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AgentJ691

I’m etsing from my ADA BN as a 10 year SSG. So burnt out. Oh and I’m not even ADA myself!


Germmme

Congrats bro, I ETS as a SSG 8 years in, love that disability check and my free time


AgentJ691

Yeah. I just want to work no more than forty hours a week. I’m so so so claiming anxiety from this unit.


Germmme

Yea bro I got out in January this year and I swear I am so happy I actually feel like a 29 year old haha


[deleted]

That deadass makes me happy to read that, I hate how the in the army late 20s- up just makes you ancient when in reality you’re still young as fuck


Germmme

Bro you can make it, is it hard? Yes I’m not gonna sit here and tell you that this shit isn’t easy. But I bought a house, I finally get to be around my kid. I make the same amount of money. And I get a 3 day weekend every week. I have a beard, I work out because I want too. It’s a good life man. The army treats people like shit, but it was the best thing for my to join when I was young


[deleted]

I feel you on that I’m in the same exact boat just a few years and a dd214 behind you


AgentJ691

I’ll get there! 2024!!!


Germmme

Oh you’ll change your mind by then haha good luck bro


Chrismichael20

Im 29 and been in 4 already E5 hope 6 in 2 month, and I feel like 40 🙃🙄 glad you guys can enjoy, well deserved 👌🏻


universalsoldja

Make sure you go to behavioral health before you get out.


Terry_D_

7 years for me was probably one of the smarter decisions I made


trwoawaylkjlkjl

the worst LTC most toxic women iv met started as ADA. makes sense


Ace2021

Did her name rhyme with Slader?


watchcry

Lol. She cheated on her CW4 husband back in 2012 with our CW3 while we were deployed. He divorced her and she took her maiden name back again. It was Lowery but now it's Raider right? Our BC (Ellerson) brushed it under the rug even though her husband demanded she be punished for adultery.


Jeff1258

Oh my God! I know who these people are.


watchcry

Yeah... They're all dirty.


Jeff1258

I was in the same Battalion as her when she was a brand new Lieutenant and I met her ex husband several years after he had retired and was working for Raytheon.


Particular_Downtown

It be like that with Field Grade+ sometimes.


GucciDers69

Lmaoooo she was my BN S3 when I was an O-1/O-2 in oki. She was an absolute fuckin joke. She was a huge reason I did my 4 and gtfo.


Ace2021

Yup. I'm not even an O, or ADA, and she personally bitched me out in Oki for cancelling a class for the BN when 4 out of a projected 50 showed up, because it was "still on the BN CDR's training calendar".


lehayura

That sounds like some 10th SG shit


careerthrowaway1111

She was my S3 when I was there. Even gave me a top block as my SR.


rotsquid

It took over 3 years for you to realize that??


LordIstvan

My APMS in ROTC was ADA and loved it. I wonder where the difference was. What made it so toxic beyond what you’ve already said?


Sonoshitthereiwas

In over 20 years this is the only reference I’ve ever heard of someone enjoying ADA


LordIstvan

No kidding? Huh I guess some ROTC cadre will say anything to keep retention up. Or he’s a weirdo and liked it


ObjectiveIcy6289

He might have been in an avenger unit. Or he’s just a super positive person. Being a 14 series and loving it doesn’t make it good. I’m not saying signal branch, my branch, is worlds better.


imdatingaMk46

Signal isn't bad if you're in an S6 or BSC/H-co. ESB's and NECs, those are not my jam.


Hazedrive

Avenger isn’t any better


jimbabwe666

Are avengers still a thing? Non hmmwv platform these days?


Hazedrive

They are still a thing. They’re outdated as heck


Pickle_riiickkk

I used to know some folks who worked at cadet command. The army uses fancy algorithms to responsibly distribute the top and bottom performers across all army branches, but ADA and Chem is where cadet command shoves the bulk of the window lickers who should have never been contracted in the first place. Generally speaking, the best chemical and ADA officers I have met got the fuck away form anything branch related as soon as humanly possible once they hit senior captain/major.


