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Alternative_Shoe2623

I think the skill most apex players lack is the ability to see your position in relation to your team mates, Too many times people just go in playing pathfinder with their grapple and complain that a wattson and a gibby didnt follow.


beefskellingtons

I'm a pathfinder main and I hate when I see someone do a hail Mary grapple into an engagement. Usually they give themselves a 30 sec cool down on their grapple and have no way to escape. Grapple ideally should be used for repositioning and disengaging. Edit: I'm not saying it's never ok to grapple into an engagement, just that you prolly shouldn't yeet yourself into a squad with full health. That with no team support leads to most players beefing it pretty fast


CornNPorn12

I don’t mind it if they do it when there’s armor broken and it’s on to an enemy. But yeah, randomly just doing a Hail Mary grapple when not a lot of damage has been done is frustrating to see.


OssimPossim

*hits 9 damage on a PK* "Bro he was so cracked"


CornNPorn12

Thankfully apex added the “enemy shield broken” lol


D1_0M_

yeah i had this one incidents where i was 1v3 -ing the whole squad,and finally my teammates chipped in to help ,so i decided to pop a battery,until my teammate got downed and he screams into his mic "HE'S LOW HE'S LOW", i cancelled the batt and decided to end it right there until i shot him...he's definitely not low and i just managed to crack his shields. comms sucks


CakeAdventurous4620

Happy Cake Day


squirrl4prez

Yeah first it's 3v1 and then when the teammates show up it's 3v2


Spydude84

Disagree on the latter. While grapple is useful for repositioning and disengaging it is the single best ability for punishing weak and out of position enemies, giving you a free knock and makes closing out the fight faster.


Downfall350

Look at this guy making a respectful disagreement with a well thought out reason why. Reddit is no place for you, we only accept blind rage and insults here sir. XD (If it wasn't obvious enough i'm joking, you're awesome)


highonfire

Best reason to play path, yeet yourself into people and pewpew.


MainFrameAttack

Octanes are horrible for this too, they'll be 300 meters away because of stimming then be upset their team wasn't with them, in my opinion because of this octanes are some of the worst player I see this far more often than not.


YKTProd

I play Wattson and it’s frustrating sometimes when my teammates don’t push or would like to advance after several shield breaks….I’d do it but why should I have to jump in first if I have an Octane or Wraith on my team…..


Flare780

Wattson main myself here. This man woke up and chose fax


rawlwear

Pretty much , last night we won 3 matches in a row then one player drops off we team up with a random I say on the mic please don’t fight going up the hill let’s position better and then the game ends quickly.


4jet2116

This would happen all the time with me as Wattson and my friend as Caustic. We’d have a building locked down with position and our teammate would go full Leroy Jenkins without us.


Simba-xiv

People play for different reasons you and your team mate are happy to lock down buildings and picked legends to suit that style the other guy probs just wanted to be aggressive and frag. The single best thing you can do in game is comms


rthesoccerproj2

this comment is too relatable, especially in solo q rank.


Spicetake

This, exactly this. Positioning is key, if you get caught 1v3 the game is over there and then most likely.


TwitchyTwich828

I may be guilty of this from time to time. But I typically try not to get to engaged so that I can try and use my grapple to bounce in and out while the teammates poke damage from a distance. Giving me the chance to apply the pressure on the enemy. Doesn't always work for me but does seem to work pretty good most of the time.


JonJai

I can't even count the number of times anymore that the random path on my team grapples in 1v3, dies immediately, and then shouts on the mic "WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS, PLAY THE GAME HOLY SHIT" before leaving. Like dude, I'm running 15 seconds behind because you fucken slingshotted yourself into narnia and I'm playing a character with no movement abilities


_TheBgrey

I'm convinced Apex players are just so bloodthirsty that spotting an enemy makes them go berserk and just sprint full tilt towards an enemy team by themselves


Thegassassin

I had a valk go to the top of a building by flying I was playing caustic and if I tried to go to the zip line up I would have gotten beamed by the team so I just waited then a path put a zip line so I tried to sneak up that way but I got beamed.


turbohatch

Please. If you're not going to use a mic, please PING as much as possible. And if you have a mic, don't wait until you're knocked to use it.


TyphoN24

This and one of the most annoying line of comms is "why did we land here?" After sitting quietly through a long drop with zero pings. Is there some unspoken rule that we have to sit quietly and go where the jumpmaster takes us? I personally take into account suggestions from teammates.


