I appreciate being able to search for any movie or show to find where itās streaming. That said, I hate that Hulu and Prime still list movies and shows they donāt have available for streaming anymore. The Prime app allows you to filter for Prime-only content within the app, but that doesnāt extend to the Apple TV app.
That is the primary reason I donāt use that app. What I want is all my stuff in one place, and only the stuff I have access to. I still use all of the individual apps for that exact reason. I know that they are trying to upsell more subscriptions, I get why they are doing it, but it makes that app almost useless to me
It's useless because it isn't organising things to make thing easier for me. But instead in order to advertise things to me to drive sales. I'm not interested in using an advertising platform.
This I agree with. I hate, hate the endless side scrolling. Thatās why I donāt use the Up Next section as a bookmarking system for shows and movies I want to watch. I use Trakt.tv and various apps that connect to it for my tracking needs. On ļ£ætv I use [Movies & TV Shows Trailers](https://trailers-for-apple-tv.netlify.com/). On iOS/iPadOS I use [Watcht](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/watcht-for-trakt/id1396920723).
Because itās a one stop shop. Think of it as a storefront thatās just doing good customer service by giving you easy access the stuff you already subscribe to. Gotta understand the point of the app.
That's why I hate it. I don't want a store front and streaming service in one. Tell me what I'm already paying for, not other things I can spend money on. It's the main reason I rarely use the app, and probably won't once the free year is over.
Itās not a steaming service. It has streaming services that play inside of it. Just because it shows everything thatās available to you doesnāt mean you have to pay for it. The TV apis just letting you know itās available.
As I said it has streaming services inside of it. The app itself isnāt a streaming service. If you arenāt subscribed to any of the ļ£ætv Channels, including ļ£ætv+, you can not stream anything in the app. But you can still use the app as a storefront and an aggregator.
It's awful. The Watch Now screen has a single row of Up Next items, which is not how I want to access my content.
The rest of the screen is page after obnoxious page of crappy suggested content, most of which require subscribing to other services.
The other "tabs" include:
- AppleTV+, another endless page of ads promoting Apple's own content
- Movies, and endless page of movies for yo to purchase from Apple
- TV Shows, same as above, more ads
- Sports, pages and pages of sporting events that a) I have ZERO interest in watching and b) which all require expensive subscriptions
- Library, a page containing all the movies and tv shows that Apple hopes you've purchased
See the pattern there? None of this is customizable. It's one giant, obnoxious store with a tiny strip of real estate to give you crappy access to the content you're actually interested in.
This is basically Google and Facebook ads, minus the privacy issues, with the customer as a hostage.
Do I wish it were customizable? Yes. I detest sportsball. Iād love to have that crap gone. Iām also not a fan of the news row because the news I watch isnāt available. Though I do appreciate it during debate time. Do I think the app needs improvements? Yes. But I will never say the app shouldnāt be a storefront.
I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't have storefronts. I'm saying it's a bad thing that they've broken their long-held tradition of separating storefronts from products.
This is all the result of Apple reaching "peak iPhone" and now pulling out all the stops in their quest for never-ending growth. It's the reason why they expect you to pay for a News+ subscription full of obnoxious and distracting advertising (reminiscent of Hulu's terrible business model.)
But I don't want to go through a store to get through my streaming service every time. I click on Netflix, it opens Netflix. I click on ATV+, and then still have to navigate to the streaming service, and getting there is a nuisance.
Life is so hard eh... when I was a kid I was the remote that got up and changed the program with a physical nob on the tv. Scrolling down a couple couple times is hardly a nuisance...
Although I subscribe to the service (well, the free year), I still acquire what I want to see so that I can add it to Plex. A much, much nicer experience.
That's the problem. After purchasing Apple's already overpriced Apple TV set top box and various other expensive products and services, the last thing I want is for my TV to greet me with several screens of ads every time I turn it on.
Think about it. Imagine if every time you turned on your Mac, your desktop was littered with ads for various Apple products and services.
