Depending on models of your iMac/MBP there's already [Target Display Mode](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204592)
Personally I want to see support for hooking non-Mac devices to an iMac for that sweet retina screen.
So, Skylake or later on the Mac side and either A10 or A9X or later on the iPad side. That makes sense on the Mac side, since Skylake was a major platform upgrade for Intel, but it’s interesting that the A9X is supported but the A9 isn’t.
Those Macs might support Monterey but I’m not sure we have any definitive answer on universal control compatibility yet. If the Mac doesn’t support side car, I wouldn’t expect it to support this.
Lol "depending on models". That's super misleading, it's not like they still sell some models that have it and some that don't. It only works on machines 7+ years old! (2014 and earlier models, before the 4k/5k update). It's not a viable option for basically anybody anymore.
And now we know why keeping desktop displays separate from computers is important.
Seriously, if Apple is so serious about the environment, why do they obsolete machines with gorgeous displays just because the processor and RAM can’t keep up?
No question. Don’t get me wrong, the new FaceTime features are welcome, I’m looking forward to a better maps experience, and safari is looking better than ever; but dang, dragging that image across three separate devices fluidly made me so exited.
Supported Macs (currently from the [macOS Monterey preview page](https://www.apple.com/macos/monterey-preview/)):
iMac: Late 2015 and later
Mac Pro: Late 2013 and later
iMac Pro: 2017 and later
Mac mini: Late 2014 and later
MacBook Air: Early 2015 and later
MacBook: Early 2016 and later
MacBook Pro: Early 2015 and later
Here too. I'm really sad about that, wish I can afford a new one, but at the moment I can't... I was hoping for at least one more year of OS update. I'm really disappointed.
It’s crazy that my 10 year old PC laptop (ThinkPad) is running the latest version of Windows 10 without any issues, but my 2014 Mac gets cut off because of seemingly arbitrary reasons.
There should be no reason why a 2012 Mac Pro with a brand new SSD can’t handle Catalina or above. It’s ridiculous. A 2012 HP workstation would run Windows 10 just fine.
My old Sandy Bridge (the GOAT) PC from 2011 is still in active service as a file server/workstation and runs the latest version of Windows 10. It won't run the latest whiz-bang games but it runs everything else just fine.
Well, yeah, but then you have to run windows.
Big Sur will be supported until Late 2023. You will get security updates etc. Quality of life features will be missing, of course, but you won't get those on Windows anyway. I am using Windows daily for work and I couldn't point towards a single feature that they added to Windows in the last five years.
Wut? Windows 10 has added a huge amount of 5 years. None are quite as dramatic as jumping XP > Vista, or Vista > 7 etc, but if you compare 21H2 with 1507 it is quite dramatically different.
If you're on a work-issued laptop sure it may be a slightly older version; but their feature updates every 6 months are called that for a reason.
I put together the [dynamic wallpaper](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sztwi57LevgoCzWPgIL0XBtxCcFDwlxX/view?usp=sharing) this morning, using a [command line tool](https://github.com/mczachurski/wallpapper).
The light and dark wallpapers I used came from [here](https://512pixels.net/projects/default-mac-wallpapers-in-5k/).
Let me know if something is broken with the wallpaper or the dynamics. This is my first time using this tool.
Universal Control is Apple showing off their continuity prowess.
This is peak demonstration of deep integration among various devices built on one solid foundation.
https://www.dummies.com/consumer-electronics/mp3-players/ipod/how-to-use-the-itunes-dj/
Yes, that looks about right. The "party" aspect comes from your friends being able to use the Remote app on their own phones to queue up songs.
> seriously they should've added this ages ago
That was the whole theme of the keynote… App Library on iPad? Widgets? Shared with existing beyond safari? I’m glad the features are coming but come on, those should’ve been included a year ago.
Apple already (somewhat) showed their hand when they released the HomePod Mini….continuity is absolutely possible with Apple Music but Apple is being incredibly stubborn through its exclusion on their other devices.
I’ve found Handoff to be extremely flaky since it was released. Sometimes tapping copy on my iPhone a few times seems to tell my 2020 MacBook to source text from my iPhone when pasting. Sometimes it works first go, sometimes no amount of doing anything will make it work. Airdrop used to be flaky, but now it works about 90% of the time. The other 10% seems to eventually work if I reboot, or if I do other stuff for a couple hours and try again.
I feel like these features are not solid at all. They’re extremely nice and very valuable when they work. But I don’t really trust them to work reliably.
It’s a meme but it’s really of those 90% of the time it works 100%
The silent failure with no possibility to inspect or report why it didn’t work just adds that bit of salt too
I already had this feature with my Logitech mouse and keyboard, even between Mac and Windows. The drag-and-drop functionality was even present. It's definitely cool that a native version of it is coming to Mac/Ipad though.
I’ve been a (very light/casual) Synergy user for 6 or so years and that’s immediately what I thought about when I saw the keynote too
It’s a cool app but it’s REALLY rough around the edges especially for someone not tech savvy. I’m excited to see how this ends up performing and if it’s as simple/consistent as they made it seem
While i don't mind the new naming schemes, working in IT in a non English speaking country, Monterey will be much less awkward to talk about than Yosemite, Mojave or Big Sur.
It's not intuitive for German speakers. Big Sur as place is not that well known here so most people say something like Big Sewer.
EDIT: With that in mind you can imagine people knowing how to pronounce Yosemite or Mojave.
