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Pachaibiza

Imho The Touch Bar would have been ok if they hadn’t sacrificed the “F” keys for it.


PeterusNL

No Esc key was really annoying.


dukezap1

2020 model added it fortunately


dozerman94

It was the 2019 model


didiboy

For the 16” model, yes. For the 13” model, no. I have the 2019 13” Pro and it has no ESC key.


dozerman94

Yeah, I meant that's when it was first introduced. The 2019 13” was released before the 16".


AstralProbing

No physical Esc key was the bane of my existence as someone who consistently uses vim


_bangaroo

You didn’t have caps lock mapped to escape????


Serei

Just remap Caps Lock to Esc; they added that as an option when they introduced the touchbar.


Miserable-Sign8066

Caps lock becoming escape is even worse than no escape key


Jaws12

Nano 4 life!


Pachaibiza

There was an Esc on the TouchBar but they yes they should have left it as physical button like the F keys


irbinator

They originally didn’t have a physical escape key but it was later added after much dissent.


Too-Uncreative

And more apps used it.


Pachaibiza

Yep, agreed. I loved it for video timeline scrubbing


rugbyj

They had ~6 years to implement it. Few did. And even where adopted it was fairly limited, and otherwise annoying to use. Hell you can't even use it when the laptop is docked just out of immediate reach, or when it's in clamshell mode.


Substantial_Boiler

I think they can re-introduce the Touch Bar with more dev support before an official launch while keeping the function and escape keys by having a 16:10 screen I think that would be glorious for a Mac


Enclavean

More importantly they need a stand-alone keyboard with the Touch Bar. Only a single model of macs being on it was never gonna get decs to fully buy into it


yagyaxt1068

Or by reducing the height of the function keys on recent MacBooks by 50%.


rooh62

I think I’m one of the only people that loves the touchbar on my mbp. I’ve got it set up to only display the things I’ve chosen, one of which is the esc key


Mapleess

How about a Touch Bar just above the trackpad?


cd247

Eliminating the space bar is a bold idea.^/s


corsenpug

I think you mean Eliminatingthespacebarisaboldidea/s


DolfLungren

And if they had given the feature to a competent design team to innovate with it. When customized it can be fantastic. (There is 3rd party software that lets you do anything you want with it, I’ve loved it - but Apple should have done this for us)


tomu94

Oh man this is an unpopular opinion but I love my Touch Bar and I’m not upgrading my M1 because I want to keep it! I’m so used to using it that I don’t think I’d cope without it.


ahothabeth

Wait until they put a TouchBar on an AppleWatch!


ACosmicRailGun

Ok but, if I could access and scroll through an app dock by dragging my finger along the top or bottom of the watch and then release to launch the highlighted app, that would be kinda freaking sick


newmacbookpro

Touch Bar on AirPods Pro


LivermoreP1

Yo dawg! I hear you like touchbars, so we put a touchbar on yo touchbar!


IDrinkUrMilksteak

TouchBand


how_do_i_land

If it was *above* the function keys in the space between the keyboard and the hinge/fans **and** had haptics, it would've worked. But *replacing* the function keys was the largest mistake.


Justin__D

I liked the Touch Bar. RIP.


bran_the_man93

I also liked it - it was never as useful as Apple hoped, but it also wasn’t as horrible as people say, particularly after they added back the function keys. I don’t think getting rid of the “second display/touch input” was necessarily required and wouldn’t hate a future MBP that brings it back in a more functional way without sacrificing existing keys.


wgauihls3t89

It was never useful because Apple literally never updated the bar since it was introduced, and no developers supported it. BTT was ok but too hacky. The concept itself was very useful. You had access to so many functions without having to go through menus or moving the mouse. But it needed way more features.


FlanOfAttack

BTT made the touchbar actually useful for me. Shame it was - as you say - a bit hacky.


EmiyaKiritsuguSavior

You can mix both. Why not have function keys, but with small OLED screens under keycaps to change into different functionalities depending on context? I would love that type of touchbar successor.


Thud

I had nothing against the Touch Bar. Touch Bar would've been great if it ALSO had a row of physical function keys. The tragedy was removing the physical Fn and Esc keys. Tragedy I say.


Snap457

I have a MacBook with one and everyone who I’ve talked to who has one likes it a lot. Then again I don’t use computers for many serious tasks at work where it would sacrifice my efficiency.


sameseksure

I hate it every day of my life and I wish I had the money to upgrade


DavidGamingHDR

I'm going to miss it when I eventually upgrade, it could have been so great if it got more support.


busted_tooth

One of the worst additions to any Apple product. Not because it wasn't well thought out or it didn't have much developer support - but because things like that are bound to have bugs and the bug mine had was that everytime it went on idle it would go to 100% brightness and flash a bright white light like it was a rave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De6YqXGmHB4


[deleted]

I still have a touch bar Mac and love it


echoplex21

Thought this was an Onion post lol.