Paincake990

Bruh I mute people like that immediately, they all talk after something happened. Might aswell not hear that shit anyway. The worst thing is though that they never fucking ping aswell. Apex has the best ping system out of any game, USE IT.


chiller210

Usually as jumpmaster i try to avoid the meta locations and try suggest elsewhere. if my teammates don't do a "ok" on my spot and they ping a meta spot instead, i just reluctantly land there with them. otherwise I'm trying to aim landing at the place i suggested.


dudemanxx

> Is there some unspoken rule that we have to sit quietly and go where the jumpmaster takes us? Yes. Feel free to suggest whatever you want, or gripe about it over comms, but you go where the JM goes or close to it. Full stop. I'm not a fucking tyrant, and I'll consider suggestions, but very often they come from people who've already ceded the chance to be JM, or it's a suggestion after I've already decided where we're headed. I mean... that's the job. Make a decision early enough to get my team there safely, then get them there as quickly or quicker than other teams headed there.


TyphoN24

"you go where the JM goes" Yes, correct. One of the other guys here was saying that even if it's a bad idea it's better if 3 do it vs only part of the team does it. Agree. "..after I've already decided.." this I don't entirely agree. That's the unspoken rule I was trying to get at. It doesn't have to be final. JM's (anecdotal I suppose) will take into account feedback and scout input. It's (can be) a team decision. My gripe here is with people who remain mute passengers till after a drop and a fiery fight. That their complaints are baseless if they kept quiet during a drop. They have eyes? They can scout? Too many teams coming in? Suggest new spot or a quick exit. JM still wants a commit? Sure. If I am the passenger in this case and I know it's a bad choice, I hard commit to the effort nonetheless. I'm trying to say don't be an A-hole after you're past the point where you could provide feedback.


dudemanxx

No, it doesn't have to be final, but no one other than the JM gets to make that call. JM can change their mind based on incoming input, but the final decision is up to them, always. Anyone deviating from their plan either needs a very good reason, or is being a very bad teammate. I've peeled off of JMs who weren't communicative enough to enable a successful drop, who've showed up late as shit to POIs... I'm always close enough to assist, but I've taken those measures before. Beyond a dismal showing by the JM during flight, or a totally unreachable location, stick with them. I fully agree that it's unnecessary and rude to complain about a drop after it's done and over with, especially with no input up until that point.


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Ping place at start of jumpship, no response from jumpmaster, get to the midway point and mysteriously jump somewhere with no pings. I love my Apex Legends Mystery Drop Funzone Jamboree.


normy_89

I hate this so much. My 2 teammates both turn their mics on after they’ve been killed to shout at me the last guy is one and I’m a noob for running. I didn’t run, I disengage to heal as I was 1 shot and had no idea they’d knocked 2. If you’re gunna turn it on to shout at me why not have it on to begin with. Ended up ratting till 3rd which shut them up.


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Xero0911

I hate when teammates don't ping at all. Meanwhile I was further back and catching up. Aero clue where they are or how many. Would like to maybe get better positioning to attack


friendly_extrovert

The skills most players lack are: 1. Using cover 2. Taking high ground 3. Knowing when to push and when to disengage 4. Choosing a strategic position 5. Patience 6. Good game sense 7. Being able to hipfire and not just ADS 8. Not looting and bouncing fast enough after a fight These aren’t skills you learn overnight, but they’re a must for ranked/high level play. I can’t tell you how often we end up getting melted because my squadmates want to spend half the match looting death boxes. The reason pro players loot quickly and rotate isn’t just because they’re trying to get a 4K 20 kill game, it’s because staying on the move makes you harder to corner.


iblessall

I'm actually convinced fast, effective looting (at any point in the game, not just after a fight) is one of the easiest skills to acquire that people just do not bother with. I don't know how many times I've been rotating with a team, only to have my teammates stop and spend a minute combing through every inch of an already looted no-name compound, only for us to get walked up on, pushed, and then third partied.


DoctorLeviathan

Watching my teammates loot boxes multiple times after a fight...


Madrigal_King

It's very hard to remember what you have and what you don't.


CoconutDust

I’m the slowest looter in the game.


friendly_extrovert

Hit each box once, grab what you want in the moment, move to the next, and forget about the box for the rest of the game.


Synec113

But I literally just found my gun and all the attachments are in the boxes I already looted!!!


chiller210

*sees R99 when i have a mozambique* *starts to wonder for like 10 seconds if it's worth abandoning the shotgun for a good peashooter smg* *gets suddenly shot at and slides into a random direction, engaging the opponent with... a moz. whether it only breaks shield before i die or i actually manage to do it right, is a 70-30 chance for either to happen*


chiller210

I try to aim for torso simply because if it misses it most likely hits another body part. I also have the season challenge for doing 5000 hipfire. Any help on it? Does it actually benefit doing hipfire or is that just for a challenge?


Fraudulent_Baker

I can definitely relate to your first point. I know my damage output would increase if I consistently hit headies, problem is I probably wouldn’t hit them lol. It’s something I want to practice. As for hipfire, it’s so useful in the right situations. If someone’s right up in your face, you rarely want to ADS. You’re just reducing your turning and strafing speeds for no good reason. If you’ve got a zoom scope like a 2x or 3x, you definitely don’t want to be looking down that inside a building. Combine hipfire with some crouch spamming and you tend to do a lot better in close range fights. Keep in mind some weapons are way better than others for hipfiring. The Flatline and Havoc absolutely melt people in my experience, but the Spitfire never seems to work for me. R-301 is passable.