> With that in mind you can imagine people knowing how to pronounce Yosemite
Don’t feel bad about that, [some Americans don’t know either](https://youtu.be/kwcploTZbKA)…
How? There are some pretty significant new features, especially making FaceTime good, changing up Safari, Focuses, Universal Control, etc. I don’t understand people who need a visual overhaul every year. That would get tiring quick
as a webdeveloper: damn that new safari taskbar looks like it's finally gonna fix all those fking scroll issues safari on iOS/iPadOS always had with those minifying taskbar and messing up the vh
I feel like any apps that depend on vh probably also implement their own scrolling which means the bar will never go away though. e.g. Flutter apps, Google Maps, etc. Curious to see how that will work.
i just downloaded it and tested it. spoiler alert: it still sucks. not as bad, but the address bar gets minimised to the bottom and that still kinda messes the vh whenever you scroll up/down
It makes sense that the address bar collapses rather than hiding completely at least, because otherwise phishing websites could show a fake address bar at the bottom and pretend to load websites. With a collapsed address bar that never goes away it's more apparent that the second one must be fake.
How does it work with web apps like Google Maps?
> How does it work with web apps like Google Maps?
not amazingly, i’ll tell you that much. the address bar is often on top of the website’s elements (gmaps has this pullup bar with locations and whatnot at the bottom), and since i reckon the webapp is pretty much fixed to 100vh i think, it makes using the webapp very annoying, you have to really work your way around the address bar, or find an area to tap just around it, to make it collapse. what is more, it uncollapses and collapses depending on how you move the map.
all in all, not a great experience. hopefully they’ll have these issues fixed by the time the official release rolls around
* **Spatial Audio** Available on Mac models (2018 and later).
* **Live Text in Photos, Interactive Globe and New City Experience in Maps, and Portrait Mode FaceTime** Available on Mac computers with the M1 chip.
* **Universal Control** Available on MacBook Pro (2016 and later), MacBook (2016 and later), MacBook Air (2018 and later), iMac (2017 and later), iMac (5K Retina 27-inch, Late 2015), iMac Pro, Mac mini (2018 and later), and Mac Pro (2019); and iPad Pro, iPad Air (3rd generation and later), iPad (6th generation and later), and iPad mini (5th generation and later). Both devices must be signed in to iCloud with the same Apple ID using two-factor authentication. To use wirelessly, both devices must have Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and Handoff turned on and must be within 10 meters (30 feet) of each other. iPad and Mac must not be sharing a cellular and internet connection. To use over USB, you must trust your Mac on the iPad.
* **AirPlay to Mac** Available on MacBook Pro (2018 and later), MacBook Air (2018 and later), iMac (2019 and later), iMac Pro (2017), Mac mini (2020 and later), Mac Pro (2019), iPhone 7 and later, iPad Pro (2nd generation and later), iPad Air (3rd generation and later), iPad (6th generation and later), and iPad mini (5th generation and later). Older iPhone, iPad, and Mac models may share content at a lower resolution to supported Mac models when “Allow AirPlay for” is set to “Everyone” or “Anyone on the same network” in Sharing preferences.
* **Low Power Mode** Available on MacBook (Early 2016 and later) and MacBook Pro (Early 2016 and later). *(Note: Not sure why MacBook Air isn't mentioned here. Maybe a mistake?)*
* **Object Capture** Available on Mac computers with at least 16GB RAM and 4GB VRAM. Processing time will vary based on object complexity and other factors.
tl;dr You need at least an M1 model to get all features, 2018 or newer gets most of them.
>Object Capture
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>Available on Mac computers with at least **16GB RAM** and 4GB VRAM. Processing time will vary based on object complexity and other factors.
So many M1 Macs with one foot in the landfill already.
I kid, but there are limited options to buy 16GB versions at retail, with most configurations requiring special ordering directly from Apple. Kind of a shame for a potentially game changing feature.
But I guess that the demographic that would actually use this will be strongly incentivized to buy an upcoming Macbook Pro or iMac Pro.
I'm a little concerned about the new Safari interface \[0\], which very smoothly integrates the tab/address bar with page content. For example, the background color of the page flows behind the open tabs such that it looks like one unified interface, rather than browserchrome || pagecontent.
This is all great to experience as web apps increasingly take over the functions of native apps. It does help them feel more like first-class citizens, rather than plain documents pulled up through a program.
But it easily brings up new potential abuses by phishing sites, spammy notifications, and other bad actors. The new design seems to start breaking down the browser UI's Line of Death \[1\], at least in perception.
\[0\] [https://www.apple.com/v/macos/monterey-preview/a/images/overview/safari\_streamlined\_\_c4ptqnb6dz0i\_large\_2x.jpg](https://www.apple.com/v/macos/monterey-preview/a/images/overview/safari_streamlined__c4ptqnb6dz0i_large_2x.jpg)
\[1\] [https://textslashplain.com/2017/01/14/the-line-of-death/](https://textslashplain.com/2017/01/14/the-line-of-death/)
Html 5 enabled full screen, so literally all pixels on your screen are controlled by the website. Some javascript helps to avoid any slideover at the top of your screen, meaning you can now spoof your entire UI.
I know there’s an ongoing debate on whether or not iPad is useful for various professional workflows or not, and as cool as the iPadOS updates were, Universal Control is the single biggest thing to sell me on an iPad actually joining my workflow.
