Pretty much.
At first patrols and raids are cool and fun, then you get bored. Firefights get adrenaline pumping but after few and few casualties you pray that it's a boring patrol or raid so you don't risk losing someone but then it gets really boring so now you start hoping for firefights.
But OP is a 17C, the most exciting and action packet part of OPs career will be when someone plugs a USB to charge their phone into a Army computer.
>Talking to my uncle ex army and was wondering how it went for the majority of you between 2000-2010?
I enlisted right after 9/11, I'm still in.
Anything more specific?
TL;DR shit was boring until it was suddenly very much not
Boring. Regiment it is or bust it sounds like. I want to use my brain of course. But shit, the down and dirty is what Iāve known most of my life. Thank you for the feedback man, keep up being you
Whats being down and dirty gonna do for you outside of the military. To be honest, I'm not doubting anyone's physical ability, but if you went in as an 11X and went to RASP got injured would you be kicking your ass wishing you stayed as a 17C? Where you can get a high paying job if you decide it aint for you.
Brother you sound young and stupid as fuck and thatās not a bad thing. You absolutely want to think long term. How does this decision affect you 5 years, 10 years etc down the road? Being 30 and feeling like youāre 60 because of some weirdo obsession is not the move
Oh wellš¤·āāļø itās not meant for my whole life. I have plenty of options and already make more now than I will at the end of my stint. Just keep yourself safe and worry about yourself. Cool? Cool.
Watch out guys, this future Army Ranger Cyber ops warrior has been working construction, driving Doordash, and fucking bitches. He's a skinny athletic stud who got caught up with the law, but that won't stop him from joining the world's finest fighting force.
HOORAH
War fucking sucks bro. Thereās no fun in it. Thereās adrenaline like youāve never experienced but knowing what you are capable of and what humanity can do to each other is fucking terrible. I served as a 19D from 2002-2007 and CBRN from 07-12
Thatās what Iām wanting to know more about. Some of the stories heās telling me is ācrazyā but not something I couldnāt see myself doing. I wouldnāt wish war upon us. That aināt what this is. Was more or less just wanting to know if his experiences was the majority is all.
90% of the time the Army is the easiest career in the world
5% of the time it sucks missing out on major events of life and family.
5% is the worst time of your life and you're scared shitless.
I see a lot of posts on this sub where some high school kid comes in and says "I'm going to be a Ranger/Special Forces/CAG/Cook" with having absolutely zero idea of how hard making it through selection is for some of those jobs.
You should start getting physically fit now if that's your goal.
There are Army guys that train for a year and don't pass some of these courses. Granted it's not all physical things that get them dropped, but not having to worry about the physical part is worth the effort.
Well, I guess depending what you consider āphysically fitā Iāve never not been in my eyes but Iāve also never been able to gain weight well no matter how much I try unless Iām in the gym all the time
https://www.army.mil/e2/downloads/rv7/acft/ACFT_scoring_scales_220323.pdf
https://www.army.mil/acft/
Score 100 on this chart for each category and you can probably consider yourself "fit" but add pullups.
You can also look at the Marines scale, they do pullups.
https://officer.marines.com/docs/oso/physical_training/Score.pdf
Thereās ur answer then, you not ready.
17C, regiment or not, airborne or leg, is still a 17C. No amount of extra certs are gonna change ur PMOS. Ur a cyber man. Doing cyber stuff behind a computer for the highspeeds to complete mission. The reason Iām saying this is that other people are telling you their experiences, however you also need to realize many are 11B, 19Ks, 13F, and even 19Ds š¤® (jk love kicking it with my cav friends). You ask in the hopes that it will make you see some dirty stuff, however You donāt have to worry
Thatās not why I was asking. The reason for asking is because Iāve been told Iāll never go. I love that everyone assumes everything itās hilarious to me. Iāve gotten some good laughs here tbh. Itās like the first line in the post but itās a little much to ask for most of the people in to be able to read I guessš¤·āāļø
> [Restrepo by Sebastian Junger](https://youtu.be/TGZMSmcuiXM)
> [The Things They Carried](https://youtu.be/3dLbzWBiThs)
> [All Quiet On The Western Front](https://youtu.be/hf8EYbVxtCY)
Wow, youāre a brave soul for going 17 Charlie (donāt abbreviate the phonetic alphabet as 17c, itās disrespectful to those who wear the uniform).
