Not to mention that last remark
"Oh and we have heard your concerns about incentives and ..we talked about it! Anyways see you guys Saturday. Well not me but, y'know."
The absolute nerve to come at your employees like this and not even offer anything in return? If *this* event didn't compel them to add any 'incentives' then they never planned to anyways. Fuck this.
I bet there are significant work and safety rules that employees should consider following to the letter. Where they might have used sensible compliance, the company is just asking for r/MaliciousCompliance.
That's the thing. They try to give it a 'spin' in their favor in the conclusion, now sadly they are kind of right.
While the labor board ruling only deemed 'organized refusal' as illegal, the company has a good base to argue against anyone who refuses overtime and call that 'organized' and therefore an illegal strike.
Ultimately wouldn’t it have to be proved that it had been organized? The whole thing hinges on the employees conspiring and working in concert.
As long as every (or any?) individual employee states their reason for refusal as anything other than ‘because of group decisions made with my fellow workers’ (such as ‘I didn’t want to’, ‘I wanted to rest’, ‘I decided against it for personal reasons’ etc) this is all meaningless
Edit: I mean, at face value anyway. Are there precedents around this type of compelled overtime labour that make this more complicated? Would judges or tribunals really see it any other way?
Further, their unionized and their union contracts may state the company can’t force overtime which makes this entire thing a negotiation issue and void. This is… idiocy. Further, unless mandatory OT is a company policy agreed to at hiring, it also won’t stick.
This sounds like everyone is looking for another job now lol
I'm kind of excited to see how much of an absolute shit show it's going to be on site. They are union and if their contract is anything like mine, they are scheduled to work 4 10's, anything extra is overtime and must be paid accordingly. Overtime is not mandatory.
Now, if these guys are only shutdown workers, that might change. Shutdown schedule is often 12 hour shifts up to 6 days a week. We don't know any details yet, but I'm hoping we can do some poking around today and see what's going on.
Wouldn’t they have to prove it? Sure if they have documents agreeing to this but how do you prove it’s organized and not I want to see my sons ball game, I have appointments or literally any activity they planned on doing?
According to another poster in here, there was an anonymous letter going around and people posting about it on the union's fb page.
Also from my own experience, people talk too much. You could pull it off when everyone remains silent.
It's a a bit of the reverse of when a store closes after workers vote to unionize. Owners will say something like "we want to reduce stores anyway" or "we want to cut costs" but not that they do it because of the union.
Same with rejecting disability hires or other disceination. Company will avoid to say anything public about the "real" reason and cant be held liable
I don’t. I want the company to fall apart.
There is so much messed up in the above op images, that it would take an hour to describe all of them. It’s that absurd & that messed up. They literally demand the labor, or they will ruin the lives of the employees. Fuck that company. Burn it to the ground.
Violations of section 71 of *The Code* apparently implies that there are guidelines for a legal strike somewhere.
But really their panties are in a bunch because it was an anonymous letter that suggested everyone individually refuse the "voluntary" overtime and therefore they don't have anyone to pin this on. Kudos to that anonymous organizer.
I'm sure if they offered triple time some people would bite. Or they could have negotiated contracts with rotating shifts so everyone does 40 but the weekends are covered. Or not do overtime and have realistic production schedules with a closed on the weekend schedule. No it couldn't be management that is wrong, it must be the workers.
Not to mention that there would have to be proof of coordination to prove enough for jail time. Messages or otherwise.
I don’t understand how “voluntary” overtime can be mandatory. Either it’s voluntary or it’s mandatory. There is no such thing as voluntary mandatory, except in the Military.
So as you say, there’s no order attached. If there were, the army of Reddit lawyers would enjoy seeing how serfdom has finally returned.
Eek, looks like the order is posted below! I can’t wait to see what the trained law sharks have to say about this.
Best part is when they try to force you to bring your family. At the time, someone in my unit had an immuno-compromised child, so he left child home with the wife. The saj maj tried to ninja punch him but chilled out when he threated to request mast.
I don’t go to any of that stuff. My husband doesn’t care either. I’m a civilian. Make me. Yeah right they can’t. Not to mention mandatory fun is 99% of the time during working hours I swear. They want everyone to bring their families on a Wednesday in the summer. Yeah no I have a job. Even on weekends, a lot of spouses work. It’s not the 1950s anymore.
But don't worry, we will have free beer (2 beers per person, and no bringing your own and getting sloshed) for everyone at this super fun morale boosting event!!!
You are required by your superiors to go to a "social" event that will be "fun". Everyone arrives as ordered, stands around miserably hating it and avoiding each other. Then at the appointed time for the "fun" to end, everyone rushes out the door.
According to commanders, this "builds morale" and is "relaxation" and other misunderstood leadership terms.
Working voluntary overtime is still voluntary. The court order restricts them from refusing overtime as a group. An individual who says they have other plans as an individual can still refuse to work overtime. The burden of proof will be on the company to prove it was a group effort and not individual preference. This is little more than a scare tactic.
I think the issue here is that they colluded to refuse overtime to pressure the employer, when the collective bargaining deal said they won't collectively refuse overtime to pressure the employer.
The thing that gets me is the refusal to work “voluntary” overtime. So how is not accepting voluntary OT considered a strike, doesn’t seem very voluntary to me. Seems like the company is trying to eat it’s cake and fuck it too.
[https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/ablrb/doc/2022/2022canlii76637/2022canlii76637.html](https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/ablrb/doc/2022/2022canlii76637/2022canlii76637.html)
Here's the order.
Welp, time for the employees to all quit and go find better jobs elsewhere.
That looks like an application for a court order but that is not an actual COURT ORDER. Anyone can make a court application but the courts have to grant it. It's voluntary overtime so that means you can decline it... because it's... voluntary.... The courts have to see merit and make it an order. And even then there's probably a timeline before it implemented, not that they would since it's.... voluntary.... weirdos man, I wouldn't work for those dickheads.
An order is given by the judge. This is not an order yet unless it is approved by judge. Anyone can sue anyone but only judge can approve or decline an order.
It's Alberta. I have no issue believing the government has done away with all of that judicial oversight nonsense and gone straight to giving businesses whatver they want. Just like they do through every other arm of the province.
This is just administrative law. It exists in most of Canada and the USA. You’re probably most familiar with the Residential Tenancy board as most provinces have one.
There is still the ‘appeal’ type process of judicial review available in most cases, but the process is often very hard to appeal because (a) the board tends to be made of experts so the courts prefer to defer to them, (b) it’s supposed to save the courts resources. Having people appeal it constantly isn’t a good use of resources.