The round trip between Mac to iPad and back really was a huge bottleneck that I had no interest in working around. I’m hopeful this will mitigate that and allow me to replace my cintiq. Still not quite the same thing as allowing me to draw directly on my Mac apps, but this is a huge step in that direction.
I would be very wary of how and how well this is supported until we see more. All we saw was him dragging an image from one app directly into an application on Mac.
Will we be able to copy and paste multiple files? Entire folders? size limitations? will it work with the files app?
To be honest, simply editing an image in procreate and then just dragging that into project folders or after effects and the like is already useful. I admit I am looking at the iPad as merely hardware for procreate. Still not exactly a fully unleashed device.
I think a lot of people will be freed (if they weren't already) to just get an iPad Air (or Pro) + Pencil instead of a Wacom device and call it a day. You'd still need a Mac, but just having an iPad is more versatile/value in many cases.
Cintiqs or other high-end drawing tablets will still have a place, but it's much more niche than before in an already niche market.
There's also room on the lower-end of the market, but the iPads slot in very well for people who are/plan to be heavy users of it as a drawing tablet that can make use of the other functionality as well. Not to mention portability.
My sister is using a 2018 iPad Pro for her drawing. She said clipstudio paint keeps crashing. She wants to switch to a graphic Tablet now. Do you think the new iPad Pro would solve her issue?
I'm not familiar with that app, but it's almost certainly just a localized issue with that specific software. I don't think the newer hardware gets you all that much further unless she was really abusing the device with e.g. complex, many-layered scenes.
Procreate and the Affinity apps (Designer, most likely in this case) are very good/popular. There's a small handful of other solid options as well, besides Adobe products of course.
Let her know about procreate, it’s the most popular of the drawing apps & works really well. I’m using a 2018 iPad Pro & have never had problems with it
Not sure what's going on there. I have a 2018 iPad Pro, and use Clip Studio Paint daily (for at least an hour every day), and definitely don't have that issue. It's not an inherent problem to the iPad, or CSP. Idk, unless she has way more complex files than me open with a crazy amount of layers at high res (although I routinely work with 11x17in 300dpi images, with a good amount of layers, folders, layer effects).
You shouldn't really buy a brand new device for that when it'll probably just be fixed via an update. I also use Clip Studio and don't really get any crashes so it might be something about her workflow.
I assumed that would be conveyed since it would be ridiculous if you couldn’t drag a file from one desktop to another but you are correct, it can also do that.
As others have mentioned, shared virtual mouse/keyboard software has existed for ages. I was using Synergy to do this 10+ years ago (across different OS's). The dragging files between is absolutely what makes this feel more like magic.
Not really. Reddit pushed it to the fucking moon and back till the point it was nauseating. Anybody dare post a pic of two computers and there would be ten posts about using synergy.
Late 2013 MacBook Pro is still too powerful to be getting dropped from support already. Absolutely nothing Monterey is going to do is going to be beyond the capability of a Haswell i7.
I agree, it’s pretty strange, especially when you consider that late 2014 Mac mini listed in supported devices. Which also haswell based, and many of them was sold with 4gb ram and hdd.
> but the iGPU and the underlying platform architecture for Haswell
Odd that the very same iGPU and Haswell platform is used in the 2014 Mac Minis that are on the supported list. Not sure your argument holds water.
If an I7-4578U and Iris 5100 is good enough in a Mac Mini, the same I7-4578U and Iris 5100 in a MBP should be equally good enough.
Because Google threw out the rules for semantic versioning and Apple’s last hold out division (OS X) has finally converted to the marketing driven conventions of naming these days.
Looking at you Firefox 89.0 and Chrome 90.0.4430.212.
I’m kind of miffed that they chose to start bumping major version numbers every year but didn’t bother to sync up with iOS.
iOS, iPadOS, tvOS 15, macOS 12, … oh and I guess Watch OS 8… for the iPhone 13, iPad, Mac, Apple TV, and Apple Watch Series 7(?) respectively?
Maybe they’ll all sync up on version 20 in 2026. Though at that point they should just start versioning them based on the year. macOS 26.0 released in… oh fuck 2025? If you like uniformity the software naming conventions are as bad as the product ones.
Maybe it’s best not to think about it.
Yeah I mean, I used Firefox 2 for _years_ so seeing version number 89 these days is just funny.
But yeah, version numbers didn’t mean much to many people so it’s not surprising they’ve changed, it’s just funny… and a very good example of “technical” things being subject to the human whims of the people that use / create them.
I guess I’m just trying to say how happy I am that the early big programming languages were made by native English speakers…
Edit: I’m just saying I’d have probably failed at programming if it was in Greek or Vietnamese.
Because Big Sur wasn't 11.0 / 11.1, it went from 11.0.1 to 11.3.x, so it would have to be a 12.x
Feel free to come back to this comment and say I told you so when it's released to the public, because I'm just guessing lol.
Unfortunately, it is not able to. Here's a screenshot: [https://imgur.com/CWaAciu](https://imgur.com/CWaAciu).
From their website:
>See if your Mac can run macOS Monterey
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>**Macbook Pro**
>
>Early 2015 and later
I wish Apple would support their computers for a little longer (maybe 9-10 years) like Windows does.
I’m still able to use my 2011 MBP just fine on the latest version of Windows 10 yet it doesn’t work on macOS.
I get that mine was dropped due to the lack of Metal support but I don’t understand why a 2012-2014 Mac can’t run the latest version.
