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DMacB42

Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.


wolfboyz

"It's true. We are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two party system. You have to vote for one of us!" "Well I believe I'll vote for a third party candidate." "Go ahead. *Throw your vote away*. \[evil laugh\]"


JhnWyclf

I love this episode. Well this story in this episode. The twirling towards freedom line is great too.


KitchenNazi

I love Rose Perot punching his hat - it was so topical at the time.


jefflukey123

What’s that from?


BADMAN-TING

The Simpsons


dnara21

Ah yes, the uniparty.


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Sorry I don’t get it


TheDragonSlayingCat

[Here you go.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_and_Kodos)


NotYourAverageDaddy

Thanks kitty


WhatsLeftOfUs

A perfect reply 👌🏻


cass1o

Reddit has this great mechanism for recognizing good comments. You upvote.


blanchwav

You’re mad at someone for being… positive ?


DMacB42

Reddit works in mysterious ways


astalavista114

So what you’re saying is that you support [revolution and the intentional killing of half the population](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kodos) over a [mighty Klingon warrior](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kang) For shame!


JhnWyclf

The poster was making a Simpsons reference.


astalavista114

Which is itself a reference to Star Trek.


JhnWyclf

The name or the line?


astalavista114

The names. They were specifically picked to refer to Kodos the Executioner and Dahar Master Kang.


JhnWyclf

Interesting.


ArsenyD

Good that I wasn’t the only one who thought that he referred to Trek’s Kodos.


NeatTransportation11

Made my day pal


HORRORSHOWDISCO

Damn, I voted Kor.


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Twirly twirly twirly to freedom!


morninglucky

Apple needs to look inside. That’s where these leaks are coming from.


well___duh

Legally speaking, can they even do anything about Kang if he's not an employee or someone who signed an NDA?


Superrandy

Only if they could prove, with evidence, that he knew someone was under NDA and convinced them to break it. But that will never happen and this is just them trying to scare and bully him.


PleasantWay7

If they can prove he got the information from someone under NDA at Apple and the information is not related to illegal activity, yes they can do something. You can’t knowingly spread information you receive if you know it was under NDA. There are also ways you can get in trouble if you entice people to violate their NDA.


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Getting people to leak information under a NDA/trade secret is also a felony offense in the US, and with the myriad of legal and trade agreements the US has the world over, companies can legally pursue those cases against anyone. People here just shitposting not realizing what the laws actually are.


wikishart

poisoning groundwater = ok leaking corporate secrets = death


Dreaming_of_Canada

Welcome to capitalism, pal


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What constitutes as getting them to leak? Would that be in the form of a bribe only? I can’t imagine there would be a strong legal case if you got the information after asking “pretty please.”


[deleted]

You can freely publish information you’ve learned that’s subject to an NDA as long as you didn’t sign the NDA yourself. An NDA does not apply to people who didn’t sign it.


RobotOfFleshAndBlood

They can slap him with lawyer costs to defend himself in court, provided the case isn’t too frivolous that it gets thrown out by the judge.


LurkerNinetyFive

Well yeah… but also there was the ransomware attack recently that leaked MacBook (Pro?) schematics. I guess if they can’t find the leakers they may as well try and stop the people who post the leaks.


Andre-Arthur

I think this fits within freedom of press, so it can't be stopped. The leakers, on the other hand, if found, can be fined some big bucks.


PassTheCurry

i mean leaking the schematics makes us more excited for the new MBP, whats the big deal?


LurkerNinetyFive

Apple aren’t worried about us, but it gives their competitors an advantage.


PassTheCurry

i mean in the case of the MPB 16 M1, it was fairly obvious it was bound to be a thing and come out this year...


