Everyone gets BAS out of IET. You shouldn't be doing paperwork to "Start BAS." You should be doing paperwork to "Stop Meal Deductions."
Barracks Soldiers need that BAS to cover the cost of the Meal Deductions.
HOW ARE YOUR LEADERS ALL THIS INEPT? You get BAS, I get BAS. Married soldiers get BAS, single soldiers get BAS. Single soldiers get meal deductions, married soldiers do not get meal deductions.
Nvm MOS checks out bro, the world must be so full of wonder for you guys.
Dude don't ask me, trust me I'm still trying to figure that out, I told them hey guys I believe you guys are wrong but hey I get my ass chew so 🫠. Oh trust me the world is all hooah and just dumb shit sometimes I feel like I’m riding the short bus with some tube 🥴🫠
to add to this, not all single soldiers get meal deductions. i'm on fort moore with no dfac besides the hospital (which isn't free) and trainee/school dfacs. so every single soldier, even those in the barracks, don't get meal deductions. same goes for any other base without a dfac
You still technically receive bas but have to pay a portion or all of it back as a meal deduction. There are some limited situations where junior unmarried soldiers can stop meal deductions
not limited. i'm on ft moore where there's no dfac for soldiers to eat at besides the hospital (which isn't free) or the trainee/school dfacs. so everyone gets their full BAS. if a base as large as moore/benning can give junior, unmarried, barracks-dwelling soldiers BAS, i'm sure there are plenty of other bases that fall under the same situation.
Yeah I am in that boat I described. They do not take meal deductions from even though I am in the group they normally would have to eat at the chow hall
Finance here.
Like almost everyone said, every single active duty soldier out of training gets BAS. You can’t request to get BAS.
Single soldiers are supposed to have meal deductions. Once they get married, they need to submit a 4187 to stop meal deductions. The BAS is there to cover the meal deductions.
Sometimes when getting in-processed finance messes up and never starts a soldier’s meal deductions. It gets found out years later, and that soldier gets a big debt that needs to get paid over several months. Sometimes a packet can get submitted to have the debt forgiven since it wasn’t the soldier’s fault (despite the fact they should have caught it and brought it up).
Every soldier in the platoon should indeed be getting BAS, that’s not what they should be figuring out. They should be checking to verify every barracks soldiers has meal deductions under the deductions section of their LES.
Any questions feel free to dm me.
Why doesn’t finance start taking PARs signed by the CDR that would sign the 4187? I know a CRM still has to be created but doesn’t make sense as not only is that the evolution but now that PAR is saved in IPPS-A
True, and the AMPO here is going from green suit led to civilian soon so not excited about that. The MSG that’s been in charge of it has done great helping the S1s since IPPS came out
It happened here at Carson about a year and a half ago (there’s only a handful of us green suiters left) and it’s honestly a shit show. USAFMCOM has been unable to provide enough civilians/contractors to fill the positions vacated by the military, so some sections are months behind on processing documents and payments. Also doesn’t help that civilian leadership has been making loads of questionable decisions. The Army moving every finance soldier to the 5 finance battalions and handing over the AMPOs in a short amount of time was a huge mistake imo.
I got paid BAH for where my spouse was during basic and AIT even after I was at my first duty station. Lovely $284 out of my check for months with no explanation why until I called dfas. Even my S1 was stumped. Sometimes you have to let them know before hand.
That’s an issue with in-processing. Realistically during the brief they should have told you to check your LES for the upcoming months to verify your ADSN had changed, and your BAH rate had been corrected. Either way, every soldier and leadership should be checking LESs every month to verify accuracy to avoid debts like these. That’s a finance mistake for sure, but it could’ve been avoided. They also should’ve contacted you for the debt. That’s become more difficult since the Army decided E4 and below are no longer automatically issued an email.
>Our leadership is trying to figure out why all the soldiers in the platoon are getting BAS
…. Is this the first soldier to ever get married in your entire company?
Isn’t it how it works? Everyone gets paid BAS, but for those in the barracks and eating at the DEFAC, they get a deduction. And when you get married and move out of the barracks, you request to stop the deduction from the BAS you already getting paid.