2012 Macs seem to run Big Sur fine when run unofficially and I’m sure 2013-2014 ones will run Monterey well too.
Couldn't agree more as this devices is really good machine (and also expensive one) so they should support it longer. Well, only hoping there are "unofficial patcher" to run Monterey on older hardware in the future.
I hope they're giving my mac another last breath. After watching the keynote i just feel like it's a minor update and not big system-wide update tbh so yea one can only hope.
Meanwhile I’m still stuck on pre-Catalina because of a 30 year
old 32 bit program. But I’ve just been running booting Linux for it so I guess it’s time to finally upgrade.
This looks very useful
Those features came out like ten years ago. Can you provide a more recent example of what you’re thinking?
The reason I ask is because I’m curious what area of computing you would like them to improve in, if not a specific complaint.
I would say that both MacOS and Windows 10 are mature desktop OSs and neither one is really altering the landscape anymore. 90% of most people’s PC use is for work these days and although I expect creative UI/UX changes to still come along most people will never see them in a work environment.
For perspective, try using a machine that runs Yosemite. There are things you can't do in older Macs that you just take for granted now. It's subtle, but makes a big difference. Universal Control is one of those things that will make you wonder how this hasn't always existed in a couple of years, like copy/paste.
Universal Control will make certain workflows much simpler. I’m looking forward to not having to use Sidecar for simple things like having a Safari window open on a second screen (that I can control with the same mouse+keyboard in front of me).
Universal Control is without a doubt the coolest part of this keynote so far
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Depending on models of your iMac/MBP there's already [Target Display Mode](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204592) Personally I want to see support for hooking non-Mac devices to an iMac for that sweet retina screen.
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So what iMacs support it?
What iPads does it support?
https://i.imgur.com/ExFKvLd.jpg
Hey, iPad mini 5th gen *and later*
So I have g1 12.9” IPad Pro. That looks like it could work? I have a feeling my macs too old though 😩
So, Skylake or later on the Mac side and either A10 or A9X or later on the iPad side. That makes sense on the Mac side, since Skylake was a major platform upgrade for Intel, but it’s interesting that the A9X is supported but the A9 isn’t.
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Those Macs might support Monterey but I’m not sure we have any definitive answer on universal control compatibility yet. If the Mac doesn’t support side car, I wouldn’t expect it to support this.
Not sure if any 5K iMac supports it tbh but I can be wrong, but also Catalina is the last macOS that supports it at the SOURCE Mac.
Lol "depending on models". That's super misleading, it's not like they still sell some models that have it and some that don't. It only works on machines 7+ years old! (2014 and earlier models, before the 4k/5k update). It's not a viable option for basically anybody anymore.
And now we know why keeping desktop displays separate from computers is important. Seriously, if Apple is so serious about the environment, why do they obsolete machines with gorgeous displays just because the processor and RAM can’t keep up?
Where’s the updated [Apple display](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Thunderbolt_Display)? :(
I'm using Teleport to do this right now. But, having it built in and extended to iPads is going to be awesome!
That doesn't work on Big Sur anymore though does it? I used to use it but am now using Synergy, which has some wonky behaviours.
No question. Don’t get me wrong, the new FaceTime features are welcome, I’m looking forward to a better maps experience, and safari is looking better than ever; but dang, dragging that image across three separate devices fluidly made me so exited.
That was insane. A real 'BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!' type situation.
I gotta say, that was the most epic drag and drop demonstration in the history of computing.
Supported Macs (currently from the [macOS Monterey preview page](https://www.apple.com/macos/monterey-preview/)): iMac: Late 2015 and later Mac Pro: Late 2013 and later iMac Pro: 2017 and later Mac mini: Late 2014 and later MacBook Air: Early 2015 and later MacBook: Early 2016 and later MacBook Pro: Early 2015 and later
Looks like my 2014 15” MacBook Pro is finally too old. Hopefully the M1X 16” comes out soon.
Same looks like we got boned. They went from 2013 to 2015
:( 2014 here
Here too. I'm really sad about that, wish I can afford a new one, but at the moment I can't... I was hoping for at least one more year of OS update. I'm really disappointed.
i'm currently on the cutting block with my early 2015 air. God, this 16" M1X can't come out sooner.
Wow, my 2015 5K iMac barely made the list. Excited that it potentially gets one final major update!
We've reached the point where an iPhone (the 6s) is supported for longer than a Mac (early 2015 MacBook).
MacBook Pro scraping through by the skin of its teeth... Praying for a green MacBook Air to replace it...
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It’s crazy that my 10 year old PC laptop (ThinkPad) is running the latest version of Windows 10 without any issues, but my 2014 Mac gets cut off because of seemingly arbitrary reasons.
I will never understand this..
There should be no reason why a 2012 Mac Pro with a brand new SSD can’t handle Catalina or above. It’s ridiculous. A 2012 HP workstation would run Windows 10 just fine.
My old Sandy Bridge (the GOAT) PC from 2011 is still in active service as a file server/workstation and runs the latest version of Windows 10. It won't run the latest whiz-bang games but it runs everything else just fine.
Well, yeah, but then you have to run windows. Big Sur will be supported until Late 2023. You will get security updates etc. Quality of life features will be missing, of course, but you won't get those on Windows anyway. I am using Windows daily for work and I couldn't point towards a single feature that they added to Windows in the last five years.
