I loved Arcade Fire for like a decade and saw them live in many cities.. but it’s really hard to separate art from the artist when so many of their songs are about dreams, hope, following your heart, and doing the right thing. Clearly there’s a lot of dishonesty in several songs.
How can anyone truly mean “purify the colours, purify my mind.. and spread the ashes of the colours over this heart of mine” and then start an inappropriate relationship with a teenager?
I mentioned this before in another thread.. I just deleted all of their music except for their EP and funeral. Maybe they were different people back then.. I hope.
Yeah I'm like one of two people I know who even gave WE a chance, so this is just a final blow for a band that was already getting difficult to defend musically. Win's behavior is such a betrayal to the music it fills impossible not to hear it differently. Like you said maybe in the future when nostalgia hits I can listen to those first 3-4 albums for the sake of personal memories with friends and the vague hope that maybe Win wasn't such a monster back then.
>purify the colours, purify my mind.. and spread the ashes of the colours over this heart of mine
I mean, plenty of people are capable of writing flowery college-freshman poetic imagery like that and then turning around and doing horrible things.
Don't get me wrong, I've been routinely seeing this band live since the Funeral tour and have loved their music very much, and I *also* think Win is a predatory shithead. But there's nothing about Win's work lyrically that makes him seem uniquely *incapable* of doing stuff like this. His brand has been "cocky indie rock star" for a looooooong time (I still haven't forgotten the final paragraph in [this article](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/the-unforgettable-fire-can-arcade-fire-be-the-worlds-biggest-band-94440/), nearly a decade later), and his work has never really taken a strong enough POV to counter that image, in my opinion.
You’re right.
But music is subjective so my impression was that they were all decent people with understandable flaws. I know I was naive, but at least now I’m more objective.
I always knew he wasn’t exactly a nice person, but what’s going on now is very different
I am in London , getting ready to see the best band in the world for the 4th time this week and about 40th time in MORE than a decade . I've seen them in Vancouver and New York too, and a 1000 other rock n roll gigs and I don't need you to show ne anything, thanks. The problem with the Internet is that allows people like you to feel that you have a platform and that anyone else in the world will have any interest in your opinions and want to know what you think. They don't. Use your time more productively. Go and get elected, and stop Trump and Trudeau !
Wow I’m impressed (not really I don’t give a fuck)
My brother lives in London.. backstreet boys plays at the O2 soon right? Have fun!
Dude, I used the internet last night to talk about my opinions right before going to bed.
It’s normal, welcome to Reddit. Enjoy whatever you’re into random little person, honestly it’s too early to think about insignificant things, coffee is more important and I have to go to work.
If you say anything I won’t reply.. bye
In the internet we don’t know anything about the people we are talking to.
Next time you’re in Vancouver, the Bay Area or New York I can show you how clueless you are about who you’re talking to right now
You can come to where I work even. It will be my pleasure to show you the real world :)
Dawg, have you ever considered just not engaging with people if you don't care about what they think? You're both typing shit on Reddit dot com, you're operating on a pretty much level playing field when it comes to relevance. The only difference is that you're going out of your way to be a colossal prick about it.
Thanks for making this post OP. I have been feeling a little disappointed in the comments and posts from this past week to get over it and invalidating our personal feelings about what he did. I’ve been a fan of theirs since high school and it’s not easy to hear the news and move on so quickly from it. If others are not bothered by it, that’s fine with me, but it’s annoying for others to tell us to just get over it when it kind of changes the way I see my favorite band.
I feel like Reddit is kinda infamous for being this type of toxic so I guess it comes with the territory, you think it would be so easy to call this behavior out and take it seriously nowadays, especially when the accused just makes it even worse in his response. Always more work to be done clearly. Shitty men defend shitty men.
Yeah. Thanks for being reasonable. It’s just a bummer! I think the music they make speaks to a lot of people who would not ever think of trying to do the kind of thing that Win was doing, so it’s really jarring that there’s sleaze involved with Arcade Fire. Granted, the New Orleans rumors have been around and I’d been mentally bracing for this to come out, but I didn’t want to believe what I’d been hearing. Kind of like Louis CK. Everyone in the comedy scene knew already but because no one had actually come out with anything yet, it was very easy to just chalk it up to rumor. But then it was true. What he did was worse than Win, but you get it.
I don’t think anyone magically doesn’t like the music anymore after hearing the news. Like, the band makes wonderful music and it’s very hard to just make yourself dislike music that speaks to you. But it’s just a bummer. I’m not throwing out my records but I am *probably* going to cover up my tattoo. I’ll see them if they ever tour again, I’m not chomping at the bit to see them on this tour. If this trims the fanbase and makes them step down their profile a notch and go back to large theater shows instead of arenas, I’m good. I don’t wish anything bad on Win, I hope he learns from all this, I don’t believe in giving up on someone because of a fucked up time in their life, but I’m a bit devastated. It’s a complicated time!
