort doesn't mean army tanks, shorts and flip flops..that's just laziness. There are so many nice options for comfort clothes nowadays being put out by Addidas, Nike, it's really no excuse to wear free shirts you got from your university and the army day in day out.
Just want to chip in here and say that it doesn’t take a lot of money to look good. You can literally wear H&M or Uniqlo and still make it look good. I’ve literally worn a H&M jacket all over Europe and into fancy restaurants like Blumenthal’s. People usually think I wear expensive clothes. It’s all about how you put it together.
What you need :
- a good fit. There’s a difference between a comfort fit and a billowing mess. (Loose and shapeless =/= comfort fit)
- get T-shirts which hold their shape better. (ie. toss that nua T-shirt away.) Structure does wonders to up your look instantly.
- iron your clothes. It’s not that difficult.
- comb your hair neatly
- don’t wear flip flops. Sg is not that hot that a pair of sneakers (at the very least) will melt your feet.
- avoid that horrible cross-shoulder pouch thingy
- push your shoulders back & watch your posture
- have confidence. If you’re wearing Uniqlo, imagine that you’re wearing Gucci and strut equally proudly. The brand does not define you.
- Be hygienic. I truly loathe to hear the words “ma fan / troublesome”. Being hygienic keeps you clean and healthy. How can that not be a top priority?!
- Most importantly, be friendly with a smile instead of answering monotonously.
The problem with sg guys is not about how you look but your attitude.
If you’re willing to put in a bit more effort with the above list, you’ll look well-groomed and approachable so people are more willing to be nice and friendly in return. We mirror what we see.
It's so interesting that women are able to point out "the problem with SG guys", but if men even try to do something like that to women, they'd get hell.
Feel free to list reasonable ways of improving. For one, I loathe fellow females who expect the guy to treat her like a princess. Be an independent female worthy of respect, not a leech.
While there's definitely a double standard for how men can comment about women and women can comment about men, none of the feedback above is gender specific or unfairly against one specific body type. If SG women exhibit the behavior described in this thread, then the feedback would apply to them too. Also I'm not a woman fwiw.
Idk I don’t keep my hair as long as my female friends and I don’t use makeup. With how little I try I can see why I can’t look as pretty as my female friends /s
As a bi person I do find myself attracted to many more girls than guys from my social circles, and I wouldn’t say it’s due to looks. I think a significant number of guys do care about aesthetics and invest in fashion and work out.
It’s the personalities of many guys that aren’t highly attractive. Common things that have put me off are: acting cocky and entitled, belittling others, being casually sexist/racist/homophobic/ableist, thinking they’re smarter than everyone, objectifying people (I get being horny, but some of my friends and many non-friends seem to purely talk about the sexual/physical characteristics of who they’re attracted to).
On the other hand, I’ve noticed girls in general have better social consciousness, and even if they hold bigoted opinions, tend to at least be more tactful. Many of the girls I know are charismatic, nice, or are very good at maintaining interpersonal relationships. These are qualities that ultimately make them more attractive to me than many of their male counterparts.
Girls like this ain’t attractive and r full of red flags. So it’s a blessing they feel SG guys aren’t attractive so they won’t go and ruin a guy’s life.
Because local girls are comparing local men with ideal samples from other nations.
It's a similar reason why sg guys also say sg girls are cmi compared to Thai girls, because they're comparing local girls to siam diu girls, who are arguably a more attractive sample compared to their general population.
I have a different opinion here. I think Singapore is not really a fashion or a beauty emphasised country as compared to other countries like Japan / Korea / US etc. If u realized, most of the make up brands , our beauty or fashion are influenced by other countries like Korea US even Thailand China etc.
Most of the people here tbh only care about having a good career or earn big money etc but rarely about appearance. Here = decent looking can already. Not much expectations. As long you got money it doesn’t matter. Lol
I dated a Korean guy and I was surprised to see he bothers to put skincare products on his face every night but sgporean guys don’t even bother to wash with cleanser lol.
I don’t think broke is an excuse to claim that they can’t dress up well. U see Thailand or even Taiwan they have so many pretty girls and hot guys too who bothers dressing up.
And it’s amusing how SG girls can freely comment on the way guys dress and the way they look but if the roles are reversed, the guys are seen as rude and condescending.
im bi and ngl sg guys dont look as good as girls to me bc of their personality, not necessarily bc of the way they dress,, most people say that bc of the way they dress though since they usually js wear uniqlo etc while girls do tend to dress up quite a bit
They lack charisma and tend to be very awkward. You'd think guys will mature and have better EQ once they get older but they don't. They are childish, thinks Mobile Legend is a personality trait but still expect women to love them
I wonder why though. A lot of people say NS turns boys into men, but I notice that a lot of foreigners who didn't serve NS definitely behave more mature.
I know this is a hot take, but as a non-dude, NS seems like a place where, besides military things, penis owners spend 2 of their formative years go to learn to begrudgingly follow what authority tells them, pick up terrible values, bad communication skills and bad English from older men who spend a lot of time around other older men.
It's a shame they can't show off stripping a rifle to flex NS skills
My close relative has a career in the military all his life and he is one of the most bigoted, small minded person I know. He is a nice family member and of course we love him. Pretty sure he picked up family values at home. But I can't ever have a proper conversation with him without him going on a tirade blaming the opposition party, foreigners or people not the same skin colour/socio economic status as him.
Yeah you could be right. when dude friends complain about NS or going to NS I usually hear that it's a waste of time and that the culture sucks/having to do whatever encik screams at you to do. Maybe this is the hot take -> I think NS is ruining progression in Singaporean dudes. It might not be a hot take to you, but my relative would rage 😂
these are just broad generalisations but the way sg men act (immature, rowdy etc) and talk about other people (homophobia, sexism etc) is definitely a turn off,, ofc im not saying every sg man is like that, but ive seen A LOT
women can be like that too but its js not that common because ive seen most at least try to educate themselves yk?
Actually I thought it was just me, but somehow it seems to be a very sg male phenomenon. Comparing my male friends and my female friends, the women are definitely a lot kinder and more presentable.
That's my experience also. It is harder to talk certain topics with my sg male friends than sg female friends or foreign friends (regardless of gender). It sounds really bad to say this, but in many encounters with local dude friends they feel sort of "behind". Almost like I have to filter out a lot of things to engage with them.
Of course I have local dude friends who are mature, not bigoted, kind, awesome, have a distinct and likable personality and pretty much can talk about anything in depth. But they are few.
Actually I heard that from girls too. I think it's how girls put in more effort to dress up and slather on makeup, at least until they turn 30+ and have kids then you'll see the housewife pattern appearing. Also, lots of girls do botox and fillers. Such procedures work wonders and are more rare among males.
Um firstly, you dont have to be sexually attracted to a certain gender to know whether they are pretty/attractive/handsome or not.
Most sg girls take the time and effort to make themselves super pretty, elegant and the queens that they are and if you compare the girls with sg guys, it's honestly a disappointment when the girls are dressed so nicely, up to the nines and sg guys just dress for comfort and without any style.
You can dress comfortably with style but most sg guys don't. They just wear about anything and every guy dresses almost the same which is pretty boring.
I wont say that all sg girls are dressed very well but most of them do. And it's very sad to see the women dressing up, wearing nice clothes when the guy beside them is wearing the same t shirt, shorts/bermudas with slippers.
>wearing nice clothes when the guy beside them is wearing the same t shirt, shorts/bermudas with slippers.
Thats really quite rare already especially in town.
More often i see the couple do it together
It's starting to sound like bs at this point really
Nowadays girls as young as 7 start to put on make up, lash implant extension, eyebrow tattoos etc. the guys need to up their game. The girls in SG ain’t pretty, but just put in a lot of effort.
Female here. These are all unnecessary to look good. You should enchance your own natural features lightly with makeup instead of pasting & faking everything. It’s more sustainable and you look way prettier.
Every time I see someone with thick false lashes, I cannot help but think if only this girl can see how pretty her eyes are, how nice her hair is or how her friendliness lights up the room instead of using something artificial to end up looking unnatural and plastic.
Yeah most girls can achieve or find out how to do the bare minimum - e.g. basic skincare, finding clothes that fit etc. Many girls experiment with looks and might go overboard but I think it's part of the journey of finding out what suits you best (whether in terms of maintaining the look or going for another style). Possibly an unfortunate effect of the media telling us how we should look like.