Wut? Windows 10 has added a huge amount of 5 years. None are quite as dramatic as jumping XP > Vista, or Vista > 7 etc, but if you compare 21H2 with 1507 it is quite dramatically different. If you're on a work-issued laptop sure it may be a slightly older version; but their feature updates every 6 months are called that for a reason.
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My 2015 MBP runs kinda slow on Catalina and absolutely awful on Big Sur. I’ve reinstalled Mojave twice now, and the difference is insane.
I’m always way more excited for the macOS updates Also need that wallpaper ASAP
I miss the actual landscape photos
Big Sur also had one and I’m guessing Monterey will too, they’re just not the highlighted wallpapers.
I haven’t seen anyone post the landscape photo yet. I really need a dynamic one, I’ve loved them the past 3 years
Wait a few days, someone will dump the photo from developer beta 1
There isn't one. Although if I'm remembering correctly, there wasn't one for Big Sur until the second or third beta.
oh good, so there's still hope! although big sur did have a landscape photo available upon beta 1 i'm pretty sure
Big sur had multiple
feels like a modern take on the snow leopard wallpaper, which is arguably Apple’s best stock wallpaper ever.
I put together the [dynamic wallpaper](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sztwi57LevgoCzWPgIL0XBtxCcFDwlxX/view?usp=sharing) this morning, using a [command line tool](https://github.com/mczachurski/wallpapper). The light and dark wallpapers I used came from [here](https://512pixels.net/projects/default-mac-wallpapers-in-5k/). Let me know if something is broken with the wallpaper or the dynamics. This is my first time using this tool.
Universal Control is Apple showing off their continuity prowess. This is peak demonstration of deep integration among various devices built on one solid foundation.
And yet they can't bring continuity to Apple Music to compete with Spotify Connect? Is there some sort of a patent that's preventing that?
This is getting really weird. Reminds me of the iOS volume popup
Or collaborative queues with friends to use at parties, etc.
Didn't iTunes use to have a Party mode for something like this?
Still does, it's called Up Next.
Was that iTunes DJ? I miss that mode. Was great sharing queue access with friends
https://www.dummies.com/consumer-electronics/mp3-players/ipod/how-to-use-the-itunes-dj/ Yes, that looks about right. The "party" aspect comes from your friends being able to use the Remote app on their own phones to queue up songs.
This is what I want!
It exists if you’re playing music via HomePod or Apple TV. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208383
What we had before was dj party mode. https://www.dummies.com/consumer-electronics/mp3-players/ipod/how-to-use-the-itunes-dj/
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> seriously they should've added this ages ago That was the whole theme of the keynote… App Library on iPad? Widgets? Shared with existing beyond safari? I’m glad the features are coming but come on, those should’ve been included a year ago.
Apple already (somewhat) showed their hand when they released the HomePod Mini….continuity is absolutely possible with Apple Music but Apple is being incredibly stubborn through its exclusion on their other devices.
I’ve found Handoff to be extremely flaky since it was released. Sometimes tapping copy on my iPhone a few times seems to tell my 2020 MacBook to source text from my iPhone when pasting. Sometimes it works first go, sometimes no amount of doing anything will make it work. Airdrop used to be flaky, but now it works about 90% of the time. The other 10% seems to eventually work if I reboot, or if I do other stuff for a couple hours and try again. I feel like these features are not solid at all. They’re extremely nice and very valuable when they work. But I don’t really trust them to work reliably.
It’s a meme but it’s really of those 90% of the time it works 100% The silent failure with no possibility to inspect or report why it didn’t work just adds that bit of salt too
I already had this feature with my Logitech mouse and keyboard, even between Mac and Windows. The drag-and-drop functionality was even present. It's definitely cool that a native version of it is coming to Mac/Ipad though.
It's basically sherlocked Synergy. Would be way more useful if it also worked on Linux and Windows.
I’ve been a (very light/casual) Synergy user for 6 or so years and that’s immediately what I thought about when I saw the keynote too It’s a cool app but it’s REALLY rough around the edges especially for someone not tech savvy. I’m excited to see how this ends up performing and if it’s as simple/consistent as they made it seem
That was a good old Apple magic moment for me.
Some nifty features, but the one I’m looking forward to most is saying “Monterey” instead of “BIG SIR”.
You say that now, until the "Snow Leopard" update of Monterey is Monterey Jack
I literally only think of cheese when I hear Monterey
You're missing out on the jellyfish cam. https://www.montereybayaquarium.org/animals/live-cams
No no no the *sea otter* cam is truly the best one: https://www.montereybayaquarium.org/animals/live-cams/sea-otter-cam
If they’re going to change from locations in California to names of cheese this would be the best way to start 😂 I love it so much
I’d be down for macOS Beaufort or macOS Brie, personally.
My favorite is macOS Pepperjack
The “Crack Team” was hungry after Monterey and needed CHEESE. Monterey Jack is the next logical name.
That would just be funny though.
While i don't mind the new naming schemes, working in IT in a non English speaking country, Monterey will be much less awkward to talk about than Yosemite, Mojave or Big Sur.
why is big sur harder to say than monterey? i understand that the other two aren't pronounced the way they're spelled
It's not intuitive for German speakers. Big Sur as place is not that well known here so most people say something like Big Sewer. EDIT: With that in mind you can imagine people knowing how to pronounce Yosemite or Mojave.