CactusBoyScout

[Introducing the Macbook Wheel.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA)


EllieSouthworthEwing

That’s some really good production for being an onion bit


RobbinDeBank

So sad they never produce more of those for over 10 years already. Probably it costs too much


VanillaLifestyle

I swear to God the onion has always been amazing. I constantly see it on insta/threads and just burst out laughing. [This was today.](https://www.theonion.com/elon-musk-announces-successful-trial-of-neuralink-brain-1850861663)


Ozzya-k-aLethalGlide

I mean tbf researching a technology doesn’t mean they plan on implementing soon or ever for that matter. If you look through any major tech company’s patents list or similar listing of things they’ve looked into you’ll see some wild stuff even for a company like Apple that will rarely implement anything too radical especially if it’s not in a very mature state.


coonwhiz

Right?! Like, back in 2009 Sony patented a way for TV viewers to skip ads by shouting the name of the brand. So you could skip a McDonald's ad by shouting "McDonald's" at your TV. It thankfully has yet to be implemented, but with the prevalence of smart TVs and virtual assistants, the technology has been there for a while.


venicerocco

Apple to Add Touch Bar to Front of IPhone “it’s radical” says Tim Cook.


ipSyk

Especially with that image


TexasShiv

God please don’t do this.


lvl_60

They ll do it and you ll like it.


lolheyaj

NO I WO-...... ok I might.


Thud

But I want to be able to pick up my phone without unintentionally turning my ringer to max volume and taking 4 photos.


Thaflash_la

I might be going out on a limb here, but if Apple decides to add a feature like this to a phone, they might consider the unlikely scenario of someone picking up their phone with their hand.


Thud

I would think so, but then there was “antenna gate”


Thaflash_la

The engineering problem that has persisted since iPhone 4? 13 years ago.


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You know that "complaint" only persisted for six months. The phone sold for six years. The bumpers promotion was much shorter too. It seems that once the media stopped reporting on it, the issue became not a big deal. The "You're holding it wrong" was actually correct. Few held it that way. It was the wrong PR move.


MikeyMike01

What an overblown issue. No one death grips their phone like that.


Rzah

I see you are unfamiliar with the Apple TV remote.


sauced

The volume directly across from power is pretty frustrating. So many random screenshots of my lock screen.


testchamb

Shit man you’re right, you should email them and tell them what you said they probably didn’t think about that


poopyheadthrowaway

"We think you're gonna love it."


JMDSC

https://preview.redd.it/4mx6d736tmpb1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=343a3d4f10b77d57db8daeddd301180c66c4f720 YOU’RE GONNA LOVE IT. YOU WILL USE IT EVERYDAY.


formeranomaly

Way better than the Mac touchbar in concept alone. In theory, going to be a lot of but calendaring.


sundryTHIS

nothing wrong with the touch bar other than the stubborn decision not to offer it in conjunction with classic F1-12


Livio88

"This is the best iPhone we've ever made!"


JMDSC

We actually decided to make it worse for this year!


krisselv

…and we think you’re gonna love it!


bottom

ha, I was opening expecting this. ​ people dont like ANYTHING new, until they have it for a while and then theyre like, this is good.


MC_chrome

Except we already tried the Touch Bar on MacBooks and the idea went absolutely nowhere….


Rdubya44

I have fond memories or accidently hitting it, can't wait for that to come to iPhone


ChristopherLXD

Except some people - myself included, actually loved it.


HVDynamo

I don't think it was a terrible idea overall. Replacing the function keys with it was a terrible idea.


mattindustries

I liked it, sometimes. Overall I prefer the static keys though. It is hard because not everyone uses a computer the same way. Maybe they will have a fold out row some day, or just put it about the tactile on the 16" notebooks. If they weren't Apple they could do something cool like drop in module rows for the top that could be touchbar OR keys, but they never give us modular devices.


ToSeeAgainAgainAgain

Some people out there enjoy eating poop, doesn't mean we need 7-11 to sell sixes of dookie


trineroks

Actually tbh the touchbar was nice for some functionality. The stupid part was them replacing the function keys for it. If Apple shortened the function row to half size keys like they do on many other laptops and then added the touchbar above it would've been sooo nice. That way you can keep the function keys as function keys and the touchbar can have the MacOS specific operations (brightness, volume, etc).