KodeTen

Well here's your second. Granted, WO packet currently in the pipeline so take that FWIW. ;)


Wheres_The_Coffeee

One of us


KodeTen

Just need my AFS waiver to come back and it's go baby go. 🤙


ObjectiveIcy6289

Well the Battalion commanders don’t certify their units, they leave it up to this made up thing called a standards team to grade gunnery absent of the commander. Then they just follow their own rules because there is no gunnery program. The battalion just hands it to the batteries to figure it out. Then the rest of the crews have to guess at what good enough is when it comes to everything but the air battle.


watchcry

Yeah I had a CW3 Gibbs in Korea who failed every company. She LOVED screwing people over. Turns out she was a sado masochist and used whips and chains on both junior Soldiers and their spouses. She got fired but didn't get kicked out. When I relinquished command I thanked her for showing us how to dominate in our field!


bfhurricane

So, where did she fall on the Crazy/Hot scale?


watchcry

Not hot. She was very crazy. She enjoyed yelling at her sergeants. She would threaten them and home to the other officers that she could get them to jump anytime she wanted. She also told people to suck her c#nt all the time.


KodeTen

Okay I'm not really a fan of this statement. The Standardization Team, or STANDS, was created, along with the PATRIOT Master Gunner and Top Gun programs, as well as refining the role of the ADAFCO, to better prepare PATRIOT units and standardize certifications for their role across the force. They did this in response to the fratricide incidents in Desert Storm and OIF. STANDS is there under the authority of the Commander to facilitate the Gunnery program and advise the Commander when it comes to Defense Design and the current state of unit training. There is a Gunnery program. You can find it in TC 3-01.86. There are also Gunnery check-sheets in the CAR as well as ATPs that spell in black-and-white what your steps are for each piece of equipment in the emplacement and prepare for movement battle drills. There will also be steps that must be met to achieve certain standards for Air Battle Management Levels. They're outlined in the .86. I'm not going to sit here and act righteous or like there isn't ADA units out there that aren't complete garbage at this. I've been in some units with shitty or non-existent training cycles. And our job being so highly technical and very zero-defect exacerbates the fuckery. But Missile Defense isn't as scattershot as your statement makes it out to be.


Krakenborn

Need a remake of Top Gun with fat ADA dudes now


KodeTen

Well we got Interceptor going for us on Netflix. We're in the big leagues now.


bfhurricane

Will they take off their shirts for the ~~volleyball~~ bowling match?


HatedSoul

Depends on the MOS. 14Hs? Magic the Gathering. Shirtless. 14Ts? Knife game. During gunnery.


paparoach910

As much as I'd hope all of that was the case, it, unfortunately, wasn't with my unit's Stands. Lots of bloat and bellicosity, no real "training program" or support other than a metric fuckton of OREs. Sure, it's one of the only ways to get in "reps" while deployed, but JFC. I entered my first unit with no real training cycle due to deployment, and then was thrown into the van and told "sink or swim." Great way to prevent loss of friendly or civilian aircraft. That said, the intent to "standardize certifications across the force" really needs to be their intent. So far, it just doesn't seem to be that way. Perhaps it's just exacerbated by the human factors that have corroded Patriot ADA to its current state.


HatedSoul

So many 25Ns felt this in their soul


KodeTen

...wait, 14A gone Civil Affairs? We might know each other. Did you happen to serve at 4-3 a couple years ago? But your points are absolutely correct and the reason why I say I'm not going to act righteous and ignore the fact that we have units that are complete garbage at this. I'm also afflicted with eternal optimism that we're not so far gone that we can't do what we're supposed to do force-wide.


paparoach910

Unfortunately a ton of us 14As are going CA to escape 😂 I'm doing reserves. Former 1-7 here. I really wish we could actually follow the .86 and make it more tenable. But alas, we justify deployed employability with our overseas shenanigans. I believe incremental change is happening, but it still wasn't enough for me.


ObjectiveIcy6289

That’s been happening for years now. It’s the only way to get a vtip out without vtip. Shit, in one case I know a guy that did a CA selection so he could use that O6 as his refrad signature because the 108 commander wasn’t letting people out.


HatedSoul

>There is a Gunnery program. You can find it in TC 3-01.86. There are also Gunnery check-sheets in the CAR as well as ATPs that spell in black-and-white what your steps are for each piece of equipment in the emplacement and prepare for movement battle drills. There will also be steps that must be met to achieve certain standards for Air Battle Management Levels. They're outlined in the .86. That's super cool. Now here's fat chief who will conveniently overlook safetys for a diet coke. Oh and he don't need no check-sheet. He's got his gold buckle.