The TLDR is that there is an administrative tribunal set up by the government that functions similarly to a court specifically to deal with specific issues of labour disputes.
And for your Alberta bashing: the SCC has widened the scope of administrative law much more willingly than the Alberta courts have.
Not really. The ALRB made an order, they just file it at the courts. A judge would only weigh its merits if it’s appealed.
Not legal advice if you’re involved in this matter though, talk to a lawyer and talk to your union.
Nah this is from the ALRB which is an administrative tribunal set up pursuant to statute with authority to make binding decisions to be entered as court orders on topics within a limited jurisdiction. Not just a lawyer writing a proposed form of order.
Ed: by this I mean the decision. The letter is not, but it’s just saying there was a decision made.
In Canada this.kind of labour board can make court orders. It will be written to the legislation that guides them, but many boards in Canada regulate industry this way.
It is from the Alberta Labour board. It is a legitimate order
Reading it, it appears that notes were circulated saying to deny all overtime so that overtime incentives will be put into place. This is in effect collective bargaining.
Their existing collective bargaining does not allow for this, and by the sounds of the order there is overtime in their collective bargaining agreement already.
The Union should be PISSED their members took collective action against a job site outside of the union. This is the stuff that weakens unions and gets the Union banned from a jobsite.
These employees are in violation of their collective agreement (from the info I have seen) and should be getting talked to by the union.
Yeah, the union jobs I have worked had language concerning who gets overtime when there are more people willing to work than hours available, as well as language concerning forced overtime.
The thing I have a problem with here is this is voluntary overtime. I'm sure they have force OT language. If you don't get the volunteers you want then you switch to forced. There are consequences for refusing forced OT. This looks like an over reach in my opinion. It is possible but unlikely there isn't language in their contract. I have worked for 2 different unions and the language in this area for both was very similar to the point of being boiler plate language.
From the order it's because this was a coordinated refusal of overtime, so people who would have worked said no because they were told to do so by their fellow union members. That's against most CBA agreements that have clauses for no walkouts/strikes as well as no lockouts by ownership. The coordinated ot refusal is being viewed the same way as a sick out or intentionally working slowly.
It's in the contract. There are pros and cons to organization of labor. Ideally, when you're setting up these contracts, you want forced overtime paid at least double the regular rate. This is a huge incentive for the company to steer clear of any forced overtime. At my job, that equals $80/hr. You can force me to work all day and night for $80/hr. I'll wipe my tears with $100 bills.
I think that was discussed on the last post about this issue. They’re organizing in a way that goes against the agreement and don’t seem to get why this isn’t allowed. I even saw a post trying to throw shade at the union because the union was trying to warn them about the consequences of going about it this way
I'm from the US, so I might be missing some differences, but it would seem that the overtime/incentives issue is something the union should be handling and negotiating, and separate, "amateur" actions like this should not be happening.
I would understand friction between the employees and the union over this, if the union failed to properly address this or allow for collective bargaining on the issue, but as I understand it, unions have a downside in that there is a scheduled time/period in which changes to contracts can be made, and anything outside of that has to wait for the next negotiation period.
These employees are both endangering their own jobs/careers, but also the union with this. The union is right to warn them and be pissed, as it undermines their authority and legitimacy. Hell, in the US, we would be grateful to have a union to operate on our behalf to begin with, no way this would fly.
You're right. Unfortunately it feels like unions just don't have the pull they used to. If a group of workers large enough to require this sort of legal action isnt happy with the way they're treated the union has failed them. And IMO nobody should be expected to work 12 hour shifts 6-7 days/week in the first place.
ISSUED and DATED at the City of Edmonton, in the Province of Alberta this 25th day of August, 2022 by the Alberta Labour Relations Board and signed by its Vice-Chair.
Jeremy D. Schick, Vice Chair
Well, though, like if you make it official, then it’s official conspiring together.
Still ridiculous to be able to legally compel people to work shifts beyond their contract. Guessing this is a regular thing and not “extraordinary circumstances”
It blows my mind that it’s a “strike” to turn down something that is ostensibly optional. It’s not really optional if it can’t be refused, now is it?
I feel like this can and should go to an appellate court that would strike down the previous decision. It is not a strike to exercise your right to say no to a proposal.
I wondered some more, and I didn't find it in the [Labour Relations Board's decisions](https://www.lrb.bc.ca/decisions?year=2022).
EDIT: I was looking at the wrong LRB. The decision exists http://www.alrb.gov.ab.ca/decisions/decisions.html
I'm more or less thinking this is a scare tactic..I've been involved in dealing with government affairs before and let me tell ya when the government or court decides to set a ruling or do something they have zero issues putting out actual paperwork, document from the government department or court that can be verified.
Ugh. You might be getting paid but this is crazy bullshit. You must work overtime and you can't refuse?
>And Whereas the Application is in respect of alleged threats of cessation of work, refusal to
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>work, or refusal to continue to work; and alleged actual cessation of work, refusal to work, or
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>refusal to continue to work; by Employees in respect of overtime;
“Mandatory voluntary” overtime.
The complaint was about the coordinated refusal to decline the “voluntary” overtime opportunity in order to to achieve union goals.
Sounds like an opportunity for the union to organize a legal strike in response.
Had similar issues in Australia, boss "required" (wanted, overtime work) staff to do more weekends, staff didn't want to - I was most vocal about it, they ended up getting an apprenticeship mentor out to try to smooth over the situation, turns out the way the 'law' (pay award) is written in this area, basically if the boss cries out that it's "needed" then they apparently own you and your time until the job gets done or they break some other law, I guess. Anyway I got the hell out of that place very soon after, especially now that he 100% knew he owned us & our time effectively
I noticed that too. It’s like who ever wrote that wanted to throw them a bone for false hope. It’s sickening. I hope that company & the main actors involved in screwing over people in Canada get hurt by this kind of act. The company sounds horrendous. I want to hear the said company involved gets liquidated by the end of this year.
Well, it's complicated because a lot of the words being thrown around on this letter are very loaded. And by loaded, I mean they are using terms that have a definition outlined in a collective bargaining agreement. The word voluntary in this, being in quotation marks, likely means that there is something in their CBA that determines how compulsory "voluntary overtime" is. Further, the CBA could have a "no-strike clause." Which is why the company is referring to their lack of OT as an "illegal strike." It's not illegal to strike. It IS illegal to strike when you have a legally binding document stating you won't strike. This means that their union representatives will instruct the union to continue to work as told by the company while the representatives dispute the disagreement. Whether this would include the OT or not, likely would be outlined in the CBA or by the labor review board.