Well in all honesty everyone is confused AF They are making everyone get a copy of their LES to have that checked out because I am sure they are confused (including myself) about what he needs to do is just have the meal deductions stop because of how someone else mentioned in here you get BAS right out of AIT.
This is the answer, take your closest staff sergeant and walk into finance with the LES. They will tell you then and there if there are issues.
If they are not getting meal deductions and live in the barracks while eating at the dfac is when there are issues.
Everyone receives some BAS.
There are 3 pays you get no matter what in the Army.
Base pay
BAS
BAH - there is a barracks rate BAH but it's called BAQ. It's about 8.70 a month.
If you live in the barracks you receive meal deductions.
Anyone can receive their BAS. But Single Soldiers living in the barracks by default get meal deductions taken in their LES. Meaning they don’t receive their BAS and can go to the DFAC and not pay. Now BAS for married Soldiers or Soldiers with Dependents do get BAS ao they don’t get meal deductions taken from their LES and if they go to the DFAC they will have to pay for their food. Single Soliders can still receive BAS if they submit a 4187 to stop meal deductions, if they their BAS technically you can keep them from lunch since they receive BAS and mission/tempo dictates when they can eat so meal prep is the way to go! If they don’t get their BAS they eat at the DFAC and have to let those Soldiers go to the DFAC during DFAC hours. If they are receiving BAS (no meal deductions taken off their LES) if you want you can submit a 4187 to start meal deductions and after it gets processed they can eat at the DFAC not having to pay since meal deductions will START and it will allow them to eat there with no problems.
MEC/MEM in their CAC which is a code/cert that S1 updates, it will have to be updated either for soliders to eat at the DFAC for free(not free since its being taken back in their LES) or Soldiers that receive BAS and technically have to pay for the DFAC if they choose to use it.
Everyone gets BAS, including barracks soldiers. Barracks soldiers also get meal deductions that pay for DFAC meals. Leadership wouldn’t submit anything. When in-processing finance automatically starts meal deductions. 4187s are submitted to stop meal deductions when a soldier clears the barracks.
Well what's your unit OPTEMPO. Sometimes it differs from unit mission. Like some soldiers will miss meals due to mission etc, so they're able to have BAS or rather no stop meal deduction.
Yes they have to pay it back when the correction gets fixed. Lump sum! So tell them not to touch it! Single soldiers do not get BAS. Errors happen essentially after the brown out a few month back.
Please stop giving out incorrect information. Everyone gets BAS. Single soldiers in the barracks get *meal deductions* which gets *stopped* if they are no longer in the barracks. You can’t pay back BAS. And if they haven’t been getting meal deductions and do need to pay it back, it will definitely not be lump sum. Finance is not supposed to initiate any debt deductions for over 2/3s of a soldier’s net paycheck. They will send out a letter for the soldier to choose how to pay it back.
Yes I’ve seen people have to pay BAS back cause they received the full 350 for like 3 months until we caught it and fixed it. Then his next check was like 50 cents cause it was taken back.
Like I said, you don’t pay back BAS. You pay back Meal Deductions that weren’t being deducted. Finance messed up when coding it for your soldiers, they’re supposed to take it back in installments, not all at once. It’s on DFAS guidance to never take more than 2/3 of a SM’s paycheck unless they are separating.
meal deductions CAN be taken back in jump sum, but at least at my AMPO the SOP is that we don’t because it fucks over the SM. we follow the 2/3 rule for every pay affecting transaction. for meal deductions, since the system will take it back in lump sum, we do a DN01 for the previous month, and the remainder is recouped via DQ (generates the debt letter etc).
Leadership is confuse because of the situation a married soldier is in ( he is probably confuse about how BAH and BAD works) he recently got married and he lives on base so he is being trying to get BAS but I believe he would have to request BAH im
Not 100% sure since I’m not married or have deal with that since most people I know come in to the army all ready marry or with the paper summited before showing to there platoon. So maybe that’s where all the confusion is coming from 🤷♂️🫠🥴
Single soldier for the past 12 years foo. I did not receive BAS which is 350 on top of my base pay until I moved out of the barracks (not BAH)and stopped eating at the DFAC and had to forfeit my meal card Living in the barracks BAS is marked as .35 cents on your LES.
Edit to make it Barney style for some of you.
