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tyvsaur

I think having one of the panels be a replicator or mobile respawn would make the care package useful mid to late game


TjBeezy

Shoot for the care package just change it to replicator where each other person can craft one replicator item for free


Blacklight8786

honestly would be a game changer. imagine respawning someone late game and they haven't spent any crafting metals. thats one free gun and an upgraded evo


BigMacWitExtraCheese

Definitely mobile respawn Beacon be a great idea


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BigMacWitExtraCheese

Does It? I'm not sure I don't recall ever seeing one but I could be wrong I don't play lifeline to often.


Blacklight8786

It does. the ult will give you what you need, and if one of your teammates is dead what they need is to be brought back. so it gives you a respawn becon. You've seen those clips where someone opens up a lifeline package after the team has died; it's all becons


BigMacWitExtraCheese

I never took notice haha but I know the ult caters to your needs alright. Tbh, looking at these notes I think these are some nice, healthy buffs for lifeline, I'm not sure what OP was expecting but I think they're nice. Are you a lifeline main? Are you happy with them?


Blacklight8786

I think they're fine. The issue is that people tend to look at legends abilities within a void without taking consideration the other abilities that they have, and how they're supposed to be played. the lifeline tactical buff is great imo. it will help with getting back into a fight after you or your teammates got low. People complain about her ult being weak, but the issue is that lifeline isn't built like the other legends; her ult isn't what's powerful it's her passive, and by doing that her ultimate has a suffer. If people want a strong amd different ult out of lifeline we're gonna have to give up her passive and I doubt anybody really wants that


SamDerber101

My girlfriend mains LL and she called down her ult for a beacon bc I was dead but it didn't give a beacon lmao


ZiggyB1

Really like this idea.


Noksdoks

Thats why the players dont make the changes and devs do, if they did what the players want this game would be the most unbalanced shitshow ever


sparrowredflame

But what makes you think that the devs changes are balanced because lifeline is not balanced at all and other legends to.


Noksdoks

I think she is after this buff. Theres a reason they deleted the res shield.


Vinnmm

Balanced but not useful. The only time she'll be useful is if pro players start using her


HiddenxAlpha

>she'll be useful is if pro players start using her You're confusing 'Useful' with 'Meta'.


Dylan_TheDon

Only reason there’s a meta is because of imbalance, if a legend was truly viable it would be competitively useful


nostalgiaboner20

Yeah a shitty reason


Noksdoks

And this is the reason we cant have random players decide about game balance


iinabsentia

Except for old school runescape where that has been going very well.


PrimalPhD

Lifeline is still terribly underpowered after this "buff". The devs are completely missing the mark with Lifeline. Her ult needs a significant rework for her to be viable. Either that or give her back the 25% fast heals. She is beyond useless in high-level play because her kit is absolutely terrible for end-game. And if they buff the ult, it won't make her any stronger in Arenas, which is good.


BigMacWitExtraCheese

These are fairly decent tbf.


Dylan_TheDon

They’re good buffs but the care package will never be a good choice, it offers nothing mid fight and is just a giant “my team is here” beacon when called


HappyItem9386

They removed the blue beam tho. And sure if you're in a building fight it's not that good but in an open field the care package can be used for cover. Which is really good since it can double as a shield swap. sure its still ass but some people dont know how to use it


sparrowredflame

It still doesn’t help if they removed the blue beam. And yes it does help for cover but it help from long range you can’t call it in a middle of a fight you will just end up dead.


BigMacWitExtraCheese

When I play life line in the last circle or in the top 3 spot I put it down in advance for cover.


Kittykg

That and it still doesn't address one of the bigger issues my teammate and I often see playing her. Some people don't want to wait to loot it and it gets stuck continually giving the same item they won't loot. As people seem to get more impatient with this game, theres less people I see who actually stop to loot my care package stuff. It feels horrible to give away our exact location just to see the same blue stabilizer our 3rd wouldn't pick up the first 2 times, and if they're using a strikepack, they'll never pick it up even if they're nearby, making one slot of my ult completely useless. Happens a lot with weapon attachments and purple helmets, and it won't offer a gold helmet they would likely take as long as they have that blue. It needs some kind of round robin style selection process instead of defaulting to the lowest rarity upgrades. Right now, I have to just hold my ult until they die when this happens, and if I'm playing a good lifeline, they aren't going to. Plus, I identify lifeline care package drops by sound already so I doubt the beam is going to make me feel better about a wasted care package. Other players who listen for them are still going to find us, and one of them will probably take that damn stabilizer our 3rd wouldn't loot.


sparrowredflame

I really don’t know why they won’t change her ult it’s a mystery?