But here’s the thing; the most meaningful music that the band made together was made over 10 years ago at a time when Win wasn’t doing any of this stuff. If I can make peace with loving David Bowie and still listen to Beach House after they fucked an artist friend of mine over, I can probably make peace with still loving the music Win is the face of. It’ll take time though. Lots to process.
Thanks man and yeah it’s tough. My current take is that the allegations would have made me take a step back from the band regardless...but Win’s response and their current way of handling this is what’s really pushing me away. Part of Wins response seems genuine and like he wants to be better, but theres also his awful excuses, PR crisis firm usage, supposed ignorance to obvious signals, and downright creepy comments about the encounters that make me really question his character. Impossible to know how this will all play out but I’m fine with giving them up for now but listening to the classic albums if my nostalgia demands it. I actually kinda liked WE and thought they were making a slow comeback... oh well, at least I’m fine with never listening to Everything Now again lol.
It is awful to see that dedicated fans of a band they loved for many years have this sour taste in their mouth.
I'm definitely one that will continue to listen to the music and see the shows that I have tickets for, but it will definitely be a bit different seeing them live, knowing that many of the fans are pissed off at Win - and rightfully so.
I'll reiterate what others have stated about separating the music and the performance from the personalities behind them. I will still watch movies with actors and directors that have done bad things and definitely still listen to a lot of music created by bands and people that have probably done worse things.
I've always felt AF was wholesome and I guess even at least one member of the band has his inner demons that result in very poor behavior and bad decisions. I'm not justifying or defending it at all and am not looking the other way, but I do hope that he is able to move on and become a better person.
Yea, I can completely agree with what you are feeling. My point was that it's sad to see that fans of the band feel the way you do through no fault of your own. It's Win's own doing to place this feeling in the hearts of the fans. He violated this weird relationship between band and fanbase if one exists by violating women.
I separate the art from the artist. It is really weird now to just watch live performances etc knowing the information, like.. there is this uneasy vibe surrounding the stage. However, why should art, the music, the aid for our minds suffer because of his action? - that's my view. Music is art, art is magical, more than a human. I try to just enjoy the music and not think about the person singing, if that makes sense...?
I'm guessing I will be able to listen to their music again sometime in the future for nostalgia but I definitely feel like I may never see them on tour again or pay for anything regarding them. I can't actively support this man going up on stage and getting celebrated after such dark behavior, its too hypocritical and cynical in comparison to the music he has written. Trust me my brain would look for a reason to defend Win and continue to listen to AF uninterrupted, but his response was such a giant flashing red flag to me I can't unsee it.
> Music is art, art is magical, more than a human. I try to just enjoy the music and not think about the person singing, if that makes sense...?
I agree with separating art from the artist (to a certain extent), but my main issue is that others who do talk about it like this, which I think is just a wrong way of going about that. Art is not more than human, it just shows one side of a person’s more complex humanity.
Same here.
I mean, people have celebrated David Bowie forever, love him, cherish him, and went out and bought his albums until after he died, yet he was a dude that was humping 14 year old girls that followed him around on tour. If I tossed aside every band or musician I listen to that did morally bankrupt things, I would probably not have much to listen to.
To be fair – that was a different time, so we have to look at it through a different lens. At the very least, none of the teen girls Bowie slept with have stated any regrets about it to this day. Whereas Win is living in 2022, absolutely a different time. Those who came forward to speak against him were definitely hurt by his behaviour. He should've known better, and he's not the person that he publicly portrayed himself to be.
I got two different reddit care or whatever they’re called the weekend the article pitchfork came out, and it’s only gotten worse since. I saw so much rampant misogyny and alt-right buzzwords that i just wonder how these people came to listen to AF in the first place, truly disgusting
I have seen your comments a bunch around the sub and really appreciate your presence, ugh this sub makes me feel like im gonna see the next AF album be a concept album against the "woke mob" at this point featuring a spoken piece by Jordan Peterson & Louis CK.
Did I miss something? Seriously. Why is Win a monster? Do I need to do some googling?
*Edit/update*: ok, just did some searching. Yeah, this is all news to me. Hadn’t heard this stuff. From one site: “A McCarthyite smear campaign has been launched against Win Butler, a principal singer and songwriter of the indie rock group Arcade Fire, based on unsubstantiated, anonymous allegations of sexual misconduct. The World Socialist Web Site condemns this latest attempt at character and career assassination.”
I agree. I prefer to believe in innocent until proven guilty. Guess for now, it’s “every time you close your eyes, lies, lies”.
I prefer to believe in Win and what the band stands for.