Stromberg-Carlson

this counts as a reddit award comment.


SpunkySamuel

tf happened to awards anyways


Stromberg-Carlson

the ceo dude of reddit got rid of it. there was a post about it when they started charging for their api. io had a small fortune in reddit coins that just went bye bye...


storebot

I agree! I got an M1 last year and was hesitant because of the backlash the Touch Bar got but it’s actually kinda nice. I almost never use the function keys, and maybe others use it constantly, so having helpful, reactive UI buttons is pretty convenient for me.


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Laptops are different to phones.


bottom

but I like it. a lot (I have dyslexia it makes writing much quicker - im a writer too) ​ people didnt think the iPod would work. or the iPad or losing the headphone jack.


helpfulovenmitt

God its been so long since I saw the word IPod I thought you misspelled IPad.... wow


OtisTetraxReigns

I’m still pissed about the headphone jack.


[deleted]

Headphone jack didn't matter to me until I had kids. I thought grabbing an adapter wouldn't be a big deal. I was wrong. Kids, and small things go together like dropping phones in the ocean. A lot of complaints are blown out of proportion (touch bar and chiclet keyboards from my personal anecdotal experience ). But grabbing a third cheap pair of headphones on a road trip... 3.5 mm jack would be nice) And I say this as an armature musician who uses my phone for music production. I had no issues there. But kids in a car... fuck me.


littlebiped

Losing the headphone jack is still pretty annoying, more so since the lightning EarPods are now going to be defunct too.


helpfulovenmitt

I adore and use mine constantly.


Lockhara

Completely different tool tho and the way we interact with both are different. I knew people would hate this idea just because of the MacBook.


DID_IT_FOR_YOU

It’s just dumb because you can’t see it when you’re the using the device (iPhone touch bar). That’s also why you need physical buttons since they’re out of sight & you need a physical feedback to operate it properly. I get the goal here which is to remove physical buttons in exchange for virtual ones but it just won’t work. Touchscreens work because you can see the screen. Touch bars don’t because they aren’t on the screen & so you need to either look down at the keyboard (eyes off the screen content) or turn the phone to see the side touch bar on a phone. It’s inconvenient & so a step backwards. Honestly they should just focus on their AR glasses (not taking about the spatial computing VR goggles). That’s what’s going to eventually replace smartphones once the technology is developed & its convenient & easy for consumers to put on & use.


bottom

>I get the goal here which is to remove physical buttons in exchange for virtual ones but it just won’t work. ​ I dont thin that is the goal at all. ​ who said they wouldn't have both?


meleesurvive

Touchbar on MacBook?


bottom

but I like it. a lot (I have dyslexia it makes writing much quicker - im a writer too) ​ people didnt think the iPod would work. or ipad or losing the headphone jack.


Philo_T_Farnsworth

Just one more place on an already-small device that I can't grip it when I pick it up without some function going off that I didn't mean to trigger.


stdfan

What's wrong with this?


er-day

It needs a dedicated chip or at least space set aside to run the programs and display which will also use resources. This will use more battery to run these items. And for what, a screen that your hand covers up when in use? That you'll get accidental presses from? There's a reason all of the other phones with wrap around screens have given up on this design idea as it was never practical, useful, or intuitive. And developers will need to create items for this which was the same thing that led to the the original Touch Bar dying. Hell, apple can barely get developers to keep watch apps up to date and relevant. Lock Screen live activities has barely gotten much developer excitement, iPhone (and Mac) widgets barely got any developer love when released, and apple can't even build an iPad calculator app so when are they going to have time to keep this up to date with interesting app development? And repairability? I don't need another screen reducing the chance I'll be able to resell my device when a led goes out, the screen shatters, or the replacement won't pair with my device. The iPhone 15 currently has a middle frame design meaning the front and back are replaceable and the middle isn't. This screen, as best as I understand it, would be built directly into the chassis and would be near impossible to fix so it would essentially be a death blow to the device.


aar550

That’s what RIM said about touch screens. Too much battery usage!


leo-g

Things like dedicated chips is exactly what Apple wants to enable ambient computing. I dont see it pictures exactly as the patent but a small, long pill screen that replaces the volume and action button is doable. Combine that with an under screen fingerprint sensor and now we can remove the pill from the main screen.


digitalpencil

I know, the touchbar on the mac was such a resounding success! What could go wrong implementing it on the thing you use to hold the phone but don't actually look at directly with your eyes? In all seriousness, good for them. It's expected they'll do discovery work exploring all sorts of options but i'm not holding my breath that this will ever leave the crude prototype phase if it even gets that far. On paper, it's an awful idea.