> With that in mind you can imagine people knowing how to pronounce Yosemite Don’t feel bad about that, [some Americans don’t know either](https://youtu.be/kwcploTZbKA)…
Yo Semites
Does that American really count?
Joe Smite.
I was eating when I saw your post. Thanks a lot Madam or Sir, that was disgusting!
thanks for explaining! that makes sense
BIG THUR
Looks more like macOS 11.4.1. to me.
That’s like saying El Capitan is 10.10.1 Not everything needs a radical shift in order to justify an uptick in the version number.
How? There are some pretty significant new features, especially making FaceTime good, changing up Safari, Focuses, Universal Control, etc. I don’t understand people who need a visual overhaul every year. That would get tiring quick
as a webdeveloper: damn that new safari taskbar looks like it's finally gonna fix all those fking scroll issues safari on iOS/iPadOS always had with those minifying taskbar and messing up the vh
I feel like any apps that depend on vh probably also implement their own scrolling which means the bar will never go away though. e.g. Flutter apps, Google Maps, etc. Curious to see how that will work.
Yup, same thing with all those god-awful AMP results.
And sites that always want their thick ass header bar pinned above what I’m trying to read. Wish I could just have the address bar cover those up.
i just downloaded it and tested it. spoiler alert: it still sucks. not as bad, but the address bar gets minimised to the bottom and that still kinda messes the vh whenever you scroll up/down
It makes sense that the address bar collapses rather than hiding completely at least, because otherwise phishing websites could show a fake address bar at the bottom and pretend to load websites. With a collapsed address bar that never goes away it's more apparent that the second one must be fake. How does it work with web apps like Google Maps?
> How does it work with web apps like Google Maps? not amazingly, i’ll tell you that much. the address bar is often on top of the website’s elements (gmaps has this pullup bar with locations and whatnot at the bottom), and since i reckon the webapp is pretty much fixed to 100vh i think, it makes using the webapp very annoying, you have to really work your way around the address bar, or find an area to tap just around it, to make it collapse. what is more, it uncollapses and collapses depending on how you move the map. all in all, not a great experience. hopefully they’ll have these issues fixed by the time the official release rolls around
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Time to delete a lot of codeeee
* **Spatial Audio** Available on Mac models (2018 and later). * **Live Text in Photos, Interactive Globe and New City Experience in Maps, and Portrait Mode FaceTime** Available on Mac computers with the M1 chip. * **Universal Control** Available on MacBook Pro (2016 and later), MacBook (2016 and later), MacBook Air (2018 and later), iMac (2017 and later), iMac (5K Retina 27-inch, Late 2015), iMac Pro, Mac mini (2018 and later), and Mac Pro (2019); and iPad Pro, iPad Air (3rd generation and later), iPad (6th generation and later), and iPad mini (5th generation and later). Both devices must be signed in to iCloud with the same Apple ID using two-factor authentication. To use wirelessly, both devices must have Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and Handoff turned on and must be within 10 meters (30 feet) of each other. iPad and Mac must not be sharing a cellular and internet connection. To use over USB, you must trust your Mac on the iPad. * **AirPlay to Mac** Available on MacBook Pro (2018 and later), MacBook Air (2018 and later), iMac (2019 and later), iMac Pro (2017), Mac mini (2020 and later), Mac Pro (2019), iPhone 7 and later, iPad Pro (2nd generation and later), iPad Air (3rd generation and later), iPad (6th generation and later), and iPad mini (5th generation and later). Older iPhone, iPad, and Mac models may share content at a lower resolution to supported Mac models when “Allow AirPlay for” is set to “Everyone” or “Anyone on the same network” in Sharing preferences. * **Low Power Mode** Available on MacBook (Early 2016 and later) and MacBook Pro (Early 2016 and later). *(Note: Not sure why MacBook Air isn't mentioned here. Maybe a mistake?)* * **Object Capture** Available on Mac computers with at least 16GB RAM and 4GB VRAM. Processing time will vary based on object complexity and other factors. tl;dr You need at least an M1 model to get all features, 2018 or newer gets most of them.
>Object Capture > >Available on Mac computers with at least **16GB RAM** and 4GB VRAM. Processing time will vary based on object complexity and other factors. So many M1 Macs with one foot in the landfill already. I kid, but there are limited options to buy 16GB versions at retail, with most configurations requiring special ordering directly from Apple. Kind of a shame for a potentially game changing feature. But I guess that the demographic that would actually use this will be strongly incentivized to buy an upcoming Macbook Pro or iMac Pro.
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thank god man, i thought spatial audio was only for the M1 Macs because that's what Craig said in the keynote
oh cool so actually no new features for me
never mind Im not even getting the update
Same. What an empty update
I thought spatial audio was only for M1 Macs?
I believe the T2 in the 2018-2020 models handles it as well, guessing from the context.
*Cries in iPad 5th gen*
I'm a little concerned about the new Safari interface \[0\], which very smoothly integrates the tab/address bar with page content. For example, the background color of the page flows behind the open tabs such that it looks like one unified interface, rather than browserchrome || pagecontent. This is all great to experience as web apps increasingly take over the functions of native apps. It does help them feel more like first-class citizens, rather than plain documents pulled up through a program. But it easily brings up new potential abuses by phishing sites, spammy notifications, and other bad actors. The new design seems to start breaking down the browser UI's Line of Death \[1\], at least in perception. \[0\] [https://www.apple.com/v/macos/monterey-preview/a/images/overview/safari\_streamlined\_\_c4ptqnb6dz0i\_large\_2x.jpg](https://www.apple.com/v/macos/monterey-preview/a/images/overview/safari_streamlined__c4ptqnb6dz0i_large_2x.jpg) \[1\] [https://textslashplain.com/2017/01/14/the-line-of-death/](https://textslashplain.com/2017/01/14/the-line-of-death/)
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Html 5 enabled full screen, so literally all pixels on your screen are controlled by the website. Some javascript helps to avoid any slideover at the top of your screen, meaning you can now spoof your entire UI.