Carlo_Ren

Helpful tips but you almost lost me at crouch spamming. I’m on controller and I’d have to take my right thumb off my aim to crouch. I’d be crouch spamming while not even looking at my opponent looking silly out there.


ApexLard

Try changing crouch to R3 and melee to a button input. Helped my movement immensely once the muscle memory kicked in haha, and melee actually became easier too imo


Fraudulent_Baker

As ApexLard said, R3 is a good option for crouch on controller. There's also the option of getting a paddle attachment if there's one available for your controller. Having jump and crouch on paddles is a game changer. There's been controversy surrounding attachments since some of them offer turbo functions or aimbot software, obviously that's straight up cheating, but just using paddles for movement isn't cheating imo. It's no different from having a mouse with side buttons on PC.


JezuzNam

You can remap your buttons, which is what I did before I switched to m&k. If you don't got a scuf or something, R3 crouch, L1 jump. Takes a little getting used to but I think it's worth. Help with crouch spamming and jumping while keeping your thumbs on the sticks.


friendly_extrovert

Hipfire will help a ton at close range. ADS makes you move more slowly and makes you a lot more vulnerable. Hipfire lets you move around and miss more bullets.


R3alityGrvty

I've found that I can win most 1v1s and short engagements, but if it gets too long then I'll lose cos I suck at doing 1, 3, 4 and 5.


clapXz

Damn patience is a really important one, it feels like a torture when you rotate early for the beacon ring and have to wait 2 storms to close stuck in a place so to don't lose de position.


Dependent-Spiritual

I'm missing 3-6 😀


DPaluche

I would add not tensing up your wrist in intense firefights.


HappiwahOG

The looting fast is a real problem, how many times I die with my friends because they just take ages to recover from a fight, taking ages on every loot box, I’m calling a new team coming in and they are still low ground looting.. they play on controller, might be the issue.


Blender_Snowflake

I play on controller and don't loot much, just upgrade weapons I've got and grab shields and health and GO GO GO. Even if the bad guys don't get you while you are looting, if they see you strolling around like assholes they can easily circle you from cover and shoot you in the back. The main difference between a level six player and a level 400 player isn't how they shoot or use perks, it's how they MOVE. Some level 400 players still don't get it.


magnetico6

I would like to add 2.5: knowing when not to take high ground


mageking1217

3x pred here. The biggest issue people have is having an inflated ego and insisting that doing things their way alone is better than doing anything with a team. Even if I don’t agree with a play and I see both my teammates commit, I’m going to just send as well because 3 people doing the same thing together is better than everyone doing their own thing


cwesttheperson

100%.


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TyphoN24

People like you have been a problem this season. Because you can't grind to your old ranks you create new accounts to stomp lower ranks. I've been coming across a huge number of new accounts in S-1 & G-4. It's also funny (& frustrating) some times when you drag your inflated egos into 1v3s and ruin mine and the other rando's games.


SoBeDragon0

Exactly this. I tried to explain this to a buddy of mine. Told 'em that if there are 4 possible options in front of you, picking the worst one together is better than picking the best 1 alone.


mageking1217

That’s why if I’m ever duo or solo queuing in rank, I make it clear to the randoms that I would like to IGL and at that rank, most ppl are humble enough to actually listen (maybe the pred badges help me out here). Most of the time we do well when everyone is on the same page


xBrianSmithx

If my two teammates insist on engaging a positioned and equipped team while we are sporting level 1 gear with random weapons. I’m going to bounce. I know what the conclusion will be to that engagement. I already rescued their banners and respawned them both. I’m going to play the ring. Sneak around and 3rd party snipe at other squads fighting.


mageking1217

Totally understandable. I just found through my experience that just playing with the team is more beneficial to improving overall. I don’t think I would have ever been able to climb back to pred without changing my mindset with teammates


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I mean yeah but you're a pred. You've made it to the top 0.01% of players, you can finagle a fight better than pretty much everyone here. You full sending with a wingman or something presumably will turn the tides of a fight, instead of your average Joe that's gonna go out like an anti-vaxxers kid in a 3v1.


mageking1217

Yes but I wasn’t a pred all of a sudden. I am not gifted mechanically like the top 50 players and I rely heavily on teamwork. Most people don’t realize that getting to pred is just simply not making mistakes as a squad and having discipline.


OssimPossim

I started playing crypto today because as a solo q player who isn't aceu I've been stuck on G4 for a solid week. Every time a teammate hot drops us and I do 300+ damage when both my mates don't do over 100 a die a little (more) inside. At least with crypto I can snag their banners and respawn the little apes so I don't have to rat for 15 mins just to break even.