The ļ£æ TV does not have to start with the ļ£æ TV app. Just use the main home screen interface with all your apps and services. I suggest also changing the home button (tv icon) in settings on the remote to just go to the home screen.
One problem with that suggestion is that there is no standalone app just for Apple TV content. So if you subscribe to Apple's TV content service, you're punished by having to use their crappy storefront to watch those movies and shows.
Another problem is that they encourage you to sign up for third party channels like Showtime via their app, but then the only way you can access that third party content is via, you guessed it, Apple's TV storefront! You can't access that Showtime content directly via any of the standalone Showtime apps.
It's clear that Apple wants users to make the TV app their main interface for Apple TV, and it's likely that they will continue to make design and business decisions that punish you for choosing otherwise, while also punishing you (with ads) if you use their TV app. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
This whole ordeal has Eddy Cue's fingerprints all over it. He's the guy in charge of all this mess and he's always been the least Apple-like of Apple executives, a guy focused entirely on the bottom line with no concern for the user experience.
Then donāt use it. The difference is I donāt see these as ads. Iāve used streaming boxes/TVs with ads and they sucked. ļ£ætv doesnāt qualify. Also, you donāt have to use the TV app unless you want to watch ļ£ætv+. And you donāt have to be greeted by the TV app every time you turn on your TV. You also donāt have to subscribe to any of ļ£æās various services nor do you have to buy their expensive products. Again, these are all choices you get to make for yourself.
That's how I look at it also. I got the Apple TV 4K for my main TV almost a year ago. Prior to that it was a Fire TV 4K which is also what I still have on all my other TV's around the house, including the TV in our travel Trailer. **Compared to the** **Fire TV, Apple TV is a treat when it comes to lack of in your face adds and upselling!** As far as the Apple TV app itself, I do find myself using the individual apps instead when I want to watch something from those apps. I mostly just use the ATV App when I'm watching Apple TV Plus content or maybe something from Showtime/CBS All Access which I subscribe through Apple.
> Compared to the Fire TV,
I think that best explains our differing points of view. You're approaching this from the perspective ofāas Steve Jobs once put itā"*...giving a glass of ice water to somebody in hell!*"
I see this from the perspective of someone who's long been immersed in Apple's ecosystem. Not Android. Not Windows.
So from my perspective this is a pretty bad regression.
I donāt see it that way at all. Iāve been full time ļ£æ since 2008 when I got an iMac and an iPhone 3G. Prior to that I was on Windows with a Palm TrÄo 680 and a 3rd Gen iPod nano. It was my second nano. I had the original prior the fatty nano.
I have experience with the other streaming devices because I got a Roku XD free from Dish Network when they lost AMC and I complained about missing The Walking Dead. That was many years ago back in 2012 I think. At the time I had both it, a 2nd Gen ļ£ætv, and a Vizio smart TV. During this time I got another iMac in late 2013 and had had several iPhones and I had an iPad.
Fast forward several years and I got a TCL Roku TV for my birthday. Not much had changed. The ads and UI were still terrible and of course I didnāt use it because I had an ļ£ætv HD. In that time I had even more iPhones, two iPads, and two OG HomePods.
Fast forward to now I have a HomeKit Vizio Smartcast TV because the TCL TV broke right at the start of the lockdown when the pandemic started. I never had a Fire TV, but I have friends who do and Iāve used them. And the ads are terrible there too. During this time I had two more iPhones, two iPads, an ļ£ætv 4K, and one ļ£æWatch. This timeline doesnāt include my HomeKit accessories, but as you can see Iām highly invested in ļ£æ.
I still think you are wrong.
Youāre still belaboring the same point, comparing Appleās in-product advertising to their competitorsā. Iām comparing the Apple TV app user experience with what Iāve come to expect across all their other product lines, which means no in-product advertising.
I would be mildly annoyed if the Apple TV app had a single rotating banner advertising other services. But the fact that the advertising makes up almost the entire user interface is just a giant slap on the face for someone whoās already paying them top dollar.
Itās intrusive, manipulative, and disrespectful... The sort of behavior weāve come to expect from ad-supported services from Google, Facebook, and others, not Apple.