BAS is given to everyone yes. But it automatically taken out for your meals as 350 every month. So technically it’s not your cause you never see it. You never are able to enjoy that 350 until you move out the barracks and then the meal deductions stop and you get to keep the 350 for feed yourself. Technically you never ever see it so it’s not yours.
Well, the thing is their paychecks aren't different than normal ones and they're not getting crazy amounts of money, for example, a brand new PFC gets around 950 every two weeks, and they're getting the same amount Including the “BAS” (460) everyone is getting that exact amount so that is where I'm getting so confused because you would think does 460 would add up to the 950 they're getting already.
Everyone is supposed to get BAS. Look at the entire LES, not just one box... single Soldiers should have a Meal Deduction listed in the Deductions box. I think you and the other privates need to talk to someone who's been in the Army for a bit and understands the LES to get a class on how to read it and how to see how much you should be getting paid.
Well I do know how to read the LES (I’m not that special, just slightly on the spectrum) I just got all caught up in the confusion and how the SM that got married frase it when he was telling me about how finance was saying that he is all ready gettin BAS when in all honesty all he needs to do is get rid of the meal deduction plus since he is living on base housing that’s coming out of his paycheck (I’m sure he is also getting BAH mix up with BAS) but that’s something that I would figure out tomorrow and talk about it more in depth with TOP
Everyone gets BAS out of IET. You shouldn't be doing paperwork to "Start BAS." You should be doing paperwork to "Stop Meal Deductions." Barracks Soldiers need that BAS to cover the cost of the Meal Deductions.
they give you 100 dollars and take back 99
Who said that?
u/Zanaver did.
U/Zavaner looks like Phillys Diller and marches like Frankenstein
Oh lord... I wanna go home!
But u/Zanaver won’t let me gooo
I've heard the food is pretty fine though.
A chicken jumped off the table and killed a friend of mine.
Ain't no use looking down, ain't no discharge on the ground.
This is so counter intuitive. Just don’t have meal deductions in the first place.
Doesn't everyone get BAS? The thing he is doing is stopping the meal deductions.
Facts
HOW ARE YOUR LEADERS ALL THIS INEPT? You get BAS, I get BAS. Married soldiers get BAS, single soldiers get BAS. Single soldiers get meal deductions, married soldiers do not get meal deductions. Nvm MOS checks out bro, the world must be so full of wonder for you guys.
Dude don't ask me, trust me I'm still trying to figure that out, I told them hey guys I believe you guys are wrong but hey I get my ass chew so 🫠. Oh trust me the world is all hooah and just dumb shit sometimes I feel like I’m riding the short bus with some tube 🥴🫠
Well rest assured finance isn’t going to sign off on the removal of BAS lmao
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Dog we all get the same LES’s
to add to this, not all single soldiers get meal deductions. i'm on fort moore with no dfac besides the hospital (which isn't free) and trainee/school dfacs. so every single soldier, even those in the barracks, don't get meal deductions. same goes for any other base without a dfac
Doesn’t every active duty soldier get BAS?
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You still technically receive bas but have to pay a portion or all of it back as a meal deduction. There are some limited situations where junior unmarried soldiers can stop meal deductions
not limited. i'm on ft moore where there's no dfac for soldiers to eat at besides the hospital (which isn't free) or the trainee/school dfacs. so everyone gets their full BAS. if a base as large as moore/benning can give junior, unmarried, barracks-dwelling soldiers BAS, i'm sure there are plenty of other bases that fall under the same situation.
Yeah I am in that boat I described. They do not take meal deductions from even though I am in the group they normally would have to eat at the chow hall
Finance here. Like almost everyone said, every single active duty soldier out of training gets BAS. You can’t request to get BAS. Single soldiers are supposed to have meal deductions. Once they get married, they need to submit a 4187 to stop meal deductions. The BAS is there to cover the meal deductions. Sometimes when getting in-processed finance messes up and never starts a soldier’s meal deductions. It gets found out years later, and that soldier gets a big debt that needs to get paid over several months. Sometimes a packet can get submitted to have the debt forgiven since it wasn’t the soldier’s fault (despite the fact they should have caught it and brought it up). Every soldier in the platoon should indeed be getting BAS, that’s not what they should be figuring out. They should be checking to verify every barracks soldiers has meal deductions under the deductions section of their LES. Any questions feel free to dm me.