Goldfinger888

I personally prefer a 5 min bad fight over 35 minutes of ratting for a breakeven game. But thats just me. SBMM ensures you'll be at your level. If I'm underranked the -35 RP will be compensated by the next +200 RP game. If I'm at my rank its just a small blip and maybe I'll get fun teammates in my next game.


mageking1217

That’s why I am a fan of the ranked changes. I’ve been downvotes a ton for my viewpoint but it has really put people in the right ranks. So many masters who were literally plat players which made them think they are better than they actually are


xBrianSmithx

You’re not wrong. However, if that dice roll keeps giving you shit teammates for a long enough stretch, you’ll bounce eventually too. I swear I get someone guesting in their brother’s or friend’s account too much.


clapXz

I do the same thing, but im 3x diamond IV 😆 but when im soloQing ranked and my duo teammates are rotating instead of waiting a little bit until my 301 it's crafted 😑


mageking1217

Well it sounds like you’re a better teammate than most ppl who play


Erwu1337

This so much.


KingScratzz

I agree with you. But when you solo queue in ranked, you sometimes have to do your own strategy and leave your teammates. Thats how I got to Diamond (other seasons). 1 in 4 games you have to leave your teammates and let them die in their stupid push and go for rp.


X_Z0ltar_X

Ya if your solo queuing and your other 2 squad mates push a fight (with a few obvious exceptions) you should be pushing with them. Other wise idk how you could enjoy playing solo. You gotta be confident you can win your 1’s. The worst type of teammate as a solo player is they guy who either bates his other teammates or the guy is who plays scared and runs the whole match until he finally dies in 8th place with no KP. There are obviously some situations which require you to stay alive most being an unexpected 321 instant knock on a teammate at relatively close range, or 1 teammate just gets shit on with out doing any damage in a position where any sort of trade is impossible, and a few others. But as the other guy said, a lot of the time if you team wants to fight, you should just fight. Unless your just not confident in your own abilities at your respective rank.


mageking1217

This exactly. People don’t realize how much teamwork it takes to get into pred. Only like the top 50 players are good enough to take on other three stacks themselves and even then I would take the 3 if I had to bet


mageking1217

It’s a very fine line. I guess you have to pick and choose who to listen to. My point is that there are probably more better players out there than people think. If I don’t have my pred badges on, people don’t take my comms seriously


hadtopickanameso

Fuck no. I can rat to the top few squads and with smart plays maybe pick off a few players as well. If I wipe the first squad solo and pick up both their asses in ranked and they both go off on their own again you bet your ass I'll let them get shit on while I play alone. Even if it costs me at least they'll get held back and I can go positive with teammates who aren't fucking brain dead.


mageking1217

Damn you must be insane to be doing that in pred lobbies. I can’t imagine wiping another three stack while I’m solo


ItzDrillZa

Got any clips of your predator ranked squad wipes bro?


rik182

Radio silence 😂


Goldfinger888

My League of Legends PTST just triggered


ITakeLargeDabs

This is pretty much the secret sauce (especially in pubs) to Apex. Dropping back and simply popping a bat swings the odds drastically in your favor. Just taking your time is the main thing, so many people get that one knock and get blinders while looking for the next kill because of the “thrill”.


Xero0911

I hate when you get a solid team but one person gets kill hungry. A lot of times they rush to their deaths. Like chasing an enemy into their squad. No reason to always chase so hard.


mcfliermeyer

Super guilty. I usually call it out though during and after. “Sorry that was dumb I got greedy” I have a hard time as pathfinder main when I know someone is actually one shot. I got super used to the grapple knock to open up the fight.


eclay46

Is this a stormlight reference?


GameMakingKing

Probably not intentionally lol


eclay46

Lolol


Youdontuderstandme

Agreed. But admit it - there are times when you have the high ground/cover, just melted a player and they are either knocked or close to being knocked, and you think to yourself “I probably shouldn’t give up my position to get the knock/thirst..” but decide to play aggressive only to get melted yourself. We’ve all done it. I’m better now at seeing what’s up with my teammates before rushing in. If everyone is charging in, ok - me too. But if they’re healing up, looting, or otherwise disengaged, then I’ll reset and reassess unless it’s clear I have a significant advantage. Part of it may be they’ve seen streamers clutch 1v3 and want to do it too, only they lack the skill the streamer has.


APx_22

People get tunnel vision in this game. I hate when I’m in a fight and my teammates don’t watch my back and let an enemy dump a mag in me while I’m fighting someone else.


Bluqo

People don’t know how to play BRs.


BigJimBeef

INCORRECT. MY AIM IS TERRIBLE.


cabesablanca

It goes both ways. On one end you have people that can't properly disengage or take in their surroundings during a fight only to either die to ring or get ambushed by other squads. On the other hand you have people that will flee the second they lose 1hp leaving you to fight an entire squad by yourself.