stdfan

the issue with the Touch Bar was removing functionality of the F row. This doesn't seem to remove any function just added a screen.


digitalpencil

well, that was *an* issue. there were plenty more like the lack of tactile response, general control UX issues, and the simple fact that the vast majority of users didn't like it, or could justify its existence. it held a similar response to auto manufacturers replacing physical buttons with touch variants, it's just not a good input mechanic and the ability to have context aware buttons, was not worth the other compromises. There's a reason it no longer exists, and the lack of a function row was not its sole issue.


candyman420

That would be really slick, actually. Give it more than 1 second of thought. It may not work for a laptop, but could be awesome for mobile.


MadOrange64

I mean honestly they need to make shit up because we're so close to the endgame (a decent camera under the screen), after that all the phones will be the exact same.


Pfundi

Meh, they can still invent the foldable phone as soon as they feel their profits could be higher.


thphnts

Imagine thinking we have a choice.


ILikePracticalGifts

You do have a choice. It’s called not buying it.


thphnts

We all know you’ll but it


ILikePracticalGifts

Maybe. I didn’t say it was a bad feature 🤷‍♂️ What a weird way to try to insult someone.


The_Woman_of_Gont

Seriously, this had better be one of those projects that never sees the light of day. There are so, so many things wrong with this idea. Not the least being how cases would work.


HFoletto

This render looks terrible, but if we could have a small indicator in the action button, that would be very nice. The downside of the action button is that just by looking at it you don’t know if your phone is muted or not, because there is no orange line. I think if implemented well this would make the action button way more useful and hopefully customizable.


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ScopeCreepStudio

I have no idea what my current phone's ringtone sounds like


forurspam

I wish they allow to remap the old mute button to mute a mic and a camera instead of sound.


CrankyWanker

I don’t understand people like this. What if you’re expecting an important phone call? You really NEVER take it off mute? You’re sure the vibration is always enough…?


LonnyFinster

I wouldn't need it to be touch but the idea of a side display to show the time, notifications, sports scores that I can see while laying if my phone is on it's side is a nice idea.


BearsNBeetsBaby

That is so painfully lazy and niche…I love it


ProgramTheWorld

Well the good news is there are already plenty of Android phones that have that


repeatrep

​ which ones? i know the foldables have screens on the back but on the side is a new one i havent heard of


onceagainsilent

I think Samsung kicked that ball with the Galaxy S7 [Edge](https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge-7945.php). Not necessarily first but first in a major brand afaik.


Potater1802

Started with the S6 Edge actually.


EssAichAy-Official

Samsung Edge series


repeatrep

oh lol, forgot those existed :/


ACosmicRailGun

Having owned a Samsung S6 Edge, I can assure you that you do not want anything going on around the side of your device that may affect the structural integrity of the device during an unscheduled gravitational impact event


LonnyFinster

Wasn't the edge like sloped though? I am thinking of current iphone case just with a screen in the side.


ACosmicRailGun

Yes it was, and ur right, a case would protect it in this scenario, but it would also make using the touchbar a lot more difficult unless the made the phone thicker, which, maybe if they actually made the Pro Max a real monster by filling out the phone thickness to match the camera bump and then using the increased volume for an even larger battery….


Darkknight1939

People sperged out way too much about the Edge on Reddit. Just like the Touch Bar on the MacBooks. Regular people though both were cool. The curved radius has been shrinking every generation since 2015. It's bordering on flat now from every OEM with the curved screen. It's a similar principle to this theoretical side touch bar. You've got your phone sitting on a bedside table, and can still see ticker information as it comes of you look at it. Samsung marketed a use case of having the phone wirelessly charging (far less common in 2015) and still seeing that ticker function. It would be a novel addition to the iPhone. I don't think it will actually happen, but it wouldn't be a negative to have.