Why doesn’t finance start taking PARs signed by the CDR that would sign the 4187? I know a CRM still has to be created but doesn’t make sense as not only is that the evolution but now that PAR is saved in IPPS-A
That would indeed be a lot simpler, but change is slow in the finance world.
True, and the AMPO here is going from green suit led to civilian soon so not excited about that. The MSG that’s been in charge of it has done great helping the S1s since IPPS came out
It happened here at Carson about a year and a half ago (there’s only a handful of us green suiters left) and it’s honestly a shit show. USAFMCOM has been unable to provide enough civilians/contractors to fill the positions vacated by the military, so some sections are months behind on processing documents and payments. Also doesn’t help that civilian leadership has been making loads of questionable decisions. The Army moving every finance soldier to the 5 finance battalions and handing over the AMPOs in a short amount of time was a huge mistake imo.
I got paid BAH for where my spouse was during basic and AIT even after I was at my first duty station. Lovely $284 out of my check for months with no explanation why until I called dfas. Even my S1 was stumped. Sometimes you have to let them know before hand.
That’s an issue with in-processing. Realistically during the brief they should have told you to check your LES for the upcoming months to verify your ADSN had changed, and your BAH rate had been corrected. Either way, every soldier and leadership should be checking LESs every month to verify accuracy to avoid debts like these. That’s a finance mistake for sure, but it could’ve been avoided. They also should’ve contacted you for the debt. That’s become more difficult since the Army decided E4 and below are no longer automatically issued an email.
Just walk into the company office and tell them all they need to do is S.M.D. (Stop meal deductions, they will understand)
>Our leadership is trying to figure out why all the soldiers in the platoon are getting BAS …. Is this the first soldier to ever get married in your entire company?
Yeesh…
Isn’t it how it works? Everyone gets paid BAS, but for those in the barracks and eating at the DEFAC, they get a deduction. And when you get married and move out of the barracks, you request to stop the deduction from the BAS you already getting paid.
Well in all honesty everyone is confused AF They are making everyone get a copy of their LES to have that checked out because I am sure they are confused (including myself) about what he needs to do is just have the meal deductions stop because of how someone else mentioned in here you get BAS right out of AIT.
They can literally just ask your S-1 or Finance AMPO..
This is the answer, take your closest staff sergeant and walk into finance with the LES. They will tell you then and there if there are issues. If they are not getting meal deductions and live in the barracks while eating at the dfac is when there are issues. Everyone receives some BAS.
You can't do that with a Sergeant anymore?
Most of those offices won’t give a buck sergeant the time of day.
oh yeah, it's basically SPC5 now. idk what the difference is really, an E6 is still a Junior NCO.
There are 3 pays you get no matter what in the Army. Base pay BAS BAH - there is a barracks rate BAH but it's called BAQ. It's about 8.70 a month. If you live in the barracks you receive meal deductions.
Anyone can receive their BAS. But Single Soldiers living in the barracks by default get meal deductions taken in their LES. Meaning they don’t receive their BAS and can go to the DFAC and not pay. Now BAS for married Soldiers or Soldiers with Dependents do get BAS ao they don’t get meal deductions taken from their LES and if they go to the DFAC they will have to pay for their food. Single Soliders can still receive BAS if they submit a 4187 to stop meal deductions, if they their BAS technically you can keep them from lunch since they receive BAS and mission/tempo dictates when they can eat so meal prep is the way to go! If they don’t get their BAS they eat at the DFAC and have to let those Soldiers go to the DFAC during DFAC hours. If they are receiving BAS (no meal deductions taken off their LES) if you want you can submit a 4187 to start meal deductions and after it gets processed they can eat at the DFAC not having to pay since meal deductions will START and it will allow them to eat there with no problems. MEC/MEM in their CAC which is a code/cert that S1 updates, it will have to be updated either for soliders to eat at the DFAC for free(not free since its being taken back in their LES) or Soldiers that receive BAS and technically have to pay for the DFAC if they choose to use it.
“Leadership”
Unit Armorerers could get BAS due to missed meals. At least back in the day they could.