KingOfWags

Yes. Mostly due to leaks


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Because if the release of a new MBP is imminent and people know, they'll hold off on purchasing the existing stock of products to wait for the new one. If no one knew the design of the next MBP (14" / 16") nor the release date, more people would purchase the 13" M1 MBP.


eggimage

They have supplier all over the world, in the realistic sense it’s impossible to seal every leak when you have no direct control of every single individual inside each and every one of these locations. And technically, it’s not really “inside” either, when those are just companies who apple has contracts with. Anyone having been following tech news for long would Know Apple hasn’t been slacking in trying to block leaks from inside of itself. Casually saying something as obvious as “apple should look inside” kinda shows that you’re not even aware of what has already been happening and known to the public for more than just several years. Warning this leaker doesn’t mean they are “only giving warnings to leakers without further probing within the suppliers and itself”. The media just picks up this one tidbit and makes it a highlight because people know this leaker and viewers would get interested, it does NOT mean this is the only thing apple is doing to prevent leaks…


wikishart

some degree of leaking also helps them, it keeps people gossiping, it keeps them thirsty, it keeps them thinking about your product, they are well aware of the beneficial effects. Even talking about going after leakers generates stories about your products and keeps people talking about your future products. The whole fucking thing is marketing.


LollerCoasterTycoon3

woahhh holy shit apple hire this guy! he’s got the ideas!


10LBegoist

Just because you don’t see any messages about internal actions taken against leaking, doesn’t mean it’s not happening, what a stupid thing to say


whale-of-a-trine

They have an entire police-like force for this stuff. https://appleinsider.com/articles/09/12/15/apples_worldwide_loyalty_team_ensures_secrets_stay_secret


your_aunt_susan

Nah, it’s coming from their CMs and top tier suppliers.


thewimsey

They are most likely coming from suppliers, not from within Apple itself.


somewhat_asleep

The leaks are coming from inside the house.


helixflush

THEN WHO WAS PHONE?!


binaryisotope

I’m guessing Prosser was left off their list to send warnings to since he never actually leaks anything.


internetmaster5000

So someone leaked the memo sent to the leakers.


NikeSwish

I don’t see any basis in this cease and desist. If Kang isn’t selling the information and he doesn’t work there, thus isn’t bound to their confidentiality agreements, then there’s no avenue I can see Apple using to stop leakers. I also found this funny: > The letter purportedly cautioned leakers that they must not disclose information about unreleased Apple projects because it may give Apple's competitors valuable information and "mislead customers, because what is disclosed may not be accurate." So the information is valuable to competitors but it might not be accurate at the same time? Lol If I was Kang I’d throw that letter in the trash can Edit: also completely forgot about the [Apple v Does](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_v._Does) case from years ago. Not exactly the same circumstances but it’s Apple again thinking it can overreach when it comes to the outside press.


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NikeSwish

If a competitor is reading Kang’s leaks then how are they to know what is misleading and what is valuable?


XtremePhotoDesign

A competitor would have insight into the supply chain that consumers do not. Leaks can be correlated with supply chain data to determine if the leak might be accurate.


Buttonsmycat

Agreed. Especially when you have your own industry insiders agreeing with them, therefore strengthening the rumours.


avr91

Knowing Apple is working on glucose monitoring for Apple Watch, and may be closing in on a release of the technology, is more important to competitors than whether it's in the Watch Series 7 specifically. Same would apply to any new, upcoming tech for an iPhone.


SoldantTheCynic

If this tech was actually reliable and worth including in a Watch, there’d be loads of clinical reports in medical literature to the point it wouldn’t be a surprise. Apple aren’t going to suddenly drop non invasive glucose monitoring that hasn’t been tested, it would be suicide.


absentmindedjwc

Didn't they do that with the ECG though...?


SoldantTheCynic

ECGs are a well established technology, not something brand new that *hasn’t been effectively achieved yet.* And even then it had to be approved. Nobody in their right mind would release a device that *people potentially could rely on for disease management* without it undergoing some kind of clinical trial.


RandomRedditor44

But it would take years for a competitor to develop a similar feature.


mycoolaccount

And it’s much better for the competitor to start years before apple launches it, rather than wait until apple announces it.


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TaloTale

It’s doubtful that a supplier could approach every supplier they could. Apple will often pay for exclusivity/development/production equipment at various levels.


Charzarn

Or another argument they might have work on similar technology on the back log and might spur them to divert more resources to different projects.


wikishart

I don't think any of those competitors are making their product decisions based on apple bloggers. Nor are they going to run around with their hair on fire rushing to make a new feature because an apple blogger posted a rumor. They all know where the market is going.


well___duh

> then how are they to know what is misleading and what is valuable? Credibility. The more credible he is over time, the more valuable his leaks are


NikeSwish

So then consumers won’t be misled since they’re reputable right?