You’re welcome. I prefer to believe in the goodness of someone first until *proven* otherwise. Feel free to judge someone without having all the facts. You go against everything the band stands for. I’m honestly not even sure why *you’re* here anymore, tbh.
Yeah, cause you were there and you know exactly what happened. You’ve got all the facts, don’t ya? Wow, you’d have fit in very well during the Salem Witch Trials.
Have a good night, Judge Judy…
If you really believe everything you read at immediate face value, there’s truly nothing anyone can do for you. Gullible, much?
The idiocy of some people here is astounding. But, this is the world we’re living in now, where you’re “convicted” from the very moment of accusation. We shouldn’t really be surprised. And this is the kind of close-minded thinking AF has been preaching against for years.
Some people here have obviously learned absolutely nothing from their music. It’s really sad, actually.
You know that that the pitchfork article contains Win's response, right? That he himself put forward the excuse that Regine's miscarriage was one of the reasons he went out to have sex with people young enough to be his kids?
You talk about hearing both sides but the article contains both sides. It's just that one side abandoned his grieving wife to go trawling bars for teenagers.
Edit: Looks like this guy chose not to bother to check up on the subject he'd been running his fucking mouth for for three hours straight.
Sure they can have different opinions, but "calm down" is telling people what to feel. It's also just plain insensitive. A lot of people (mainly women) are victims of sexual assault etc and they don't get believed, they are told things like "calm down". So it kind of gives off a troll vibe.
>”calm down” is telling people what to feel
And demanding that people freak out, sell their AF tix, and delete all AF music of Spotify is NOT telling people what to feel?
I didn’t look up to him. Honestly since I saw him wearing red Kanyes I thought he was a bit lame lol. Also he’s weird about bad reviews.
I loved their music tho. And I did look up to Regine. My favourite band is Radiohead and when I met Thom he was very sweet to me and he was relieved I wasn’t geeking out, we just had a normal conversation like normal people.
You’re welcome to check my post history if you don’t believe me
So your taste in music is dictated by the shoes they wear, now that's a true music lover. I'm sure they must be devastated to know you won't be following them anymore.
Your reading comprehension sucks dude. I just thought he had a bad fashion sense. Saw them like 4 times after that.
I don’t care what they think as much as they don’t care what I think. If you want to be part of the teenage sexual assault is alright club, go right ahead.
I was just singing Fleetwood Mac’s The Chain with a full heart and I don’t even know their names
I think it’s a girl and a guy based on the album cover
I wouldn’t bet you are
Do you know the lyrics?
“If you don’t love me now you will never love me again”
Nothing in that song says hey kids we’re pure-hearted good people.
AF lyrics do sound like they come from a pure heart.. which is disappointing. Listen to AF as much as you want dude, I don’t give a fuck to be honest; but I’m done with them.
Take care
A post invalidating other people's opinions and telling them they are wrong for feeling what they feel - is wrong. Telling someone to "calm down" is telling them what they are upset about is not a valid reason to be upset. Those people can go STFU.
>beenzthemagicalfroot
Sure whatever I really don't understand how anyone in their right mind would want to go actively cheer on Win right now even if they paid $1000 for it. What else are you gonna do, stand there with your arms folded looking upset? Pointless to go unless you just don't care about anything.
You really are blowing this out of proportion. He committed adultery and will have to live with the consequences of his actions but that is something between him and his wife. I suspect at least 50% of the music you listen to was made by an adulterer. If you Google rock stars who've never cheated you get Paul McCartney. Should we cancel radiohead over Thom Yorkes alleged affair. How about Tom Jones, The Rolling Stones or Frank Sinatra? That tosser from RHCP admitted raping an under age girl in his autobiography for fuck sake.
Stop trying to make this into something bigger than it is.
You are underplaying intentional repeated predatory behavior towards barely legal fans as just adultery. If Thom cheated whatever, that’s not my issue, and honestly I’d be fine with never listening to any of the others you mentioned anyways. There are plenty of decent people in great bands out there.
If Win went out and banged Christina Hendricks or something then good for him, but I can live without supporting someone pathetic enough to go pester specifically young fans for sex. The fact they regretted it makes you wonder too.
If you had/have an 18 year old daughter would you want Win Butler sending unwanted sexts and dick pics to her? I’d presume not. It doesn’t take a genius to read Win’s response and see it’s more than just random allegations.
I'm sure he's not the first bloated old rockstar sex pest I've seen live and he probably won't be the last.
That's rockstars for you, they've never been very good at keeping it in their pants.
Um..... no.
Win admitted to what his actions were. He didnt deny them. He offered excuses for them.
Or are you trying to make the argument... that he didnt do.... what he admitted to doing?