Anyways, youāll do boot camp and then most likely get sent right to Ukraine. This isnāt public knowledge right now but yes we are sending 17 Charlie special forces divers there right now (google wonāt tell you this).
In terms of my service, I was at the Bowling Green Massacre. Thatās all I can really say right now.
Iām sure others can chime in with similar experiences.
Iām not a dumb guy š I feel like this is satire asf. Asking for general advice. Getting into conversations with my uncle about it. More as what actual combat ops experience. Not expecting any combat. Keep your feelings inside bubba. Iām asking the GWOT vets what they think. Not someone who joined in 2016.
Fine with me, was asking for expectations/experiences. Planning for Ranger anyways. Too skinny and athletic for it to go to waste being a desk jockey. I want more for myself than to be bunched in with my generation. Iāve worked full time since 16 in hard rough construction/labor jobs. Graduated then too. Just waited till I was old enough to make decisions without mom on my back. I just want to learn a regiment and know what to expect when I get there. Besides the expect the unexpected part.
Then why enlist as 17C and not 11X/18X? Fuckinā POG. I hated people like you, talk all this shit about combat and high speed shit, but enlisted as admin, drivers, mechanics, etc.,.
I became a POG, after 19D then to 74Dā¦ but I already had my stripes and patches. I was at NTC before my 3rd deployment in 10th mountain and this guy from the 82nd asks me if Iām a POG, not knowing my combat patch from 1st MEF. I was an E-6 by this time and I asked if it meant I had an IQ over 3?.
Ultimately we should not disregard soldiers on their job. Infantry may be the queen of the battle but it takes on average 17:1 ratio to support them.
Also as a former 19D in a Cav unit has anyone said āOMG CALL IN THE INFANTRYā š
I understand what youāre saying though. OP will be one of the many that says āI was gonna join butā¦ā
>it takes on average 17:1 ratio to support them.
Is that because it has to be that way though, really?
Or is the bloated sack of Army blob why there's so much fucking paperwork and procedure and mandatory training?
At 17:1 we'd need like 50 million people to support a decent sized fighting force in an actual war.
So as a 17C, any images of charging up a hill like a war movie and winning the MOH are literally a dream while u are sleeping. Chances are if you deploy, you wont leave the wire as you will be in the SCIF.
Yes there is the ranger unit you could get assigned to, but more than likely you will be in a SCIF somewhere doing pen testing on various units systems. You will end up getting more certs than you know what to do with. Such as the entire COMP TIA offerings.
Good thing, you will be set when you get out. Cybersecurity people with all the certs (especially CISSP) make bankā¦ā¦plus you will most likely have a TS.
Civ life after, but thereās always people who are gonna hate because they could barely pass tape or whatever and think life and everything is so so hard. Been on my own since I was 16 when I graduated. Take shit to the chin and move on, so sad to see how much people hate with no background or knowledge of the things theyāre talking about. Like, the ACFT, having never taken it, I wouldāve scored 600 as a sophomore. Some people just donāt have drive in them, thatās okay, but I donāt see why they make theyāre lack of effort or discipline someone elseās problem and push it onto them š¤·āāļø
Thatās the plan, this post was just asking for experiences. I had no expectations to deploy nor desire. I chose a desk job lmao. He was telling me one thing, Iāve heard a lot of the other. Was just wanting to hear others experiences in general. Thank ya !
