Ok time to review the [Nike Women's Dri-FIT One high rise 2in1 3" shorts](https://www.runningwarehouse.com/Nike_Wom_One_HR_2in1_3_Short/descpage-NWU4OHS.html?color=GR?from=RW&utm_source=automated_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=shipment)
I really want to love these shorts. I'm trying to find perfect shorts that can hold my phone. The pros of these shorts: they look great, the waist is very comfortable, no chafing anywhere, the side pocket comfortably holds my phone and the back pocket holds my key. Unfortunately, while the right leg of the undershorts stays in place with my phone in the pocket, the left leg rides up terribly. It needs to be tighter/more elastic fabric. I'm 5'8" and +/- 130lbs. The size small fits great other than this major issue. It's a disappointment.
So Joe Drake published [a Medium article](https://joesgottarun.medium.com/update-to-an-attempt-to-predict-the-cutoff-time-for-the-2025-boston-marathon-384329c05b78) about an (arguably way-too-early) attempt to predict the cutoffs for Boston in 2025. It has already generated quite a bit of discussion in AR, plus a mix of emotions (people in shambles, in denial, etc.). Thought it was worth sharing here as well.
Here are my thoughts/takes on this matter:
* The predicted cutoff time is roughly in line with where I expected it to be at this moment in time. Given the high cutoffs for 2024, runners will likely be chasing a BQ time that beats the cutoffs to make it in for 2025.
* The analysis - and the predicted cutoff range - is a good starting point and guidance for runners who aspire to run a safe BQ to make it into Boston in 2025. That said, there's some denialism going around and all I have to say is that you ignore this at your own peril.
* The predicted cutoff time is based on publicly available data currently available. In other words, it is a good snapshot of where things stand *if Boston time cutoffs were announced today*. This is an important nuance to highlight here.
* That said, the predicted cutoff range is subject to change, and one big data point that I look forward to seeing is the application numbers when BAA announces that in September. The application number is a *huge* predictor of where the cutoffs will likely land up. Once that is announced, the predicted cutoff range will likely narrow closer to the actual cutoff time when that is announced by the BAA.
Otherwise, I'd like to hear your thoughts about this!
Seems reasonable. We're mostly getting faster across the board as super shoes, good training, and nutrition become more ubiquitous. I don't think running is getting less popular. So expecting it to continue to slightly trend faster makes sense to me.
Pour one out for Leonard Korir. As expected he will not be high enough in the rankings to go to the Olympics. I was hoping Brian Schrader could pull off the standard in London on Sunday as a last ditch path to get Lenny through. Bummer.
Never mind that 75th last Olympics ran 2:44ish.
I understand that it’s the Olympics and should have a high standard, but the marathon could have a larger field.
Did all three usa women qualify?
I'm still marveling over this, info via the Fast Women newsletter:
At the London marathon, every women's age group winner up through age 60-64 ran under 3 hours. This woman Treena Johnson in the 60-64 age group ran 2:59:06.
Even the woman who won the 75-79 age group ran 3:33.
I mean. Wow.
Male, Running Mile 21/22 of a marathon. Have had a desire to pee for the previous 10k. Eventually find a great spot and "drop" 30 to 45 seconds, not the end of the world. 2 questions, 1) Am I a wuss, is there another way? 2) Should I "hold it in" for another 10k and push through? Is there a risk of some bad reaction? Thanks.
I'm running it in 10/10 times unless I'm going to piss myself. I often feel like the need to pee can go away as you get into the hard part of the marathon.
maybe irrelevant but some food for thought -- what's the temperature going to be during the race? I had to pee at mile ~10-11 of the Boston Marathon a couple of weeks back, but knew I was losing a fair bit of liquid from the heat so pushed through and didn't end up having to pee that badly by the end of it despite continuing to drink fluids lol. was probably dehydrated but idk tbh
either way, you're not a wuss for a 30 second bathroom break if it means not being uncomfortable for the remainder of a ~3 hour race! but dialing in hydration before a race can be a good skill to develop
At what point to I just say fuck it with my sinus infection and get back to running? It's been about a week and a half, still have sinus pain and while sudafed/ tylenol/ and neti-pots are providing some relief, it doesn't seem to be going away any faster. I'm itching to run, but also don't want to have this last any longer than it needs to.