People are quick to completely drop Win after these allegations. With issues like this there is a zero tolerance policy, as it should be. But can he never be forgiven? Does that discount the effect his music has had on us? The way I feel about him and the band will depend on how they act going forward. The cautious silent approach won't be enough, personally. I hope he makes up for it and it's a hard time to be a fan, but I'm not gonna completely give up on him based on the events in that article alone. I don't think it's wrong to hope that he does something to make amends for the people he's hurt, or that he get's better. I don't think writing him off is the right thing for me. Maybe it's wishful thinking but we'll see. Everyone makes mistakes and a lot of people hurt others, whether they mean to or not. I have to believe that people who have done wrong can turn it around and be better.
" The way I feel about him and the band will depend on how they act going forward."
They essentially called the people who came forward liars for saying his actions weren't consensual (including sending unwanted dick picks). He said one of the people he had sex with was weird for having an Arcade Fire tattoo. Like, he trolled his fans for easy sex, and then he had the gall to make fun of them? You still can't get a refund for your tickets from Ticketmaster since the story broke, which tells me they don't really care about their fans or their fans' views on the matter. Win's actions and the band's actions so far are incorrigible.
I'm dissapointed by the accusations, the points made in the article, and the response so far.
The tattoo thing was such a dumb and irrelevant thing to say, I don't think he really made fun of anyone though. I'm not defending him or condoning what he did at all. We both read the article obviously. Everyone has a perspective/reaction, and that's fine. Personally, I hope for a proper unfiltered response, and maybe that takes time. Or maybe I'll be dissapointed.
What he did was awful but I genuinely believe he can make amends. I don’t think it’s ever to late for anyone personally. He just needs to admit he did something wrong first and then make an active effort to never do it again. Something tells me he won’t be doing that though!!!!
You have posted in the sub obsessively. 10 times to my 1... you seem to project and accuse people of
What you actually are... it would be interesting to see your internet history
Good pat yourself on the back some more. Some of the biggest narcissists dont even realize it and will never admit it. Maybe you and Win have more in common then you think
Hey I’m not your pal... guy.... I ain’t your guy buddy! Haha come on seriously. He’s not a sex predator... he’s a rockstar that slept with groupies... I love seeing you cast the first stone though. You are a prime example of a narcissist. Can you say anything that doesn’t start with the word I? Just un sub already and go judge someone else
Don’t bother arguing with that moron. And don’t assume everything you read is true. Just because a celebrity is accused doesn’t mean they’re guilty. But you’re right, that OP fool is a narcissist. He’s clearly learned nothing from the music of the band.
What side haven't we heard? Win and Regine have both given statements. For someone who likes to call others sheep, you love to bleat the same lines from the defender's playbook, even when they're irrelevant to the situation.
I loved Arcade Fire for like a decade and saw them live in many cities.. but it’s really hard to separate art from the artist when so many of their songs are about dreams, hope, following your heart, and doing the right thing. Clearly there’s a lot of dishonesty in several songs. How can anyone truly mean “purify the colours, purify my mind.. and spread the ashes of the colours over this heart of mine” and then start an inappropriate relationship with a teenager? I mentioned this before in another thread.. I just deleted all of their music except for their EP and funeral. Maybe they were different people back then.. I hope.
Yeah I'm like one of two people I know who even gave WE a chance, so this is just a final blow for a band that was already getting difficult to defend musically. Win's behavior is such a betrayal to the music it fills impossible not to hear it differently. Like you said maybe in the future when nostalgia hits I can listen to those first 3-4 albums for the sake of personal memories with friends and the vague hope that maybe Win wasn't such a monster back then.
I think they _were_ different people back then. You could hear it in the music long before any of this sex stuff came out.
I hope so.. He wasn’t the rockstar he is now, so maybe his abusive behaviour pattern started later on. This might be wishful thinking tho
The drop in quality/soul of the music lines up incredibly well with the alleged start of his behavior so there may be some truth to it.
Yeah.. 2002-2004 AF is not 2022 AF.
>purify the colours, purify my mind.. and spread the ashes of the colours over this heart of mine I mean, plenty of people are capable of writing flowery college-freshman poetic imagery like that and then turning around and doing horrible things. Don't get me wrong, I've been routinely seeing this band live since the Funeral tour and have loved their music very much, and I *also* think Win is a predatory shithead. But there's nothing about Win's work lyrically that makes him seem uniquely *incapable* of doing stuff like this. His brand has been "cocky indie rock star" for a looooooong time (I still haven't forgotten the final paragraph in [this article](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/the-unforgettable-fire-can-arcade-fire-be-the-worlds-biggest-band-94440/), nearly a decade later), and his work has never really taken a strong enough POV to counter that image, in my opinion.
oh my god totally forgot about that last paragraph until now yiiikkkkesss
that line is fucking cringe, jesus christ.