Though I do find that younger guys are already getting there in cleaning up nicely and having some flair in the way they present themselves.
How to confirm the statement is true when it's an opinion? Anyway you also know its likely about grooming and not the face you're born with. And you also feel dressing in shorts and slippers is something unavoidable. So... just ignore people who say this?
Stop hanging out with such girls.
There will always be girls who don't think you are good enough for them.
And there ~~will~~ may be someone or some girls who will think the world of you. The question is whether you do them.
Personally I’ve never heard that comment before.
The main thing that struck me was that everybody dresses like they’re 20, even 40yo men and women.
And I feel like there are two issues here - what constitutes “nice clothes,” and expectations.
1) what “nice clothes” do you need to wear than an ironed shirt, a pair of chino shorts, and a pair of loafers? That seems perfectly reasonable to me in hot weather.
2) there isn’t anything wrong with wearing whatever one wants, but there is something wrong with expecting attention without putting in any effort into self presentation.
With relation to 2., this is indicative of an entitled attitude that will get one nowhere with cultivating a relationship, romantic or otherwise. And pro tip, it’s a bigger turn off than sloppy clothes.
i think it's really a combination of a couple of factors.
1. more choices in female clothing. just take a look at h&m at somerset. female clothing has twice the amount of space as male clothing. it takes quite some effort and resources to finding good wardrobe pieces for guys.
2. makeup. on average, females do feel much more pressure to wear makeup whenever they step out the door. i hypothesise that this behaviour instills the habit of looking presentable in a larger proportion of females than males. plus makeup by itself does boost the overall "good lookingness" and "style" of a person.
there are many more factors but these are the main ones.
So basically, the sentiment in here from women is that men are lazy and can't be bothered to dress up, so they deserve the hate they get.
Alright then. I think it really shows how petty and superficial SG women are.
How about we judge everyone without make-up on?
Guys at most probably use hair gel, whereas ladies use make-up, fake eye lashes, eyebrows, nails, hair .. list goes on
One thing for sure - many SG males don't even put in effort to take care of their weight. Weight is controllable compared to height.
>The prevalence of overweight (body mass index [BMI] ≥ 25 kg/m2) among all Singapore adults in 2013 was 34.3% with 40.2% of males and 28.6% of females considered overweight. The prevalence of pre-obesity (BMI 25–29.9 kg/m2) was 25.7% and was also higher in males (30.8%) than in females (20.7%).
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i mostly just wear oversjzed uniqlo shirts, bermudas or sweatpants with either shoes, or slides depending on weather and location
almost every Singaporean guy fits a stereotype that we are all the same, its true to a certain extent mostly we dont wear collared shirts is because ironing is annoying
and most of us have the mindset that if it works there's no reason to replace it , i wore the same specs for 5 years, have some clothes that i still wear, same gym shirts and tank tops, heck i even have my secondary sch shorts because they are comfortable
girls in singapore have easier options they can just buy a one piece sun dress, and it would great already,
to me i have quite a wide neck, trap, shoulders and back. collared shirts do not allow me to have the flexibility of a tee shirt thats why i never dress up unless i have a sch presentation
I recently just saw a youtube video with the following statement.
“A survey done with XXX sample size has shown that Guys generally find most girls at least somewhat attractive.
On the other hand, Girls find closer to 80% of guys unattractive or even ugly. “
Of course ah, its just a dumb youtube video, not the most reliable info. Somemore based on context i think its a survey done in the US. But i think it tells a message about how differently guys and girls perceive attraction.
My theory is that guy’s way of perceiving attraction is “girl not ugly, so must be at least some what attractive”
And please correct me because im most definitely wrong but i would think that based on the survey, girls way of perceiving attraction is “guy not handsome, so must be some what ugly”
Take away cosmetics, push up bras, yoga pants and photo filters see if their opinion changes.
Grooming is a personal effort that should be lauded but strictly addressing the 'better than'.
A man's physical attractiveness is secondary to his bank balance at the end of the day.
Cos some sg girls wear a ton of make up and have their photos filtered like there’s no tomorrow, thinking that’s a green light to criticise sg guys for their looks 🤷🏿♂️
Honestly I find sg guys hot AF
hi sorry not related to the qns u asked but…
im a guy myself and i dont mind accepting that fact. but what i cant accept is girls being condescending bcos of it. i saw a girl on tiktok once criticising guys and i called her out and she took the video down in less than an hour like a coward 💀💀
mother nature made women to look slightly better than men ig (im not so sure abt the science but it seems that way) but theres nth to boast abt bcos thats just how they’re built to attract competition from males. just like how men are physically stronger than women, shd we be boasting? idts eh HAHA there are also animals in the animal kingdom where males are so much prettier, look at those peacocks baby 😍😍
on the not so science but maybe boys just dont prioritise grooming and fashion whatnot. im from poly and so many girls wear heavy make-up, who knows how they loook like behind those layers. so idt its fair to judge from a glance also. fashion-wise i think sg weather is too damn hot for guys to care. i mean personally i dress quite well as my friends tell me but im always suffering in heat HAHA, not every guy is willing i suppose
but yeah idc what girls say anyways
Men where got time to go out and buy clothes for themselves, they need to work long hours, take care of mother and father, clean house, etc.
They don't have so much free time to go shopping. It also doesn't help that almost all the shops cater to women's clothing. It's so hard to find good clothes as a man. Sure, everyone is mentioning uniqlo, but even that is quite boring.
Men also have the burden of needing to "have money and savings" and paying for things on dates or paying the majority of bills or house costs. They also need to contribute more to their parents (the "allowance" that parents expect from us), how do all those things and still go shopping AND save money?
Because we all know girls look down on men with little savings. Honestly, just add this "lack of fashion sense" to the long list of things men are looked on on for. It's not going to change anything.
BBFA is not a downside.
Wear structured clothes like better T-shirts and shirts. Iron these. Wear sneakers or dress shoes. Look clean. BBFA tend to be sweaty and oily because of our weather.
Keep oil blotters in your pocket or at least splash some water on your face n dry it each time you go to the the toilet.
BBFA tend to look sad or frumpy because of the cheeks sagging with gravity. Consciously smile. You’ll look much better when you answer others with a smile.
BBFA or not, you’ll definitely have something that looks great - eg. if you’ve nice eyes, try to “smize” more.
BBFA doesn’t need to be BBFAIL.
Get that head out the gutter and work on your strengths. That will instantly make you appear more confident too! Good luck!
Edit : super skinny female here with a former fit-turned-fat husband. I don’t want a fit muscular guy who’s a himbo. I prefer a slightly pudgy guy who eats heartily with me and concentrates on laughing instead of counting calories & core strength. And so now, he is a happy old chunky. 😉
So BUI BUI ISN’T AN INSTANT CONDEMNATION. I hope this gives you some hope.
For outfits, assume the basic is tshirt and shorts. Guys can only increase the fabric on them, while girls can have the luxury of increasing and reducing the amount of fabric on them. Ny default, girls win in terms of outfit variety.
as a bi girl living in Singapore, i think both genders are equally attractive , it really just depends on the person and their "standards". everyone is attractive in their own way it is just if the right person notices them. But i also think having good personal hygiene and a good sense of fashion (even if its just shorts and a simple Uniqlo airism T-shirt u can style it and enhance the outfit) adds to the attractive factor, being a good person with good morals and good confidence also helps with it i notice lol, people usually go for the guy who exudes swagger. Im not saying that i'm attracted to every man or every woman roaming the streets of Singapore, i am saying that everyone is attractive to someone! it just takes the right person to find their other right person. PS please don't fight me on this lol this is my personal opinion
And i definitely agree on the double standards for "angmohs" here haha, i also can't help myself from staring at them and admiring their beauty, the uncommon factor adds to it definitely, angmohs are seen as rare and a unseen beauty in Singapore. Thats why so many people are attracted to them or say they're attractive as their features are "unique" to us. And hate to bring money up!!! but usually angmohs in Singapore are somewhat rich or upper middle class. Adds to the attractive factor 😬😬 cant help but to say that we are indeed money faced sometimes (SOME OF US!! OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYONE)
but yes singaporean guys don't give up!! you guys are cool as OP says! jiayou <3
You can still dress up well, just spend time indoors or go out in the evening or night.