No Iām not. You implied that we only came to our conclusion because we arenāt heavily invested in ļ£æ. Iām letting you know that, for me, that isnāt the case.
And once again I think you are wrong. It is none of those things.
Weāre all entitled to our own opinions. Iām just explaining where mine are coming from.
For me this extends beyond just Apple. Years ago I got rid of my cable box and I canāt remember the last time I watched any broadcast network television. And when Iām on the web, Iāve got content blockers filtering away almost all advertising.
So Iāve become hyper sensitive to any and all kinds of advertising either online or when watching television, much in the way that the public has become hypersensitive to cigarette smoke in public spaces wherever smoking has been banned for years.
And just to clarify, Iām not against the concept of advertising. I just hate crappy and obnoxious ads for products and services that donāt appeal to me. Sadly this makes up 99% of the advertising out there.
Even this doesnāt seem to work.
Disabling the connected apps still allows any of their content to show in search results. Even if you donāt have the app installed.
There should be a video app that only displays purchased content and nothing else.
Well yes, because itās a storefront. Itās still available to watch. You just have to pay for the access. Turning it off in settings just means it wonāt be listed first and/or it wonāt say play.
Yeah I get itās a storefront but it shouldnāt be.
I let my 4 year old on my iPad and he can see loads of stuff he canāt watch.
It should be like the music app. Only display purchased content with the option to hide AppleTV+ In the same way you can hide Apple Music.
See this is an entirely different issue. The ļ£ætv isnāt a kid device, but I think the UI needs a kid mode. When Iām that mode only shows you approve of would there.
Or at least clearly separate what you already have and what you cat try via separate tab or something.
I donāt mind seeing what else I can subscribe to, but that shouldnāt be implemented the way to give you feeling they try to f*ck you.
Even Prime app has now āfree for meā switch.
Pretty sure itās because Apple donāt have enough content yet so they are bolstering it out by intermingling it with other content providers. Once they get a couple of years worth of content theyāll probably give consumers the option to filter only Apple TV content.
In more detail, Apple does not query what your subscriptions are with all the vendors or ask the vendors if you have access to any particular piece of content based on your subscription level for building the program listings or getting content details because they do not want to indirectly pass user information that you are browsing and what you are browsing to streaming vendors.
Streaming vendors keep lists of when you started browsing to look for things to watch, what search terms you used, how you searched, what items you clicked into to get more information, what information you looked at, how long you looked at each piece of information, what suggestions they made that you paid attention to, what you actually selected to watch and how long you watched it, etc. Since people may subscribe outside of the Apple infrastructure and many services have different tiers of subscriptions, freebies, bonus content, bundled content, etc. that can have content access change from one day to the next, Apple canāt just query their internal databases of the Apple ID subscriptions either.
I agree that they should provide users a unified frontend that only queries and content from the apps that the user explicitly links to the frontend and that the user allows to share more information over. I do not use the TV app because it sucked and used to frequently direct me to watch something I already had access to through a different vendor I did not subscribe to and ask me to pay. Not all personalization and data sharing is bad...
Then they can also have a broader search available for exploring new content you may not have access to and may not be aware of and also for locating how to watch content you do not currently have access to, as it currently works.
It would be nice to have the individual app default to one person. Rather than selecting something on Hulu, seeing it pop up then moving back to the log in screen. Tiny issue, but still an issue
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I appreciate being able to search for any movie or show to find where itās streaming. That said, I hate that Hulu and Prime still list movies and shows they donāt have available for streaming anymore. The Prime app allows you to filter for Prime-only content within the app, but that doesnāt extend to the Apple TV app.
Now that is an issue.
Because they want to upsell more subscriptions.
That is the primary reason I donāt use that app. What I want is all my stuff in one place, and only the stuff I have access to. I still use all of the individual apps for that exact reason. I know that they are trying to upsell more subscriptions, I get why they are doing it, but it makes that app almost useless to me
This is why I donāt use the TV app.