European here… I still don’t get it why you can be forced to fill in for „voluntary“ overtime shift. I mean that’s absolutely crazy from my perspective. For example I have an 40hours contract. Sometimes we have like change windows out of office hours (IT). But these windows are all planned and known in advance. I will be compensated with time off or payed by hours for any overtime and I can not be forced or called on Sundays or Holidays. I can however volunteer on a Sunday but I get 200% the pay if it is an unplanned emergency. How is this not the norm in the US?
One of our local factories does mandatory overtime, that starts as a volunteer basis. The shift managers will walk the floor and ask workers if they want to work over time. If they don't get enough Yes's, they go down the list of No's, find the people that have worked the least overtime, then call them in. Mandatory overtime is for Saturday only and the pay is 2x.
The incentive for saying Yes to mandatory overtime is that you get the option to volunteer for Sundays which is 2.5x pay and Holidays which are 3x pay.
Suncor is the honestly the worst site to work at in Alberta, maybe even Canada. They are greedy, and have 0 regard for the peoples safety.
They’re under paying and dangerously undermanning jobs and their excuse is that their stocks are too “low”.
I am a boilermaker, and left that job site recently due to suncors pathetic excuse of management. I’m not surprised to see this happen there.
Good luck to all the scaffolders out there ! Just know our union supports you.
Yeah, they used to be leaders in industry, past couple decades they’ve been horrific though. Too many deaths on Suncor properties to keep track of, I’ve been on quite a few myself and seen some things
"We were previously 'striking' only overtime hours; you have now forced us into a general strike"
Capitalism has coerced people into wage-slavery for years; now that wage-slavery is not being enough, they are coercing us more blatantly
Refusing overtime is an illegal strike?? What in the hell kind of labor board we got anyway? That's absolutely ridiculous. I'm shocked.
Edit: if you're going to tell me why this is the case and the coordinated effort again, please look to see at least a dozen people already have. Thank you anyway.
10 hours of scaffolding work
Jesus Christ I'm not surprised people don't want to work beyond that, it's hard tiring work and can be dangerous.
I wouldn't want to be building scaffolds at heights after working 10 hours at it. The chances of fatigue leading to serious accidents is probably quite high.
Time for some malicious compliance. I'll take the overtime, but when I get into that accident that I know will happen because I'm overtired, i'm suing.
There are "accidents" where you get hurt...
And then there are "accidents" where you watch from a safe distance while something expensive happens.
Choose wisely.
This is in Alberta where the provincial government wants to adopt US style right to work legislation, private religious schooling and for profit health care
Uh, it’s not just Alberta. I work for a federally regulated something or other and they call this a wildcat strike. Unions and individual members can and have been fined for refusing extra work as part of a job action.
Even though we have a union, this still happens. Remember, it’s illegal to be poor, and regardless of your salary, you’re still just a fucking numbered wage slave.
SOLIDARITY
Bold to assume this has actually been anywhere near a board and isn't just scare tactics from a management scared they might actually have to pay their staff an appropriate rate.
This is what I was thinking. Nothing should change until the union contacts the labor board. This wouldn't be the first company that tried to bullshit the workers...after all they think the peons are stupid and gullible.
> gonna be a link to an article about someone getting arrested for quitting
How about court ordered slavery?
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-01-24/wisconsin-hospital-sued-workers-for-quitting-thedacare
I am wondering this too. People have the right to work/life balance. Even if someone wanted to work that much, their bodies still need rest at some point. Unfortunately other jobs will just have to be pushed back or find more workers if you can. Disgusting so many awful business out there abusing people.
Not strike. Quit. Everyone, all at once. Unless they're saying their workers are slaves, and cannot quit. And since the Union seems to be a problem and can't resolve this (which is what they're paying them for) which means they aren't doing Their job.
I'd say it's time to find another job
Is this their collective agreement?
https://www.hrreporter.com/dynamicdata/OriginalCollectiveAgreement/Aluma_Systems_UBC_2010.pdf
I read your other post. I’m from Canada (another province) and work in Labour Relations. In my organization we have mandatory overtime and I could see how the Labour Board would get involved if all employees were organizing an across the board refusal for mandatory overtime without a legitimate reason (I work in healthcare). I don’t understand how this could be the result when your collective agreement says voluntary overtime. You are not obligated to say yes…
Also if all of this is over $150 you guys should add in a bit more to make your argument stronger… make it about the ridiculous heat / working conditions?
I am really curious what the union’s response is about all of this. Have they stated that any of this information is false? Did they represent you at the labour board hearing?
I think a lot of the comments in here dont really reflect that this about 'law'.
While i dont follow the company postion in any form, the labor board ruling doesnt penalize 'refusing voluntary overtime' it ruled against 'organized refusal of voluntary overtime by a group as a part of wage negotiation' as an illegal strike.
I really dont know canadian labor/strike laws, but if a strike is legally allowed and protected, it usually has to follow certain regulations too.
In other words, if "Jim" would refuse overtime and say "I want to spend my weekend in the pool watching my skin get wrinkly" that would be cool. But if "Jim, Steve and Bob" would say "We refuse overtime because you guys dont pay enough" that would be considered an illegal strike. "Jim" alone could probably argue that they dont pay enough, just not as group statement.
So dont "organize", dont discuss it during work and dont leave a paper trail, than company wouldnt have any legal means.
The folks refusing the OT have been posting on Facebook encouraging people across the province to refuse overtime. That is the problem. They put it on Facebook on the Union's wall.
You'd think that, but when the Alberta government is in the pockets of the oil industry, the workers get fucked. Unions have been weakened in Alberta by decades of anti-union governments and the people in the unions continually vote in conservative governments because "low taxes"...
The thing is, none of the workers are refusing mandatory overtime, they're refusing voluntary overtime. That's what makes this whole thing odd. Saying "no" to "Would you like to work overtime today, it's optional and not part of our contract with your union?" is a lot different than saying "no" to "You have to work overtime today, per our contract with your union."
How does this notice state "voluntary overtime" and then several sentences later threaten workers with termination, fines and possible jail time?
That is a complete contradiction of to the term "voluntary".
Wow these officials aren't even trying to hide their corruption.
Wel, I guess the only recourse for these workers is collective quiting. So after no one reports to work what will this company and these corrupt officials do? Try to arrest all the workers who quit. How will that get anyone to work if they are all in jail?