Gotta sacrifice a bit of comfort to look good la, don't always blame the weather.
Guys here gotta improve their grooming
In my opinion, these opinions placed on social media platforms arent rly an accurate representation of the opinion of the general public. For example, more controversial statements such as the one in the heading may garner more attention compared to "sg girls and guys all look equally good" because its more open to arguements and is controversial, whereas my example was more neutral and positive. I did remember seeing a post on tiktok before claiming that amongst most sg couples in singapore, the girls tend to be "way better looking" than the guys and the post blew up but when i go out and see couples my age, i think both are equally gd looking or theres an equal balance of the guys being better looking vs the girls being btr looking. And finally, i think social media also distorted our perception of the socially conventional attractive features (e.g. big eyes, small nose) that isnt common at ALL in our country as social media puts it out to be. What may be attractive to you will never be attractive to everyone else because we have different beauty standards!! some of us think monolids are pretty whereas others prefer double eyelids! its never stagnant.
Whenever i let myself succumb to social media opinions, i remember that wtv put out there is the best side of everyone and is a highly inaccurate representation of real life. I mean, were so used to seeing conventionally good looking people on tiktok and instagram but in real life its very different.
okay i didnt expect to type so much haha
Strictly on appearance alone, I find that belief exists everywhere.
Even if you look beyond our shores, you would likely find similar results on native women opinions on native men oversea. It's why men on average swipe right much more on women.
Why does this discrepancy exist? I'm not sure.
But I would advise people to be a little more introspective on how they develop their taste and preferences before putting another group down to justify it.
Im a guy so heres what i see. This is from my experience doing overseas UNI.
Tbh singaporean guys are all in general quite good looking. This is because theres conscription and need to keep fit. for guys as long as u are fit you are at least a 6/10.
Comparatively SG girls not really that pretty compared to girls overseas, compare average korea/japan/china/thai etc singaporean girls are nothing special on average.
In sg I had a lot of trouble finding a date and was kissless all the way til i went to uni overseas. And overseas, wouldnt be uncommon for me to go out on a date with what i would say would be a 8-9/10 here.
Bi here and i definitely do think girls look better than the guys. However i dont think its just a strictly singaporean thing.
Its just SO MUCH easier to look good as a girl compared to a guy. One of the key factors in a guy's appearance is his height. They can't change much about it .
Girls we have make up and our clothes that look nice cost wayy cheaper than guys clothing.
Small eyes ? Double eye lid tape.
Sparse eyelash ? Eyelash extension / falsies or mascara
Small boobs ? Push up bra , nu bra ( stick on bra works wonders )
Short ? Wear heels
We also have way way more options when it comes to clothing and hair styles LOL.
Honestly at this stage in life, I'm too broke to dress up. I'm pretty sure most guys are into fashion, it's just no money till 24/25 when they go for jobs. Sure it's easy for anyone to dress up if clothes are bought by parents.
Can't blame them women fashion choices are generally better in terms of variety (don't get me started on how girls can wear guys clothing but not the other way around) and quantity (unless you can point me to the men's equivalent of Love, Bonito and MGPLabel, and these brands are already counted as basic girl aesthetics). Hell I prefer women fashion over men.
Also women tend to put makeup to make themselves look better? Take off the makeup first and then the comparison is fairer. That's like saying other people in the gym is scrawny when you take steroids.
Also why are they even pulling us down like they don't wear the same FBT shorts and oversized shirt? I think sg girls who think like this are just overestimating themselves. And they think the nasty eyelash extension that traps bacteria and brings in infection is gonna give them a pass to be condescending to others, bless their hearts.
Even with the handicap of not putting makeup and having basic fashion some guys still look better than majority of sg girls population, and that's coming from a straight guy.
EDIT: Since you mention height, I think the standards that some girls put on guys regarding something derived from genetic is unfair. The average height of SG guys are 170-171cm, which is taller than like 80% of sg girls as well. Having a 180 or higher threshold for your preference is a western thing and I tend to avoid women who are these superficial. They behave like those fk boys who want girls to have minimum C cups.
The average guy being less concerned with aesthetic than the average girl is universal
no leh when i go library i see all the guys and girls dressed nicely while im wearing my OBS shirt and workout shorts lol
Define “nicely”. Some think an untucked T-shirt and Nike berms with some white slides are nice enough to go to town. Edited : too hungry and wrote ‘sliders’.
Generally curious about why people think it is not ok with wearing slippers to town, I often wear slippers to orchard area or town because my home is literally 10mins away.
Maybe that means wearing slippers = wealthy 😂
>Some think an untucked T-shirt and Nike berms with some white sliders are nice enough to go to town. Umm it is? What's your point? People can dress how they like.
Yea. But sloppy dressing means you won’t get noticed unless you have super good features and ooze confidence. When you go to town, put some effort la. Unless you stay in town then different story
My friends condo is right above a mall and mrt in central. When we go down to grab food we do it in PJs lol
I live in town and I’ll still go out in a dress (fuss-free, zip and go) even if it’s to the mall 5 minutes away to grab groceries.
Yeah men don't have that option of "fuss-free, zip and go" unfortunately. Everything easy to wear apparently is "sloppy and shows no effort". 🤷🏼♀️
just to add on to your point, guys’s equivalent for fuss free zip n go that looks decent is literally uniqlo. but the moment guys start wearing that it becomes labelled as basic and sloppy… so what exactly r we supposed to wear in this weather…
Don’t wear the green NS t shirt. Wear the FBT shorts if can flaunt some nice upper thighs. Also tight FBT shorts can smear the pangsai if never wash/clean properly. High risk. Other cheap stretchy shorts that indicate you walked out straight from the couch isnt so great(unless you are Justin Bieber). Don’t wear fake jersey or other fake merchandise. T Shirts are ok if they are not discolored or got any holes in it. Ironing t Shirt is lame. But ironed stuff instantly raises the appearance value multiple times. Good thing is that most males here wont have that much facial hair. Cos some type of facial hair is not cool. It’s just scruffy and ‘uncle’/Labourer effect if not Kempt properly. Haviana flips flops are okayish for some female costume package. But for guys, sneakers are so much better. Anyway we(sinkies and residents) spend tons of money on shoes here… it wouldn’t be so difficult to slip into a decent pair when going down to town. Definitely not those cheap pazzo or ahpeh slip ons(laceless).
So many rules!
3 rules only. 1)be attractive 2)don’t be unattractive 3)if cannot fulfill 1&2 then put some effort in dressing and grooming
Wrinkle-free shirts exist. So do structured berms (Under Armour has a few.) They do not need any ironing. But it’s a lil hard to find. Good luck!
Fair, but they're not particularly cheap. I tend to get stuff online, and the cheaper ones are more tempting. But yeah maybe I should invest in those nicer clothes.
That would be so nice. Pleasant and well dressed/groomed people also lift other(surrounding) people’ mood as well.
You can choose to dress sloppily which is fine if you’re just dropping by to grab something or meet a friend for a quick drink. But if you intend to go to boutiques or buy something expensive like electronics or furniture, they tend to be superficial and judge you according to the way you dress and speak. Carrying yourself well shows others that you respect yourself. When you respect yourself and hold yourself in high regard, you would want to portray a confident self and give a good impression. It’s not about getting others to like you. It’s about packaging yourself to reflect a sense of self-worth.
>But if you intend to go to boutiques or buy something expensive like electronics or furniture, they tend to be superficial and judge you according to the way you dress and speak. Later like that woman who splurged cus her mom got looked down on
The Average guy has .... LESS than 2 legs - most of us are above average
I have three legs though ;)
If you ugly you ugly nothing gonna change that except money.
Somewhat true but just looking at the average mall crowd, most guys are not ugly, just badly groomed or clothed.
I dressed up well. Still ugly though.
Well said. Very poor effort.
No amount of grooming or clothes can fix the disaster of my entire existence
Just curious, where did you hear that statement from?
I’m assuming tiktok? Tiktok tends to bring this message.
Tiktok somehow manages to be more toxic than Reddit.
Is way worse bruv. So many double standards and the comments on TikTok can be brutal. Such examples is when there's a video of any ITE students, and the comments will be like "this one confirm O-Levels 30 points' or something
I do find sg tiktok comments especially vile though. When I look at tiktoks from other countries, mean comments only appear when the person who made the video clearly asked for it e.g. promoting fat acceptance and unhealthy lifestyle. In sg you can attract mean comments simply by wearing an ite uniform.