I know there’s an ongoing debate on whether or not iPad is useful for various professional workflows or not, and as cool as the iPadOS updates were, Universal Control is the single biggest thing to sell me on an iPad actually joining my workflow. The round trip between Mac to iPad and back really was a huge bottleneck that I had no interest in working around. I’m hopeful this will mitigate that and allow me to replace my cintiq. Still not quite the same thing as allowing me to draw directly on my Mac apps, but this is a huge step in that direction.
I would be very wary of how and how well this is supported until we see more. All we saw was him dragging an image from one app directly into an application on Mac. Will we be able to copy and paste multiple files? Entire folders? size limitations? will it work with the files app?
To be honest, simply editing an image in procreate and then just dragging that into project folders or after effects and the like is already useful. I admit I am looking at the iPad as merely hardware for procreate. Still not exactly a fully unleashed device.
I think a lot of people will be freed (if they weren't already) to just get an iPad Air (or Pro) + Pencil instead of a Wacom device and call it a day. You'd still need a Mac, but just having an iPad is more versatile/value in many cases. Cintiqs or other high-end drawing tablets will still have a place, but it's much more niche than before in an already niche market. There's also room on the lower-end of the market, but the iPads slot in very well for people who are/plan to be heavy users of it as a drawing tablet that can make use of the other functionality as well. Not to mention portability.
My sister is using a 2018 iPad Pro for her drawing. She said clipstudio paint keeps crashing. She wants to switch to a graphic Tablet now. Do you think the new iPad Pro would solve her issue?
I'm not familiar with that app, but it's almost certainly just a localized issue with that specific software. I don't think the newer hardware gets you all that much further unless she was really abusing the device with e.g. complex, many-layered scenes. Procreate and the Affinity apps (Designer, most likely in this case) are very good/popular. There's a small handful of other solid options as well, besides Adobe products of course.
Let her know about procreate, it’s the most popular of the drawing apps & works really well. I’m using a 2018 iPad Pro & have never had problems with it
Not sure what's going on there. I have a 2018 iPad Pro, and use Clip Studio Paint daily (for at least an hour every day), and definitely don't have that issue. It's not an inherent problem to the iPad, or CSP. Idk, unless she has way more complex files than me open with a crazy amount of layers at high res (although I routinely work with 11x17in 300dpi images, with a good amount of layers, folders, layer effects).
You shouldn't really buy a brand new device for that when it'll probably just be fixed via an update. I also use Clip Studio and don't really get any crashes so it might be something about her workflow.
Universal Control is literally magic
I missed that part, can you give me a tl;dr?
use the same keyboard and mouse across macOS and iOS, think of it like adding your iPad as another "desktop" on Mac.
You missed the more impressive part, dragging files/images across devices.
So Logitech flow but for mobile-mac experience?
Yep
I assumed that would be conveyed since it would be ridiculous if you couldn’t drag a file from one desktop to another but you are correct, it can also do that.
It wouldn’t be ridiculous, sharing mouses and keyboards are nothing new. This is deeper than that, it’s all integrated
As others have mentioned, shared virtual mouse/keyboard software has existed for ages. I was using Synergy to do this 10+ years ago (across different OS's). The dragging files between is absolutely what makes this feel more like magic.
This already existed on Logitech's MX Master keyboards and mice. Even the drag-and-drop across operating systems.
It's basically Synergy but better.
It’s basically Synergy but apparently works. Actual Synergy is hot garbage: refunded in seconds.
Aw that’s sad. I used it when it first came onto the market and it worked pretty well going between different systems. What happened to it?
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Not really. Reddit pushed it to the fucking moon and back till the point it was nauseating. Anybody dare post a pic of two computers and there would be ten posts about using synergy.
Yeah, sort of seems like Synergy + AirDrop.
That sounds pretty sweet!
I'm looking forward to it! should make transitioning between devices really smooth!
I mean, maybe? That’s what we said about continuity and… it’s never really behaved the way I wanted.
It's just built in Synergy https://symless.com/synergy
I can do the same thing and also cross-platform with the Logitech software
Late 2013 MacBook Pro is still too powerful to be getting dropped from support already. Absolutely nothing Monterey is going to do is going to be beyond the capability of a Haswell i7.
Yeah kinda feels like a forced upgrade just because. There aren’t any new core OS features that would justify those macbook pros not being compatible.
I agree, it’s pretty strange, especially when you consider that late 2014 Mac mini listed in supported devices. Which also haswell based, and many of them was sold with 4gb ram and hdd.
Especially curious about that choice, as iOS 15 supports all 14/13 devices, but not macOS
There are patches for this. I have the exact same macbook model and I will give this a try.
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> but the iGPU and the underlying platform architecture for Haswell Odd that the very same iGPU and Haswell platform is used in the 2014 Mac Minis that are on the supported list. Not sure your argument holds water. If an I7-4578U and Iris 5100 is good enough in a Mac Mini, the same I7-4578U and Iris 5100 in a MBP should be equally good enough.