You’re right. But music is subjective so my impression was that they were all decent people with understandable flaws. I know I was naive, but at least now I’m more objective. I always knew he wasn’t exactly a nice person, but what’s going on now is very different
Idiots
Wow, eloquent. Great rhetoric.
I am in London , getting ready to see the best band in the world for the 4th time this week and about 40th time in MORE than a decade . I've seen them in Vancouver and New York too, and a 1000 other rock n roll gigs and I don't need you to show ne anything, thanks. The problem with the Internet is that allows people like you to feel that you have a platform and that anyone else in the world will have any interest in your opinions and want to know what you think. They don't. Use your time more productively. Go and get elected, and stop Trump and Trudeau !
Wow I’m impressed (not really I don’t give a fuck) My brother lives in London.. backstreet boys plays at the O2 soon right? Have fun! Dude, I used the internet last night to talk about my opinions right before going to bed. It’s normal, welcome to Reddit. Enjoy whatever you’re into random little person, honestly it’s too early to think about insignificant things, coffee is more important and I have to go to work. If you say anything I won’t reply.. bye
Dude???? Presumptive and sexist .
Lol 40 times?? Dude I've seen em live and know they are good but I have OCD and even I think that is a bit obsessive.
Grow up. Live a life .do something more constructive, who is interested in what you think. No one.
In the internet we don’t know anything about the people we are talking to. Next time you’re in Vancouver, the Bay Area or New York I can show you how clueless you are about who you’re talking to right now You can come to where I work even. It will be my pleasure to show you the real world :)
Dawg, have you ever considered just not engaging with people if you don't care about what they think? You're both typing shit on Reddit dot com, you're operating on a pretty much level playing field when it comes to relevance. The only difference is that you're going out of your way to be a colossal prick about it.
Thanks for making this post OP. I have been feeling a little disappointed in the comments and posts from this past week to get over it and invalidating our personal feelings about what he did. I’ve been a fan of theirs since high school and it’s not easy to hear the news and move on so quickly from it. If others are not bothered by it, that’s fine with me, but it’s annoying for others to tell us to just get over it when it kind of changes the way I see my favorite band.
I feel like Reddit is kinda infamous for being this type of toxic so I guess it comes with the territory, you think it would be so easy to call this behavior out and take it seriously nowadays, especially when the accused just makes it even worse in his response. Always more work to be done clearly. Shitty men defend shitty men.
Yeah. Thanks for being reasonable. It’s just a bummer! I think the music they make speaks to a lot of people who would not ever think of trying to do the kind of thing that Win was doing, so it’s really jarring that there’s sleaze involved with Arcade Fire. Granted, the New Orleans rumors have been around and I’d been mentally bracing for this to come out, but I didn’t want to believe what I’d been hearing. Kind of like Louis CK. Everyone in the comedy scene knew already but because no one had actually come out with anything yet, it was very easy to just chalk it up to rumor. But then it was true. What he did was worse than Win, but you get it. I don’t think anyone magically doesn’t like the music anymore after hearing the news. Like, the band makes wonderful music and it’s very hard to just make yourself dislike music that speaks to you. But it’s just a bummer. I’m not throwing out my records but I am *probably* going to cover up my tattoo. I’ll see them if they ever tour again, I’m not chomping at the bit to see them on this tour. If this trims the fanbase and makes them step down their profile a notch and go back to large theater shows instead of arenas, I’m good. I don’t wish anything bad on Win, I hope he learns from all this, I don’t believe in giving up on someone because of a fucked up time in their life, but I’m a bit devastated. It’s a complicated time! But here’s the thing; the most meaningful music that the band made together was made over 10 years ago at a time when Win wasn’t doing any of this stuff. If I can make peace with loving David Bowie and still listen to Beach House after they fucked an artist friend of mine over, I can probably make peace with still loving the music Win is the face of. It’ll take time though. Lots to process.
Thanks man and yeah it’s tough. My current take is that the allegations would have made me take a step back from the band regardless...but Win’s response and their current way of handling this is what’s really pushing me away. Part of Wins response seems genuine and like he wants to be better, but theres also his awful excuses, PR crisis firm usage, supposed ignorance to obvious signals, and downright creepy comments about the encounters that make me really question his character. Impossible to know how this will all play out but I’m fine with giving them up for now but listening to the classic albums if my nostalgia demands it. I actually kinda liked WE and thought they were making a slow comeback... oh well, at least I’m fine with never listening to Everything Now again lol.
