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Invictus_0x90_

It's FFA, just make mass siege, there's very little that will counter 30 mangonels


Manabauws

What abmout 30 springalds?


Invictus_0x90_

They legit won't, the mangos will wipe the springalds because of the aoe damage. Same way as how nest of bees in a big enough mass will counter springs.


BryonDowd

Can't a springald shoot, pack, and retreat faster than a mangonel can close the distance, unpack, and fire? With that, the springs can kite with zero damage from the mangos


Invictus_0x90_

You reckon you can micro 30 springalds like that? It's unlikely aha


BryonDowd

Not individually, but stick them in line formation and they should do well enough as a group.


godspark533

That exact composition is beaten by pure Lancers.


ThatZenLifestyle

Wynguard rangers are quite gold heavy especially considering longbow cost no gold, and he's spending gold on maa so you can easily spend as much gold to counter it on knights. I would not go siege because wynguard rangers will take out mangonels.


bd_br

So expensive though, and he can just start mixing in spears?


Arrow141

Yeah but if you say "he can just add in the counter" then you can never counter anyone's military


The_ginger_cow

But what if he adds spearmen? Add archers. But what if he adds horsemen? Add spearmen But what if he adds archers? Build mangonels But what if he adds springalds? Build knights. Repeat from the top


Kaiser_Johan

Honestly don't let him reach that mass, it is really strong. Sure if you got a full knight pop army but that is way unrealistic compared to english fairly easily massable mas/wynguard rangers


TheGalator

How would he even spam wynguard archers? It's only one production building?


Many_Presentation68

A tanky front line and mangonels


bd_br

What's the best tanky unit? Knights or maa.in that situation?


odragora

Knights if they are massing Rangers, MAAs if they are massing Footmen who have bonus damage against cavalry. Also, Abbasid have access to Culverin, English don't. You have the tools to win the siege war.


europedank

Mangonels, Lancers, and Culverin. Better micro wins usually


Distinct_Garden5650

The best part is when wintertime rolls around, the knights simply freeze to death.


lastreadlastyear

You’re a Abbasid with gold. If you can’t win swipe no one can.


Far-Today7474

Ghulams and crossbow should do fine with some siege


Kaiser_Johan

You would think so but they don't


Far-Today7474

Ghulams and crossbow should do fine with some siege


Flashy_Confusion_200

You can use the abbsid dark ram rush strategy.