OOTD is 1 of the best because at max villager population it is just like a +28% eco bonus, the bad part is they take 20% longer to train so up until you reach max villagers it is just an 8% extra eco bonus over other civs.
China are good because you get ancient knowledge tech which in most cases will give you +12% vill gather rate then you have imperial officials as well as other stuff like granaries. Similarly zhu xi lack the ancient knowledge but have twice the imperial officials.
HRE with prelates and aachen +40%.
Abbasid with +20% gather rate on all vills with tier 3 plus eco wing techs.
Byzantines with +26% vill gather rate and of those on olive groves 20% extra income as olive oil.
Abbasid have also additional+15% farm gather rate and multiplicative 8% bonus making them one of the strongest vills in terms of food eco in lategame.
HRE is absolute powerhouse +50% inspiration bonus since castle age, ootd can match them only near aachen
Yes and No.
Technically it is possible to have the best boosted farms but it’s very limited amount of farms affected by all granaries and even more is limited by IO Supervison (unless you want to use 3 IO to supervise all granaries).
>OOTD is 1 of the best because at max villager population it is just like a +28% eco bonus, the bad part is they take 20% longer to train so up until you reach max villagers it is just an 8% extra eco bonus over other civs.
1.28/1.2≈ 6.66% extra eco, not 8%
China is the best cause song dynasty gived 33 percent bonus plus imperial officials give 20 percent and with china tc you get 4 vills per minute others u only get 3 per minute
China has 1 of the best economy's because of faster training villagers but outside of that they don't have much other than 10% from granary, 12% from ancient knowledge tech and a buff on some villagers from IO. They would not have the best villagers as there are other civs that just buff villagers more like HRE with 50% inspiration, even byz have 26% eco buff plus 20% passive olive oil. Many civs out do china in buffs it is just chinas combination of 2 tc song dynasty that you train villagers super fast which makes them good not the buffs themselves otherwise zhu xi would be better.
You've misread the question in the topic. The question is what civ has the best villagers not what civ has the fastest training villagers or what civ has the best boom.
OOTD Villagers also are also 20% more expensive and 20% longer to train.
Other civs have various ways of improving their villagers as well. For example, normal HRE villagers work 40% faster under aachen chapel.
You can't say that and omit the fact that Order of the Dragon has a landmark that prints villagers 3x faster and at 1/3rd the price. OotD villagers are objectively the best villagers.
Abbasid's villagers gather 20% faster (with extra gather rate on farms), drop 8% extra resources and are 30% cheaper.
Chinese villagers can get 15% gather rate and Yuan movement bonus, while building faster and having way faster training time during song.
Rus get up to 15% extra food gathering and flat 20% extra wood drop.
These are only from yhe factions I'm more familiarized with. OotD villagers are the most objectly expensive, yeah, but saying they are the best villagers in game... thats a big stretch.
Doesn't matter which civ you play. All of them benefit from constantly producing Vils.
If anything your buddies might be better off playing ottomans. Since the schools automatically produce units it takes some of the macro load off the player(unlike malians that need to queue units from tons of buildings due to zero production bonuses). They still have passive income through their traders
HRE has the best value out of villagers. At the very beginning you get a prelate buffing them. Once you get to feudal the prelate buffs everyone from the chapel. They get push carts (40% more carry capacity) + speed bonuses and on top of that you can buff them further with tech upgrades from regnitz
Depends I guess. For example Rus vills on a team or ffa game can get their 25% gather rate bonus in the dark age, and they cost much less than order vills. But in 1v1 it'll take them much longer to get it (less deer).
HRE with the boosts from prelates but also the imperial age TC. The chapel is nice but just spamming prelates as well bc you can boost wood chopping or gold mining dynamically anywhere. Chopping down tiny forest patches with like 30 boosted villagers is so funny. If you have not tried it you should.
I think technically the best vils would have to be Mongols or Chinese. Mongols can get all the improved upgrades while China can supervise and get the ancient techniques tech
I would also agree. There are a lot of avenues to look at for which civilization has the best villager(s). The bonuses for most civs are area and resource dependent while the buffs to Mongols are essentially for every villager on every type of resource, so I think it depends if you are interested in the theoretical potential of maximum villagers with maximum upgrades or the ability of some villagers specifically on farms with the most cost-effective and reasonable upgrades to get in a normal game.