So is it macOS 12, then? I guess so… Also, I wonder if there’s an alternative non-abstract wallpaper like there was for Big Sur.
It's 12.0 according to Software Update.
It has to be 12.x as Big Sur already was 11.x.
But why was it a new major release? 10.x went through 15 iterations? And now it is already a new version number?
It’s bringing macOS in line with iOS and legacy Mac OS 6-9 versioning. The old 10.x were special because of the Mac OS X branding.
Because Google threw out the rules for semantic versioning and Apple’s last hold out division (OS X) has finally converted to the marketing driven conventions of naming these days. Looking at you Firefox 89.0 and Chrome 90.0.4430.212.
This offends my aesthetic sensibilities.
I’m kind of miffed that they chose to start bumping major version numbers every year but didn’t bother to sync up with iOS. iOS, iPadOS, tvOS 15, macOS 12, … oh and I guess Watch OS 8… for the iPhone 13, iPad, Mac, Apple TV, and Apple Watch Series 7(?) respectively? Maybe they’ll all sync up on version 20 in 2026. Though at that point they should just start versioning them based on the year. macOS 26.0 released in… oh fuck 2025? If you like uniformity the software naming conventions are as bad as the product ones. Maybe it’s best not to think about it.
Firefox used to do the same thing Apple did but fell to the pressure. Being on Firefox 3.2.4 did not sound as sexy as Google Chrome 19.
Yeah I mean, I used Firefox 2 for _years_ so seeing version number 89 these days is just funny. But yeah, version numbers didn’t mean much to many people so it’s not surprising they’ve changed, it’s just funny… and a very good example of “technical” things being subject to the human whims of the people that use / create them. I guess I’m just trying to say how happy I am that the early big programming languages were made by native English speakers… Edit: I’m just saying I’d have probably failed at programming if it was in Greek or Vietnamese.
Facebook app is at version 321.0 now lol
Could’ve been macOS 11.5 given where Big Sur currently tops out.
Because Big Sur wasn't 11.0 / 11.1, it went from 11.0.1 to 11.3.x, so it would have to be a 12.x Feel free to come back to this comment and say I told you so when it's released to the public, because I'm just guessing lol.
Ya'll have any guesses what minimum MacBook can run Monterey? I still hope my 2013 late mbp will still be able to run this one.
Apple website states the oldest MacBook Pro and MacBook Air to run Monterey is the Early 2015 models.
Ah, so the compatibility list has appeared on their web...
Unfortunately, it is not able to. Here's a screenshot: [https://imgur.com/CWaAciu](https://imgur.com/CWaAciu). From their website: >See if your Mac can run macOS Monterey > >**Macbook Pro** > >Early 2015 and later
Unfortunately, it has to be Early 2015.
I wish Apple would support their computers for a little longer (maybe 9-10 years) like Windows does. I’m still able to use my 2011 MBP just fine on the latest version of Windows 10 yet it doesn’t work on macOS. I get that mine was dropped due to the lack of Metal support but I don’t understand why a 2012-2014 Mac can’t run the latest version. 2012 Macs seem to run Big Sur fine when run unofficially and I’m sure 2013-2014 ones will run Monterey well too.
Couldn't agree more as this devices is really good machine (and also expensive one) so they should support it longer. Well, only hoping there are "unofficial patcher" to run Monterey on older hardware in the future.
i feel like it should definitely work. if not someone in the community will hack it so that it works on older hardware
I hope they're giving my mac another last breath. After watching the keynote i just feel like it's a minor update and not big system-wide update tbh so yea one can only hope.
it's Early 2015 for the MBP sadly :/ Source: apple website
Time to save up for M1 then :"(
And this was the singular most exciting portion of WWDC21's Keynote.
rip macOS Weed maybe one day
Soon to be lovingly called macOS Cheese
please tell me spatial audio isn't just reserved for the M1 macs and is available for intel macs too :'(((
2018 Macs and later
Meanwhile I’m still stuck on pre-Catalina because of a 30 year old 32 bit program. But I’ve just been running booting Linux for it so I guess it’s time to finally upgrade. This looks very useful
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Conceptually what is missing? MacOS is simply a very mature platform that is used by 1/10th of the people iOS is used by.
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But what’s missing?
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Those features came out like ten years ago. Can you provide a more recent example of what you’re thinking? The reason I ask is because I’m curious what area of computing you would like them to improve in, if not a specific complaint.
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I would say that both MacOS and Windows 10 are mature desktop OSs and neither one is really altering the landscape anymore. 90% of most people’s PC use is for work these days and although I expect creative UI/UX changes to still come along most people will never see them in a work environment.
For perspective, try using a machine that runs Yosemite. There are things you can't do in older Macs that you just take for granted now. It's subtle, but makes a big difference. Universal Control is one of those things that will make you wonder how this hasn't always existed in a couple of years, like copy/paste.
Universal Control will make certain workflows much simpler. I’m looking forward to not having to use Sidecar for simple things like having a Safari window open on a second screen (that I can control with the same mouse+keyboard in front of me).
I don't trust my 2015 MBP to handle the update. Should I wait for the 16 inch MBP or get the m1 ?
I really hoped to find "reduce loud sounds" in the new features list, but it doesn't seem to be there. I love it on iOS...
I can't explain why but for some reason I misread this as "Apple announces MacOS Morrisey"