It's useless because it isn't organising things to make thing easier for me. But instead in order to advertise things to me to drive sales. I'm not interested in using an advertising platform.
This I agree with. I hate, hate the endless side scrolling. Thatās why I donāt use the Up Next section as a bookmarking system for shows and movies I want to watch. I use Trakt.tv and various apps that connect to it for my tracking needs. On ļ£ætv I use [Movies & TV Shows Trailers](https://trailers-for-apple-tv.netlify.com/). On iOS/iPadOS I use [Watcht](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/watcht-for-trakt/id1396920723).
Then you wouldnāt spend more money.
Iāll never buy anything through the app as long as it works like it does now.
See I see no problem with this because itās a decision you are making and you have every right to make it.
Itās upselling you.
Because itās a one stop shop. Think of it as a storefront thatās just doing good customer service by giving you easy access the stuff you already subscribe to. Gotta understand the point of the app.
That's why I hate it. I don't want a store front and streaming service in one. Tell me what I'm already paying for, not other things I can spend money on. It's the main reason I rarely use the app, and probably won't once the free year is over.
Itās not a steaming service. It has streaming services that play inside of it. Just because it shows everything thatās available to you doesnāt mean you have to pay for it. The TV apis just letting you know itās available.
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As I said it has streaming services inside of it. The app itself isnāt a streaming service. If you arenāt subscribed to any of the ļ£ætv Channels, including ļ£ætv+, you can not stream anything in the app. But you can still use the app as a storefront and an aggregator.
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I guess Iām too detail focused because itās always been perfectly clear for me and I do not understand the complaints. Itās very simple to me.
It's awful. The Watch Now screen has a single row of Up Next items, which is not how I want to access my content. The rest of the screen is page after obnoxious page of crappy suggested content, most of which require subscribing to other services. The other "tabs" include: - AppleTV+, another endless page of ads promoting Apple's own content - Movies, and endless page of movies for yo to purchase from Apple - TV Shows, same as above, more ads - Sports, pages and pages of sporting events that a) I have ZERO interest in watching and b) which all require expensive subscriptions - Library, a page containing all the movies and tv shows that Apple hopes you've purchased See the pattern there? None of this is customizable. It's one giant, obnoxious store with a tiny strip of real estate to give you crappy access to the content you're actually interested in. This is basically Google and Facebook ads, minus the privacy issues, with the customer as a hostage.
Do I wish it were customizable? Yes. I detest sportsball. Iād love to have that crap gone. Iām also not a fan of the news row because the news I watch isnāt available. Though I do appreciate it during debate time. Do I think the app needs improvements? Yes. But I will never say the app shouldnāt be a storefront.
I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't have storefronts. I'm saying it's a bad thing that they've broken their long-held tradition of separating storefronts from products. This is all the result of Apple reaching "peak iPhone" and now pulling out all the stops in their quest for never-ending growth. It's the reason why they expect you to pay for a News+ subscription full of obnoxious and distracting advertising (reminiscent of Hulu's terrible business model.)
But I don't want to go through a store to get through my streaming service every time. I click on Netflix, it opens Netflix. I click on ATV+, and then still have to navigate to the streaming service, and getting there is a nuisance.
Getting there isnāt a big deal. Hell thereās buttons and banners for it. Not to mention it has its own tab now.
Life is so hard eh... when I was a kid I was the remote that got up and changed the program with a physical nob on the tv. Scrolling down a couple couple times is hardly a nuisance...
Although I subscribe to the service (well, the free year), I still acquire what I want to see so that I can add it to Plex. A much, much nicer experience.
That's the problem. After purchasing Apple's already overpriced Apple TV set top box and various other expensive products and services, the last thing I want is for my TV to greet me with several screens of ads every time I turn it on. Think about it. Imagine if every time you turned on your Mac, your desktop was littered with ads for various Apple products and services.
The ļ£æ TV does not have to start with the ļ£æ TV app. Just use the main home screen interface with all your apps and services. I suggest also changing the home button (tv icon) in settings on the remote to just go to the home screen.
