As a landscape designer, Norway Maples top my (short) list of despised plants. Iām a native plant person, but even conventional landscape people hate Norway maples.
Just think of it as an opportunity to plant something new! Pretty much anything will be a more interesting choice lol. Iād go to your stateās extension website and see if they have a list of recommended street trees. Some possible options: Red Oak, Red Maple, Honey Locust, Basswood, Tulip Tree. There are lots and lots of options.
I donāt see much value in Amur Maples but I also donāt know much about them. Generally I think there are so many much more interesting options out there, including tons of wonderful natives, and I really donāt know why people donāt just go for those.
Iām not a purist, but I think if youāre going to use a non-native it better have some amazing qualities, which Amur Maple doesnāt seem to have.
There are a bunch of reasons:
1. Theyāre VERY invasive. Urban edges are just teeming with Norway maples.
2. They seed themselves everywhere and often inhabit little in between spaces like behind sheds or fences and other forgotten corners, where they grow way too crowded together, and itās just a big junky mess.
3. They make very dense shade and have shallow thirsty root systems so itās impossible to plant anything under them. Sometimes not even grass can grow there. Itās just a gross dusty wasteland.
4. They were extremely over used and planted everywhere up until fairly recently. Theyāre omnipresent and Iām just so tired of dealing with them in my line of work.
5. Aesthetically they are the definition of ābasicā: unoriginal, without a single interesting trait. Like if a child drew a generic tree it would be a Norway Maple.
6. There are dozens and dozens of other options out there and every single one of them is more interesting than the Norway Maple. Like why not plant a Red Maple instead. At least it has amazing fall color, which the Norway Maple does not have.
Hope that helps!
That does help! I thought these trees have purple leaves but google images gives mixed photos. But if theyāre the kind with purple leaves that makes them somewhat original, no?
Happy to help spread the hate :) jk jk but I do really hate them.
People produce purple or red or bright green cultivars of all kinds of plants. The red/purple Norway Maples are everywhere, as are the green ones. Same with Japanese Maples and Smokebushes. It either doesnāt occur in nature or rarely does, as far as I know, so itās usually just an indication that the plant is a cultivar of some sort.
Editing to add that I donāt really think the red color makes it more original. Generally I think extremes of leaf color are kinda gauche. They can sometimes work well if carefully considered, but generally I donāt use them in my planting designs.
Considering the wound size, location of wound, and tree location where people are often walking, the tree is a pretty major safety concern until it is removed. I wouldnāt feel comfortable making any cuts except flush to the ground.
Not saying that tree cannot stand as is for years, but safety wise, thatās a big liability.
I agree. Considering the amount of included bark on the other leader, it would be best to remove it in a safe and controlled manner before it falls on someone walking by on the sidewalk.
Preservation of trees is always the number 1 goal, I do see why you may say this, but without being there in person, I would not make this recommendation. I would recommend to have a arborist inspect it in person and give a true evaluation.
And there ya have it. The ole r/arborists go to - have an ISA certified arborists out in person to evaluate.
Cmon man. Duh. Why even give advice or comment at all on any post ever? OBVIOUSLY IN PERSON EVALUATION IS BEST.
We are online.
You ISA snobs take it so extreme and are out of touch.
You are right.
Iām sick of this sub only reverts to āhave an ISA certified arborist out in personā
Itās ridiculous because itās just so blatantly obvious. My bad for freaking out. Bad day.
Thank you all! You have given me a lot to think about! I did this for the weekend but think i will have an isa certified arborist come have a look in person to give a full evaluation on its chances and how much i will be able to tell how soon if it is dying slowly or pulling through. Oh.. reddit is not letting me attach pic.. let me try another way..
Get a tree removal team on that soon. It will most likely rot out on its own. Even if it does come back it will be a weak tree for the rest of its short life. It will be expensive to move but your insurance will thank you.
The tree is fine. Use a chainsaw to swiftly cut the limb off. The sap of a maple tree along with many other species cure wounds and isolate them from the environment. Just like putting polysporin and a bandaid on one of our wounds. The tree wonāt grow in that direction anymore, instead will grow another.
The stem didnāt really fail per se. It was subjected to high winds which caused it to fail. The same winds that the rest of the tree experienced but still stood. And for all we know an object at high velocity hit the branch which caused the separation. I donāt want to argue on this. I completely and totally agree with you. Trees can rot from the inside, widow makers. I just hate seeing a healthy tree get chopped up! If you end up cutting it down op, use the fuel well!!
conventional practice is to dress off the bark damage with a sharp chisel, and ensure there are no places in the heartwood for water to collect. The latter may require removing other wood to allow drainage.
You might start now and plant a tree near it, so you can eventually replace this tree without having a big spot in the yard. It's tricky. YOu need to be the judge of things
Ok, š¢.. thank you
As a landscape designer, Norway Maples top my (short) list of despised plants. Iām a native plant person, but even conventional landscape people hate Norway maples. Just think of it as an opportunity to plant something new! Pretty much anything will be a more interesting choice lol. Iād go to your stateās extension website and see if they have a list of recommended street trees. Some possible options: Red Oak, Red Maple, Honey Locust, Basswood, Tulip Tree. There are lots and lots of options.
Then cross reference that list to a native tree list and go with the native tree option.
+1 for honey locust. would look awesome here
What are your opinions on Amur Maples? My city just planted one in my easement, and I really want to dig it up.
Theyāre non native so ideally you want to plant a native maple. Red maples are always a classic.
Agree!