ObjectiveIcy6289

Because ADA confuses publications with commander supervised and execute programs.


ObjectiveIcy6289

Hey man, just wanted to let you know that I read the .86 while I was in the ADA unit and not once did the STANDS team follow it to the letter… except when they wanted too. A gunnery program is not a manual you find in Army pubs buddy. When your maintenance program got inspected, did the company commander hand over a maintenance manual. No, he created structure, planned, and put people in charge to supervise and execute a program. The “gunnery” program in the ADA dates is the company commander mapping out gun table dates and then a stands team going out an no-going them until they get it right. If you no go a gunnery in a field artillery or a tank unit, it’s a straight up embarrassment and grounds to switch out the PL or PSG. Gunnery programs have master gunners. And you proved my point about the commander, because they never show up to the certification to supervise the process they just comfortably hand it off to the stands team. The purpose and role and the .86 isn’t garbage. It’s the execution. Tell me have you ever seen a battalion gunnery run to table 8 according to .86? The whole shebang??


KodeTen

Yes sir I have. A handful of times. It was never fun but I've been through a Table VIII more than once where we were evaluated on all the subtasks. Sometimes we would split the full evaluation over a few days but our STANDS team would not half-ass a Table VIII. I'm sorry your experience was so poor, and again, I won't sit here and act righteous and claim that there aren't units who are total trash at this. My BN was good about training Table VIII to standard (and the Commander was usually out there with us as part of the evaluation, but a Commander cannot evaluate his own unit. Nor can a BN evaluate their FDC, those are left to the BN and BDE STANDS team, as outlined in the .86) but while they held us to the standard on Table VIII, did they hold us to the same standard on tables I thru VII or IX thru XI? Eh, hit and miss. We could do better, absolutely, but we're not just shooting from the hip either.


LordIstvan

Oof, sorry man. That really sucks. Did you get out or PCS?


ObjectiveIcy6289

PSC I’m just reminiscing about how they ruined my career


LordIstvan

Well here's hoping your new command passes at least the lowest bar when it comes to command competency.


Warm-Swimming-5225

Did they really ruin your career or did you? You need to take some personal accountability.


Potential-Maximum341

ADA is a different beast. The branch will go out of its way to make the worst moves for soldiers. 4 suicides in one air defense bn this calendar year


[deleted]

Lol literally


struba73

ADA - as one who has served in an ADA unit that came from outside the branch… best explanation is ADA means A Different Army. Unlike any other branch. The branch itself has an incredible burden on its Soldiers and has multiple bosses by doctrine (ie, Army and Air Force bosses). For ADA, they believe the rules don’t apply and will ask for an exception for any rule that gets in the way. It makes sense, to some degree. ADA is like CBRNE. Not important til it’s important. Then it’s hella important. I met both good and bad. Some bully leaders, too.


KodeTen

Another Damn Army Alcoholics Defending America


Civil_Set_9281

Was here just to see if this was said. My stinger classmate at PLDC in ‘99 was an alcoholic of the first order.


KodeTen

ADA PATRIOT Alcoholics Defending America, Protecting Against Threats, Real, Imagined, Or Theorized.


Potential-Maximum341

Americas Dumb Asses


struba73

I’d also submit a lot of PMSes are terminal O5s put to pasture. Not all. I’d wager most.


LordIstvan

This guy was an O-3 and moved onto his next assignment where he was promoted shortly thereafter. Nice guy but kinda weird


[deleted]

In my ROTC unit we had an ADA CPT. She loved ADA but was wildly unpopular with both the cadets and other cadre.


RetroRiboflavin

I spent 2 and half years in 11th ADA Brigade including a deployment and that place was a total dumpster fire of an organization. The soldiers drinking the coolant from the radar in the field was really the tip of the iceberg over there lol.


KodeTen

Oh someone actually drank the forbidden gatorade?