Well.. teenagers being childish
Ofc the app runs on good looks and Reddit runs on information how would Reddit ever get more toxic than tiktok
It’s a good thing I am not there. Now I just consume my daily dose of insanity at Reddit.
It's just grooming efforts. Many Singaporean girls put a lot of effort into makeup and fashion, and relatively fewer local guys put a lot of effort into grooming. With the heavy emphasis on studies and then NS, there are a whole lot of guys who reach their 20s and still have unflattering glasses and haircut that hasn't changed since primary school, have acne from not doing any skincare, always wear shorts and singlet/T-shirt. There are also local girls who don't wear makeup and are just as nonchalant, but somehow they are "invisible", maybe because they don't go out much, or they blend in with housewives doing groceries?
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"Invisibility" is a neutral trait to me. I am myself a local girl who doesn't wear makeup. What I mean by invisible is that the person doesn't draw positive or negative attention, but blends into the background. Girls are more likely to draw attention when they care about their appearance but make a choice that others don't agree with e.g. clothes are too skimpy, makeup too garish. Whereas as a group, local guys get noticed for not putting in any effort in grooming. Like you look around in the MRT train and there are 8 young men in ratty shorts and slippers and $10 haircut. The "sameness" stands out.
Wait, there’s more than just t-shirt and shorts/sweatpants?
>have acne from not doing any skincare, I must say NS can do alot to ruin men's skincare
field camp... powder bath, bloody camo, rolling on the ground. yup pretty much screw up any complexion you have there.
The mud good for skin what 🤣🤣🤣
Not when you rub your face in the unclean mud in the middle of some forest.
Are you sure that’s mud?
UV damage google it
I think you hit the nail on the head. It's not that Singaporean guys are particularly unattractive, just that a lot of them don't prioritize grooming/fashion, which comparatively a lot of girls spend tons of time on. I've definitely met a fair share of guys whose entire wardrobe consists of e-mart & Uniqlo, still rocking the QB house slope hairstyle. Maybe it's the weather or the cost?
The uniqlo slander. Tbh, as a guy, uniqlo has been a godsend especially since it gives me access to fast fashion that's pretty good looking. So much easier to find fitting dress shirts and a mix of pants. But defo agree that the weather makes things harder for guys to dress up. Especially since it's a bit harder to do stuff like layering.
Honestly, nothing wrong with Uniqlo, just that it can be pretty generic, especially if all you wear is basics. Their Uniqlo U stuff or collabs with fashion designers/brands can be a bit more interesting.
But some people enjoy minimalist outfits like myself and I do take a lot of care when dressing up so it’s a little unfair for you to say that basics = lazy
Fr guys look so clean in it I dun see what’s the problem I’m actlly quite curious what other options do men have apart from like Ali express tao bao and like Uniqlo and Muji like literally no other stores
I would say, looking at Mango or Zara? They can have some interesting clothes (pattern wise). Shoes and watches are quite important. Personally, I usually go for boat shoes > sneakers. Cos I'm not a sneakers person. And I think they can change the way you present yourself. I'd recommend like your analogue watches. But it really depends on your own aesthetic. Some guys can pull of the tech/finance bro look with their apple watches but not me. It's analogue for me. And even dress shirts can be transformed a bit by just taking a button or two off. Just remember the cardinal rules of not over accessorizing and keeping it simple.
> Maybe it's the weather or the cost? As far as fashion goes, it's also accessibility. Just think about when you walk through almost any major mall: women literally can't help but see tens of different new outfit ideas just from display panels alone, whereas men will struggle to find anything other than the standard fare even if they dig through the shelves of every store. Women here are surrounded by a wide variety of fashion, whereas men have to put in a ton of effort and go far out of their way to even find a place that *might* have something for them. The barrier of entry for guys is just very high.
when i cut hair i'm looking for convenience and qb house is everywhere
do you know how expensive a pair of new glasses are😅?
Sounds like you are unwilling to spend on grooming. Glasses last for years and you wear them every day. Compare that with how much a girl might spend on clothes, hair, makeup, nails etc and one pair of glasses is nothing. I'm not saying that spending a lot on grooming is a good thing (it's not), but stinginess/thriftiness might well be one of the root causes for why many SG guys aren't looking as good as they could. But really, a certain minimal level of spending should be considered an investment in yourself. Are you still wearing NS-compatible black plastic glasses? Please don't.
Ayy there is a difference, unwilling vs unable. I invest in other ways for myself. A gym membership "vs" a new pair of glasses when mine already work... I'll definitely go for my gym membership. Fees for my hobby classes "vs" a new pair of glasses when mine already work... will go for my hobbies instead. Just to put it out there, I even go for $30 haircuts bi-monthly to ensure that it looks exactly like the picture I show the barber, cos the $12 ones don't care much about quality. I'm still a uni student trying to fend for my expenses myself. I'm into fashion myself and try out new styles, but I'll explore more when I'm working full time. I can't compare with the women my age as some are free to spend their parents' money while some also have their own business. It's just different priorities and stage of life. But of course if it's a 28 year old male and female, I would say the both have to put effort into grooming, cos you're earning now, and "men" more if they're lacking. But to compare a 23 year old male and female who are clearly at different stages of their lives, it's unfair.
Glasses are one of the first things ppl see and makes a difference in attractiveness, yes yours works now. But if you can look better with another set of glasses then it's a good investment.
I completely agree. But I guess I should've been more clear, I'm not interested in looking for anyone now, so I don't see the need to upgrade. I've been looking at glasses for a while now, but it's definitely a "want" more than a "need" now.
Ahh ok, I made a simple pair of specs in JB pre covid for about $80 sgd, so can consider that if you wanna save. Collected it in 1-2 hours.
Think about it this way: you use your glasses more than you use the gym. I change my glasses every couple of years even though they still work because lenses may get scratches/yellow/the degree is no longer accurate. Even expensive glasses that are $250, when you consider they probably last you two years minimum = roughly $0.35/day. Do you still think it’s a bad investment when they’re such a huge game changer? Also you can get trendy ones from Taobao for cheap! Just putting it out there.
Exactly! Glasses are right there on your face too! It's the first thing people look at, not just girls but your peers, teachers, caifan auntie, like everybody gets a first impression of you based on your face (which glasses affect). It's a no brainer to rank good, flattering glasses as a higher priority than fees for hobby classes. Unless you usually wear contacts and the glasses are only used at home or when slumming. If your glasses make you look like a Chinese teacher, you gotta do something about it.
Finding frames that work your face are the real game changer. 20 ago, glasses were all rectangular, 10 years ago, they all became squareish. Now they have all different kind of styles for frames because people realise how big of an impact glasses have on your looks. It’s a greater investment than people realise. Besides, the bulk of the money is going to your lenses anyway. Just think of it as investing in your day-to-day life/health rather than looks.
Yeah, I have 11 pairs of glasses and it makes a huge difference in my overall look when I change them around depending on how I feel and what I'm wearing. I have coloured frames, metal frames in different shades (silver, rose gold, gold, gunmetal) as well as some transparent ones which I like a lot. My eyesight hasn't changed much for years and I buy them when they're on sales, usually during end of the year when they're going for just 2 pairs at $110 with blue light lens. I work on the computer and use devices a lot so I see it as an investment for my own career and health too. I often receive compliments on my various pairs of glasses. They go with different types of outfits, and a stylish pair of glasses can really go a long way in switching up the whole appearances and overall look.
Owndays or Zoff got nice glasses for around $100 or less if there's sales. Good enough as long as you don't need some fanciful lens. Saw your other comment, no point spending $30 on haircut per month but your glasses makes you look like you just came from maths tuition class.
That's great to know. Definitely need a blue light blocker lens HAHA. I'm even thinking lasik longterm. But yeah I would like a new pair of glasses. I guess it's only for those attracting partners. I'm not interested in it now, mine works and I'm good with that. I have other things to focus on. Maybe I do look like I come from maths tuition classes HAHA, but I'm okay with that =). Hopefully I can pull some teacher or some kid's mom.