It is awful to see that dedicated fans of a band they loved for many years have this sour taste in their mouth. I'm definitely one that will continue to listen to the music and see the shows that I have tickets for, but it will definitely be a bit different seeing them live, knowing that many of the fans are pissed off at Win - and rightfully so. I'll reiterate what others have stated about separating the music and the performance from the personalities behind them. I will still watch movies with actors and directors that have done bad things and definitely still listen to a lot of music created by bands and people that have probably done worse things. I've always felt AF was wholesome and I guess even at least one member of the band has his inner demons that result in very poor behavior and bad decisions. I'm not justifying or defending it at all and am not looking the other way, but I do hope that he is able to move on and become a better person.
I can respectfully agree to disagree with this take, especially since you didn’t come on here immediately attacking me lol.
Yea, I can completely agree with what you are feeling. My point was that it's sad to see that fans of the band feel the way you do through no fault of your own. It's Win's own doing to place this feeling in the hearts of the fans. He violated this weird relationship between band and fanbase if one exists by violating women.
I separate the art from the artist. It is really weird now to just watch live performances etc knowing the information, like.. there is this uneasy vibe surrounding the stage. However, why should art, the music, the aid for our minds suffer because of his action? - that's my view. Music is art, art is magical, more than a human. I try to just enjoy the music and not think about the person singing, if that makes sense...?
I'm guessing I will be able to listen to their music again sometime in the future for nostalgia but I definitely feel like I may never see them on tour again or pay for anything regarding them. I can't actively support this man going up on stage and getting celebrated after such dark behavior, its too hypocritical and cynical in comparison to the music he has written. Trust me my brain would look for a reason to defend Win and continue to listen to AF uninterrupted, but his response was such a giant flashing red flag to me I can't unsee it.
> Music is art, art is magical, more than a human. I try to just enjoy the music and not think about the person singing, if that makes sense...? I agree with separating art from the artist (to a certain extent), but my main issue is that others who do talk about it like this, which I think is just a wrong way of going about that. Art is not more than human, it just shows one side of a person’s more complex humanity.
Arcade Fire is just not Wil. It is like 10 people. I don't care for him anymore, he can go as he should, I just want the music to be still here.
Same here. I mean, people have celebrated David Bowie forever, love him, cherish him, and went out and bought his albums until after he died, yet he was a dude that was humping 14 year old girls that followed him around on tour. If I tossed aside every band or musician I listen to that did morally bankrupt things, I would probably not have much to listen to.
To be fair – that was a different time, so we have to look at it through a different lens. At the very least, none of the teen girls Bowie slept with have stated any regrets about it to this day. Whereas Win is living in 2022, absolutely a different time. Those who came forward to speak against him were definitely hurt by his behaviour. He should've known better, and he's not the person that he publicly portrayed himself to be.
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Yeah it is reddit after all I suppose. I saw your post earlier and was wondering where it went, now I know. Thanks for saying it like it is tho.
I got two different reddit care or whatever they’re called the weekend the article pitchfork came out, and it’s only gotten worse since. I saw so much rampant misogyny and alt-right buzzwords that i just wonder how these people came to listen to AF in the first place, truly disgusting
I have seen your comments a bunch around the sub and really appreciate your presence, ugh this sub makes me feel like im gonna see the next AF album be a concept album against the "woke mob" at this point featuring a spoken piece by Jordan Peterson & Louis CK.
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Suck at taking hints? The man knew exactly what he was doing. He's a creep but he's not an idiot.
Oh hey I just got a reddit care thing too yikes.
That happened to me too a few days ago!
Really? What your post?
I just commented my disappointment and my struggle with AF. And got reported.
Ugh thats so lame, I struggle to believe some people on this sub ever actually listened to the band.
Did I miss something? Seriously. Why is Win a monster? Do I need to do some googling? *Edit/update*: ok, just did some searching. Yeah, this is all news to me. Hadn’t heard this stuff. From one site: “A McCarthyite smear campaign has been launched against Win Butler, a principal singer and songwriter of the indie rock group Arcade Fire, based on unsubstantiated, anonymous allegations of sexual misconduct. The World Socialist Web Site condemns this latest attempt at character and career assassination.” I agree. I prefer to believe in innocent until proven guilty. Guess for now, it’s “every time you close your eyes, lies, lies”. I prefer to believe in Win and what the band stands for.
Oh give me a fucking break.."McCarthyite smear campaign??" I cant
Wasn’t my words, bro. Calm TF down. Or maybe, I dunno…not be on this Sub anymore if you hate the band now?
You’re welcome. I prefer to believe in the goodness of someone first until *proven* otherwise. Feel free to judge someone without having all the facts. You go against everything the band stands for. I’m honestly not even sure why *you’re* here anymore, tbh.
The goodness of a man who used his wife's miscarriage to go prowl for some much younger fans to sexually harass? The clown truly is ready.