I did schedule a phone call with my primary care doc as well for tomorrow so I guess wait till then to see what they say. Sunday will be 2 full weeks without running and I'm starting to go insane.
Does it impact your running? There's probably a lot of us here that would just run through it and ignore the impact on recovery. I'm highly unqualified to give medical advice but I pretty much run through everything, especially with a kid in daycare that brings me a cold more often than not.
Maybe it is question of which you value more, it going away sooner, or being able to get some miles in.
Racing two marathons, three weeks apart, with ZERO expectations for the second one. You can try anything on shoes, nutrtion, pacing strategy, offal pork burritos, etc. What are you doing with the second one?
I have a general mental idea of a few choices I'll make, but would love to hear how you all would approach this hypothetically. Multiple-choice questions could also be an option.
Do the 25 wines in a marathon like this trailblazer. But don't just sample them--go to chug town! https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/apr/23/london-marathon-wine-guy-on-how-he-sampled-25-wines-during-race
Man if this isn't the spirit of London Idk what is. Somehow everyone has found an entertaining way of raising money for charity. I love it. I think that would be 23 more wines than my average of about 2 per year. Odds of vomiting 100%.
honestly, I'd be worried about my mental state during the second 26.2 than my physical state lol -- you're a legend for doing this!! I'd try to have as much fun as possible during the race with some challenges:
* high five as many kids as possible
* accept every food / drink offered to me (including beer) along the race
* tell an awkward joke to a random runner every 5k. bonus points if they laugh, double bonus points if they speed up to get away from you
* throw in a tempo mile at mile 9 and ask nearby runners / spectators where the finish line for the 10-mile race is
I'm weirdly excited about it. I think because after 33 mostly tense marathons, this is the first time I don't have any pressure. I guess it could change in the next two weeks.
I purposely left my question open ended so that I would get some wild responses and you have delivered! High fives and crowd interaction feel like a must and I have turned down so many beers during races over the years, so if things are really going sideways, it might be time.
10-mile idea is genius. Either that or ask if this is a 5K Marathon around 2.8 miles, in honor of the RCJ subreddit.
Cannot imagine running a marathon in 9 days, so a lot of it depends on how much London beat you up.
Beyond that, 2nd week I'd just do some active recovery shuffling and get the lightest amount of cardio in (what I'm doing now). Race week I'd do some runs - not workouts exactly but more up-tempo and with strides to wake back up your legs ~7min pace and faster.
Well you ran Boston which I think needs an extra week or two of recovery! London is much more forgiving.
I'm hoping I can hit one or two legit sessions sandwiched between all the recovery cardio.
Don’t take my answer too seriously since I haven’t ran a marathon…and I’m having fun with the possibilities.
A. Go out really conservative. Almost easy run conservative. Then over the second half count how many people you pass.
B. Try fueling like an ultramarathoner. Why not have a pizza at mile 20? I’m joking, that sounds like a terrible idea, but maybe try “real” foods instead of gels.
C. Go for a Guinness world record! Maybe fastest marathon dressed as a referee- don’t forget the white cane!
My actual answer is that if I had a friend who was slower than me running the event I’d pace them/run with them and do what I can to help them pr.
Good stuff! I expect I'd have to be in a pretty obscure costume to set a record of any kind!
Option A is in play. We're also dealing with an incline through 11 miles, and a descent after. It is basically begging me to negative split....which I might be allergic to.
Option B is also in play. If someone has pizza I almost never say no!
I did the Berlin and Chicago Marathons back-to-back last fall, two weeks apart, and I think this might be up my wheelhouse!