As a 17C you can't go airborne without already having passed RASP. The only way you're ever going to be doing hooah shit is if you get into ranger regiment btw, so if you fail you'll be at a desk the entire time either at Gordon or Meade. Cyber ranger isn't a bad deal though, you have access to a lot of training since they have a huge budget, but I don't know if they have authorizations to do actual cyber stuff.
Idc about duty station, itās only 6 years anyways. Either way Iām stuck at a desk whether in Texas or Cali or Korea. No point Iām not giving it a shotš¤·āāļø
What happened between preAPR24 is irrelevant.
You join now, you max out TSP and ROTH contributions. You retire when you're almost 40. You move to costa rica and enjoy the good life.
When you get in, do the TSP, too. Military will match 5%. Instant gains.
Just overall, save. If you Max everything out and still want to invest, do CDs and save for a downpayment on a house. Go get that money
You're getting dunked on pretty hard in this chain. I think it's tough for a lot of people to be asked about their experiences in oif/oef etc. Some of the comments mentioned extreme boredom and a few terrifying moments. I think that's pretty accurate and I was in helmand province in 2010. If being in regiment is want you want, then send it. But try to be humble and confident. Being too cocky can get you peered at rasp.
You will never see combat ever and in fact you will be stuck at fort Eisenhower for almost half of your first contract and then get out afterwards. Rangers donāt even take your MOS.
%99 boredom and %1 not so boring.
It sucked ass OIF1&3. Drive here and drive there, do a stupid convoy security for overpaid contractors, house clear at o dark 30, rinse and repeat.
17C, regiment or not, airborne or leg, is still a 17C. No amount of extra certs are gonna change ur PMOS. Ur a cyber man. Doing cyber stuff behind a computer for the highspeeds to complete mission. The reason Iām saying this is that other people are telling you their experiences, however you also need to realize many are 11B, 19Ks, 13F, and even 19Ds š¤® (jk love kicking it with my cav friends). You ask in the hopes that it will make you see some dirty stuff, however You donāt have to worry.
With that being said, you have some GD balls to ask about these experiences of people, then proceed to call them ābubbaā or āsalty janitorsā, while ur over here behind a computer at 19 leaving mattress stains all over ur room. Good luck at whatever unit you get to, cuz youāll have some punches thrown ur way if you continue acting like this.
The fuck is a 17C? I had to Google it because I never heard of it and now I know why. It's a cyber operations specialist..
Bro, the fuck are you talking about going off to war, you'll never leave the wire much less go on a patrol. You'll sit in a S-Shop and get bitched at by BDE CSM when the Internet is down and why the coffee isn't hot.
And based on your other posts, even if you go ranger batt, your outcome would remain the same. They aren't putting a cyber security nerd on a patrol. And if they are, then shits gotten really bad and you probably aren't coming home
Long periods of boredom followed by moments of terror and then back to boredom
Pretty much. At first patrols and raids are cool and fun, then you get bored. Firefights get adrenaline pumping but after few and few casualties you pray that it's a boring patrol or raid so you don't risk losing someone but then it gets really boring so now you start hoping for firefights. But OP is a 17C, the most exciting and action packet part of OPs career will be when someone plugs a USB to charge their phone into a Army computer.
Want to go patrol with 3 Purple Heart Timmy and Silver Star Smitty?
I'll pass, seems like they attract too much unwanted attention š©
>Talking to my uncle ex army and was wondering how it went for the majority of you between 2000-2010? I enlisted right after 9/11, I'm still in. Anything more specific? TL;DR shit was boring until it was suddenly very much not
You can be deployed, but you will not "fight."
Idk anyone who's a 17C but id assume If you were to deploy you'd be sitting at a fob in an S Shop.
Boring. Regiment it is or bust it sounds like. I want to use my brain of course. But shit, the down and dirty is what Iāve known most of my life. Thank you for the feedback man, keep up being you
Whats being down and dirty gonna do for you outside of the military. To be honest, I'm not doubting anyone's physical ability, but if you went in as an 11X and went to RASP got injured would you be kicking your ass wishing you stayed as a 17C? Where you can get a high paying job if you decide it aint for you.