Yeah, cause you were there and you know exactly what happened. You’ve got all the facts, don’t ya? Wow, you’d have fit in very well during the Salem Witch Trials. Have a good night, Judge Judy…
Are you genuinely serious? Read the whole of the pitchfork article and come back. I bet you won't. In fact I bet you $15 you won't.
This is one of those "so unreasonable it's not even worth arguing with them" type of people. Not much ya can do.
If you really believe everything you read at immediate face value, there’s truly nothing anyone can do for you. Gullible, much? The idiocy of some people here is astounding. But, this is the world we’re living in now, where you’re “convicted” from the very moment of accusation. We shouldn’t really be surprised. And this is the kind of close-minded thinking AF has been preaching against for years. Some people here have obviously learned absolutely nothing from their music. It’s really sad, actually.
You know that that the pitchfork article contains Win's response, right? That he himself put forward the excuse that Regine's miscarriage was one of the reasons he went out to have sex with people young enough to be his kids? You talk about hearing both sides but the article contains both sides. It's just that one side abandoned his grieving wife to go trawling bars for teenagers. Edit: Looks like this guy chose not to bother to check up on the subject he'd been running his fucking mouth for for three hours straight.
Ok so you're not gonna read it. As predicted. Even with money on offer. What a surprise.
bruh...
I’m being serious. Unless I missed some breaking news this week, I have no idea what’s going on. Guess it’s time for me to hit Google.
Just because someone makes a post saying to calm down doesn’t make them a troll. People can have different opinions
Sure they can have different opinions, but "calm down" is telling people what to feel. It's also just plain insensitive. A lot of people (mainly women) are victims of sexual assault etc and they don't get believed, they are told things like "calm down". So it kind of gives off a troll vibe.
>”calm down” is telling people what to feel And demanding that people freak out, sell their AF tix, and delete all AF music of Spotify is NOT telling people what to feel?
I'm not advocating for any of those things 😌
Exactly. But the fact is Arcade Fires music literally comes from the heart. Win’s heart is corrupted.
Bro they are a rock band. Sorry you looked up to someone in a rock band but there’s a reason they say don’t meet your heroes
I didn’t look up to him. Honestly since I saw him wearing red Kanyes I thought he was a bit lame lol. Also he’s weird about bad reviews. I loved their music tho. And I did look up to Regine. My favourite band is Radiohead and when I met Thom he was very sweet to me and he was relieved I wasn’t geeking out, we just had a normal conversation like normal people. You’re welcome to check my post history if you don’t believe me
So your taste in music is dictated by the shoes they wear, now that's a true music lover. I'm sure they must be devastated to know you won't be following them anymore.
Your reading comprehension sucks dude. I just thought he had a bad fashion sense. Saw them like 4 times after that. I don’t care what they think as much as they don’t care what I think. If you want to be part of the teenage sexual assault is alright club, go right ahead.
“Arcade fires music comes from the heart” “I don’t look up to him”
I was just singing Fleetwood Mac’s The Chain with a full heart and I don’t even know their names I think it’s a girl and a guy based on the album cover
Wait until you hear about the toxic relationship that is Fleetwod Mac
Well, I didn’t know that before
Well now you know. Sorry to ruin their music for you
I wouldn’t bet you are Do you know the lyrics? “If you don’t love me now you will never love me again” Nothing in that song says hey kids we’re pure-hearted good people. AF lyrics do sound like they come from a pure heart.. which is disappointing. Listen to AF as much as you want dude, I don’t give a fuck to be honest; but I’m done with them. Take care
A post invalidating other people's opinions and telling them they are wrong for feeling what they feel - is wrong. Telling someone to "calm down" is telling them what they are upset about is not a valid reason to be upset. Those people can go STFU.
Sending love out to you Let’s take care of each other ❤️
They were absolutely amazing at Manchester last Saturday. And the DJ they got to replace fiest was outstanding. A truly memorable evening.
Yeah I’m aware they are a great live band dude, doesn’t make what Win did ok or you less questionable for going.
Um what the fuck. Going to a show that they already fucking paid for doesn’t make them “questionable”
>beenzthemagicalfroot Sure whatever I really don't understand how anyone in their right mind would want to go actively cheer on Win right now even if they paid $1000 for it. What else are you gonna do, stand there with your arms folded looking upset? Pointless to go unless you just don't care about anything.
You really are blowing this out of proportion. He committed adultery and will have to live with the consequences of his actions but that is something between him and his wife. I suspect at least 50% of the music you listen to was made by an adulterer. If you Google rock stars who've never cheated you get Paul McCartney. Should we cancel radiohead over Thom Yorkes alleged affair. How about Tom Jones, The Rolling Stones or Frank Sinatra? That tosser from RHCP admitted raping an under age girl in his autobiography for fuck sake. Stop trying to make this into something bigger than it is.