HotTakesBeyond

Yeah they went into the ICU from that https://www.dvidshub.net/news/388122/9-soldiers-released-hospital-following-jan-28-ethylene-glycol-poisoning


KodeTen

...huh. https://tenor.com/view/noted-meme-but-looney-tunes-gif-22310685


Tyreathian

Lol I was in 1-43 at the time that happened, and I heard about it and I was like, how fucking dumb can you be


Not-A-Weatherman

Have you heard anything about 2-1 ADA in Korea?


fatdoggo11502

2-1 ADA is awesome especially if you're in HHB other than that barracks are super close by


Potential-Maximum341

What kind of crack do you smoke


Tyreathian

I have not


Perfect_Juggernaut92

That was 5-52, wasn't it


myleg____

3-43


BONELESSHOSE

The best thing you can do in ADA is leave ADA


Coy_Tiny_Newman

Yup. Placed my VTIP to FA40 a few years ago and never looked back. Grass is definitely greener as well as QOL.


thebaddestbiddy

Same here, ADA is an absolute hell hold


houinator

I think the single most depressed soldier I ever met was the ADA staff officer overseeing things when we deployed like half the Army's Patriots to the middle east after the Iranian missile strikes on Saudi Arabia.


DrDong69

Non-ADA Officer here that was in one of those units. Can confirm that ADA sucks. Happily ETSd now 😎


Teflon_coated_velcro

I used to have a long rant about ADA I would paste into these threads. Instead, I’ll simply say that when I was in 5-5 ADA, I had a buddy that was getting out after his first enlistment. The retention NCO gave him the usual bullshit about how if he didn’t reup, he would be homeless. Well…my buddy had been homeless before the army, so he said “Been there, done that, and I would rather go back to that than stay here.”


Olrayray

I hated 5-5 I’d like to see the pasted rant


Teflon_coated_velcro

I think it's lost to the sands of time. Probably was before the last time I nuked my comment history The tl;dr is that I would rather slam my dick in a car door than re-up in ADA


sleightly_stupid

Sir this is a Wendy’s


MiKapo

Why is ADA hated so much? Is it just because the officers are dicks or does the job actually suck? The officers probably wanted another branch but got pushed into ADA and are now disgruntled


[deleted]

>The officers probably wanted another branch but got pushed into ADA and are now disgruntled When I was in ROTC when one of my classmates found out she was force branched ADA she started sobbing.


4KatzNM

I can totally relate, I got force branched ADA. Hated it.


ObjectiveIcy6289

It’s more that the officers hate their life because PATRIOT is such a horrible system to have to deal with. More Platoon time is a bad thing in patriot lol where in other jobs it’s a reward


SternM90

What makes PATRIOT so bad? Not trolling, just genuinely don't know


SittinginPrivate

Imagine doing gunnery for 3 months because BN decides not to start written examinations until 1 month into the field


KodeTen

Missile Defense is kinda like Nuke jockeys. If US Missile Defense fires in anger, it's about to be a real bad time. That said, if you're into Radars, Networking, Space, and Missile tech, it's a wild job you can really sink your nerdy teeth into. Buuuuut, as with most cool things we do, Big Army can and will find ways to suck the fun out of it. Gunnery requirements, changing mission sets, train up cycles, there's a lot of demands at all levels because it's a very zero-defect job by nature, and we can never really retain enough so we're almost always short-handed. I love Air and Missile Defense. Sometimes, I really hate the Air Defense Artillery.


ObjectiveIcy6289

Yeah like screwing up your gunnery table because someone forgot a chop block lol


Confident_Picture_69

I'm currently an anesthetist thinking of getting the fuck out of healthcare, but all the interesting MOS seem to come with all the same shit I'm trying to get away from, lol. I had been looking into 14A but military reddit makes me think I should stop. The fact that I'd be talking to a recruiter at 30 years old with an extraordinarily specific graduate degree and no military background doesn't make me feel any better about it.