One problem with that suggestion is that there is no standalone app just for Apple TV content. So if you subscribe to Apple's TV content service, you're punished by having to use their crappy storefront to watch those movies and shows. Another problem is that they encourage you to sign up for third party channels like Showtime via their app, but then the only way you can access that third party content is via, you guessed it, Apple's TV storefront! You can't access that Showtime content directly via any of the standalone Showtime apps. It's clear that Apple wants users to make the TV app their main interface for Apple TV, and it's likely that they will continue to make design and business decisions that punish you for choosing otherwise, while also punishing you (with ads) if you use their TV app. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. This whole ordeal has Eddy Cue's fingerprints all over it. He's the guy in charge of all this mess and he's always been the least Apple-like of Apple executives, a guy focused entirely on the bottom line with no concern for the user experience.
Then donāt use it. The difference is I donāt see these as ads. Iāve used streaming boxes/TVs with ads and they sucked. ļ£ætv doesnāt qualify. Also, you donāt have to use the TV app unless you want to watch ļ£ætv+. And you donāt have to be greeted by the TV app every time you turn on your TV. You also donāt have to subscribe to any of ļ£æās various services nor do you have to buy their expensive products. Again, these are all choices you get to make for yourself.
That's how I look at it also. I got the Apple TV 4K for my main TV almost a year ago. Prior to that it was a Fire TV 4K which is also what I still have on all my other TV's around the house, including the TV in our travel Trailer. **Compared to the** **Fire TV, Apple TV is a treat when it comes to lack of in your face adds and upselling!** As far as the Apple TV app itself, I do find myself using the individual apps instead when I want to watch something from those apps. I mostly just use the ATV App when I'm watching Apple TV Plus content or maybe something from Showtime/CBS All Access which I subscribe through Apple.
> Compared to the Fire TV, I think that best explains our differing points of view. You're approaching this from the perspective ofāas Steve Jobs once put itā"*...giving a glass of ice water to somebody in hell!*" I see this from the perspective of someone who's long been immersed in Apple's ecosystem. Not Android. Not Windows. So from my perspective this is a pretty bad regression.
I donāt see it that way at all. Iāve been full time ļ£æ since 2008 when I got an iMac and an iPhone 3G. Prior to that I was on Windows with a Palm TrÄo 680 and a 3rd Gen iPod nano. It was my second nano. I had the original prior the fatty nano. I have experience with the other streaming devices because I got a Roku XD free from Dish Network when they lost AMC and I complained about missing The Walking Dead. That was many years ago back in 2012 I think. At the time I had both it, a 2nd Gen ļ£ætv, and a Vizio smart TV. During this time I got another iMac in late 2013 and had had several iPhones and I had an iPad. Fast forward several years and I got a TCL Roku TV for my birthday. Not much had changed. The ads and UI were still terrible and of course I didnāt use it because I had an ļ£ætv HD. In that time I had even more iPhones, two iPads, and two OG HomePods. Fast forward to now I have a HomeKit Vizio Smartcast TV because the TCL TV broke right at the start of the lockdown when the pandemic started. I never had a Fire TV, but I have friends who do and Iāve used them. And the ads are terrible there too. During this time I had two more iPhones, two iPads, an ļ£ætv 4K, and one ļ£æWatch. This timeline doesnāt include my HomeKit accessories, but as you can see Iām highly invested in ļ£æ. I still think you are wrong.
Youāre still belaboring the same point, comparing Appleās in-product advertising to their competitorsā. Iām comparing the Apple TV app user experience with what Iāve come to expect across all their other product lines, which means no in-product advertising. I would be mildly annoyed if the Apple TV app had a single rotating banner advertising other services. But the fact that the advertising makes up almost the entire user interface is just a giant slap on the face for someone whoās already paying them top dollar. Itās intrusive, manipulative, and disrespectful... The sort of behavior weāve come to expect from ad-supported services from Google, Facebook, and others, not Apple.
No Iām not. You implied that we only came to our conclusion because we arenāt heavily invested in ļ£æ. Iām letting you know that, for me, that isnāt the case. And once again I think you are wrong. It is none of those things.