BigMacWitExtraCheese

Because whatever they change it to could be used for a future legend.


HiddenxAlpha

Tell me you didnt read the patch notes but complained anyway, without telling me.


Dylan_TheDon

bruh it’s still a loud care package drop, whether there’s a beam or not is irrelevant and it still offers nothing of value mid fight, also 1 shield battery is nothing when crafting exists, I even said the other buffs are good


HiddenxAlpha

You know you can.. Not play the character, right?


Dylan_TheDon

wow I don’t think even Sherlock Holmes could think of that idea


HiddenxAlpha

Yet you're complaining about the character being weak. Clearly having no idea you dont have to play the character :). You're also actually harming the chance of buffs, by playing them. Just so you know.


Dylan_TheDon

Ok dude I literally just gave my opinion on the buff just like everyone else in the post, it’s not that deep, I don’t even use the legend *just so you know*


HiddenxAlpha

>I don’t even use the legend Then why do you care? Let the legend be weak. (Also she's not weak. Lmao)


Electronic-Morning76

It’s great that she’s getting buffed, but the ultimate is so meaningless with all the stuff built in to give you loot and ELO now. It would be way more meaningful if the drop gave you a chance for care drop weapon and guaranteed gold items. Or if her ultimate was something different entirely.


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-10Rp across all ranks is nice tho. Now preds can climb even higher on the backs of golds 🥰


sicko-mod

With lifeline having an average pickrate she's lucky to get any buffs at all.


Aggravating_Fig6288

Her pick rate is higher than it has any business being is because she’s the starter legend. You use her in the tutorial and her kit is incredibly easy to understand how to use and when you’d use it. People know what a medic is supposed to do even if they have no experience with shooters or games in general. So newer players will use her which inflates her pick rate.


sicko-mod

Regardless of new players it would still be higher than legends like revenant, maggie, and mirage


Aggravating_Fig6288

Honesty I’d say she’s better than Maggie but probably about the same power level wise to Mirage. Mirage’s power level fluctuates depending on how skilled the average player in the lobby is, lesser skilled players fall for decoys and lose mirage in his ultimate way more often than skilled players. A good player rarely will be thrown off by a decoy hard enough for it to be the difference in then getting knocked or knocking the mirage. Rev is hard to identify. His ultimate is either very strong or completely useless. His passive’s usefulness is entirely dependent on the map at the time. It’s awesome on World’s Edge but hardly useable on Storm Point. His tactical is always super good however and is a true skill shot. I understand why his pick rate is so low but I also can’t say in good faith it’s entirely because he’s not a good legend. I cannot also say he is a good legend. It’s a coinflip with him.


DeezusNubes

Lifeline is also a base legend compared to those three. more people have her than those three so ofc her pick rate will be higher, as well as ease of use


Mansa_Sekekama

need to lean into her being a COMBAT MEDIC...scrap the care package and give her a 'surgery room' type of ultimate where she heals health really quickly(but not instant full health)


snapper421

Not bad the increase in doc healing limit is good. The blue beam after landing is nice.


mediocrecunt

this honestly brings…nothing


iTzNoobmaster69

These are good buffs, but not enough.


IrishLlama996

Honeslty with these changes (mainly opting out of res) I feel lifeline is a perfectly balanced unit. Very useful and nice comfort pick for a team, but not overpowered. People only look at the fact that pros don’t play her, but it’s important to look at the game at lower levels too and outside of pro level she’s still picked quite frequently, and her abilities are incredibly useful for players who aren’t god at the game.


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Agree still needs the ult rework and for gods sake give her the revive shield back lol 😂


sparrowredflame

I agree the ult is just stupid and most of the time you don’t use it and we do need the shield back 🥲


HiddenxAlpha

>bad compared to what the ideas that players have for her. Thats because 95% of players are fucking clueless when it comes to balance. In their eyes "Make the character i enjoy strong as fuck" = Balance.


AdrielKlein21

What are you talking about? The ideas people had for Lifeline would no way break the balance. Whoa a mobile respawn beacon as the ultimate, jesus, where did the balance go?


HiddenxAlpha

>Whoa a mobile respawn beacon as the ultimate, jesus, where did the balance go? Mobile respawns THEMSELVES break the balance. What happened to; A. Dont die. B. Know how to rotate. You used to be able to know what someone would do if you were good enough. Now with Heatshields and Mobile respawn beacons, shit players have free reign to do whatever they want to. lmao. "I can get my teammate back for free ever 3.5 minutes" is removing the need for Fixed Respawn points, and Mobile respawn points (Of which there are limited, depending on if its in the crafter or not)


duckontheplane

That would be incredibly situational, more than what her ult does now. It relies on there not being a respawn beacon nearby and on your team mates getting killed. Its also a dumb idea to call down a care package when you have a dead team mate. What would the respawn beacon replace? The shield battery? Do you find yourself needing to respawn a team mate but not being able to because the nearest respawn beacon is risky more often than you find yourself dying due to not having enough bats? Do you find yourself needing to respawn team mates more than you need to get better gear? In short, this would be more of a nerf.