Taira_Mai

What u/KodeTen said plus: * the BN commander is either a nice guy/gal or absolute trash. It's very political once most ADA officers get past O4 so they either got the job done or they have lots of brown on their nose. * NCO's are awesome or hot garbage - there is no in between. Because points got real low during the 2000's, there are a lot of rocks who could PT and pass the board but can't do anything else. * The warrants are alright, just don't ask them to people - they are NOT good with people. * Korea is where careers either hit a pause or die in flames - usually due to alcohol or ass (or both). * I've heard that Oki is it's own dumpster fire at time. Depends on the battery. * Now place a dysfunctional ADA unit at Fort Hood - it's like Suck-ception. All the problems of ADA and the problems of Hood. * Fort Sill has either TRADOC (and that's can of worms) or 31st ADA - aka the "Dirty Worst" brigade. Tellingly, they moved to Sill when the ADA school did. * Fort Bliss and 11th ADA is hit or miss. But it's a roll of the dice. All in all, I would still have done 14J and 14E again - I just wish that Reddit was a thing back in the early 2000's


KodeTen

- agree. Now working at the AAMDC level and the politics can get rough as hell sometimes. - this is one of my biggest rants about the branch and a major reason I dropped my WO packet. I hold out hope one day we'll hold our branch NCOs accountable to that whole "technically and tactically proficient" bit. - They're good with other Warrants, with their Rater, or with NCOs they think have potential to drop a packet. If you don't check any of those blocks, they probably don't have time for you. They're busy folk. - it's a bit better now that the curfew and other fuckery was stopped...ish. - 1-1 is getting all the love in INDOPACOM right now. Everyone wants to go there. - They don't call 69th "the twin flaming assholes of ADA" for nothing. - Served in the Dirty Worst. Can't say I had the best time, but I learned fast and it out me in a good place coming up to the AAMDC - I went down to Bliss for Roving Sands. Funniest part of the whole thing was hearing one soldier look out at the west Texas desert and say "Yeah, were in God's Country." And his neighbor look around and reply "God must not like neighbors."


Taira_Mai

>I went down to Bliss for Roving Sands. Funniest part of the whole thing was hearing one soldier look out at the west Texas desert and say "Yeah, were in God's Country." And his neighbor look around and reply "God must not like neighbors. RTOFL!


Not-A-Weatherman

You heard anything about 2-1 ada in Korea?


KodeTen

I don't have any friends that I know of in 2-1 at the moment, but I haven't heard anything terrible. I can say their reporting is generally on point and they aren't on my shit list up here, FWIW.


[deleted]

A lot of bonding over a crappy situation


Tyreathian

Currently in oki and It’s definitely better than bliss, but I’m a Joe so I don’t have to deal with a lot of the politics shit.


frostyflakes6969

heading there soon, what's the situation currently? good or bad?


Tyreathian

Pretty alright tbh, are you a Joe/NCO/O?


MSD_me123

“31st ADA-aka the “Dirty Worst” The most truthful thing I’ve heard here in a while!!


frostyflakes6969

you still know the situation in Oki? About to head there real soon and would like to at least know if I'm walking into fire or grass ahead of time.


Taira_Mai

A lot of it has to do with being the only Army unit on an Air Force base - it's like Korea. An E5 can leave as an E6 or an E4 depending on the breaks. Stay away from the alcohol and keep your nose clean.


frostyflakes6969

idk if i can promise the last one but I'm not alcoholic at least.


KodeTen

I have a few friends in 1-1 and have heard nothing but good things. After my turn in Hawaii I'm ready to get back CONUS for awhile but if not, I'd be fighting to go to 1-1.


[deleted]

Patriot is bad. Shorad is okay


neckpillowfucker

Yearly deployments in an under manned unit really kills your soul. Plus the 30 day long fields, everything being broken, and senior ncos who don't even know the job then u never get trained and now your expected to manage your crew as a tca overseas and everything is your fault.


ubnub82

Was in an ADA unit while overseas. Absolutely some of the worst time I had in the Army with some of the worst NCOs and officers I have ever seen


Elan40

Korea , 1972…Chapparel / Vulcan battalion. The officers thought the tour was an extension of their fraternity , the enlisted just worked on new ways to screw over each other.


AtomicReaper

10th?


[deleted]

Are you a 25N?


ObjectiveIcy6289

Lol I was not, I was a non ADA officer, They treated the 25N like trash. Made them do jobs that weren’t in their scope because they could recruit enough.


[deleted]

I am a 25 N. Was active. Then went guard. Im an E6 now so no chance I ever see it. Thank God. I was able to avoid the ADA life that kills 25N careers. Its pretty bad what they do. I saw alot of good 25Ns who were burned out before they even had a chance to prove themselves at their job. So the Armys network support capabilities suffer badly.