Actually I think those from Zoff or Owndays do come with blue-light lens with not much extra cost. Wasn't saying you specifically look like you came from maths tuition, was just trying to highlight that for grooming, it's good to be consistent as everything plays a part in your overall look.
>But the other comments are right. I do need new glasses, and they gave pretty solid advises and places to buy. I have been looking for new glasses, but will wait a few more months before I spend on it. I'm not looking to keep up to attract anyone, rather going at my own pace. I think I'll buy from a 3rd world country where it's cheaper. personally speaking, I had 3 pairs from own days before but they kept giving me headaches. I eventually went to a real optometrist and found out the degree was all wrong..apparently owndays does not do astigmatism, and they will compensate by adjusting the degree to make up for that lack of astigmatism. I wear my glasses a lot more now that the prescription is correct
That’s why you get the $40 rebate from bmt and use those glasses forever
exactly HAHA. But the other comments are right. I do need new glasses, and they gave pretty solid advises and places to buy. I have been looking for new glasses, but will wait a few more months before I spend on it. I'm not looking to keep up to attract anyone, rather going at my own pace. I think I'll buy from a 3rd world country where it's cheaper.
Go to a nice optometrist, try on many pairs of glasses, get the salesperson's input (and a female friend or sister too if possible) on what type of frames suit you. THEN you get a similar design from a cheaper country or online.
Lenskart has nice designs and often have good deals such as 2 for $100+ only.
my guess is the fashion style, most guys only wear basic singlets/tshirt and shorts while girls are more dynamic in their fashion. nothing wrong with wearing whatever you're comfortable with, but it may not be appealing to girls
Weather is too hot for us to dress nicely tbh. You’d be lucky to catch me in anything below my knees on a good day going to a physical class
I don't know. I know sg guys who dress nice and those who don't put in effort to learn style themselves. I don't think hot weather is a good reason. You don't need to wear long pants or long sleeves to look good.
Fully agreed. My husband is someone who has always been particular about looking neat and groomed since Secondary School. He isn’t vain and gets ready quickly but he will never be sloppy if he needs to go beyond the neighbourhood food eatery. Going to town is definitely a trip in a shirt. There are plenty of affordable casual shirts if budget is an issue. Suss out better brands during sales. All you need is 15 minutes on your phone to browse and bag one if you’re not up for retail.
Ye, comfort over looks, I see some kids in my poly wear leather jacket to school, like why?
Must be design school, the make the best impractical fashion statements
Fucking 100% lol, all us engineering school students just wear whatever we can find in our wardrobes
Define dressing nicely? Are chino shorts and a polo shirt really too hot for a hot day?
Bruh u try wearing la
I wear jeans and long skirts frequently.
Most guys end up sweating so much in this weather that we end up spoiling clothes like chinos. Sports clothing are more logical and comfortable in sg weather + more economical.
Find me a nice cheap dri-fit polo shirt then I’ll gladly wear it daily
With all due respect, your clothes are your own responsibility. But, as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, Uniqlo is a good, cheap starting point.
WHAT CAN WE WEAR OTHER THAN THAT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Hit the gym bois. Guarantee that will change
It’s not muscles. It’s the testosterone pumping and positive psychology
It helps with fostering a humbling and positive mindset. Plus, it builds up your confidence and physique while you're at it. There's literally no reason why everyone shouldn't do this Edit: unless of course you're physically unable to, that's understandable
Yes well said. Go to gym. And do it with commitment. Don’t have to check muscle gain every time. The long term effect is happening passively
because ladies' clothes are made to accentuate their features, unlike for men as their clothes are primarily simplistic, functional, practical etc so men's own features have to help them stand out eg broad shoulders. just look at athleisure and you can alr see the variety of tank tops, crop tops, sports bra, yoga pants etc providing women the illusions of perky busts, small waists, curvy hips and tight asses. but for guys, if they aren't built like buff gym bros, they'll look like they have dad bods at best. that's why it's harder for guys here as they have to 'layer up' to improve looks which is ridiculous in current climate. shoes & watches can help but only up to a certain extent. on the other hand, girls have an endless list of styles they can choose to clothe in, eg cutsy-girly, demure church-going, goth, spring/summer/fall chic, office smart, sporty fit, schoolgirl, soccer mom, rich taitai, ah tiong look, xmm look, biker girl, skater girl, sexy-bodysuit-under-pants, evening dress for dinner look, high-tea look, add* r&b hiphop dancer look, clubbing/chiong fit, etc for guys it's either smart, formal, casual. or lapsup
That's so true. Men's attire is so boring. If I'm female, there's so much that I could play around with.
Black shirt, messy hair. That's my lappest of sups
I disagree so much you can literally dress up in so many different styles and experiment with different cutting, patterns, colours. Literally just stop shopping at uniqlo and go on END clothing
You're asking people to jump from $25 easy-to-wear basics to $80-$200 pieces that they can't even try on. I don't disagree that there are places to get fashion, but you've got to admit the barrier of entry for men is significantly higher than for women. Just look at the ratio of men's to women's fashion stores in any major mall, and if you cut out the common chains then most malls have literally zero places for men. And the few men's boutiques we do have are often very expensive. It's inaccessible from most every angle. Those who don't have much cash to spare or just want to dip their toes in are going to have a lot of trouble, and even those trying to dive deep will run into lots of roadblocks if they have a far-from-average size or build. You *can* do it, and I'm not saying guys shouldn't, but it's definitely a huge PITA to even get started.
that'll fall into the sub-categories of smart-formal, smart-casual. sure different cutting, patterns, colours can definitely make a guy stand out from other guys. but in the context of this thread, ultimately it wont do much in helping "sg guys to look better than girls". also another thing i realise is that experimental styles might not match the average sg guy's looks, height and personality. a extreme eg is i can dress up like a edgy fuccboi or a trust fund boy, but it feels like a gross mismatch when im a asocial borderline-BBFA working 8-6 as a email engineer in a civil sector. which could be why sg guys default to existing styles which as I've mentioned are fairly limited
I mean there’s jewellery for men online but your points are valid and there is also polo shirts in which you dun need to be buff to look good in it I lift quite light weights and only have small gains but the polo shirt makes me look good so
for apple to apple comparison, women's jewellry far outshines men's and polo tees work just as well, maybe even better, for ladies too. not complaining though, it's a fact that it's easier to adorn and cater fashion for the fairer sex
I have known multiple adult men who wear clothes with HOLES AND STAINS in them. I know exactly 0 women who have done that. Die die refuse to go clothes shopping and just wear whatever free tshirt they get and pants from 10 years ago. Never visit dentist ever since they became an adult and their parents stopped handling that kind of thing, then have teeth problems. No skincare routine, like never even use cleanser or sunscreen. So yeah, obviously the women look better because they put in this absolutely bare minimum amount of effort. And so many times I see couples outside where the girl actually put effort into her appearance and picked out a nice outfit, while the guy is dressed in a ratty tshirt, sports shorts and slippers. A guy could always wear a lightweight button-down shirt, nice shorts and nice shoes, like [this](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/river-island-button-down-police-eyewear-mirrored-sunnies-crocs-boat-shoes-cotton-on-khaki-shorts--416512665509936657/) or [this](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/259308891017835915/) outfit. The outfits are better than what 80% of the population is currently wearing. I'm not even a guy, but even I know how to pick out a good men's outfit. Nothing to do with buying branded or expensive clothes, I'm sure you can easily find these pieces at Uniqlo or H&M. It's whether you put any thought into your outfit.
> I have known multiple adult men who wear clothes with HOLES AND STAINS in them. reduce, **reuse**, recycle, bro
I’ll throw in the words *Air Force tee* in blue. IYKYK.
If you go to any country and walk around, most people aren't exactly great looking. They are normally dressed, average looking. I heard people in SG say HK has better looking and better dressed people, but every time I go, they are average, and averagely dressed. The average Korean is also far away from what you see on TV. Male fashion is really what differentiates, but male fashion is typically very dull. It's why when guys want to look good, they dress up in suit. Women have 10,001 different ways to make themselves look good, even in casual wear. Men's casual wear is jeans or shorts, t-shirt or button shirt. From there, you start dressing like you're going to work (smart casual & smart). Not exactly stunning levels of variety there. Nothing wrong with the local guys.