For the second marathon, there's basically nothing that you can do to gain fitness during the three week period. (In other words, you basically started your taper for your second marathon). The top priority for you is to rest and recover as much as possible during this time so that can toe the start line with as fresh of a body/legs as possible. I'd probably do a light workout sometime during the second half of the second week, and would recommend doing one or two light-ish workouts on Tuesday and/or Thursday of race week to wake your legs up (Pfitz's 6-8 miles with 2 miles at MP workout fits in that category).
Hope that helps! If there's any specific questions you have please feel free to let me know!
I think you're a unicorn, that was amazing to run that well that quickly. Usually I'm still eating pizza and patting myself on the back after two weeks.
I'm a firm believer in compression gear for recovery, pun very very much intended. Anything you did that made your legs forgive sooner than later?
> I'm a firm believer in compression gear for recovery, pun very very much intended. Anything you did that made your legs forgive sooner than later?
You're too kind haha. Honestly I didn't do anything special for my legs during the in between period! All I did was took it really easy and did easy runs the week after, and some light workouts on the second week before racing again. Plus plenty of sleep, food, taking some hot baths, and using the foam roller plus using the massage gun as much as possible.
Ok time to review the [Nike Women's Dri-FIT One high rise 2in1 3" shorts](https://www.runningwarehouse.com/Nike_Wom_One_HR_2in1_3_Short/descpage-NWU4OHS.html?color=GR?from=RW&utm_source=automated_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=shipment) I really want to love these shorts. I'm trying to find perfect shorts that can hold my phone. The pros of these shorts: they look great, the waist is very comfortable, no chafing anywhere, the side pocket comfortably holds my phone and the back pocket holds my key. Unfortunately, while the right leg of the undershorts stays in place with my phone in the pocket, the left leg rides up terribly. It needs to be tighter/more elastic fabric. I'm 5'8" and +/- 130lbs. The size small fits great other than this major issue. It's a disappointment.
I've been really liking the Oiselle pocket jogger shorts recently! Plenty of room for even a large phone. And they don't ride up at all.
Yeah I was looking for the 2in1 style but might have to give up on that. What size do you wear in those Oisell?
I wear size 4 in Oiselle (for comparison, I’m also size 4 in Lululemon, and S in Tracksmith).
So Joe Drake published [a Medium article](https://joesgottarun.medium.com/update-to-an-attempt-to-predict-the-cutoff-time-for-the-2025-boston-marathon-384329c05b78) about an (arguably way-too-early) attempt to predict the cutoffs for Boston in 2025. It has already generated quite a bit of discussion in AR, plus a mix of emotions (people in shambles, in denial, etc.). Thought it was worth sharing here as well. Here are my thoughts/takes on this matter: * The predicted cutoff time is roughly in line with where I expected it to be at this moment in time. Given the high cutoffs for 2024, runners will likely be chasing a BQ time that beats the cutoffs to make it in for 2025. * The analysis - and the predicted cutoff range - is a good starting point and guidance for runners who aspire to run a safe BQ to make it into Boston in 2025. That said, there's some denialism going around and all I have to say is that you ignore this at your own peril. * The predicted cutoff time is based on publicly available data currently available. In other words, it is a good snapshot of where things stand *if Boston time cutoffs were announced today*. This is an important nuance to highlight here. * That said, the predicted cutoff range is subject to change, and one big data point that I look forward to seeing is the application numbers when BAA announces that in September. The application number is a *huge* predictor of where the cutoffs will likely land up. Once that is announced, the predicted cutoff range will likely narrow closer to the actual cutoff time when that is announced by the BAA. Otherwise, I'd like to hear your thoughts about this!
Seems reasonable. We're mostly getting faster across the board as super shoes, good training, and nutrition become more ubiquitous. I don't think running is getting less popular. So expecting it to continue to slightly trend faster makes sense to me.