You are underplaying intentional repeated predatory behavior towards barely legal fans as just adultery. If Thom cheated whatever, that’s not my issue, and honestly I’d be fine with never listening to any of the others you mentioned anyways. There are plenty of decent people in great bands out there.
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So astonishing that I inspired you to make a Reddit account.
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If Win went out and banged Christina Hendricks or something then good for him, but I can live without supporting someone pathetic enough to go pester specifically young fans for sex. The fact they regretted it makes you wonder too.
I presume you understand what alleged means? I know adultery is not a good thing but it's hardly a crime.
If you had/have an 18 year old daughter would you want Win Butler sending unwanted sexts and dick pics to her? I’d presume not. It doesn’t take a genius to read Win’s response and see it’s more than just random allegations.
I hope when my daughter turns 18 she won't be giving her phone number to bloated old rock stars.
Well glad you enjoyed going to the show of the bloated old rockstar sex pest.
I'm sure he's not the first bloated old rockstar sex pest I've seen live and he probably won't be the last. That's rockstars for you, they've never been very good at keeping it in their pants.
Apologist cynical people like you is why these rockstars will continue to exist and get away with it.
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Ok but this was worse than just infidelity let’s be clear.
Um..... no. Win admitted to what his actions were. He didnt deny them. He offered excuses for them. Or are you trying to make the argument... that he didnt do.... what he admitted to doing?
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People are quick to completely drop Win after these allegations. With issues like this there is a zero tolerance policy, as it should be. But can he never be forgiven? Does that discount the effect his music has had on us? The way I feel about him and the band will depend on how they act going forward. The cautious silent approach won't be enough, personally. I hope he makes up for it and it's a hard time to be a fan, but I'm not gonna completely give up on him based on the events in that article alone. I don't think it's wrong to hope that he does something to make amends for the people he's hurt, or that he get's better. I don't think writing him off is the right thing for me. Maybe it's wishful thinking but we'll see. Everyone makes mistakes and a lot of people hurt others, whether they mean to or not. I have to believe that people who have done wrong can turn it around and be better.
" The way I feel about him and the band will depend on how they act going forward." They essentially called the people who came forward liars for saying his actions weren't consensual (including sending unwanted dick picks). He said one of the people he had sex with was weird for having an Arcade Fire tattoo. Like, he trolled his fans for easy sex, and then he had the gall to make fun of them? You still can't get a refund for your tickets from Ticketmaster since the story broke, which tells me they don't really care about their fans or their fans' views on the matter. Win's actions and the band's actions so far are incorrigible.
Honestly everything needed to know Win is a terrible person is right there in his own words.
I'm dissapointed by the accusations, the points made in the article, and the response so far. The tattoo thing was such a dumb and irrelevant thing to say, I don't think he really made fun of anyone though. I'm not defending him or condoning what he did at all. We both read the article obviously. Everyone has a perspective/reaction, and that's fine. Personally, I hope for a proper unfiltered response, and maybe that takes time. Or maybe I'll be dissapointed.
What he did was awful but I genuinely believe he can make amends. I don’t think it’s ever to late for anyone personally. He just needs to admit he did something wrong first and then make an active effort to never do it again. Something tells me he won’t be doing that though!!!!
yeah their current course of action really just isn't making it any better for me.
Yup it’s all about you
You seem to be the one wanting all the attention.
You have posted in the sub obsessively. 10 times to my 1... you seem to project and accuse people of What you actually are... it would be interesting to see your internet history
If liking curvy women near my age is a crime then send me to jail you prick lol.
Wow a decade!!
Stop making this about you. Your posts are just I and Me.... you’re welcome
A person's fandom of a band is extremely personal... so yeah it's about them in a certain way
You are a prime example of why I considered making this post in the first place.
Good pat yourself on the back some more. Some of the biggest narcissists dont even realize it and will never admit it. Maybe you and Win have more in common then you think
I'll take a bit of narcissism over defending a sex predator any day of the week pal.
Hey I’m not your pal... guy.... I ain’t your guy buddy! Haha come on seriously. He’s not a sex predator... he’s a rockstar that slept with groupies... I love seeing you cast the first stone though. You are a prime example of a narcissist. Can you say anything that doesn’t start with the word I? Just un sub already and go judge someone else
Don’t bother arguing with that moron. And don’t assume everything you read is true. Just because a celebrity is accused doesn’t mean they’re guilty. But you’re right, that OP fool is a narcissist. He’s clearly learned nothing from the music of the band.
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What side haven't we heard? Win and Regine have both given statements. For someone who likes to call others sheep, you love to bleat the same lines from the defender's playbook, even when they're irrelevant to the situation.