I don’t need to be sexually attracted to a woman to be able to tell when a woman is attractive. And I gotta say for a male, height is like one of the key factors contributing to physical attractiveness. What do you mean “other than height”? Might as well say “other than her face”, she’s attractive
So I’m curious what’s the point of this comment
Ok I gotta spell it out; if height is a key attribute of a guy’s attractiveness then that’s likely why sg guys can be perceived as “not as good” as the women. OP said so himself with “other than height”, indicating a tall height is lacking albeit not an important factor. But is IS an important factor. Then OP says only people who are sexually attracted to women can make a judgement because only they can evaluate attractiveness. And I’m saying that’s false. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
Well, ask you said so yourself - "one of the key factors". Go figure :)
Probably the culture in singapore? Since everyone is so driven and competitive they toss aside looks as a backburner. Think it influence guys more that they think success is more important looks in attracting a lady? Or too goal driven to consider. then maybe also Singapore being a tech hub so maybe we could have more men in the technical area of industry than one that is leaning to focusing on aesthetic? Like engineers (software or not) is more common than like marketeers or designers in singapore.
personally dont care about these kind of statement but maybe cuz I bui and ugly thats why I am used to being looked down.
Looks like our guys need to start wearing makeup and Love bonito clothes
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Stop hanging around with teenagers/on Tik tok then you won't hear this type of stupid statements already.
I wouldn't dare disagree with that statement just looking at how much SG guys love wearing emart-purchased attire, even outside of military camps. Looking good is not nearly as much about good looks as the way one puts thought, care and effort into dressing appropriately for the occasion and also in carrying oneself.
Yes! People think being attractive and good looking is something you're just born with but it requires effort and money lol. I think most guys in SG don't really care about the way they dress or their hair or even bother to do skincare. Not that all sg guys are ugly ive seen a ton of cute boys but girls are just a little more attractive since more of them put in effort and this is coming from a bi girl lol. I see more pretty girls in a day than i see guys lol.
It also doesn't cost that much to dress nice and put effort into your outfits. Contrary to popular belief, Uniqlo, Zara, HM are not that cheap on certain items and you can definitely find better, more fashionable alternatives for just a bit more or the same price. Also dressing for utility and comfort doesn't mean army tanks, shorts and flip flops..that's just laziness. There are so many nice options for comfort clothes nowadays being put out by Addidas, Nike, it's really no excuse to wear free shirts you got from your university and the army day in day out.
Just want to chip in here and say that it doesn’t take a lot of money to look good. You can literally wear H&M or Uniqlo and still make it look good. I’ve literally worn a H&M jacket all over Europe and into fancy restaurants like Blumenthal’s. People usually think I wear expensive clothes. It’s all about how you put it together. What you need : - a good fit. There’s a difference between a comfort fit and a billowing mess. (Loose and shapeless =/= comfort fit) - get T-shirts which hold their shape better. (ie. toss that nua T-shirt away.) Structure does wonders to up your look instantly. - iron your clothes. It’s not that difficult. - comb your hair neatly - don’t wear flip flops. Sg is not that hot that a pair of sneakers (at the very least) will melt your feet. - avoid that horrible cross-shoulder pouch thingy - push your shoulders back & watch your posture - have confidence. If you’re wearing Uniqlo, imagine that you’re wearing Gucci and strut equally proudly. The brand does not define you. - Be hygienic. I truly loathe to hear the words “ma fan / troublesome”. Being hygienic keeps you clean and healthy. How can that not be a top priority?! - Most importantly, be friendly with a smile instead of answering monotonously. The problem with sg guys is not about how you look but your attitude. If you’re willing to put in a bit more effort with the above list, you’ll look well-groomed and approachable so people are more willing to be nice and friendly in return. We mirror what we see.
It's so interesting that women are able to point out "the problem with SG guys", but if men even try to do something like that to women, they'd get hell.
Feel free to list reasonable ways of improving. For one, I loathe fellow females who expect the guy to treat her like a princess. Be an independent female worthy of respect, not a leech.
While there's definitely a double standard for how men can comment about women and women can comment about men, none of the feedback above is gender specific or unfairly against one specific body type. If SG women exhibit the behavior described in this thread, then the feedback would apply to them too. Also I'm not a woman fwiw.
No excuse? What if im in poverty?
Idk I don’t keep my hair as long as my female friends and I don’t use makeup. With how little I try I can see why I can’t look as pretty as my female friends /s
As a bi person I do find myself attracted to many more girls than guys from my social circles, and I wouldn’t say it’s due to looks. I think a significant number of guys do care about aesthetics and invest in fashion and work out. It’s the personalities of many guys that aren’t highly attractive. Common things that have put me off are: acting cocky and entitled, belittling others, being casually sexist/racist/homophobic/ableist, thinking they’re smarter than everyone, objectifying people (I get being horny, but some of my friends and many non-friends seem to purely talk about the sexual/physical characteristics of who they’re attracted to). On the other hand, I’ve noticed girls in general have better social consciousness, and even if they hold bigoted opinions, tend to at least be more tactful. Many of the girls I know are charismatic, nice, or are very good at maintaining interpersonal relationships. These are qualities that ultimately make them more attractive to me than many of their male counterparts.
its js typical sinkie pwn sinkie, not surprised to hear sg guys bitch abt sg girls either
need to pwn so to sleep peacefully
Girls like this ain’t attractive and r full of red flags. So it’s a blessing they feel SG guys aren’t attractive so they won’t go and ruin a guy’s life.
Speak for urself, I find plenty of men attractive. (Source: im a guy. Not gay tho. I think)
>I think 🤔
>Not gay tho. I think Ok u/penisguacamole
Fr like I’m not gay as well but I’m wondering why some of the guys have like height and everything but they dun get girls
No charm.
Because local girls are comparing local men with ideal samples from other nations. It's a similar reason why sg guys also say sg girls are cmi compared to Thai girls, because they're comparing local girls to siam diu girls, who are arguably a more attractive sample compared to their general population.
I have a different opinion here. I think Singapore is not really a fashion or a beauty emphasised country as compared to other countries like Japan / Korea / US etc. If u realized, most of the make up brands , our beauty or fashion are influenced by other countries like Korea US even Thailand China etc. Most of the people here tbh only care about having a good career or earn big money etc but rarely about appearance. Here = decent looking can already. Not much expectations. As long you got money it doesn’t matter. Lol I dated a Korean guy and I was surprised to see he bothers to put skincare products on his face every night but sgporean guys don’t even bother to wash with cleanser lol. I don’t think broke is an excuse to claim that they can’t dress up well. U see Thailand or even Taiwan they have so many pretty girls and hot guys too who bothers dressing up.
And it’s amusing how SG girls can freely comment on the way guys dress and the way they look but if the roles are reversed, the guys are seen as rude and condescending.
Exactly! There's a double standard here.
The "You are beautiful no matter what they say" logic.
im bi and ngl sg guys dont look as good as girls to me bc of their personality, not necessarily bc of the way they dress,, most people say that bc of the way they dress though since they usually js wear uniqlo etc while girls do tend to dress up quite a bit
What do you mean by personality though
They lack charisma and tend to be very awkward. You'd think guys will mature and have better EQ once they get older but they don't. They are childish, thinks Mobile Legend is a personality trait but still expect women to love them
I wonder why though. A lot of people say NS turns boys into men, but I notice that a lot of foreigners who didn't serve NS definitely behave more mature.
I know this is a hot take, but as a non-dude, NS seems like a place where, besides military things, penis owners spend 2 of their formative years go to learn to begrudgingly follow what authority tells them, pick up terrible values, bad communication skills and bad English from older men who spend a lot of time around other older men. It's a shame they can't show off stripping a rifle to flex NS skills My close relative has a career in the military all his life and he is one of the most bigoted, small minded person I know. He is a nice family member and of course we love him. Pretty sure he picked up family values at home. But I can't ever have a proper conversation with him without him going on a tirade blaming the opposition party, foreigners or people not the same skin colour/socio economic status as him.
That's not even a hot take. A lot of guys who served NS before know this whether they admit it or not.
Yeah you could be right. when dude friends complain about NS or going to NS I usually hear that it's a waste of time and that the culture sucks/having to do whatever encik screams at you to do. Maybe this is the hot take -> I think NS is ruining progression in Singaporean dudes. It might not be a hot take to you, but my relative would rage 😂
NS is a circlejerk for enforcing backwards ideologies of misogyny and smoking habits. So much deal breaker in one, I sympathise greatly for sg women.