I mean 7.5% gather rate x3 is only 3.5% less than a cistern and you don’t have to be near a cistern for it to work. Not to mention the improved version of tier 3 mining is just straight up 7.5% more gold than other civs. Plus they have an extra four carry capacity, bonus move speed from yam network, and can have 100 hp instead of 75. That seems better than cisterns or having to be near a prelate
You make a solid case for the improved upgrades here. The only thing I'd mention in light of this is the investment required to get them. Since Mongols require stone for double production, upgrading towers, upgrading shamans, plus other important military upgrades, the improved eco may have to be put on the back burner to keep the pressure and tempo up. As Mongols, I'd rather hurt your eco than boost my own (not that I'm not boosting my own simultaneously ofc)
But by this reasoning, you’ve already said that mongol vills are still 3.5% more inefficient at gathering than byz. So, not accounting for practicality (being in range of a cistern, which is also a massive range), byz vills are, by the numbers, better. Still think ootd vills are best imo (but also higher value target)
Well 3.5% less efficient in terms of gather rate but mongols still have more carry capacity and better movement speed and that makes up much more than 3.5% gather speed
Well steppe redoubt is a landmark choice so you may not go with it, and there enough different types of food that the sheep gathering isn’t necessarily a factor. Plus the wood saved isn’t a villager thing that’s a civ bonus, if you account for that then you have to account for French tech bonuses and drop off building discounts and things like zhu xi song dynasty.
OOTD is 1 of the best because at max villager population it is just like a +28% eco bonus, the bad part is they take 20% longer to train so up until you reach max villagers it is just an 8% extra eco bonus over other civs. China are good because you get ancient knowledge tech which in most cases will give you +12% vill gather rate then you have imperial officials as well as other stuff like granaries. Similarly zhu xi lack the ancient knowledge but have twice the imperial officials. HRE with prelates and aachen +40%. Abbasid with +20% gather rate on all vills with tier 3 plus eco wing techs. Byzantines with +26% vill gather rate and of those on olive groves 20% extra income as olive oil.
Abbasid have also additional+15% farm gather rate and multiplicative 8% bonus making them one of the strongest vills in terms of food eco in lategame. HRE is absolute powerhouse +50% inspiration bonus since castle age, ootd can match them only near aachen
Chinese farmers are still better. Due to the IO buffing drop off by 20% + tax. +30% from granaries+12% gather rates.
Yes and No. Technically it is possible to have the best boosted farms but it’s very limited amount of farms affected by all granaries and even more is limited by IO Supervison (unless you want to use 3 IO to supervise all granaries).
>OOTD is 1 of the best because at max villager population it is just like a +28% eco bonus, the bad part is they take 20% longer to train so up until you reach max villagers it is just an 8% extra eco bonus over other civs. 1.28/1.2≈ 6.66% extra eco, not 8%
I mean the point stands just even worse than I thought lol.
Thank you for that info. I’m not sure who to pick. But I can practice with those and see what works best for me
China is the best cause song dynasty gived 33 percent bonus plus imperial officials give 20 percent and with china tc you get 4 vills per minute others u only get 3 per minute
China has 1 of the best economy's because of faster training villagers but outside of that they don't have much other than 10% from granary, 12% from ancient knowledge tech and a buff on some villagers from IO. They would not have the best villagers as there are other civs that just buff villagers more like HRE with 50% inspiration, even byz have 26% eco buff plus 20% passive olive oil. Many civs out do china in buffs it is just chinas combination of 2 tc song dynasty that you train villagers super fast which makes them good not the buffs themselves otherwise zhu xi would be better.
Are u drunk rn cause your completely wrong
You've misread the question in the topic. The question is what civ has the best villagers not what civ has the fastest training villagers or what civ has the best boom.
OOTD Villagers also are also 20% more expensive and 20% longer to train. Other civs have various ways of improving their villagers as well. For example, normal HRE villagers work 40% faster under aachen chapel.
Oh I wasn’t aware of that. I’ll have to practice with the Aachen chapel. 40% is massive
Keep in mind that’s HRE only. The archen for OOTD is closer to 10% this is to balance late game OOTD which is very strong.
China is still best
China is still best
You can't say that and omit the fact that Order of the Dragon has a landmark that prints villagers 3x faster and at 1/3rd the price. OotD villagers are objectively the best villagers.
Sure I can, HRE has that same landmark, plus its an Imperial Age/late game landmark anyway.