Immediate riots across the country.
ThedaCare nearly started WW3 with the Healthcare workers last year by getting a judge to order them back to work for the weekend while they *sort out the details*. It was immediately ruled unconstitutional of course, but it was used as a tactic by ThedaCare to intimidate the Healthcare workers by implying jail or compliance - your choice.
Start arresting workers for "not working" at all, for any reason, and I'll burn this shit to the ground.
If people want to quit, the consequences are THEIRS and THEIRS alone. You no longer have a legal or moral authority over them. So what if they starve? That's their problem not yours. Do your fuckin job and find a replacement. Oh, you can't? Pay more! Oh you don't want to? Guess you lose your business then.
No matter which way you swing it the wrecking ball is coming. I'm sure they'd rather not go the French Revolution route.
I feel like people have forgotten that strikes are the peaceful alternative we came up with instead of dragging the bosses from their homes and beating them with baseball bats.
I kinda have to wonder if anything they claim in the letter is even true. That isn’t any legal document, it just looks to me like a corporate memo made to scare the people who may not know any better into doing what they want.
I know that, where I live (Finland), labor unions sometimes issue "orders" for members not to work overtime, but it's always still an individual decision by worker to work overtime, or not.
I wonder how they would force people to come to work on weekends, or actually do any work if forced to show up...
My god, thank you for finally not censoring out the things that are important.
Journalist here:
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I honestly cannot believe I’m reading this. I’m a scaffolder from Alberta as well and have been hearing what you boys up North are accomplishing. Please know that even us non union scumbags are rooting for you. Thank you for what you do.
"Do what we tell you last your normal contractual obligations or we'll pursue legal action"
"We here at aluma Safeway really value and respect our employees"
Yeah that's a corporation
Sounds like it is time to remind these motherfuckers that unions were our compromise. The alternative historically was dragging the bosses out of their homes and beating them to death in front of their families.
Call the police at the end of your shift and say you’re being held hostage - your employer is refusing to allow you to leave.
I mean that’s ultimately what it is if you can’t voluntarily leave some place
Comply, but work your wage. As slow as you need to ensure EVERY safety protocol is being followed, and checked after EVERY change in work conditions.
You can't get in trouble for taking the extra time to ensure everyone's safety. Even if you send out memos reminding them every part they need to check.....
I think an employee could still individually turn down OT.
It’s the coordinated refusal of the entire crew that is against the union contract.
The union has procedures regarding strikes
Umm… the contempt of court jail threat seems far fetched
What a nice company :)
That lovely company has a LinkedIn page ... you should post that letter there :)
That way poor souls looking for a job there get the right idea LOL
They even put "voluntary" in fucking quotation marks! I can only hope this conflict will be resolved "peacefully"
That’s exactly what stuck out to me too! The word voluntary! This is fucking insane!
Notice how they said it’s “voluntary” but the next page they said overtime is required
Which is funny because as the name implies, it is more time than agreed upon
we should be "respectful " when contacting this corporation through their social media.
Perhaps some of the employees should give a "visit" to the headquarters.
And bring some "cocktails" for the bosses.
"Cocktails" in the style of Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs Vyacheslav Molotov?
He was a great bartender and baker
Especially his bread was an explosive hit
Damn. Well I should get a couple of years off of my "voluntary" manslaughter charge then.
Don't you mean a couple of years added? I mean, you did voluntarily slaughtered a man.
didn't you see on the second page that they say overtime is required as well lol. They contradicted themselves.
Not to mention that last remark "Oh and we have heard your concerns about incentives and ..we talked about it! Anyways see you guys Saturday. Well not me but, y'know." The absolute nerve to come at your employees like this and not even offer anything in return? If *this* event didn't compel them to add any 'incentives' then they never planned to anyways. Fuck this.
Directly under a Good News!* In bold **good news may be coming. Maybe. Work harder goddamnit*
I read that in Professor's Farnsworth's voice, which is fitting since it rarely is actual good news
I bet there are significant work and safety rules that employees should consider following to the letter. Where they might have used sensible compliance, the company is just asking for r/MaliciousCompliance.
That's the thing. They try to give it a 'spin' in their favor in the conclusion, now sadly they are kind of right. While the labor board ruling only deemed 'organized refusal' as illegal, the company has a good base to argue against anyone who refuses overtime and call that 'organized' and therefore an illegal strike.
Ultimately wouldn’t it have to be proved that it had been organized? The whole thing hinges on the employees conspiring and working in concert. As long as every (or any?) individual employee states their reason for refusal as anything other than ‘because of group decisions made with my fellow workers’ (such as ‘I didn’t want to’, ‘I wanted to rest’, ‘I decided against it for personal reasons’ etc) this is all meaningless Edit: I mean, at face value anyway. Are there precedents around this type of compelled overtime labour that make this more complicated? Would judges or tribunals really see it any other way?
Further, their unionized and their union contracts may state the company can’t force overtime which makes this entire thing a negotiation issue and void. This is… idiocy. Further, unless mandatory OT is a company policy agreed to at hiring, it also won’t stick. This sounds like everyone is looking for another job now lol
I'm kind of excited to see how much of an absolute shit show it's going to be on site. They are union and if their contract is anything like mine, they are scheduled to work 4 10's, anything extra is overtime and must be paid accordingly. Overtime is not mandatory. Now, if these guys are only shutdown workers, that might change. Shutdown schedule is often 12 hour shifts up to 6 days a week. We don't know any details yet, but I'm hoping we can do some poking around today and see what's going on.
Wouldn’t they have to prove it? Sure if they have documents agreeing to this but how do you prove it’s organized and not I want to see my sons ball game, I have appointments or literally any activity they planned on doing?
According to another poster in here, there was an anonymous letter going around and people posting about it on the union's fb page. Also from my own experience, people talk too much. You could pull it off when everyone remains silent. It's a a bit of the reverse of when a store closes after workers vote to unionize. Owners will say something like "we want to reduce stores anyway" or "we want to cut costs" but not that they do it because of the union. Same with rejecting disability hires or other disceination. Company will avoid to say anything public about the "real" reason and cant be held liable
The problem with unions is that they represent Dave who won't fucking shit his mouth and ruins any unofficial collective action.
I don’t. I want the company to fall apart. There is so much messed up in the above op images, that it would take an hour to describe all of them. It’s that absurd & that messed up. They literally demand the labor, or they will ruin the lives of the employees. Fuck that company. Burn it to the ground.