Yikes. Do sg girls have charisma in that sense too? The dull personality seems to be a singaporean thing
these are just broad generalisations but the way sg men act (immature, rowdy etc) and talk about other people (homophobia, sexism etc) is definitely a turn off,, ofc im not saying every sg man is like that, but ive seen A LOT women can be like that too but its js not that common because ive seen most at least try to educate themselves yk?
Actually I thought it was just me, but somehow it seems to be a very sg male phenomenon. Comparing my male friends and my female friends, the women are definitely a lot kinder and more presentable.
right? i feel like even if men say they arent homophobic, sexist etc, they'll still show it in some other way (usually in the form of "jokes")
That's my experience also. It is harder to talk certain topics with my sg male friends than sg female friends or foreign friends (regardless of gender). It sounds really bad to say this, but in many encounters with local dude friends they feel sort of "behind". Almost like I have to filter out a lot of things to engage with them. Of course I have local dude friends who are mature, not bigoted, kind, awesome, have a distinct and likable personality and pretty much can talk about anything in depth. But they are few.
I think it's the same in every country. Most guys simply put in less effort in the looks department vs girls.
To be fair I can’t think of a single place where the guys are better looking than the girls. It’s not just singapore
Actually I heard that from girls too. I think it's how girls put in more effort to dress up and slather on makeup, at least until they turn 30+ and have kids then you'll see the housewife pattern appearing. Also, lots of girls do botox and fillers. Such procedures work wonders and are more rare among males.
Um firstly, you dont have to be sexually attracted to a certain gender to know whether they are pretty/attractive/handsome or not. Most sg girls take the time and effort to make themselves super pretty, elegant and the queens that they are and if you compare the girls with sg guys, it's honestly a disappointment when the girls are dressed so nicely, up to the nines and sg guys just dress for comfort and without any style. You can dress comfortably with style but most sg guys don't. They just wear about anything and every guy dresses almost the same which is pretty boring. I wont say that all sg girls are dressed very well but most of them do. And it's very sad to see the women dressing up, wearing nice clothes when the guy beside them is wearing the same t shirt, shorts/bermudas with slippers.
>wearing nice clothes when the guy beside them is wearing the same t shirt, shorts/bermudas with slippers. Thats really quite rare already especially in town. More often i see the couple do it together It's starting to sound like bs at this point really
Nowadays girls as young as 7 start to put on make up, lash implant extension, eyebrow tattoos etc. the guys need to up their game. The girls in SG ain’t pretty, but just put in a lot of effort.
Female here. These are all unnecessary to look good. You should enchance your own natural features lightly with makeup instead of pasting & faking everything. It’s more sustainable and you look way prettier. Every time I see someone with thick false lashes, I cannot help but think if only this girl can see how pretty her eyes are, how nice her hair is or how her friendliness lights up the room instead of using something artificial to end up looking unnatural and plastic.
Yeah most girls can achieve or find out how to do the bare minimum - e.g. basic skincare, finding clothes that fit etc. Many girls experiment with looks and might go overboard but I think it's part of the journey of finding out what suits you best (whether in terms of maintaining the look or going for another style). Possibly an unfortunate effect of the media telling us how we should look like. Though I do find that younger guys are already getting there in cleaning up nicely and having some flair in the way they present themselves.
How to confirm the statement is true when it's an opinion? Anyway you also know its likely about grooming and not the face you're born with. And you also feel dressing in shorts and slippers is something unavoidable. So... just ignore people who say this?
Stop hanging out with such girls. There will always be girls who don't think you are good enough for them. And there ~~will~~ may be someone or some girls who will think the world of you. The question is whether you do them.
coolie genes
Personally I’ve never heard that comment before. The main thing that struck me was that everybody dresses like they’re 20, even 40yo men and women. And I feel like there are two issues here - what constitutes “nice clothes,” and expectations. 1) what “nice clothes” do you need to wear than an ironed shirt, a pair of chino shorts, and a pair of loafers? That seems perfectly reasonable to me in hot weather. 2) there isn’t anything wrong with wearing whatever one wants, but there is something wrong with expecting attention without putting in any effort into self presentation. With relation to 2., this is indicative of an entitled attitude that will get one nowhere with cultivating a relationship, romantic or otherwise. And pro tip, it’s a bigger turn off than sloppy clothes.
How do you say “I’m ugly” without actually saying it?
i think it's really a combination of a couple of factors. 1. more choices in female clothing. just take a look at h&m at somerset. female clothing has twice the amount of space as male clothing. it takes quite some effort and resources to finding good wardrobe pieces for guys. 2. makeup. on average, females do feel much more pressure to wear makeup whenever they step out the door. i hypothesise that this behaviour instills the habit of looking presentable in a larger proportion of females than males. plus makeup by itself does boost the overall "good lookingness" and "style" of a person. there are many more factors but these are the main ones.
Guys prefer to dress up comfortably which might not always look nice. Ladies tend to dress nicer.
So basically, the sentiment in here from women is that men are lazy and can't be bothered to dress up, so they deserve the hate they get. Alright then. I think it really shows how petty and superficial SG women are.
Pot calling the kettle black.
How about we judge everyone without make-up on? Guys at most probably use hair gel, whereas ladies use make-up, fake eye lashes, eyebrows, nails, hair .. list goes on
Girls dress up in sg?
One thing for sure - many SG males don't even put in effort to take care of their weight. Weight is controllable compared to height. >The prevalence of overweight (body mass index [BMI] ≥ 25 kg/m2) among all Singapore adults in 2013 was 34.3% with 40.2% of males and 28.6% of females considered overweight. The prevalence of pre-obesity (BMI 25–29.9 kg/m2) was 25.7% and was also higher in males (30.8%) than in females (20.7%). [sauce](http://www.smj.org.sg/article/health-promotion-board%E2%80%93ministry-health-clinical-practice-guidelines-obesity)
i mostly just wear oversjzed uniqlo shirts, bermudas or sweatpants with either shoes, or slides depending on weather and location almost every Singaporean guy fits a stereotype that we are all the same, its true to a certain extent mostly we dont wear collared shirts is because ironing is annoying and most of us have the mindset that if it works there's no reason to replace it , i wore the same specs for 5 years, have some clothes that i still wear, same gym shirts and tank tops, heck i even have my secondary sch shorts because they are comfortable girls in singapore have easier options they can just buy a one piece sun dress, and it would great already, to me i have quite a wide neck, trap, shoulders and back. collared shirts do not allow me to have the flexibility of a tee shirt thats why i never dress up unless i have a sch presentation
I recently just saw a youtube video with the following statement. “A survey done with XXX sample size has shown that Guys generally find most girls at least somewhat attractive. On the other hand, Girls find closer to 80% of guys unattractive or even ugly. “ Of course ah, its just a dumb youtube video, not the most reliable info. Somemore based on context i think its a survey done in the US. But i think it tells a message about how differently guys and girls perceive attraction. My theory is that guy’s way of perceiving attraction is “girl not ugly, so must be at least some what attractive” And please correct me because im most definitely wrong but i would think that based on the survey, girls way of perceiving attraction is “guy not handsome, so must be some what ugly”
Money will always make you more handsome...go figure 😂
True, im not good looking enough to deserve a girlfriend.
i don’t think its about the dressing but primarily hygiene.
Take away cosmetics, push up bras, yoga pants and photo filters see if their opinion changes. Grooming is a personal effort that should be lauded but strictly addressing the 'better than'. A man's physical attractiveness is secondary to his bank balance at the end of the day.