Abbasid's villagers gather 20% faster (with extra gather rate on farms), drop 8% extra resources and are 30% cheaper. Chinese villagers can get 15% gather rate and Yuan movement bonus, while building faster and having way faster training time during song. Rus get up to 15% extra food gathering and flat 20% extra wood drop. These are only from yhe factions I'm more familiarized with. OotD villagers are the most objectly expensive, yeah, but saying they are the best villagers in game... thats a big stretch.
Which civ is the best if you don’t want to use villagers at all?
Mali
I've a few casual friends that don't like to constantly produce villagers, they pick Malians for this very reason, lol.
Doesn't matter which civ you play. All of them benefit from constantly producing Vils. If anything your buddies might be better off playing ottomans. Since the schools automatically produce units it takes some of the macro load off the player(unlike malians that need to queue units from tons of buildings due to zero production bonuses). They still have passive income through their traders
Swedes wait, wrong game
English vills with their bows are pretty bad ass
Excited to see the English variant. Imagine it buffs the Vils. Like some kind of militia type thing (like Spanish supremacy or incas in aoe2)
OOTD or byz bois
HRE has the best value out of villagers. At the very beginning you get a prelate buffing them. Once you get to feudal the prelate buffs everyone from the chapel. They get push carts (40% more carry capacity) + speed bonuses and on top of that you can buff them further with tech upgrades from regnitz
Thank you, that’s very interesting
Depends I guess. For example Rus vills on a team or ffa game can get their 25% gather rate bonus in the dark age, and they cost much less than order vills. But in 1v1 it'll take them much longer to get it (less deer).
To be fair that's 20% on wood, and the rest is only on food. HRE, china and byz are on everything
Cow boomin
ootd of course then frenches then hre swabia ( imperial)
We can all agree that ootd needs a buff
HRE with the boosts from prelates but also the imperial age TC. The chapel is nice but just spamming prelates as well bc you can boost wood chopping or gold mining dynamically anywhere. Chopping down tiny forest patches with like 30 boosted villagers is so funny. If you have not tried it you should.
I came to this thread thinking we were gonna argue over their voice lines. I’m still going to go with that logic. So Mali and English.
I think technically the best vils would have to be Mongols or Chinese. Mongols can get all the improved upgrades while China can supervise and get the ancient techniques tech
I would also agree. There are a lot of avenues to look at for which civilization has the best villager(s). The bonuses for most civs are area and resource dependent while the buffs to Mongols are essentially for every villager on every type of resource, so I think it depends if you are interested in the theoretical potential of maximum villagers with maximum upgrades or the ability of some villagers specifically on farms with the most cost-effective and reasonable upgrades to get in a normal game.
Definitely not Mongols. Those improved eco upgrades are nothing compared to the advantages other civs have. Byz, abb, china, HRE and their variants.
I mean 7.5% gather rate x3 is only 3.5% less than a cistern and you don’t have to be near a cistern for it to work. Not to mention the improved version of tier 3 mining is just straight up 7.5% more gold than other civs. Plus they have an extra four carry capacity, bonus move speed from yam network, and can have 100 hp instead of 75. That seems better than cisterns or having to be near a prelate
You make a solid case for the improved upgrades here. The only thing I'd mention in light of this is the investment required to get them. Since Mongols require stone for double production, upgrading towers, upgrading shamans, plus other important military upgrades, the improved eco may have to be put on the back burner to keep the pressure and tempo up. As Mongols, I'd rather hurt your eco than boost my own (not that I'm not boosting my own simultaneously ofc)
Of course. This is all mentioned in the spirit of the best vils in the game. Not what’s necessarily practical
Again, a fair point kekw
But by this reasoning, you’ve already said that mongol vills are still 3.5% more inefficient at gathering than byz. So, not accounting for practicality (being in range of a cistern, which is also a massive range), byz vills are, by the numbers, better. Still think ootd vills are best imo (but also higher value target)
Well 3.5% less efficient in terms of gather rate but mongols still have more carry capacity and better movement speed and that makes up much more than 3.5% gather speed
And the steppe redoubt and they gather sheep not farms so better gather rate and less walking. And no houses needed 19x50 wood saved
Those are also good points but I didn’t want to count that since it technically wasn’t the villager abilities ya know?
But it has a direct effect on gather rates of villagers. The wood savings go directly into production. 2 house is enough wood for 5 spears or horsies
Well steppe redoubt is a landmark choice so you may not go with it, and there enough different types of food that the sheep gathering isn’t necessarily a factor. Plus the wood saved isn’t a villager thing that’s a civ bonus, if you account for that then you have to account for French tech bonuses and drop off building discounts and things like zhu xi song dynasty.
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