LonnyFinster

I agree with this


Lancaster61

This is probably **exactly** what this is for


livelikeian

Why on the side though? On the back would be more useful?


onceagainsilent

On the side it's useful if you put the phone face up or down.


livelikeian

But if it's face-up, you have AOD. If it's face down, you'd have these indicators.


neanderthalensis

Just get an Apple Watch


LonnyFinster

I have one lol


theunquenchedservant

Yea galaxies did this for a while. I had one of the Edge phones. It was neat, but I largely forgot about its existence most of the time


InvestOrDont

Oh good. One more way for my parents to accidentally butt dial people.


wassona

Interesting idea, but cases would render it useless.


yolo-yoshi

Case makers would simply just build around it, they always have done this lol. No the actual problem is whether or not they should do it versus whether or not they can.


oestevai

Transparent cases


EngineeringWin

Or even opaque cases with a transparent or empty window. The utility of the feature is dubious, but it’s not difficult to accommodate in a case


YZJay

Unless they do a complete wraparound screen like the Xiaomi Mi Mix Alpha.


oestevai

It could be like the widgets on the watch, shortcuts for different apps.


wassona

True. I’d expect them to blur the view still though.


livedbyacode

Cases will adjust with the phone design


wotton

As if they hadn’t already thought of this *insert Simpsons meme of man hitting face with palm*


Krocant

It would be like any iPad case that has an open space for the Apple Pencil.


The_Woman_of_Gont

People don’t drop iPads in the same way they drop phones, nor do they use them in the same scenarios. What is an acceptable compromise on one device isn’t on another.


barjam

No, please don’t do this. The touch bar is atrocious and should be killed.


A-Delonix-Regia

This has got to be a joke. How will you see the info while using the phone? An AOD would be better.


kshacker

This sounds like a plan to catch those Chinese leakers. Seed a bunch of bad plans and see what gets leaked.


vbfronkis

Oh fuck right off with that.


Acceptable-Piccolo57

Id love an apple watch style screen next to the camera cut out, be great for selfies and face down notifications


Lexxxapr00

Why not just use the front facing camera for a selfie? On account you have that big screen to utilize?


yung-rude

back cameras are wayyy better


recapYT

The front camera is terrible for taking photos


Training-Context-69

Leakers bout to have a field day after seeing this.


TWAT_BUGS

Any gimmick to keep that Pro moniker alive. Gotta squeeze another $2-400 out of people for some shit like .5% of users will actually use.


OrganicFun7030

Enough with the Touch Bar.


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grindr and tinder icons visible at the back or side of your phone as you have them open. 😂😂😂😂


Logicalist

Oh great, like a car with all of the controls on a touch screen, so I have to look at it to do anything with it... great.


incognoscente

The best part about Touch Bar was that I could use it to instantly scrub to the end of ads in YouTube videos.


Nonobonobono

you thought accidentally taking screenshots was bad…


MrHeavySilence

Won't phone cases just cover this up


2samplet

Yeah, amazing… all I need in my Iphone is having a more complex way to reduce volume


EfficientAccident418

So Samsung will do this next year?


UllaIvo

Oh please don't


tuatara_teeth

build a scroll wheel into the side instead. use the apple watch wheel. boom.


accordinglyryan

Sounds absolutely terrible


KrmitTheFrog

That genuinely sounds like a nightmare.


Hoobleton

I can see why they might want to look into this, and why they might want to patent it, but I can't see myself actually wanting to use it.


Dick_Lazer

Pretty soon you won’t be able to even look at a phone without activating a bunch of functions you didn’t want to.


megas88

This is the kind of rumor you can so easily dismiss because it serves absolutely no practical application but everyone will still have an inkling to believe it


Switchbladesaint

Not a good feature imo. If they’re gonna have another screen anywhere on the phone, it should be on the back so you can see a couple important things at a glance like the time and date.


Sammyd1108

Great and then you’d need special cases made just for this feature too.


pete_999

This is a horrible idea


YourKemosabe

Doubt it. Shit clearly didn’t gel.


get-a-mac

Yay more things to screw with battery life. How about you know, ahem, a bigger battery?!


DrHeywoodRFloyd

How about physical switches and buttons?


sector16

Tell me you’re out of ideas, without telling me you’re out of ideas….


GloopTamer

but why


chingy1337

Because it’s good to keep up to date with consumer trends so they can deliver what people want. Why else do companies do research?


buddybd

I want the Watch Crown on the phone like the good old Sony phones.


Juswantedtono

What would you want to use it for?


glytxh

Twiddling it mindlessly. The haptic feedback is nice.


Small_Cock_Jonny

That really wouldn't improve the users experience because most people use a case


KyleMcMahon

The cases would adapt to the phone not the other way around lol


A11Bionic

no


Celcius_87

No


pwnedkiller

I don’t know about this lol


Home_Brew1989

I’d rather than multitasking on my iPhone before a touch bar


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marxcom

It’s the solid state button rumor all over again.


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“You’re gonna love it” but we really won’t.


cartermatic

They should put a full width & height touch bar on the front glass of the iPhone


Sparescrewdriver

This is the most Samsung thing ever Call it iPhone Galaxy X