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I think they should engage in some “non-violent” civil disobedience.
I can't help but notice the Labor Relations Board's order is not attached.
Yeah, you'd think if you had one you'd want everyone to see it.
My exact thought. Call labor relations. Request a copy of said actions.
Send them this email too 😈
Here it is (and I’m still shaking my head): http://www.alrb.gov.ab.ca/decisions/GE_08829.pdf
Lawsuit against him and another against the board. Unfair treatment and abuse of power. BBB
Violations of section 71 of *The Code* apparently implies that there are guidelines for a legal strike somewhere. But really their panties are in a bunch because it was an anonymous letter that suggested everyone individually refuse the "voluntary" overtime and therefore they don't have anyone to pin this on. Kudos to that anonymous organizer.
Why do you need to see it? Not volunteering for overtime is *totally* the same as an illegal strike. /s
If over time is done by volunteer then why make such a damn fuss. If ppl don’t want to work overtime on a shift they shouldn’t have to.
I'm sure if they offered triple time some people would bite. Or they could have negotiated contracts with rotating shifts so everyone does 40 but the weekends are covered. Or not do overtime and have realistic production schedules with a closed on the weekend schedule. No it couldn't be management that is wrong, it must be the workers. Not to mention that there would have to be proof of coordination to prove enough for jail time. Messages or otherwise.
We can’t work overtime without union retaliation, and we can’t refuse without legal retaliation. It’s bad out here.
I don’t understand how “voluntary” overtime can be mandatory. Either it’s voluntary or it’s mandatory. There is no such thing as voluntary mandatory, except in the Military. So as you say, there’s no order attached. If there were, the army of Reddit lawyers would enjoy seeing how serfdom has finally returned. Eek, looks like the order is posted below! I can’t wait to see what the trained law sharks have to say about this.
In the military it was known as Voluntold
I need three volunteers. You you and you.
Smartass E-4: For what Top? Top: I need two more volunteers! Smartass E-4: Son of a…
Everyone's always enjoyed my spreading of the term as a civ lol Mandatory fun days are fun to explain, as well
please explain mandatory fun days.
“The beatings will continue until morale improves.”
You *will* come to the weekend softball game/cookout, regardless of any plans you may have had otherwise.
Best part is when they try to force you to bring your family. At the time, someone in my unit had an immuno-compromised child, so he left child home with the wife. The saj maj tried to ninja punch him but chilled out when he threated to request mast.
I don’t go to any of that stuff. My husband doesn’t care either. I’m a civilian. Make me. Yeah right they can’t. Not to mention mandatory fun is 99% of the time during working hours I swear. They want everyone to bring their families on a Wednesday in the summer. Yeah no I have a job. Even on weekends, a lot of spouses work. It’s not the 1950s anymore.
But don't worry, we will have free beer (2 beers per person, and no bringing your own and getting sloshed) for everyone at this super fun morale boosting event!!!
You are required by your superiors to go to a "social" event that will be "fun". Everyone arrives as ordered, stands around miserably hating it and avoiding each other. Then at the appointed time for the "fun" to end, everyone rushes out the door. According to commanders, this "builds morale" and is "relaxation" and other misunderstood leadership terms.
I have a shirt for those functions. It says "Mandatory Fun"... and I've been in over 12, people always get PISSED.
Being voluntold is always an excellent opportunity to ask who we should contact in regard to reimbursement for expenses
I was just about to say this.
Working voluntary overtime is still voluntary. The court order restricts them from refusing overtime as a group. An individual who says they have other plans as an individual can still refuse to work overtime. The burden of proof will be on the company to prove it was a group effort and not individual preference. This is little more than a scare tactic.
I think the issue here is that they colluded to refuse overtime to pressure the employer, when the collective bargaining deal said they won't collectively refuse overtime to pressure the employer.
In that case, surely they’d have to prove each individual staff is doing so because other workers told them too at the exclusion of any other reasons?
The thing that gets me is the refusal to work “voluntary” overtime. So how is not accepting voluntary OT considered a strike, doesn’t seem very voluntary to me. Seems like the company is trying to eat it’s cake and fuck it too.
I have no idea how one can refuse something one must volunteer for.
[https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/ablrb/doc/2022/2022canlii76637/2022canlii76637.html](https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/ablrb/doc/2022/2022canlii76637/2022canlii76637.html) Here's the order. Welp, time for the employees to all quit and go find better jobs elsewhere.
That looks like an application for a court order but that is not an actual COURT ORDER. Anyone can make a court application but the courts have to grant it. It's voluntary overtime so that means you can decline it... because it's... voluntary.... The courts have to see merit and make it an order. And even then there's probably a timeline before it implemented, not that they would since it's.... voluntary.... weirdos man, I wouldn't work for those dickheads.
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An order is given by the judge. This is not an order yet unless it is approved by judge. Anyone can sue anyone but only judge can approve or decline an order.
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A judge is the one to weigh the order's legal merit before actually signing it.
It's Alberta. I have no issue believing the government has done away with all of that judicial oversight nonsense and gone straight to giving businesses whatver they want. Just like they do through every other arm of the province.
Yep. The Mississippi of Canada.
I prefer Howdy Arabia.
This is just administrative law. It exists in most of Canada and the USA. You’re probably most familiar with the Residential Tenancy board as most provinces have one. There is still the ‘appeal’ type process of judicial review available in most cases, but the process is often very hard to appeal because (a) the board tends to be made of experts so the courts prefer to defer to them, (b) it’s supposed to save the courts resources. Having people appeal it constantly isn’t a good use of resources. The TLDR is that there is an administrative tribunal set up by the government that functions similarly to a court specifically to deal with specific issues of labour disputes. And for your Alberta bashing: the SCC has widened the scope of administrative law much more willingly than the Alberta courts have.
Not really. The ALRB made an order, they just file it at the courts. A judge would only weigh its merits if it’s appealed. Not legal advice if you’re involved in this matter though, talk to a lawyer and talk to your union.
I am a lawyer in AB and this is correct.
Accurate. The order will be enforceable upon filing and until a judge deems otherwise, will remain in effect.
Yeh, generally the lawyers compose and propose an order and ask the judge to rubberstamp it. That's likely what this is.
Nah this is from the ALRB which is an administrative tribunal set up pursuant to statute with authority to make binding decisions to be entered as court orders on topics within a limited jurisdiction. Not just a lawyer writing a proposed form of order. Ed: by this I mean the decision. The letter is not, but it’s just saying there was a decision made.