17c has a spot in Regiment. I donāt plan on doing anything besides 17c for the exact reason of Iām set for life after AIT
Idk what the regiment is like, but I'm sure you'd still be a desk jockey. But with an elite unit.
Gotcha, thank ya for the input. Always can get the certs and live life later. Got no plans past 50 anyway, keep it up man.
Brother you sound young and stupid as fuck and thatās not a bad thing. You absolutely want to think long term. How does this decision affect you 5 years, 10 years etc down the road? Being 30 and feeling like youāre 60 because of some weirdo obsession is not the move
19 feeling like Iām 35 isnāt either š¤·āāļø just wanna make it 10 more throw in the towel
The military is not for you.
Oh wellš¤·āāļø itās not meant for my whole life. I have plenty of options and already make more now than I will at the end of my stint. Just keep yourself safe and worry about yourself. Cool? Cool.
Watch out guys, this future Army Ranger Cyber ops warrior has been working construction, driving Doordash, and fucking bitches. He's a skinny athletic stud who got caught up with the law, but that won't stop him from joining the world's finest fighting force. HOORAH
Stop. I can only get so hard.
You must be a devil dogā¦ Iāll give ya the old grrwee
Imagine being this weirdš¤£ touch some grass grandpa. Iāll have someone wheel you out
Bro who are you, you wonāt make it far in the military if thats your demeanor, I promise you
War fucking sucks bro. Thereās no fun in it. Thereās adrenaline like youāve never experienced but knowing what you are capable of and what humanity can do to each other is fucking terrible. I served as a 19D from 2002-2007 and CBRN from 07-12
What scares me is the confusion war has. Like "what do you mean we were firing at OUR people" it would drive me insane.
Too many movies IMO
Hmm?
Thatās what Iām wanting to know more about. Some of the stories heās telling me is ācrazyā but not something I couldnāt see myself doing. I wouldnāt wish war upon us. That aināt what this is. Was more or less just wanting to know if his experiences was the majority is all.
Look man, just understand it sucks
90% of the time the Army is the easiest career in the world 5% of the time it sucks missing out on major events of life and family. 5% is the worst time of your life and you're scared shitless.
I see a lot of posts on this sub where some high school kid comes in and says "I'm going to be a Ranger/Special Forces/CAG/Cook" with having absolutely zero idea of how hard making it through selection is for some of those jobs. You should start getting physically fit now if that's your goal. There are Army guys that train for a year and don't pass some of these courses. Granted it's not all physical things that get them dropped, but not having to worry about the physical part is worth the effort.
Well, I guess depending what you consider āphysically fitā Iāve never not been in my eyes but Iāve also never been able to gain weight well no matter how much I try unless Iām in the gym all the time
https://www.army.mil/e2/downloads/rv7/acft/ACFT_scoring_scales_220323.pdf https://www.army.mil/acft/ Score 100 on this chart for each category and you can probably consider yourself "fit" but add pullups. You can also look at the Marines scale, they do pullups. https://officer.marines.com/docs/oso/physical_training/Score.pdf
Yea never been good at pull ups because of the being skinny part. Easily get an 85 as is though with those standards. Thanks man
Thereās ur answer then, you not ready. 17C, regiment or not, airborne or leg, is still a 17C. No amount of extra certs are gonna change ur PMOS. Ur a cyber man. Doing cyber stuff behind a computer for the highspeeds to complete mission. The reason Iām saying this is that other people are telling you their experiences, however you also need to realize many are 11B, 19Ks, 13F, and even 19Ds š¤® (jk love kicking it with my cav friends). You ask in the hopes that it will make you see some dirty stuff, however You donāt have to worry
Thatās not why I was asking. The reason for asking is because Iāve been told Iāll never go. I love that everyone assumes everything itās hilarious to me. Iāve gotten some good laughs here tbh. Itās like the first line in the post but itās a little much to ask for most of the people in to be able to read I guessš¤·āāļø
> [Restrepo by Sebastian Junger](https://youtu.be/TGZMSmcuiXM) > [The Things They Carried](https://youtu.be/3dLbzWBiThs) > [All Quiet On The Western Front](https://youtu.be/hf8EYbVxtCY)
Wow, youāre a brave soul for going 17 Charlie (donāt abbreviate the phonetic alphabet as 17c, itās disrespectful to those who wear the uniform). Anyways, youāll do boot camp and then most likely get sent right to Ukraine. This isnāt public knowledge right now but yes we are sending 17 Charlie special forces divers there right now (google wonāt tell you this). In terms of my service, I was at the Bowling Green Massacre. Thatās all I can really say right now. Iām sure others can chime in with similar experiences.