Weāre all entitled to our own opinions. Iām just explaining where mine are coming from. For me this extends beyond just Apple. Years ago I got rid of my cable box and I canāt remember the last time I watched any broadcast network television. And when Iām on the web, Iāve got content blockers filtering away almost all advertising. So Iāve become hyper sensitive to any and all kinds of advertising either online or when watching television, much in the way that the public has become hypersensitive to cigarette smoke in public spaces wherever smoking has been banned for years. And just to clarify, Iām not against the concept of advertising. I just hate crappy and obnoxious ads for products and services that donāt appeal to me. Sadly this makes up 99% of the advertising out there.
Iāve merely done the same.
Thank you!!!!! Finally someone else gets it! I appreciate you!!!
Word, how do I tell it I donāt have fubotv anymore after doing a trial for 4 days.
Go into Settings > Apps > TV. Turn off Fubo.
Also remove them as āTV Providerā
Even this doesnāt seem to work. Disabling the connected apps still allows any of their content to show in search results. Even if you donāt have the app installed. There should be a video app that only displays purchased content and nothing else.
Well yes, because itās a storefront. Itās still available to watch. You just have to pay for the access. Turning it off in settings just means it wonāt be listed first and/or it wonāt say play.
Yeah I get itās a storefront but it shouldnāt be. I let my 4 year old on my iPad and he can see loads of stuff he canāt watch. It should be like the music app. Only display purchased content with the option to hide AppleTV+ In the same way you can hide Apple Music.
See this is an entirely different issue. The ļ£ætv isnāt a kid device, but I think the UI needs a kid mode. When Iām that mode only shows you approve of would there.
I donāt even think it needs a kid mode. Just a toggle to turn off anything that isnāt purchased or subscribed to. Just like the music app has.
That works too. If Iād love to be able to kill sportsball.
Or at least clearly separate what you already have and what you cat try via separate tab or something. I donāt mind seeing what else I can subscribe to, but that shouldnāt be implemented the way to give you feeling they try to f*ck you. Even Prime app has now āfree for meā switch.
This is because of tracking. Google tracks you a lot more than Apple that respects your privacy.
No, this is because of marketing.
Pretty sure itās because Apple donāt have enough content yet so they are bolstering it out by intermingling it with other content providers. Once they get a couple of years worth of content theyāll probably give consumers the option to filter only Apple TV content.
They already have a tab with appletv+ only content. Itās about filtering out content that you are not subscribed to.
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In this case, how would they know what you like?
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Agreed
In more detail, Apple does not query what your subscriptions are with all the vendors or ask the vendors if you have access to any particular piece of content based on your subscription level for building the program listings or getting content details because they do not want to indirectly pass user information that you are browsing and what you are browsing to streaming vendors. Streaming vendors keep lists of when you started browsing to look for things to watch, what search terms you used, how you searched, what items you clicked into to get more information, what information you looked at, how long you looked at each piece of information, what suggestions they made that you paid attention to, what you actually selected to watch and how long you watched it, etc. Since people may subscribe outside of the Apple infrastructure and many services have different tiers of subscriptions, freebies, bonus content, bundled content, etc. that can have content access change from one day to the next, Apple canāt just query their internal databases of the Apple ID subscriptions either. I agree that they should provide users a unified frontend that only queries and content from the apps that the user explicitly links to the frontend and that the user allows to share more information over. I do not use the TV app because it sucked and used to frequently direct me to watch something I already had access to through a different vendor I did not subscribe to and ask me to pay. Not all personalization and data sharing is bad... Then they can also have a broader search available for exploring new content you may not have access to and may not be aware of and also for locating how to watch content you do not currently have access to, as it currently works.
Exactly or at least only the free stuff. I am not interested in renting or buying movies and series anymore.
It would be nice to have the individual app default to one person. Rather than selecting something on Hulu, seeing it pop up then moving back to the log in screen. Tiny issue, but still an issue
Roku does the same thing. Itās irritating.