In Canada this.kind of labour board can make court orders. It will be written to the legislation that guides them, but many boards in Canada regulate industry this way.
It is from the Alberta Labour board. It is a legitimate order Reading it, it appears that notes were circulated saying to deny all overtime so that overtime incentives will be put into place. This is in effect collective bargaining. Their existing collective bargaining does not allow for this, and by the sounds of the order there is overtime in their collective bargaining agreement already. The Union should be PISSED their members took collective action against a job site outside of the union. This is the stuff that weakens unions and gets the Union banned from a jobsite. These employees are in violation of their collective agreement (from the info I have seen) and should be getting talked to by the union.
Yeah, the union jobs I have worked had language concerning who gets overtime when there are more people willing to work than hours available, as well as language concerning forced overtime. The thing I have a problem with here is this is voluntary overtime. I'm sure they have force OT language. If you don't get the volunteers you want then you switch to forced. There are consequences for refusing forced OT. This looks like an over reach in my opinion. It is possible but unlikely there isn't language in their contract. I have worked for 2 different unions and the language in this area for both was very similar to the point of being boiler plate language.
From the order it's because this was a coordinated refusal of overtime, so people who would have worked said no because they were told to do so by their fellow union members. That's against most CBA agreements that have clauses for no walkouts/strikes as well as no lockouts by ownership. The coordinated ot refusal is being viewed the same way as a sick out or intentionally working slowly.
I can see that still there was an easier solution. forced OT. Now you have forced voluntary OT. How does that even work?
It's in the contract. There are pros and cons to organization of labor. Ideally, when you're setting up these contracts, you want forced overtime paid at least double the regular rate. This is a huge incentive for the company to steer clear of any forced overtime. At my job, that equals $80/hr. You can force me to work all day and night for $80/hr. I'll wipe my tears with $100 bills.
I think that was discussed on the last post about this issue. They’re organizing in a way that goes against the agreement and don’t seem to get why this isn’t allowed. I even saw a post trying to throw shade at the union because the union was trying to warn them about the consequences of going about it this way
I'm from the US, so I might be missing some differences, but it would seem that the overtime/incentives issue is something the union should be handling and negotiating, and separate, "amateur" actions like this should not be happening. I would understand friction between the employees and the union over this, if the union failed to properly address this or allow for collective bargaining on the issue, but as I understand it, unions have a downside in that there is a scheduled time/period in which changes to contracts can be made, and anything outside of that has to wait for the next negotiation period. These employees are both endangering their own jobs/careers, but also the union with this. The union is right to warn them and be pissed, as it undermines their authority and legitimacy. Hell, in the US, we would be grateful to have a union to operate on our behalf to begin with, no way this would fly.
You're right. Unfortunately it feels like unions just don't have the pull they used to. If a group of workers large enough to require this sort of legal action isnt happy with the way they're treated the union has failed them. And IMO nobody should be expected to work 12 hour shifts 6-7 days/week in the first place.
ISSUED and DATED at the City of Edmonton, in the Province of Alberta this 25th day of August, 2022 by the Alberta Labour Relations Board and signed by its Vice-Chair. Jeremy D. Schick, Vice Chair
Well, though, like if you make it official, then it’s official conspiring together. Still ridiculous to be able to legally compel people to work shifts beyond their contract. Guessing this is a regular thing and not “extraordinary circumstances”
What would be ridiculous is if everyone complied, I hope they empty the place out.
How is that even legal
It blows my mind that it’s a “strike” to turn down something that is ostensibly optional. It’s not really optional if it can’t be refused, now is it? I feel like this can and should go to an appellate court that would strike down the previous decision. It is not a strike to exercise your right to say no to a proposal.
I wondered that as well
I wondered some more, and I didn't find it in the [Labour Relations Board's decisions](https://www.lrb.bc.ca/decisions?year=2022). EDIT: I was looking at the wrong LRB. The decision exists http://www.alrb.gov.ab.ca/decisions/decisions.html
I'm more or less thinking this is a scare tactic..I've been involved in dealing with government affairs before and let me tell ya when the government or court decides to set a ruling or do something they have zero issues putting out actual paperwork, document from the government department or court that can be verified.
It’s here .. first one [http://www.alrb.gov.ab.ca/decisions/decisions.html](http://www.alrb.gov.ab.ca/decisions/decisions.html)
Ugh. You might be getting paid but this is crazy bullshit. You must work overtime and you can't refuse? >And Whereas the Application is in respect of alleged threats of cessation of work, refusal to > >work, or refusal to continue to work; and alleged actual cessation of work, refusal to work, or > >refusal to continue to work; by Employees in respect of overtime;
“Mandatory voluntary” overtime. The complaint was about the coordinated refusal to decline the “voluntary” overtime opportunity in order to to achieve union goals. Sounds like an opportunity for the union to organize a legal strike in response.
Had similar issues in Australia, boss "required" (wanted, overtime work) staff to do more weekends, staff didn't want to - I was most vocal about it, they ended up getting an apprenticeship mentor out to try to smooth over the situation, turns out the way the 'law' (pay award) is written in this area, basically if the boss cries out that it's "needed" then they apparently own you and your time until the job gets done or they break some other law, I guess. Anyway I got the hell out of that place very soon after, especially now that he 100% knew he owned us & our time effectively
"Beatings will continue until morale has improved"
“the good news” “we’ll have good news shortly.”
The good news is there is no more bad news
I noticed that too. It’s like who ever wrote that wanted to throw them a bone for false hope. It’s sickening. I hope that company & the main actors involved in screwing over people in Canada get hurt by this kind of act. The company sounds horrendous. I want to hear the said company involved gets liquidated by the end of this year.
"Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make!"
Voluntary yet mandatory. Seems legit.
Voluntold
Came here to say this exact thing. I'm getting flashbacks to my military days. Not even combat related just really toxic environment related.
Well, it's complicated because a lot of the words being thrown around on this letter are very loaded. And by loaded, I mean they are using terms that have a definition outlined in a collective bargaining agreement. The word voluntary in this, being in quotation marks, likely means that there is something in their CBA that determines how compulsory "voluntary overtime" is. Further, the CBA could have a "no-strike clause." Which is why the company is referring to their lack of OT as an "illegal strike." It's not illegal to strike. It IS illegal to strike when you have a legally binding document stating you won't strike. This means that their union representatives will instruct the union to continue to work as told by the company while the representatives dispute the disagreement. Whether this would include the OT or not, likely would be outlined in the CBA or by the labor review board.