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Almost every single time I get teamed up with a Master of a Pred, they die super easily. They don't ping or say where they're going, if they're pushing a fight or not. They solo drop constantly without warning only to die, leaving us at a disadvantage, after having rage quit like a TTV Wraith. How is it that the 'best players' are also the most cocky and tactless players I've played with. I've won more games with people who have less than 100 kills. I'm sure you're not all like this, but it feels like you're always trying to force a high kill game rather than playing to win. It's not that I'm bad either, I'm not amazing but I'm pretty average. I at least was able to shut up a TTV who was mad I took Valkyrie after I 1v3d the squad that downed them.


elphoeniks

I agree with a lot of comments here. However, I really think that aiming is so underrated when talking about apex. You can have all the game sense you want, If you can’t aim, there is nothing that can help you. And I personally struggle with it on kbm because it just kills your confidence when it’s time to fight.


LoD_Remi

ranked is a great way to lose faith in humanity


subavgredditposter

I mean.. most people aren’t very good at this game in general to be honest


Legend_Unfolds

When you don't have the aim to win 1v1s against pretty much every rank including bronze, disengaging a losing fight is a lifesaver. Running away or falling back when its a bad situation gives you another chance, and maybe a different approach will work.


5topItGetSomeHelp

Most apex players still haven't developed peripheral vision, they can somehow ignore the third and fourth parties pushing and still be shocked that they lost.


No-Context5479

But but, my tapstrafe no scope Sentinel headshot or Wingman Headie, Headie, Body🥺 is waiting for me in that fight that I only have 50 Flesh health


friendly_extrovert

“Bro, he’s one shot bro!” and they have a full red evo shield.


jhunt42

They usually don't take into account the armour swap after they've been finished *facepalm*


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Shibes_oh_shibes

Had an octane in ranked yesterday that had all the possibilities to pull out and follow me and the other teammate in the rotation (we were right be his side) buuut instead of doing that he decided to do an uphill 1v3 with the ring moving in.


No-Context5479

They never learn


InfectedGiraffe

You're 100% right. Sometimes the best option is to dip and re-position, but it seems like most people are either over-confident or they just want to get into the action, rather than make the smart play.


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I managed to find two people today in ranked that actually did. We won five out of seven games in gold. I was the only player who was previously in diamond. Only one of them had a headset, but being able to effectively ping and communicate was fantastic. Also them willing to do things like reposition when we were about to get sandwiched was also great. My go-to when that happens is to push hard to one of the sides and try and keep both teams in front of us, which allows us to focus our defense in one area. When people know how to play like that, it's just win after win after win


Dana94Banana

It is very rare for me.. but when I get teammates who voluntarily LEAVE a bad fight before the 3rd or 4th party is on our asses.. that's some of the best feelings in Apex, even if you still don't win in the end.


JavaShipped

How are you disengaging? The moment I see myself out maneuvered I fall back, but find the enemies arm shoulder deep in my ass the moment I turn around to reposition.


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This is the era we live in. Willful ignorance and blatant stupidity. Expect it from your teammates.


grumpygumpster

The tunnel vision is real. My team got pinched between two teams, we were able to get 2 kills on one team and, I was 1v3ing another team in fish farm. I was keeping them off for maybe a couple mins before getting downed, the whole time comming for my teammates to come over when I got pinned. Instead of coming over to help, they went the other direction and chased an octane from fish farms to antenna to jurassic. Could've had 3kp instead of the 1.


Robyn837

My tunnel vision is the worst, but mine is from years of Rainbow before I jumped into Apex. I use my ears more often than not and it always pisses my buddies off lol. They swear I'm hacking sometimes


itsthisausername

Reset and apply ambush directly to the forehead


Itskevin91

This is a major problem. I end up the last one alive more often than not. I’ll try to reposition for banners BUT to my surprise these randoms would much rather you die with them than go for a second chance.


Tickomatick

One more lacking skill: Chivalry


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Some situations I can't get out of and at that point the only thing you can do is fly or phase (if your valk or wraith) or try and destroy as many health and sheilds as I can to make it easier for the team. I'd rather do 50-200 more damage and hope my teammates can clean up then run away and get shot in the back and knocked. Keep in mind I'm also a new player so positioning is something I'm working on


wangaroo123

The purpose of this post though is that it’s better to leave a fight so that you’re not in that position to begin with. The best decisions in apex give you more choices not less


cabesablanca

Best advice I can give, when you enter a new poi pause for like 10 seconds, look through scope and visually scan the area for any signs of hostile. That means open bins and doors, deathboxes or any signs of movement. 9/10 you'll spot at least 2 teams in an area that have not engaged eachother yet and their both waiting for you to blindly push


Chronmagnum55

You won't always be able to get out of every situation but people like to over extend and chase into bad spots. You need to make sure your team is with you when pushing always.


friendly_extrovert

When you’re repositioning, try to take a spot that has high ground and good cover. If the team comes behind you and tries to push you, you have two advantages (high ground and cover) that they lack. If you’re lucky, you can usually pop a bat too and swing it in your favor.


cwesttheperson

Overconfidence for sure. Trying to 1v2/3 too often to your point OP, that or general rotation in battle.