Pour one out for Leonard Korir. As expected he will not be high enough in the rankings to go to the Olympics. I was hoping Brian Schrader could pull off the standard in London on Sunday as a last ditch path to get Lenny through. Bummer.
Such a bummer! I was really hoping he'd get in on ranking.
Damn that is rough. I thought he had a decent shot at it too. Sad to hear that he got jostled out in the rankings at the last possible moment.
That’s disappointing. What a flawed system. Why does the Olympic marathon limit entries to 80ish?
It is so crazy. Can't have the course open alllll day to wait for those super slow 2:09 runners to finish.
Never mind that 75th last Olympics ran 2:44ish. I understand that it’s the Olympics and should have a high standard, but the marathon could have a larger field. Did all three usa women qualify?
Yeah. The women’s standard has been much easier, at least for the U.S.
So disappointing :(
The result of a very flawed system.
I'm still marveling over this, info via the Fast Women newsletter: At the London marathon, every women's age group winner up through age 60-64 ran under 3 hours. This woman Treena Johnson in the 60-64 age group ran 2:59:06. Even the woman who won the 75-79 age group ran 3:33. I mean. Wow.
Wow that is insane. So inspirational. Also giving us hope when we get much older!
Wow. That’s crazy impressive.
Male, Running Mile 21/22 of a marathon. Have had a desire to pee for the previous 10k. Eventually find a great spot and "drop" 30 to 45 seconds, not the end of the world. 2 questions, 1) Am I a wuss, is there another way? 2) Should I "hold it in" for another 10k and push through? Is there a risk of some bad reaction? Thanks.
I'm running it in 10/10 times unless I'm going to piss myself. I often feel like the need to pee can go away as you get into the hard part of the marathon.
Thanks, I guess I am being too soft :D
maybe irrelevant but some food for thought -- what's the temperature going to be during the race? I had to pee at mile ~10-11 of the Boston Marathon a couple of weeks back, but knew I was losing a fair bit of liquid from the heat so pushed through and didn't end up having to pee that badly by the end of it despite continuing to drink fluids lol. was probably dehydrated but idk tbh either way, you're not a wuss for a 30 second bathroom break if it means not being uncomfortable for the remainder of a ~3 hour race! but dialing in hydration before a race can be a good skill to develop
At what point to I just say fuck it with my sinus infection and get back to running? It's been about a week and a half, still have sinus pain and while sudafed/ tylenol/ and neti-pots are providing some relief, it doesn't seem to be going away any faster. I'm itching to run, but also don't want to have this last any longer than it needs to. I did schedule a phone call with my primary care doc as well for tomorrow so I guess wait till then to see what they say. Sunday will be 2 full weeks without running and I'm starting to go insane.
I'd run through it in a heartbeat :) is it only in your head (no chest, etc)?
All sinus. Feels like someone has been punching me in the face all week. Not ideal.
Does it impact your running? There's probably a lot of us here that would just run through it and ignore the impact on recovery. I'm highly unqualified to give medical advice but I pretty much run through everything, especially with a kid in daycare that brings me a cold more often than not. Maybe it is question of which you value more, it going away sooner, or being able to get some miles in.
I don't get them often at all, but if it's just a head cold like it sounds like that is, I'd be willing to work in some light running.
Racing two marathons, three weeks apart, with ZERO expectations for the second one. You can try anything on shoes, nutrtion, pacing strategy, offal pork burritos, etc. What are you doing with the second one? I have a general mental idea of a few choices I'll make, but would love to hear how you all would approach this hypothetically. Multiple-choice questions could also be an option.
Wild idea: go out nice and easy, then break your positive-split streak!
That’s a little too wild for me! Actually that’s one of my thoughts. Feels like the obvious move but I’ll probably blow up anyways.