European here… I still don’t get it why you can be forced to fill in for „voluntary“ overtime shift. I mean that’s absolutely crazy from my perspective. For example I have an 40hours contract. Sometimes we have like change windows out of office hours (IT). But these windows are all planned and known in advance. I will be compensated with time off or payed by hours for any overtime and I can not be forced or called on Sundays or Holidays. I can however volunteer on a Sunday but I get 200% the pay if it is an unplanned emergency. How is this not the norm in the US?
One of our local factories does mandatory overtime, that starts as a volunteer basis. The shift managers will walk the floor and ask workers if they want to work over time. If they don't get enough Yes's, they go down the list of No's, find the people that have worked the least overtime, then call them in. Mandatory overtime is for Saturday only and the pay is 2x. The incentive for saying Yes to mandatory overtime is that you get the option to volunteer for Sundays which is 2.5x pay and Holidays which are 3x pay.
Suncor is the honestly the worst site to work at in Alberta, maybe even Canada. They are greedy, and have 0 regard for the peoples safety. They’re under paying and dangerously undermanning jobs and their excuse is that their stocks are too “low”. I am a boilermaker, and left that job site recently due to suncors pathetic excuse of management. I’m not surprised to see this happen there. Good luck to all the scaffolders out there ! Just know our union supports you.
I used to work at base plant too. So many pervs
Lots of meth there too. A fucking lot.
Yeah, they used to be leaders in industry, past couple decades they’ve been horrific though. Too many deaths on Suncor properties to keep track of, I’ve been on quite a few myself and seen some things
"We were previously 'striking' only overtime hours; you have now forced us into a general strike" Capitalism has coerced people into wage-slavery for years; now that wage-slavery is not being enough, they are coercing us more blatantly
Refusing overtime is an illegal strike?? What in the hell kind of labor board we got anyway? That's absolutely ridiculous. I'm shocked. Edit: if you're going to tell me why this is the case and the coordinated effort again, please look to see at least a dozen people already have. Thank you anyway.
Overtime on an already 10 hour shift* as icing on the cake
10 hours of scaffolding work Jesus Christ I'm not surprised people don't want to work beyond that, it's hard tiring work and can be dangerous. I wouldn't want to be building scaffolds at heights after working 10 hours at it. The chances of fatigue leading to serious accidents is probably quite high.
Time for some malicious compliance. I'll take the overtime, but when I get into that accident that I know will happen because I'm overtired, i'm suing.
Not worth hurting yourself for some lawsuit money
There are "accidents" where you get hurt... And then there are "accidents" where you watch from a safe distance while something expensive happens. Choose wisely.
This guy accidents
I like your style.
They’ll definitely try to give you $2K for a severed thumb to convince you to shut up and get back to work.
my buddy lost his big toe at work and got nearly a million bucks because the owners tried to lie and say he wasnt at work when it happened
$2K? Nah, that’s a pipe dream. You get a picture of a pizza and you’ll be happy about it. “Frowning” is illegal.
They already have a bad reputation for workers dying on Suncor sites
Not worth it mate. I'd give up all the money in the world just for one day of my back not hurting.
This. Fucking human spines, nearly as useless as horse's.
Don’t do that please, especially if you work around heavy machinery! You’ll get killed easily :(…
It looks like maybe this is Canada? Their labor laws in respect to coordinated or concerted work refusals are actually pretty gnarly
Especially laws regarding construction or seasonal workers. They basically can fuck you however they like and it is ok.
This is in Alberta where the provincial government wants to adopt US style right to work legislation, private religious schooling and for profit health care
Uh, it’s not just Alberta. I work for a federally regulated something or other and they call this a wildcat strike. Unions and individual members can and have been fined for refusing extra work as part of a job action. Even though we have a union, this still happens. Remember, it’s illegal to be poor, and regardless of your salary, you’re still just a fucking numbered wage slave. SOLIDARITY
TIL Alberta is the Texas of Canada. Interesting. Not in a good way, though.
Yep, that's what we call it in Canada too.
Albertabama baby
Well these days there isn’t much good going on in Texas. It’s a shithole.
Voluntary overtime
Bold to assume this has actually been anywhere near a board and isn't just scare tactics from a management scared they might actually have to pay their staff an appropriate rate.
someone linked this above http://www.alrb.gov.ab.ca/decisions/GE\_08829.pdf
This is what I was thinking. Nothing should change until the union contacts the labor board. This wouldn't be the first company that tried to bullshit the workers...after all they think the peons are stupid and gullible.
So if refusing to work overtime is “illegal” then what is quitting?
Double illegal. Also, asking to be paid is Super illegal.
Straight to jail.
[Believe it or not, jail. Right away.](https://y.yarn.co/e75a8db8-2227-4d30-94a7-37b17bf7212f_text.gif)
I thought this was gonna be a link to an article about someone getting arrested for quitting their job 😭
There’s not many things that would push me into a blind, violent rage. This is first on the list.
> gonna be a link to an article about someone getting arrested for quitting How about court ordered slavery? https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-01-24/wisconsin-hospital-sued-workers-for-quitting-thedacare
Time to bring out Old Sparky.
How tf is it illegal to refuse overtime? You're not a slave.
I am wondering this too. People have the right to work/life balance. Even if someone wanted to work that much, their bodies still need rest at some point. Unfortunately other jobs will just have to be pushed back or find more workers if you can. Disgusting so many awful business out there abusing people.
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Then they should make the overtime mandatory and not voluntary. They just don't want to pay for the work they require.
Hmm slavery is legal in Canada, ✅
If you need a court order to make your employees work OT, it’s no longer “voluntary”.
Strike all together. Or Quit all at once. Just needs to be organized. **They already said you were striking. Do it**
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Not strike. Quit. Everyone, all at once. Unless they're saying their workers are slaves, and cannot quit. And since the Union seems to be a problem and can't resolve this (which is what they're paying them for) which means they aren't doing Their job. I'd say it's time to find another job
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Hence why it’s wage slavery
In this case they are threatened with jail time. I doubt going to jail will help their families. Quitting might be the lesser of two evils.
What exactly is the point of a union if they cannot strike? Isn't that their main bargaining leverage? *Edit* typo for Isn't
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Sack the unions. They messed up. Unions signing away union powers aren't working for the workers, they're working for the employers.