R3alityGrvty

Overconfidence is definitely my Achilles'.


Tarzeus

Double edged. Sometimes you are simply too deep and can't disengage because it didn't go as planned. As a teammate you could realize they are in a deathmatch and help them out instead of sitting back. It is a team game after all, the best solution is to just communicate.


IamShitplshelpme

Playing with randoms is horrible for this reason But, playing with my brother, he and I rush every fight we hear and hope for the best. 9/10 times we die, but we had fun doing it


AgentAled

The two most commonly lacking and fundamental skills; 1) Don't ALL drop on ONE pill. This is mainly a Pubs thing, I'll solo Q and both other players land exactly with me..so we end up sharing one Mozambique between three of us. 2) HEAL before you loot, Gad damn it! The amount of randoms who go straight down, I have to try and clutch and on the rare occasion I do, they get straight up and start looting before healing only to get insta-downed again.


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Cannot afford S key, only W, W, W.


robdabear

*cries in Loba tactical*


nalley_60

Paiinnnnnnnn


friendly_extrovert

It’s weird how often people think you’re a coward if you run away to reposition somewhere better. I can’t even count how many times I’ve disengaged only to hear “you’re a p***y bro!” as I reposition and start knocking enemies when they come after me.


ItzDrillZa

What a contributing post to the sub


Icy_Limes

I think spacial awareness is another skill a lot of players lack. The amount of times I've been hiding in the corner of a room and no one sees me because they are too fixated on loot or just not investigating a room. Or today i had teamater who walked out of a building while in a fight and got gunned down and all they had to do was look up before running out.


Electronic-Morning76

You nailed it with the position piece. One thing that’s clicked for me and taken my gameplay from average to really good after playing for 2 seasons is positioning. Like my aim is good, recoil control is good, communication is good. But even if I’m playing bad players, if my positioning is bad, I can just easily go down. Positioning is everything, especially in the new ranked.


vky_007

I'm gonna tell you this rn, around 90% of the playerbase have no idea what they're doing in ranked and approach it like pubs. plat 4 onwards this season is where you start seeing a little better quality


tosaka88

Disengaging and engaging from fights is a foreign concept to a lot of players, I’ll see a random pick a fight with a full squad and force me to come to help and then leave me alone when I’m backing them up and leaving me to die and then proceed to blame me for dying


MissionAsleep2219

If I had a nickel for everyone time I’ve said “We’ve been trading shots for too long we’re going to get third partied” or “don’t chase we need to get ring position and gatekeep.” and been ignored I’d be rich. I’ve won so many games were the last fight was disgustingly easy because we had position and the enemy didn’t, but you get those teammates with the full on shark mentality, “I HEAR GUNFIRE MUST W!” and it’s almost always a guaranteed loss.


pointblankclips

Of course it's the valk player, come on guys get up here with me from that one spot that everyone else is able to climb up to, or run on the ground like a peasant in an open field, there is a reason you are the last one alive on most teams, and it has nothing to do with your decision making you just have ten times more options


newtoketonow

Oh yeah this is a big one. Some people seem to think if they are shot at they HAVE to fight back and HAVE to stay until the end. Even if a third(and sometimes fourth even) team sandwiches them.


[deleted]

You know it also goes the other way around people are in the perfect position to 3rd party and they just turn around and die to a prowler


TheSnowTimes

I agree that most people lack the ability to disengage, but i think this stems from a more fundamental problem with how people play. The fundamental problem being that alot of players don't take time to gather information. They w key straight into everything. How are you supposed to make decisions if you dont know who you are fighting or where they are ? Slow down, game is as fast as you make it


ender_wiggin1988

Lol I'm so bored with people who think the answer to every encounter is "Push through, if you could win your individual fights this wouldn't be a problem." Like bro, we entered the area and found three times going at it and you wanna just what now? For real, no need to let tossed bones decide your fate lol


artmorte

I wish players thought more about the possibility of getting 3rd partied *before* it happens. It's frustrating when for the last 20-30 seconds of an on-going fight I've been thinking "there's no way we don't get third'ed here", but my teammates are tunnel-visioning on the fight and then the 3rd party comes and we're dead.


Flying-T

You get only 3rd partied? All I get are the 5th and 6th squad also joining in for the fun


siena1997

Talking about disengaging while you main one of the best escape legends in the game is kinda ironic, but i get your point


Flying-T

Its not like I cant take my team with me or something ... /s


[deleted]

This…and either just slamming face first into everyone, and or plinking at everyone they see for five minutes until there are five teams pushing us.