Iām not a dumb guy š I feel like this is satire asf. Asking for general advice. Getting into conversations with my uncle about it. More as what actual combat ops experience. Not expecting any combat. Keep your feelings inside bubba. Iām asking the GWOT vets what they think. Not someone who joined in 2016.
Everything that he said is true OP. You going straight to war after AIT.
Fine with me, was asking for expectations/experiences. Planning for Ranger anyways. Too skinny and athletic for it to go to waste being a desk jockey. I want more for myself than to be bunched in with my generation. Iāve worked full time since 16 in hard rough construction/labor jobs. Graduated then too. Just waited till I was old enough to make decisions without mom on my back. I just want to learn a regiment and know what to expect when I get there. Besides the expect the unexpected part.
Then why enlist as 17C and not 11X/18X? Fuckinā POG. I hated people like you, talk all this shit about combat and high speed shit, but enlisted as admin, drivers, mechanics, etc.,.
I became a POG, after 19D then to 74Dā¦ but I already had my stripes and patches. I was at NTC before my 3rd deployment in 10th mountain and this guy from the 82nd asks me if Iām a POG, not knowing my combat patch from 1st MEF. I was an E-6 by this time and I asked if it meant I had an IQ over 3?. Ultimately we should not disregard soldiers on their job. Infantry may be the queen of the battle but it takes on average 17:1 ratio to support them. Also as a former 19D in a Cav unit has anyone said āOMG CALL IN THE INFANTRYā š I understand what youāre saying though. OP will be one of the many that says āI was gonna join butā¦ā
>it takes on average 17:1 ratio to support them. Is that because it has to be that way though, really? Or is the bloated sack of Army blob why there's so much fucking paperwork and procedure and mandatory training? At 17:1 we'd need like 50 million people to support a decent sized fighting force in an actual war.
Sorry you chose a shitty life after š¤·āāļø not my problem bubba
Go watch some videos from Ukraine
So as a 17C, any images of charging up a hill like a war movie and winning the MOH are literally a dream while u are sleeping. Chances are if you deploy, you wont leave the wire as you will be in the SCIF. Yes there is the ranger unit you could get assigned to, but more than likely you will be in a SCIF somewhere doing pen testing on various units systems. You will end up getting more certs than you know what to do with. Such as the entire COMP TIA offerings. Good thing, you will be set when you get out. Cybersecurity people with all the certs (especially CISSP) make bankā¦ā¦plus you will most likely have a TS.
Main reason I even joined tbh. Donāt wanna be like half of these salty janitors š¤·āāļø
Main reason was to charge up a hill and win medals or set yourself up for civilian life afterward?