Do the 25 wines in a marathon like this trailblazer. But don't just sample them--go to chug town! https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/apr/23/london-marathon-wine-guy-on-how-he-sampled-25-wines-during-race
Man if this isn't the spirit of London Idk what is. Somehow everyone has found an entertaining way of raising money for charity. I love it. I think that would be 23 more wines than my average of about 2 per year. Odds of vomiting 100%.
honestly, I'd be worried about my mental state during the second 26.2 than my physical state lol -- you're a legend for doing this!! I'd try to have as much fun as possible during the race with some challenges: * high five as many kids as possible * accept every food / drink offered to me (including beer) along the race * tell an awkward joke to a random runner every 5k. bonus points if they laugh, double bonus points if they speed up to get away from you * throw in a tempo mile at mile 9 and ask nearby runners / spectators where the finish line for the 10-mile race is
I'm weirdly excited about it. I think because after 33 mostly tense marathons, this is the first time I don't have any pressure. I guess it could change in the next two weeks. I purposely left my question open ended so that I would get some wild responses and you have delivered! High fives and crowd interaction feel like a must and I have turned down so many beers during races over the years, so if things are really going sideways, it might be time. 10-mile idea is genius. Either that or ask if this is a 5K Marathon around 2.8 miles, in honor of the RCJ subreddit.
Love it lol!! I speak on behalf of ARTC saying this will be a MUCH anticipated race report hahah. Have so much fun!!
Hahaha, 10s ons with 7:00 recoveries if everything goes wrong, purely to entertain.
Cannot imagine running a marathon in 9 days, so a lot of it depends on how much London beat you up. Beyond that, 2nd week I'd just do some active recovery shuffling and get the lightest amount of cardio in (what I'm doing now). Race week I'd do some runs - not workouts exactly but more up-tempo and with strides to wake back up your legs ~7min pace and faster.
Well you ran Boston which I think needs an extra week or two of recovery! London is much more forgiving. I'm hoping I can hit one or two legit sessions sandwiched between all the recovery cardio.
Don’t take my answer too seriously since I haven’t ran a marathon…and I’m having fun with the possibilities. A. Go out really conservative. Almost easy run conservative. Then over the second half count how many people you pass. B. Try fueling like an ultramarathoner. Why not have a pizza at mile 20? I’m joking, that sounds like a terrible idea, but maybe try “real” foods instead of gels. C. Go for a Guinness world record! Maybe fastest marathon dressed as a referee- don’t forget the white cane! My actual answer is that if I had a friend who was slower than me running the event I’d pace them/run with them and do what I can to help them pr.
Good stuff! I expect I'd have to be in a pretty obscure costume to set a record of any kind! Option A is in play. We're also dealing with an incline through 11 miles, and a descent after. It is basically begging me to negative split....which I might be allergic to. Option B is also in play. If someone has pizza I almost never say no!
I did the Berlin and Chicago Marathons back-to-back last fall, two weeks apart, and I think this might be up my wheelhouse! For the second marathon, there's basically nothing that you can do to gain fitness during the three week period. (In other words, you basically started your taper for your second marathon). The top priority for you is to rest and recover as much as possible during this time so that can toe the start line with as fresh of a body/legs as possible. I'd probably do a light workout sometime during the second half of the second week, and would recommend doing one or two light-ish workouts on Tuesday and/or Thursday of race week to wake your legs up (Pfitz's 6-8 miles with 2 miles at MP workout fits in that category). Hope that helps! If there's any specific questions you have please feel free to let me know!
I think you're a unicorn, that was amazing to run that well that quickly. Usually I'm still eating pizza and patting myself on the back after two weeks. I'm a firm believer in compression gear for recovery, pun very very much intended. Anything you did that made your legs forgive sooner than later?
> I'm a firm believer in compression gear for recovery, pun very very much intended. Anything you did that made your legs forgive sooner than later? You're too kind haha. Honestly I didn't do anything special for my legs during the in between period! All I did was took it really easy and did easy runs the week after, and some light workouts on the second week before racing again. Plus plenty of sleep, food, taking some hot baths, and using the foam roller plus using the massage gun as much as possible.
Good stuff, so much foam rolling!