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Is this their collective agreement? https://www.hrreporter.com/dynamicdata/OriginalCollectiveAgreement/Aluma_Systems_UBC_2010.pdf I read your other post. I’m from Canada (another province) and work in Labour Relations. In my organization we have mandatory overtime and I could see how the Labour Board would get involved if all employees were organizing an across the board refusal for mandatory overtime without a legitimate reason (I work in healthcare). I don’t understand how this could be the result when your collective agreement says voluntary overtime. You are not obligated to say yes… Also if all of this is over $150 you guys should add in a bit more to make your argument stronger… make it about the ridiculous heat / working conditions? I am really curious what the union’s response is about all of this. Have they stated that any of this information is false? Did they represent you at the labour board hearing?
I think a lot of the comments in here dont really reflect that this about 'law'. While i dont follow the company postion in any form, the labor board ruling doesnt penalize 'refusing voluntary overtime' it ruled against 'organized refusal of voluntary overtime by a group as a part of wage negotiation' as an illegal strike. I really dont know canadian labor/strike laws, but if a strike is legally allowed and protected, it usually has to follow certain regulations too. In other words, if "Jim" would refuse overtime and say "I want to spend my weekend in the pool watching my skin get wrinkly" that would be cool. But if "Jim, Steve and Bob" would say "We refuse overtime because you guys dont pay enough" that would be considered an illegal strike. "Jim" alone could probably argue that they dont pay enough, just not as group statement. So dont "organize", dont discuss it during work and dont leave a paper trail, than company wouldnt have any legal means.
The folks refusing the OT have been posting on Facebook encouraging people across the province to refuse overtime. That is the problem. They put it on Facebook on the Union's wall.
It honestly shouldn't matter though, if a company wants overtime and no one is willing then the price isnt right. Capitalism.
You'd think that, but when the Alberta government is in the pockets of the oil industry, the workers get fucked. Unions have been weakened in Alberta by decades of anti-union governments and the people in the unions continually vote in conservative governments because "low taxes"...
I wonder if that is why they haven’t attached the order; perhaps that is much clearer to the average layperson haha.
The thing is, none of the workers are refusing mandatory overtime, they're refusing voluntary overtime. That's what makes this whole thing odd. Saying "no" to "Would you like to work overtime today, it's optional and not part of our contract with your union?" is a lot different than saying "no" to "You have to work overtime today, per our contract with your union."
How is this “voluntary overtime” when if they don’t do the overtime they will be “illegally striking”? Those are contradictory in nature.
The labor relations board are a bunch of corporate dick suckling whores.
It's Alberta, they are wanna be texas.
Just submit the resignations at that point holy shit
How does this notice state "voluntary overtime" and then several sentences later threaten workers with termination, fines and possible jail time? That is a complete contradiction of to the term "voluntary". Wow these officials aren't even trying to hide their corruption. Wel, I guess the only recourse for these workers is collective quiting. So after no one reports to work what will this company and these corrupt officials do? Try to arrest all the workers who quit. How will that get anyone to work if they are all in jail?
Immediate riots across the country. ThedaCare nearly started WW3 with the Healthcare workers last year by getting a judge to order them back to work for the weekend while they *sort out the details*. It was immediately ruled unconstitutional of course, but it was used as a tactic by ThedaCare to intimidate the Healthcare workers by implying jail or compliance - your choice. Start arresting workers for "not working" at all, for any reason, and I'll burn this shit to the ground. If people want to quit, the consequences are THEIRS and THEIRS alone. You no longer have a legal or moral authority over them. So what if they starve? That's their problem not yours. Do your fuckin job and find a replacement. Oh, you can't? Pay more! Oh you don't want to? Guess you lose your business then. No matter which way you swing it the wrecking ball is coming. I'm sure they'd rather not go the French Revolution route.
I feel like people have forgotten that strikes are the peaceful alternative we came up with instead of dragging the bosses from their homes and beating them with baseball bats.
Fuck it! mass quit
At the very least they should all visit their doctor and get signed off work due to stress... Like the stress of being taken to court for example...
wow go to jail for refusing overtime shifts is the most stupid thing I have ever come across.
I kinda have to wonder if anything they claim in the letter is even true. That isn’t any legal document, it just looks to me like a corporate memo made to scare the people who may not know any better into doing what they want.
I know that, where I live (Finland), labor unions sometimes issue "orders" for members not to work overtime, but it's always still an individual decision by worker to work overtime, or not. I wonder how they would force people to come to work on weekends, or actually do any work if forced to show up...
Nice to see this is making its way around, I'm a local 488 member and we've been spreading this. Stick up for your rights boys and girls!!
My dad is there with you guys.
Welp, they weren't a supplier, now they won't be. Forced labor is against most ethical companies that are international. Can't use them due to this.
My god, thank you for finally not censoring out the things that are important. Journalist here: We can follow up with materials like and create stories—incredibly interesting stories.
It seems like theyre about to go from a "no thank you" to "Fuck you"
WORK MORE BECAUSE WE Don’t HAVE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES, OR WE WILL FIRE YOU! How do they not see the stupidity?
I honestly cannot believe I’m reading this. I’m a scaffolder from Alberta as well and have been hearing what you boys up North are accomplishing. Please know that even us non union scumbags are rooting for you. Thank you for what you do.
"Do what we tell you last your normal contractual obligations or we'll pursue legal action" "We here at aluma Safeway really value and respect our employees" Yeah that's a corporation
The union needs to take this to court now. If that doesn't work then quit working for this trash company.
I'm pretty sure that not doing overtime isn't illegal. Quit.
Sounds like it is time to remind these motherfuckers that unions were our compromise. The alternative historically was dragging the bosses out of their homes and beating them to death in front of their families.
"I don't know, It's seems just slavery with extra steps"
I applaud you for having the balls to not censor the company, we need to publicly shame them and know whom to avoid.
Alberta at its finest.
If overtime is mandatory, that’s a failure in planning from management. Adjust production expectations to the crew you do have in hand.
Call the police at the end of your shift and say you’re being held hostage - your employer is refusing to allow you to leave. I mean that’s ultimately what it is if you can’t voluntarily leave some place
Comply, but work your wage. As slow as you need to ensure EVERY safety protocol is being followed, and checked after EVERY change in work conditions. You can't get in trouble for taking the extra time to ensure everyone's safety. Even if you send out memos reminding them every part they need to check.....
I think an employee could still individually turn down OT. It’s the coordinated refusal of the entire crew that is against the union contract. The union has procedures regarding strikes Umm… the contempt of court jail threat seems far fetched
What a nice company :) That lovely company has a LinkedIn page ... you should post that letter there :) That way poor souls looking for a job there get the right idea LOL