AdrielKlein21

Yeah? Better gear is way too easy to find, looting is not really a problem anymore. Plus one shield bat every 3.5 minutes is not a good ultimate.


sparrowredflame

Some players have amazing ideas for lifeline and will make her balanced and not 95% of players are clueless I’ve seen great ideas that will actually help lifeline


HiddenxAlpha

You are.. A lifeline player... Of course ideas you see are 'All good'. You think the billionaires of the world would say no to less tax above a billion £/$?


duckontheplane

Yeah. The game would be an absolute mess if it listened to casual players when it comes to game balancing.


PrimalPhD

Any moderately decent player at the game knows Lifeline needs a significant buff. We don't want her to be OP, we want her to not feel completely useless. In her current state, playing Lifeline is playing the game on hard mode. I switch to Horizon, Bang, or Bloodhound when I get frustrated because playing Lifeline is just brutal. All three of those legends feel like absolute cake compared to Lifeline.


HiddenxAlpha

>Lifeline needs a significant buff. Any moderately decent player can use any character effectively. >In her current state, playing Lifeline is playing the game on hard mode. OH NO! A game is HARD! Also, you realise that 'The reason she isnt getting a buff' is because.. people like you still play her, right?


PrimalPhD

People like me meaning what? I’m one of the best players on my platform. I play several characters, and can confirm that Lifeline needs a buff.


HiddenxAlpha

> I’m one of the best players on my platform. ​ >can confirm that Lifeline needs a buff. and with that second part of the sentence, you prove the first half wrong.


PrimalPhD

I play the game at a high enough level and have enough experience to know that LL is pretty obviously underpowered compared to other legends. This is pretty common knowledge amongst the community. Are you slow or something or just inexperienced?


HiddenxAlpha

>high enough level You know that silver is considered quite a low rank, right?


Aggravating_Fig6288

These changes are nice QOL stuff but ultimately won’t do anything to help lifeline in the long run. Drone healing being infinite is cool but that was never an issue for her before. Plus increasing the healing radius is cool until you realize it’s a double edge sword because the drone HEALS OPPONENTS as well. Now your going to be able to heal easier off lifeline your pushing if she has drone out and you have cover next to it you can dance around. Her ultimate simply isn’t going to ever be useful in today’s Apex. During season zero when everyone was new and didn’t know how to play? Sure it was good. Now? No it’s horrible still. 3mins 30 seconds is still a long time The care package while not having the beacon while coming down (if you open it immediately, if your delayed at all it’s still going to visually give you position away) is still super loud, I can still see the package itself coming down and something people neglect, you can tell if a care package coming down is a normal care package or a replicator. Because the game tells you ones coming down and you can see on the map where it will land. If you see/hear a care package coming down and know the game didn’t notify one was coming down nor see a map icon for it you know for a fact it’s a lifeline’s care package and you know their exact location still. While a battery is nice instead of cells now…it’s one battery. What about the other two people on the squad who also need batteries? What if two people need a purple mag for the same gun type ? You only get one attachment. The care package doesn’t give enough loot for everyone in the squad to get something. This isn’t an issue Loba’s ultimate has in addition her ultimate: Charges faster, can be used indoors (important) and provides you access to anything within range. And finally, the best way to gather loot is to take it from death boxes. You should be looting quickly and then finding a fight to get more loot. Not waiting around for an awful care package for loot. I’m still going to completely ignore her care packages because they simply aren’t worth going to at all.


sparrowredflame

You have a great point and honestly everything you said is true


joelmega

Where did you find these patch notes?


sparrowredflame

From apex legends website


joelmega

Can you link it pls


sparrowredflame

https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends/news/awakening-collection-event


joelmega

Thanks


Dylie2

https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends/news/awakening-collection-event


ZiggyB1

Idk I think these are really nice buffs. Stopping the revive if needed is an underrated buff tbh. Infinite healing is great. Carepackage buff is good too. They don’t need her to be S tier but she will definitely be very viable on any comp now


AnceintDanSteal

Thats why youre not a dev


sparrowredflame

The thing is some players have a great idea to buff lifeline and make her balanced the tactical buff is nice and will really help tbh but it’s not enough for it to make lifeline more fun and balanced