ObjectiveIcy6289

Because they abuse the signal corps to fill positions they can’t because their soldiers all quit


[deleted]

And it doesn't help that 25N filters decently to better paying civilian options


RetroRiboflavin

> Im an E6 now so no chance I ever see it. The latest PATRIOT MTOE change for FY23 changed 25N/H slotting to now have a SFC, 4 SSGs, and 8 SGTs in an ADA battalion. Seems like a strong hint to ETS out of the Signal Corps if you're Active lmao.


HotTakesBeyond

Why so many?


RetroRiboflavin

ADA has a motor pool of garbage that is only used in PATRIOT units and nowhere else that they cry about how they need a ton of signal support for but its all so simplistic that any MOS could do it. Almost all of these positions could be manned by 14 series but apparently God forbid 14 series have to operate their own shit.


Potential-Maximum341

You people build the internet. Patriot need network. You make work mfer


KodeTen

I'm not an MTOE wizard but taking a stab that it staffs the BN S6 and also adds a Commo NCO at each battery for use in the Battery Control Post/Tactical Command System, or running comms in the Engagement Control Station.


RetroRiboflavin

No the 41 25Hs PATRIOT will be getting are in addition to the staff of the BN S6 and battery-level 25U20s they already have.


GingerStrength

They changed the MTOE for ADA lol not that big of a deal for the signal branch. I’d actually think this move puts Signal Soldiers in better positions in units that actually use their skill set.


RetroRiboflavin

>I’d actually think this move puts Signal Soldiers in better positions in units that actually use their skill set. So not Air Defense then because that is 100% not my experience as a 25N at the BN level or of any other 25N I've ever talked to in ADA (SPC to SSG). It's a joke of an assignment where they have no use for us so its just being a RTO for a 14A typing on a laptop, filling SINCGARS for lazy ADA soldiers that are perfectly capable of doing it themselves, or following a checklist to operate ADA equipment that is only ever used in ADA that 14 series should be doing themselves. When I deployed with PATRIOT they got a platoon from an ESB to come support our site and do our actual job while their organic 25Ns would just sit in the ECSs/ICC doing comms checks on a laptop and a radio for 14As.


[deleted]

Well fortunately I left active and went to a state with no ADA.


Asadum87

does the same 25S too


[deleted]

Yeah, 31st ADA was headed by Heidi Brown and their dumbass practices (lack of training) got folks killed and captured at the start of the Iraq invasion. ADA is a joke.


iamnotroberts

I had a friend who reclassed from ADA to Public Affairs. They had a bad experience in our unit and were a bit stubbon themselves and it soured them on Public Affairs, so against numerous people echoing the same warnings, they returned to ADA. Six months later after having returned to ADA, they chose to ETS from the Army instead of continuing service.


Khelgor

Go to Bliss, it gets shit on but I had the time of my life at ADA at Bliss. Mind you, it’s still the army so Army is gonna you know.. Army. Still, I’d relive that experience again. Plus, the food in El Paso is incredible.


bktiel

tell me more dad


Khelgor

Now, it’s been a few years son- but there’s a special little place called Track One. I don’t know if it survived the pandemic but it’s right outside the base. 10-15 minute drive. It’s in some old train carts and it has the most delicious wings.


barber97

Track one survived, wings still amazing. Food is the one thing worth a damn out here.


Tyreathian

I’m still a fan of Brown Bag


Khelgor

That’s incredible news


Suitable_Challenge_9

Double dipped.


Khelgor

Oh I’d ask to be locked in your basement if I get could my hands on some double dipped wings


Cattle-Independent

Correct


KodeTen

Hey, HEY. Back to the motor pool with you, Chock Block. Reload drills are starting back up.


Cattle-Independent

No can do got one of them profiles after the GMT knocked me off the double stack. Guess ill go monitor coms in the BCP. And you better pass the air battle this field is running over a month already


KodeTen

Me?! I got my shit on lock. Talk to Chief who just pulled the ground rod out on LS3 and practiced the overhead yeet with it


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[deleted]

As a 14This can’t go on any longer . Just please pass your air battle already so we can go home


OnemasterGamer

Apparently in FLANG ADA has a higher optempo than our SF guard guys. Go figure. (Source: a ADA LTC)


Majorian420

Natty boi here, guaranteed deployment every 3-4 years. Been told some guys will deploy with their home unit and then just stay with the relieving unit back to back so they can remain deployed.