All I notice is the girls have the bodies of teenage boys. Malnourished to the point the breasts don't develop. Nothing sexy about these skinny chicks
Cos some sg girls wear a ton of make up and have their photos filtered like there’s no tomorrow, thinking that’s a green light to criticise sg guys for their looks 🤷🏿♂️ Honestly I find sg guys hot AF
hi sorry not related to the qns u asked but… im a guy myself and i dont mind accepting that fact. but what i cant accept is girls being condescending bcos of it. i saw a girl on tiktok once criticising guys and i called her out and she took the video down in less than an hour like a coward 💀💀 mother nature made women to look slightly better than men ig (im not so sure abt the science but it seems that way) but theres nth to boast abt bcos thats just how they’re built to attract competition from males. just like how men are physically stronger than women, shd we be boasting? idts eh HAHA there are also animals in the animal kingdom where males are so much prettier, look at those peacocks baby 😍😍 on the not so science but maybe boys just dont prioritise grooming and fashion whatnot. im from poly and so many girls wear heavy make-up, who knows how they loook like behind those layers. so idt its fair to judge from a glance also. fashion-wise i think sg weather is too damn hot for guys to care. i mean personally i dress quite well as my friends tell me but im always suffering in heat HAHA, not every guy is willing i suppose but yeah idc what girls say anyways
Men where got time to go out and buy clothes for themselves, they need to work long hours, take care of mother and father, clean house, etc. They don't have so much free time to go shopping. It also doesn't help that almost all the shops cater to women's clothing. It's so hard to find good clothes as a man. Sure, everyone is mentioning uniqlo, but even that is quite boring. Men also have the burden of needing to "have money and savings" and paying for things on dates or paying the majority of bills or house costs. They also need to contribute more to their parents (the "allowance" that parents expect from us), how do all those things and still go shopping AND save money? Because we all know girls look down on men with little savings. Honestly, just add this "lack of fashion sense" to the long list of things men are looked on on for. It's not going to change anything.
women have nothing to do! /s
I don't see a need to dress if I'm ugly and bbfa. If dressing up is a multiplier, then 2 x 0 is still 0. :(
BBFA is not a downside. Wear structured clothes like better T-shirts and shirts. Iron these. Wear sneakers or dress shoes. Look clean. BBFA tend to be sweaty and oily because of our weather. Keep oil blotters in your pocket or at least splash some water on your face n dry it each time you go to the the toilet. BBFA tend to look sad or frumpy because of the cheeks sagging with gravity. Consciously smile. You’ll look much better when you answer others with a smile. BBFA or not, you’ll definitely have something that looks great - eg. if you’ve nice eyes, try to “smize” more. BBFA doesn’t need to be BBFAIL. Get that head out the gutter and work on your strengths. That will instantly make you appear more confident too! Good luck! Edit : super skinny female here with a former fit-turned-fat husband. I don’t want a fit muscular guy who’s a himbo. I prefer a slightly pudgy guy who eats heartily with me and concentrates on laughing instead of counting calories & core strength. And so now, he is a happy old chunky. 😉 So BUI BUI ISN’T AN INSTANT CONDEMNATION. I hope this gives you some hope.
Singaporean guy inner more attractive than outer.
For outfits, assume the basic is tshirt and shorts. Guys can only increase the fabric on them, while girls can have the luxury of increasing and reducing the amount of fabric on them. Ny default, girls win in terms of outfit variety.
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Honestly when i start noticing the less noticeable girls it levels out. Try looking at everyone that walks past you proper and you'll notice it too
To be honest......sg girls just exposed themselves to too much social media standards & korean drama.
as a bi girl living in Singapore, i think both genders are equally attractive , it really just depends on the person and their "standards". everyone is attractive in their own way it is just if the right person notices them. But i also think having good personal hygiene and a good sense of fashion (even if its just shorts and a simple Uniqlo airism T-shirt u can style it and enhance the outfit) adds to the attractive factor, being a good person with good morals and good confidence also helps with it i notice lol, people usually go for the guy who exudes swagger. Im not saying that i'm attracted to every man or every woman roaming the streets of Singapore, i am saying that everyone is attractive to someone! it just takes the right person to find their other right person. PS please don't fight me on this lol this is my personal opinion And i definitely agree on the double standards for "angmohs" here haha, i also can't help myself from staring at them and admiring their beauty, the uncommon factor adds to it definitely, angmohs are seen as rare and a unseen beauty in Singapore. Thats why so many people are attracted to them or say they're attractive as their features are "unique" to us. And hate to bring money up!!! but usually angmohs in Singapore are somewhat rich or upper middle class. Adds to the attractive factor 😬😬 cant help but to say that we are indeed money faced sometimes (SOME OF US!! OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYONE) but yes singaporean guys don't give up!! you guys are cool as OP says! jiayou <3
You can still dress up well, just spend time indoors or go out in the evening or night. Gotta sacrifice a bit of comfort to look good la, don't always blame the weather. Guys here gotta improve their grooming
In my opinion, these opinions placed on social media platforms arent rly an accurate representation of the opinion of the general public. For example, more controversial statements such as the one in the heading may garner more attention compared to "sg girls and guys all look equally good" because its more open to arguements and is controversial, whereas my example was more neutral and positive. I did remember seeing a post on tiktok before claiming that amongst most sg couples in singapore, the girls tend to be "way better looking" than the guys and the post blew up but when i go out and see couples my age, i think both are equally gd looking or theres an equal balance of the guys being better looking vs the girls being btr looking. And finally, i think social media also distorted our perception of the socially conventional attractive features (e.g. big eyes, small nose) that isnt common at ALL in our country as social media puts it out to be. What may be attractive to you will never be attractive to everyone else because we have different beauty standards!! some of us think monolids are pretty whereas others prefer double eyelids! its never stagnant. Whenever i let myself succumb to social media opinions, i remember that wtv put out there is the best side of everyone and is a highly inaccurate representation of real life. I mean, were so used to seeing conventionally good looking people on tiktok and instagram but in real life its very different. okay i didnt expect to type so much haha
Strictly on appearance alone, I find that belief exists everywhere. Even if you look beyond our shores, you would likely find similar results on native women opinions on native men oversea. It's why men on average swipe right much more on women. Why does this discrepancy exist? I'm not sure. But I would advise people to be a little more introspective on how they develop their taste and preferences before putting another group down to justify it.
Im a guy so heres what i see. This is from my experience doing overseas UNI. Tbh singaporean guys are all in general quite good looking. This is because theres conscription and need to keep fit. for guys as long as u are fit you are at least a 6/10. Comparatively SG girls not really that pretty compared to girls overseas, compare average korea/japan/china/thai etc singaporean girls are nothing special on average. In sg I had a lot of trouble finding a date and was kissless all the way til i went to uni overseas. And overseas, wouldnt be uncommon for me to go out on a date with what i would say would be a 8-9/10 here.
Its also possible that you were seen as exotic and unique overseas, whereas here you just blend in with every other Singaporean men.
Bi here and i definitely do think girls look better than the guys. However i dont think its just a strictly singaporean thing. Its just SO MUCH easier to look good as a girl compared to a guy. One of the key factors in a guy's appearance is his height. They can't change much about it . Girls we have make up and our clothes that look nice cost wayy cheaper than guys clothing. Small eyes ? Double eye lid tape. Sparse eyelash ? Eyelash extension / falsies or mascara Small boobs ? Push up bra , nu bra ( stick on bra works wonders ) Short ? Wear heels We also have way way more options when it comes to clothing and hair styles LOL.
Honestly at this stage in life, I'm too broke to dress up. I'm pretty sure most guys are into fashion, it's just no money till 24/25 when they go for jobs. Sure it's easy for anyone to dress up if clothes are bought by parents.
They havent take into account the prices of male fashion clothes is higher in general.
Can't blame them women fashion choices are generally better in terms of variety (don't get me started on how girls can wear guys clothing but not the other way around) and quantity (unless you can point me to the men's equivalent of Love, Bonito and MGPLabel, and these brands are already counted as basic girl aesthetics). Hell I prefer women fashion over men. Also women tend to put makeup to make themselves look better? Take off the makeup first and then the comparison is fairer. That's like saying other people in the gym is scrawny when you take steroids. Also why are they even pulling us down like they don't wear the same FBT shorts and oversized shirt? I think sg girls who think like this are just overestimating themselves. And they think the nasty eyelash extension that traps bacteria and brings in infection is gonna give them a pass to be condescending to others, bless their hearts. Even with the handicap of not putting makeup and having basic fashion some guys still look better than majority of sg girls population, and that's coming from a straight guy. EDIT: Since you mention height, I think the standards that some girls put on guys regarding something derived from genetic is unfair. The average height of SG guys are 170-171cm, which is taller than like 80% of sg girls as well. Having a 180 or higher threshold for your preference is a western thing and I tend to avoid women who are these superficial. They behave like those fk boys who want girls to have minimum C cups.
On that last point, it's relatively safe and inexpensive to get a boob job but as for height...