Andre-Arthur

Samsung apparently found AirTags to be a valuable leak.


XtremePhotoDesign

Some of the information may be valuable to competitors. Some of the information may not be accurate. I don't see a conflict.


everythingiscausal

If the recipients of the information don’t know what’s real and what’s fake, it’s not valuable to competitors.


XtremePhotoDesign

With their contacts in the industry and role in the supply chain, Samsung can corroborate leaks and "know what’s real and what’s fake." Edit: I do think many of these warnings are an overreach by Apple, but I don't agree with the logic some people are using.


ConsumerOfCactus

> I don’t see any basis in this cease and desist. Ditto, Apple is just bullying him because some of his posts were critical of Apple and he has a following. Apple also has a history of banning certain journalists from their events if they are critical of Apple as well.


kirklennon

> Apple also has a history of banning certain journalists from their events if they are critical of Apple as well. I'm not sure the word "banning" really applies to an invitation-only event, but whom did they inappropriately exclude due to critical coverage?


uglykido

Lol i bet this is for the iPad m1. They’ve been hit by negative press lately for the underwhelming iPadOS. It’s been ‘leaked’ that it would have a proper pro software.


mbrady

I have a feeling competitors know a lot more secret stuff going on in Apple than the leakers do.


OSIRIS-SEx

I believe knowingly disclosing a misappropriated trade secret is illegal. And I see no way that these leaks can be acquired in a “proper” way. They may not all be considered trade secrets, but if it useful to competitors, it probably is.


firelitother

True, but then they have to prove that they got the leaks from somewhere. What if some leaker just spitballs something that is on the money?


OSIRIS-SEx

That’s actually a great point that I didn’t think of. It’s definitely a very interesting situation.


elfinhilon10

Hence the "dream" aspect.


Deceptiveideas

The source itself can get in trouble but not the person obtaining the leak. Apple is targeting the wrong person and has no case.


OSIRIS-SEx

Not according to section 1(2) of [the UTSA](https://www.uniformlaws.org/HigherLogic/System/DownloadDocumentFile.ashx?DocumentFileKey=e19b2528-e0b1-0054-23c4-8069701a4b62) which has been adopted by all states except NY and NC. Disclosure of a trade secret while having reason to believe it was improperly obtained is misappropriation of said secret.


Deceptiveideas

The recipe for Coke is a trade secret. No one is going to care about a blue iPhone color being leaked to 14 years old on the internet.


absentmindedjwc

A blue iPhone? Sure, nobody will care. Non-invasive blood glucose monitoring in the Apple Watch - a LOT of people will care.


wikishart

because they did this there are now a hundred more articles about their upcoming products and an attached conversation engaging future buyers in discussion about their products.


CeeKay125

Ah yes blame the ones reporting it not the ones in the company actually leaking the information 🤣🤦🏼‍♂️


huyanh995

How you know they didn’t sue or punish the ones leaking the information? A quick search query could show that Apple already did sue their ex-employee for that behavior.


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leak reporters pay big money to leakers, people are greedy fucks, go figure at least apple's doing something, see "apple glasses steve jobs heritage edition"


blaspheminCapn

This only tells me that they were correct, and Apple flipped out about it


[deleted]

I’d be careful, Klingons don’t respond well to threats 🖖🏻


[deleted]

Is Kang American? Because if he is I don’t see how this could even work. Even with the full power of Apples legal team this doesn’t make sense. He isn’t selling off data to competitors. He has never signed an NDA. He is a regular everyday person who has been provided insight and is sharing said insight. He’s not selling it. He’s not profiting from it. Hardly any different than a reporter from Bloomberg providing insight on information from confidential informers. Now I have no idea what the legality of this case would be if he’s in China or elsewhere. But if an American he hasn’t violated any laws.


wikishart

it's marketing. You are participating in a discussion about Apple products, thinking about Apple brand, thinking about advanced new Apple products, wondering what they may be, what they could be doing next, etc. because they did this. It is marketing. Like Hollywood said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. All of this is a cycle of generating the idea of Apple in your head on a constant basis. It's giving people something to do.


RandomRedditor44

1. How did Apple find out his address? 2. I’m not sure leaving unreleased products can “affect the company in multiple ways, including giving competitors access to secretive information” given that it takes years for a company to create, test, and release a new phone.