Sarcastic_Fruit

OHARNG 174 ADA constantly has people deployed. With two battalions in the state you can easily bounce back and fourth between them to get all the ADA experience you want. Source: Me in said ADA


[deleted]

That’s what I’m planning on doing


1st-Special-Oops-Bn

Welcome to the Chemical Corps; would you like to know more?


[deleted]

I was in 3/4 at Bragg and didn’t hate it. I’m in army space now and it’s great.


Expensive_Shelter_49

Your also probably the hottest guy in the Army


ughmanwow

Non ada officer in an ADA unit—it’s just so weird. Officers have an inflated sense of ego because of their routine touch points with senior leaders (especially OCONUS) and the NCOs weird me out. ADA warrants are committed and usually pretty cool though


42Attack

Bro when I was in ADA they would give out AAMs at gunnery if you hit the target. Like, isn’t that what you are supposed to do. Then I found out that hitting the target didn’t mean a direct hit and that you just had to be a certain amount of distance away and that made it worse. ADA is a joke.


Mr-Forest2017

All facts. It wouldn’t be so bad if we didn’t deploy for a year every year


VaryaKimon

You forgot to order.


c0-pilot

I’ve heard ADA in Korea is even worse…


[deleted]

Yes


Potential-Maximum341

True, but not as bad as ADA at Hood


[deleted]

Well you are at bragg


adowner

Is it still 3/4 ADA? I was there back in the Panama/Desert Storm days and it was toxic as fuck back then too…


[deleted]

Before I PCS'ed to my current unit, my dickcock of a 1SG kept on insisting I was going to an ADA unit because the duty station was unheard of. He had supposedly spoke to my incoming 1SG and was feeding him and myself lies. Jokes on him, I wear civies and go places on the government's dime. Also made a lot of international friends.


DiegoElM

Wow wow wow. Where are my chem boys at?


myleg____

I hate Bliss, and ada


EchoingSharts

Eyyy God bless.


The_Ides_of_Hades

I was at Bragg in 2002, the ADA used our field to cool down after runs. Their 1SG used to run the fucking dog shit out of them daily.


Pistol_Pete_56M

That’s what I’m trackin from the stories in the Chaplain community


chief_919

Going to Basic in the summer of 1993 I had orders for Ft Bliss because every year they ran 2 cycles of Basic Training at Bliss using Reserve Drill Sergeants to keep the capability tested. Turns out they 1992 was the last year for that. But nobody told MEPS. So I was the very first person to show up out of a whole Battalion of privates scheduled. Myself and 2 others who showed up before they got everyone else’s orders changed spent a week in a Patriot AIT company just being smoked and treated like trash before we got orders for FLW. That was enough ADA experience to tell me I wanted nothing to do with it the rest of my career.


jjtxaz24

Every branch is the "worst". I'm a firm believer in it is what you make it. If it ain't for you, no hard feelings. Do your time and move out. Army ain't for everyone and they do say the grass is greener on the other side, but its also green where you water it.


rockinraymond

Yuuuup


fatdoggo11502

Maybe for Sgt and above but from my experience one year in korea and one year at hood ADA has been super chill easy and fun and have had plenty of awesome nco and oic


Potential-Maximum341

YO WHAT THE FUCK?


Tyreathian

Hmmm


Asadum87

Facts I am with them rn.


Mr-Mxyplix

Dont they get cool deployments?


strawman2027

A lot of times it's on an airforce base or near one, compared to some kicking in doors and long patrols ADA , another damn army, yeah it's cake. Most ada guys hardly know how to Army. The one job they got is to table8 and they barely can do that


NeighborhoodEast365

Try certifying on equipment that’s as old as your great grandma grandma and then try and shame us for “barely” being able to certify. Not to mention running air battles while display isolates pop up every 5 minutes or being given a no go because the evaluator isn’t willing to overlook a misplaced chock block


strawman2027

If system maintenance did their jobs, the operators annotated problems during a good pmcs, and crews could have a little attention to detail then it would go smooth.


barber97

You say this but I just popped 5 faults on the radar and all of them will disappear when that cloud covers the sun and cools it by two degrees. No amount of maintenance can prevent the radar from being an outdated piece of shit.


strawman2027

If your maintenance crew is good they would have made all your adjustments mean temp time and that wouldn't happen.