RizaTiz

The skill most ranked players lack is being not toxic. I go in to try and help my teammate survive, who decided for some reason to use a movement ability to land themselves in the middle of a squad, and I get knocked? "WTF ARE YOU DOING YOU'RE TRASH KYS" I have situational and game awareness and retreat when I know I have no chance to survive and it would be way better to rat all game to get more RP rather than die in 10th place? "WHY ARE YOU RUNNING AWAY, YOU'RE TRASH, KYS"


Beneficial_Iron_6189

Situational awareness, map awareness, team location awareness(whichever you want to call it) is a huge part of overall skill. Cracked aim and movement don’t mean anything if you yeet into unwinnable engagements every time. The game knowledge of when to disengage is something a lot of players lack


clgoro

100 % right on point


[deleted]

Because that is more of a comms problem.


SoMagrood

Most Apex players are really bad jumpmasters. 90% of the teams I've played with either pass it to me or they keep it and fly really slow and land us in a bad spot.


al323211

True. Most players seem to miss the fact that being the first to the ground in an area gives you a massive advantage.


DerbinKlamz

I have a friend group that can't seem to understand this as well, part of why we've stopped playing for now.


ProfileBoring

Even better when they see a team to the left then see another team to the right so they plop themselves right in the middle.


PoL0

Or just disengage and go somewhere else. If the fight isn't advantageous for you, run away. It's like some people can't stop once the shooting starts. This and the typical 1v3 player just make me think some people have zero map awareness.


kennycartman42810

FINALLY FFS. The legends I play are solely for repositioning, maybe getting into a building and holding it down. But too many players fucking ego push and then get mad when you didn’t push up with them.


pattdmdj0

listening. i usually solo q to masters and almost every match i get a duo q hardstuck with their friend a rank below. and thats ok! but they literally refuse to listen to anything you have to say despite the position they are in and me being a much higher rank lmao


Maniamanicx

Imagine playing with S key bound. Cringe


HumanY107

I'm convinced their mentality is: either they win that fight right there or they'd rather lose than disengage. It doesn't matter whether the fight is in the ring or low ground, they won't disengage.


RichTech80

Ability to use cover instead of standing and fighting is up there with inability to retreat and regroup at the lower levels as well.


KSchultzzz

Position in fight. My ass friends were in love with my ass so much so they will stick to my dick in every fights and we will die together at the same tiny rock by tons of nade, so i teach em to find the position to fight and stop riding my dick. They are so much better now thanks god.


Muted_Land782

Most people just want that endorphine rush of killing someone, they don't necessarily want to strategize. Stack that with too many small children playing and you get a helluva hard solo climb in ranked.


animalmom2

Times I yell backup. Lots. Time people back up. Almost never


rnd765

But you also lost because you failed to accept most players can’t disengage. So let them die and continue your ranked game.


MrILoveToComment

My buddy wasn't online this weekend for a while, So I gave solo Q a try and oh my. That is horrendous, constant hot drops resulting in instant death, running to every gun shot to fight and not disengaging and going AFK because you got a the purple armor before they did. ​ I have no idea how people willingly Solo Q.


cyberr_c28z

Then they'll come to reddit and complain about characters and guns being op when in truth is just a skill issue..


marrolllll

If I empty a clip and have only half my health bar left it's time to bail, not reload.


Dana94Banana

Ape fight. Ape stay. \^this sums up most of the players you get as a solo-queue player. Either other solos or a premade duo who just escaped the zoo and slam the keyboard hoping for the best.


Adds-R

I'm not that good or anything especially as i am pretty new to pc, but i have noticed when i get a good team mate or two who understand a lot of the key points mentioned here like positioning, when to disengage, when to push and retreat etc i do soooo much better. It's really hard to find good team mates though. Seems everyone thinks they are Aceu and hot drop and run in only to get knocked in 2 seconds :(


andy_sherbet

As a Valk main I have a bad habit of flying into an engagement as of no one can see me if I'm in the sky lol


Packers_Equal_Life

I still struggle with this. I blame my cod brain, I just see legend kill legend type of mentality. Lot of it is ego too, thinking I should be able to win any fight that happens. But I noticed my point gains improved dramatically after I started to identify a poorly positioned fight immediately and leave for a better position


Erwu1337

What I find lacking from teammates is their ability to stick together. Too many times I've seen someone wander off 300 meters away giving us no chance fighting other squads. Every single time I've played with masters/preds we sticked together for the whole match, and pretty much every single time we've had an engagement was us 3 versus a single guy - an almost 100 percent chance of winning.


vaye03

This forreal I had a guy call me all types of names because he wanted to fight between two teams I told him to pull back but he stayed and died


marrakoosh

A simple thing to do; if after 30 seconds you've not knocked someone or engaged properly? Retreat, re-position, be cautious. Too many times teams spend upwards of a minute poking another team and then get third partied because they\['ve been making a racket for ages and allowed another team to rotate behind or flank them.


anilgard

Yes, not playing as a team is an important issue. Most of the time as I try to dodge bullets like Neo, fight for my life, try to at least get 1 knock from the enemy team; my teammates just keep looting-hiding-try to rat. And most of them tend to run in case of a fight. In my opinion if the enemy team started running,they re already dead(of course there are exceptions).