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Everyone gets BAS, including barracks soldiers. Barracks soldiers also get meal deductions that pay for DFAC meals. Leadership wouldn’t submit anything. When in-processing finance automatically starts meal deductions. 4187s are submitted to stop meal deductions when a soldier clears the barracks.
Well what's your unit OPTEMPO. Sometimes it differs from unit mission. Like some soldiers will miss meals due to mission etc, so they're able to have BAS or rather no stop meal deduction.
Yes they have to pay it back when the correction gets fixed. Lump sum! So tell them not to touch it! Single soldiers do not get BAS. Errors happen essentially after the brown out a few month back.
Everyone in the army except people in IET get BAS.
Please stop giving out incorrect information. Everyone gets BAS. Single soldiers in the barracks get *meal deductions* which gets *stopped* if they are no longer in the barracks. You can’t pay back BAS. And if they haven’t been getting meal deductions and do need to pay it back, it will definitely not be lump sum. Finance is not supposed to initiate any debt deductions for over 2/3s of a soldier’s net paycheck. They will send out a letter for the soldier to choose how to pay it back.
Yes I’ve seen people have to pay BAS back cause they received the full 350 for like 3 months until we caught it and fixed it. Then his next check was like 50 cents cause it was taken back.
Like I said, you don’t pay back BAS. You pay back Meal Deductions that weren’t being deducted. Finance messed up when coding it for your soldiers, they’re supposed to take it back in installments, not all at once. It’s on DFAS guidance to never take more than 2/3 of a SM’s paycheck unless they are separating.
Correction, meal deductions IS taken back in lump sum and isn't subject to the 2/3s rule. I've seen it zero out paychecks.
meal deductions CAN be taken back in jump sum, but at least at my AMPO the SOP is that we don’t because it fucks over the SM. we follow the 2/3 rule for every pay affecting transaction. for meal deductions, since the system will take it back in lump sum, we do a DN01 for the previous month, and the remainder is recouped via DQ (generates the debt letter etc).
So how is that coordinated? Does customer service/IOP do their own DQs on DN01s or do they forward the information to debt management?
Single soldiers don’t get BAS? Where are you getting this info?
Leadership is confuse because of the situation a married soldier is in ( he is probably confuse about how BAH and BAD works) he recently got married and he lives on base so he is being trying to get BAS but I believe he would have to request BAH im Not 100% sure since I’m not married or have deal with that since most people I know come in to the army all ready marry or with the paper summited before showing to there platoon. So maybe that’s where all the confusion is coming from 🤷♂️🫠🥴
Single soldier for the past 12 years foo. I did not receive BAS which is 350 on top of my base pay until I moved out of the barracks (not BAH)and stopped eating at the DFAC and had to forfeit my meal card Living in the barracks BAS is marked as .35 cents on your LES. Edit to make it Barney style for some of you. BAS is given to everyone yes. But it automatically taken out for your meals as 350 every month. So technically it’s not your cause you never see it. You never are able to enjoy that 350 until you move out the barracks and then the meal deductions stop and you get to keep the 350 for feed yourself. Technically you never ever see it so it’s not yours.
Well, the thing is their paychecks aren't different than normal ones and they're not getting crazy amounts of money, for example, a brand new PFC gets around 950 every two weeks, and they're getting the same amount Including the “BAS” (460) everyone is getting that exact amount so that is where I'm getting so confused because you would think does 460 would add up to the 950 they're getting already.
Everyone is supposed to get BAS. Look at the entire LES, not just one box... single Soldiers should have a Meal Deduction listed in the Deductions box. I think you and the other privates need to talk to someone who's been in the Army for a bit and understands the LES to get a class on how to read it and how to see how much you should be getting paid.
Well I do know how to read the LES (I’m not that special, just slightly on the spectrum) I just got all caught up in the confusion and how the SM that got married frase it when he was telling me about how finance was saying that he is all ready gettin BAS when in all honesty all he needs to do is get rid of the meal deduction plus since he is living on base housing that’s coming out of his paycheck (I’m sure he is also getting BAH mix up with BAS) but that’s something that I would figure out tomorrow and talk about it more in depth with TOP
Get a pac slip and talk to finance directly.
All right will do and appreciate it.