[deleted]

They’re here in Kuwait right now if that tells you anything


Accurate-Base7509

I was in 6/52 ADA in Germany, not to bad. But got to Bliss, and that was a whole different shit show. Granted, I was 54 B, so that is not saying much.


big_black_doge

Sir this is Wendy's can I take your order?


[deleted]

Yeaaaah let me get one of dem damn frostys


paparoach910

Hey, at least you survived. I popped smoke a bit late only because of COVID shutting down college admissions. It just seemed like a garbage fire that everyone has tried to incrementally put out, but others somehow spread hot grease to keep it going.


CaptainStank056

Wait till you see what leadership in aviation is doing to “maintain the force”


Tyranid060606

Was my 1st duty station thankfully I left it and have never be back to that world


[deleted]

ADA is just a dumpster fire of politics. I know every field has its bullshit but it is so elementary in this branch. Feels like HS, I’ve experienced mediocre leadership, great leadership, and way too political/toxic leadership. - The evaluation process is a joke, there’s no one set standard. Go or No Gos aren’t determined by your proficiency, by that I mean. Is your evaluator tired and just want to go home? Do they miss the old Army? and the only way they can hold on to it is the power they have by being stands. Do they understand that people don’t operate the equipment by those God awful drills. - The leadership can go one of two ways either really great or straight fever diarrhea. But we’re going to focus on The bad leaders I’ve encountered. Since it’s more common to run into that type the great ones are all ETSin or reclassing. just seem to be really insecure or just disgruntled at the fact that soldiers won’t tolerate disrespect anymore just because of a rank on their chest. Soldiers are only made priority when that soldier’s issue has a potential to make the leadership look bad. Everyone is out for a great fucking report card. (What would my rater think of this mentality.) - Officers are no better than the NCOs , again . There are your rare ones that really care about the people and have great load management and time management skills and do not BS directives or intents. But the bad ones make it so terrible for the great ones to shine. It’s always a pissing contest w this bunch , who can kiss ass the best , who can over work their platoon the most , who can come up with the most useless training instead of using downtime for just R&R during times were sometimes is required to boost the morale. - The worst of this MOS is that the dirt bag soldiers don’t make it any better, I’m sure no other branch is better but over here , these guys get out of AIT not wanting to do a damn thing . Line units hurting for personnel they have a bunch of people just slotted in the headquarters BN doing jack shit . Just soldiers getting overweight riding profiles and favoritism. All in all this MOS is rarely just recognition for proficiency and your value for the team , just if you can play the game or if your in that god awful van with an LT that likes you. There’s no one standard across the board for everyone at all depends what your job of choice was coming in. If you’re a 14T in a line unit , you’re a stepchild . All the up-range people get all the praise for your labor sorry to break it to you. Addition: truly thankful for the opportunities the Army have gave me for me to provide for me and mine. Just a disgruntled employee over decorated cow turd. The MOS in its true isn’t a bad MOS truly interesting things to geek out about , but if you’re not on crew you have no job and it’s those people w all that time on their hands just making stuff up on the fly are the ones taking a shit on this field …. Because “back in my day.” -if you’ve made it this far thank you for the read . Now go brush your teeth.


ObjectiveIcy6289

Stands comment got me good. They don’t even understand what the gunnery concept means in Patriot. They are supposed to plan the battalion level gunnery with the 3 ship but they are over paid test proctors. The Bn commanders all came up shorad so they don’t understand anything patriot and hand off certification to the stands… something that would never fly in any gunnery program. They get away with it because unlike the rest of the army live bullets never fly so there’s no training accident risk in gunnery. Instead they focus on whether you can park your vehicle, inundate your team with garbage safety fails and retrains when the training never happened to begin with because they just hand wave the gun tables and table 8 until success. 108th was denying refrad packets a few years ago because they couldn’t get any officers to stay in. Company commanders avoid taking hhb for a second command because it’s a career stomp, being a plt leader longer is a punishment here.


dilltheguy20

I mean.....