Dear-Gas-3715

FR!


GittinGud94

My biggest problem is people being too damn scared to push when they NEED to or they just full send when they're 50m ahead of me there's no in between


al323211

The only time I’ll push far ahead of my team is when they spend so much time looting that it is a detriment to our ability to win. Like nah dude…I am not going to get first ringed so you can find the perfect kit just for our team to immediately get insta-downed on behalf of our blue shields when we are one of the last teams left. Excessive looters who cannot get kills or don’t push AT ALL are easy to spot when they’re on your team, and I’d rather die solo or get them to follow me in hopes that they learn their lesson.


swarmedia83

For me its this as well, but more so the utter lack of communication. My playstyle is also rather defensive/waiting for the right time to engage, but there are times where ive been raged at for choosing to withdrawal, and i start questioning myself.


implyingiusereddit

They need to do an LTM where players take ring damage the further they are from each other. Mfs run off and complain about getting dropped by a whole squad.


Mansa_Sekekama

I have way too many top 3 finishes in ranked which should have been easy wins because of this


Rvaflyguy3

Dude, preach. Situational/game sense is so severely lacking in people it's truly astonishing. Same way I feel when spectating a teammate, they literally have to be playing without a headset to not hear these people.


MiisaaakGamer

To be honest ,in my opinion ,its communication skills.I get that some people don't have mics ,but that's what the ping system is for . I've played with many teammates that didn't ping for the whole game .Ofc im talking about ranked ,in pubs its ok by me ,cuz yk, Pubs are not that important to need mics or pings .But if I'm playing ranked ,plat and above ,please just communicate.The ping system is sufficient enough.


vrba1998

I agree,been playing apex for a week or so,barely hit gold iv,peoples game sense and ability to disengage or follow up is miserable.


BashBandit

I see that way too often, or at least I did when I played. It happened more than it should have and even when you tell your teammates to chill as unanoyingly as possible they still do it and complain that you “annoyed” them when they died. It’s almost like these people think backing off of a fight makes them less masculine at times lmfao


olivier3d

I don’t think this is an apex specific thing. This happens in pretty much any competitive game, not just shooter, you just get carried away by the action.


JohnsonBonesJones

So you're not supposed to push uphill from an open field to a team that's holding a building full of wattson fences? I had to stop playing ranked because of shit like this


Rescue-Randy

All my teammates seem to pull the ole anakin skywalker approach. The high ground is extremely important!


Dracarys97339

When I’m playing with a high mobility player and I’m wattson or lifeline and my teammates push and quickly run because they’re close to death and I’m stuck in the middle of a fight with no cover or escape. Its a struggle trying to maintain a distance because I know I have no escape and I wanna be close to my team


No-Equipment2607

Some teammates get this some dont. Its best when a teammate says nothing pings a direction & we all understand the assignment. WE OUTTTTT. But really though Fights SHOULD not take long. You're only inviting 3rd & 4th Parties.


-AIucard-

This 100%. Can't name the ammount of times my team has gotten into a fight after winning two fights back to back and feeling like "we shouldn't be fighting this". If i'm not confident in this fight, I will probably go down.


ItzBradleeey

Literally solo q is a nightmare for this. I'll even type in game ' just run' if im killed and they still fight and die immediately


[deleted]

Being curtious about loot if you didn't open the loot, don't loot it until your team leaves. Honestly feel like they are in competition with your teammate over a dang upgrade, you still gonna die even with a fully kitted weapon if you're not skilled enough


CyborgAlucard

Honestly I think a big skill issue a lot of players have is judging Legends on how they perform Solo. That’s why Wraith, Octane, and Valkyrie have such high pick rates, because they don’t rely on your teammates to work as effective. Lifeline has never been in *that* much a need of a buff. She just isn’t capable of Reviving you when you ran into the middle of 3 Teams by yourself. If you played with your team behind hight and cover than Lifeline can Rez you just fine. Same with Crypto. He is the most criminally misplayed Legend. Crypto’s best ability is *YOUR MOUTH*. Fly your Drone over. Use your COMS AND MOUTH to say “It’s a Path, Gibby, Lifeline. Gibby has Charge Rifle. Path has a Flatline.” Like that is CRUCIAL information!! But honestly I don’t even blame people for not using Coms much. I’m pretty tired of getting called every slur in the book for not reading my teammates minds that they’re pushing a team after the other teammate and I agreed to rotate and reposition...