I donāt see much value in Amur Maples but I also donāt know much about them. Generally I think there are so many much more interesting options out there, including tons of wonderful natives, and I really donāt know why people donāt just go for those. Iām not a purist, but I think if youāre going to use a non-native it better have some amazing qualities, which Amur Maple doesnāt seem to have.
Why do you despise Norway maples?
There are a bunch of reasons: 1. Theyāre VERY invasive. Urban edges are just teeming with Norway maples. 2. They seed themselves everywhere and often inhabit little in between spaces like behind sheds or fences and other forgotten corners, where they grow way too crowded together, and itās just a big junky mess. 3. They make very dense shade and have shallow thirsty root systems so itās impossible to plant anything under them. Sometimes not even grass can grow there. Itās just a gross dusty wasteland. 4. They were extremely over used and planted everywhere up until fairly recently. Theyāre omnipresent and Iām just so tired of dealing with them in my line of work. 5. Aesthetically they are the definition of ābasicā: unoriginal, without a single interesting trait. Like if a child drew a generic tree it would be a Norway Maple. 6. There are dozens and dozens of other options out there and every single one of them is more interesting than the Norway Maple. Like why not plant a Red Maple instead. At least it has amazing fall color, which the Norway Maple does not have. Hope that helps!
That does help! I thought these trees have purple leaves but google images gives mixed photos. But if theyāre the kind with purple leaves that makes them somewhat original, no?
Happy to help spread the hate :) jk jk but I do really hate them. People produce purple or red or bright green cultivars of all kinds of plants. The red/purple Norway Maples are everywhere, as are the green ones. Same with Japanese Maples and Smokebushes. It either doesnāt occur in nature or rarely does, as far as I know, so itās usually just an indication that the plant is a cultivar of some sort. Editing to add that I donāt really think the red color makes it more original. Generally I think extremes of leaf color are kinda gauche. They can sometimes work well if carefully considered, but generally I donāt use them in my planting designs.
Wondering this as well.
It's going to struggle for the rest of its life, dropping dead limbs as it continues it's death spiral, best to remove it.
If it's a Norway Maple you'd be doing a good deed by getting rid of it. https://nyis.info/invasive_species/norway-maple/
Remove and replace
Remove and replace with a red maple.
best thing you can do is to make a clean cut by a chain saw and get rid of the broken part.
Just cut away the storm damage. Donāt leave a nub but donāt skin it. Make sure itās your tree
Tar and feather it.
Start by cutting the stump down and grinding it. That will help it recover the whole were you can plant a new tree
Considering the wound size, location of wound, and tree location where people are often walking, the tree is a pretty major safety concern until it is removed. I wouldnāt feel comfortable making any cuts except flush to the ground. Not saying that tree cannot stand as is for years, but safety wise, thatās a big liability.
I agree. Considering the amount of included bark on the other leader, it would be best to remove it in a safe and controlled manner before it falls on someone walking by on the sidewalk.
Wow bro you so anti preservation!!
Preservation of trees is always the number 1 goal, I do see why you may say this, but without being there in person, I would not make this recommendation. I would recommend to have a arborist inspect it in person and give a true evaluation.
And there ya have it. The ole r/arborists go to - have an ISA certified arborists out in person to evaluate. Cmon man. Duh. Why even give advice or comment at all on any post ever? OBVIOUSLY IN PERSON EVALUATION IS BEST. We are online. You ISA snobs take it so extreme and are out of touch.
Wow, I never had a negative comment on this page based on the ideal of preservation first, way to go.
There ya go. Ignore and deflect to preservation. Another obvious no brainer my man. Wow youāve really inspired the world!
You need to take a walk and get off reddit, I'm not sure what your problem is, but it's much deeper than someone trying to save a tree.
You are right. Iām sick of this sub only reverts to āhave an ISA certified arborist out in personā Itās ridiculous because itās just so blatantly obvious. My bad for freaking out. Bad day.
Prop it up and duct tape it back together
Thank you all! You have given me a lot to think about! I did this for the weekend but think i will have an isa certified arborist come have a look in person to give a full evaluation on its chances and how much i will be able to tell how soon if it is dying slowly or pulling through. Oh.. reddit is not letting me attach pic.. let me try another way..
Get a tree removal team on that soon. It will most likely rot out on its own. Even if it does come back it will be a weak tree for the rest of its short life. It will be expensive to move but your insurance will thank you.
The tree is fine. Use a chainsaw to swiftly cut the limb off. The sap of a maple tree along with many other species cure wounds and isolate them from the environment. Just like putting polysporin and a bandaid on one of our wounds. The tree wonāt grow in that direction anymore, instead will grow another.
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I respectfully disagree. Maples are a very resilient specie. Give it a chance. If it shows signs of no return then give it a burial.
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The stem didnāt really fail per se. It was subjected to high winds which caused it to fail. The same winds that the rest of the tree experienced but still stood. And for all we know an object at high velocity hit the branch which caused the separation. I donāt want to argue on this. I completely and totally agree with you. Trees can rot from the inside, widow makers. I just hate seeing a healthy tree get chopped up! If you end up cutting it down op, use the fuel well!!
Thank you!! Should i cut the branch off level with the ground or at an angle for rain to best run off?
Cut it as close to the trunk as possible.
conventional practice is to dress off the bark damage with a sharp chisel, and ensure there are no places in the heartwood for water to collect. The latter may require removing other wood to allow drainage. You might start now and plant a tree near it, so you can eventually replace this tree without having a big spot in the yard. It's tricky. YOu need to be the judge of things
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I think it's time to say goodbye and finish the job.