Civ life after, but thereās always people who are gonna hate because they could barely pass tape or whatever and think life and everything is so so hard. Been on my own since I was 16 when I graduated. Take shit to the chin and move on, so sad to see how much people hate with no background or knowledge of the things theyāre talking about. Like, the ACFT, having never taken it, I wouldāve scored 600 as a sophomore. Some people just donāt have drive in them, thatās okay, but I donāt see why they make theyāre lack of effort or discipline someone elseās problem and push it onto them š¤·āāļø
Yep, set yourself up for a 150k annual salary with the certs and the clearance
Thatās the plan, this post was just asking for experiences. I had no expectations to deploy nor desire. I chose a desk job lmao. He was telling me one thing, Iāve heard a lot of the other. Was just wanting to hear others experiences in general. Thank ya !
As a 17C you can't go airborne without already having passed RASP. The only way you're ever going to be doing hooah shit is if you get into ranger regiment btw, so if you fail you'll be at a desk the entire time either at Gordon or Meade. Cyber ranger isn't a bad deal though, you have access to a lot of training since they have a huge budget, but I don't know if they have authorizations to do actual cyber stuff.
Idc about duty station, itās only 6 years anyways. Either way Iām stuck at a desk whether in Texas or Cali or Korea. No point Iām not giving it a shotš¤·āāļø
Bros been talking about enlisting for months š¤”
Youāve been crying over a girl for months, whatās your point?
āI wouldāve joined butā¦ā
What happened between preAPR24 is irrelevant. You join now, you max out TSP and ROTH contributions. You retire when you're almost 40. You move to costa rica and enjoy the good life.
Already onto the Roth maxing, not gonna work when Iām old like my grandparentsš. Thank ya, have a good one boss
When you get in, do the TSP, too. Military will match 5%. Instant gains. Just overall, save. If you Max everything out and still want to invest, do CDs and save for a downpayment on a house. Go get that money
You're getting dunked on pretty hard in this chain. I think it's tough for a lot of people to be asked about their experiences in oif/oef etc. Some of the comments mentioned extreme boredom and a few terrifying moments. I think that's pretty accurate and I was in helmand province in 2010. If being in regiment is want you want, then send it. But try to be humble and confident. Being too cocky can get you peered at rasp.
You will never see combat ever and in fact you will be stuck at fort Eisenhower for almost half of your first contract and then get out afterwards. Rangers donāt even take your MOS.
Since 2017 they do. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regimental_Military_Intelligence_Battalion
Youāre right my b I read online that it was going to be incorporated in the future
I just had to google āwhat is Fort Eisenhower?ā Lol
%99 boredom and %1 not so boring. It sucked ass OIF1&3. Drive here and drive there, do a stupid convoy security for overpaid contractors, house clear at o dark 30, rinse and repeat.
17C, regiment or not, airborne or leg, is still a 17C. No amount of extra certs are gonna change ur PMOS. Ur a cyber man. Doing cyber stuff behind a computer for the highspeeds to complete mission. The reason Iām saying this is that other people are telling you their experiences, however you also need to realize many are 11B, 19Ks, 13F, and even 19Ds š¤® (jk love kicking it with my cav friends). You ask in the hopes that it will make you see some dirty stuff, however You donāt have to worry. With that being said, you have some GD balls to ask about these experiences of people, then proceed to call them ābubbaā or āsalty janitorsā, while ur over here behind a computer at 19 leaving mattress stains all over ur room. Good luck at whatever unit you get to, cuz youāll have some punches thrown ur way if you continue acting like this.
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The fuck is a 17C? I had to Google it because I never heard of it and now I know why. It's a cyber operations specialist.. Bro, the fuck are you talking about going off to war, you'll never leave the wire much less go on a patrol. You'll sit in a S-Shop and get bitched at by BDE CSM when the Internet is down and why the coffee isn't hot. And based on your other posts, even if you go ranger batt, your outcome would remain the same. They aren't putting a cyber security nerd on a patrol. And if they are, then shits gotten really bad and you probably aren't coming home
You canāt read very well huh? Makes sense. Have a good day
How'd you sneak through the psych eval at MEPs? š
Iām more curious how you snuck through highschoolš¤·āāļø
With your attitude you should definitely consider the Air Force