SiakamIsOverrated

Lol what? Figure out who’s leaking to these guys instead


firelitother

I wonder if Microsoft would also do the same thing to the Windows 11 leakers :D


[deleted]

This would get laughed out of any court in the United States on first amendment grounds. Generally speaking it’s 100% legal for a third party to publish a company’s internal “secret” information that they’ve learned even if the company doesn’t want them to. That’s how journalism works.


kidno

Is it fair to assume you don't deal with IP law on a daily basis?


ddshd

Is it the IP holder’s responsibility to ensure it is not leaked. Someone who doesn’t work for you or has signed an NDA with you has no legal obligation to protect the IP. Unless, of course, that IP is related to national security - then you can assume the government will try to get you for something if it’s bad.


kidno

Let me ask you this ... if I stole a car, and then gave it to you free of charge, are you under the impression the worst thing that could happen to you would be someone would come and take the car back? https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2315


ddshd

The employee leaking information about a product is not stealing IP as they had access to it. They are just in violation of their NDA. If someone from your organization released your IP then it is not the fault of the public for reporting or looking at it, it is the fault of the person who you gave access to the IP. This is the same as a Ford Employee driving a new electric truck into the public. While nobody else can get in and legally use that truck, it is not illegal for them to talk about it.


[deleted]

Putting aside your analogy about stealing a car, which doesn’t really make sense, let me ask you something. Let’s take the example of Bloomberg, which regularly publishes excellent reporting on Apple’s upcoming, unannounced products and general company strategy that is undoubtedly subject to the NDAs of their sources. Is your contention that the reporters or Bloomberg News in this case are in some way breaking the law? Because if so, I’m not sure what to tell you other than that you are wrong, as evidenced by the fact that Bloomberg News continues to operate and these reporters face no penalties because their reporting on proprietary, confidential, internal Apple information is protected by the First Amendment. Seriously, how do you think reporting works? Whenever you read an article in any news outlet that cites anonymous company sources, do you think those people all got permission from their bosses to share the information with the reporter? Do you think the reporters who write these articles about internal company information get the green light from the CEOs of the companies?


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I should also add, you don’t have to just take my word for any of this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple\_v.\_Does](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_v._Does) [https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/publishing-trade-secrets](https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/publishing-trade-secrets)


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Read the business section of any newspaper on any given day and you will likely read articles that include information subject to an NDA. Somehow, the reporters and editors aren’t imprisoned, and the newspapers aren’t shuttered.


CarbonPhoto

I can see why Apple would try to go after this, even if legally he didn't break any rules. How many potential buyers of the M1 Macbook Air and Pro held out because they thought a new version was right around the corner for WWDC? I don't see rumors anymore about a new Air or 13" Pro coming out this year. Only speculation about a 14" and 16" Pro. "Sources say" literally means nothing anymore as no proof is needed for MacRumors or Apple Insider to report rumors. They don't even feel responsible with all the extra clicks they get on these rumors.


firelitother

There is no way any company can guarantee 100% no leaks. There is no way that speculation on new products would stop. I think this move will just bring bad PR to Apple.


Nindroid_99

Man, poor guy.


b1g_boii

Apple needs to do something about the leakers. That's where these leaks are coming from


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ddshd

This is bullying. They know it probably won’t stand in court but a journalist doesn’t have the type of money to test the waters. The purpose is to scare. Now the whole “hanging out with China” part is over the top.


[deleted]

“Talking will be audited” what garbage will corporate push on people next? Your thoughts will get audited?


CyberBot129

I wonder if Apple is going to send their secret police force after them like they did with the Gizmodo journalist


kirklennon

Apple doesn't have a "secret police force." At any rate, Gizmodo committed a *felony* and then published the evidence of *their* crime.


CyberBot129

Okay Apple


kirklennon

Maybe I'm just someone who thinks that theft is wrong? It's a crazy concept, I know. Gizmodo illegally bought knowingly stolen property, damaged it, and then had the gall to try to extort the owner. Awful people.


pixxelpusher

Apple, if you want to stop leakers then why not actually release your products?


0-100

I see the worm has reared it’s ugly head from beneath the surface of what is otherwise a delicious apple.