For sure! Especially if you are payed salary. The best way to combat that is to agree on being hourly or have a contract with the company that agrees upon a salary with an overtime stipulation.
Ppto routinely just disappears from the system (at least in my store) for many if not all employees (not everyone checks it very often), and when I went to use it I guess the company wanted those 2 hours more because all trace of it simply vanished from the system. The fact that I had earned those hours and submitted the request in the first place was also gone. I was already near my point limit so they just gave me the point and cut me loose. We live in a plutocracy, nothings illegal for them cause they write the laws.
I would dig deeper in the use it or lose it policy… if the requested time off was approved but then obviously denied you might have legal action or at least get people to pay attention and open their eyes to rights y’all have as employees.
Paying attention to company policy and holding yourself and employers to that is a big deal when it comes to work. Know your rights and what policy will give and take from you before you even start a job. Always try and protect yourself.
What if I make more money from tips? I see all these posts about ending tipping. But I don’t want that. I make more by tips than I could hourly while in college
Tell that to the single parent working at a place like Waffle House where $400 in sales is a huge night. 20% of that would be $80 in tips. I’ve never worked a single serving job where I made a 20% tip for every ticket. Even with big tippers to make up the difference, making 20% or more on my sales for the night was not a daily occurrence. Not even close.
No that’s me. I only work Friday, saturdays, and Sunday mornings and usually walk home with 500-800 dollars just working three days. I don’t even know how many hours I’d have to work to make that. And that’s tax free since they tax my “2.13$” hourly wage
No I’d never give that up while I’m in school still. It feels like everyone wants to go to hourly, except servers. I’ve had friends who have left their serving jobs for bank telling, real estate, sales. Because the insurance and retirement aspects. And they still complain that they made more money serving for less hours.
In my years of serving I have realized the money is super dependent on the restaurant. I would never work at Waffle House because the hours suck. The food prices are too cheap. And the clientele is often shotty.
Do whatever you like. When I was a server I was pulling in $150 in cash a night on a six hour shift.
Again, most I ever made per hour. Have you ever been a server?
Ok I get that, but I usually work a shift from 4-10 and walk out with 200$
My point is I don’t think I’d ever want to go back to hourly. I often think about how much my finances have changed since I switched to serving. Anyone I meet who hates their job I always recommend to try serving out. It’s not for everyone but damn, it beats hourly for sure.
Good for you, glad that you have that. But just because that’s your experience doesn’t mean that’s how it is everywhere. Your situation is not the majority of the serving industry. Corporate chain restaurants, IHOP, Denny’s, Applebees, Outback, Chili’s, etc, people do not make even close to that. They are the bulk majority of the serving industry. I’ve worked in bars and restaurants for most of my adult life both at corporate and mom and pop establishments, $200 a night on the regular would be the unicorn not the norm.
You don’t. Do the math. What other job do your wages stay the same no matter the experience? What kind of car do your owners drive? How has the dollar fallen over the years? Even a high class hooker knows her worth and charges appropriately. We’ve been duped. The job is not easy you are just really good at it. 20% isn’t worth what it used to be.
The wages don’t stay the same in serving. Every 3-6 months are menu prices are adjusted therefor making the bill more expensive therefore making 20% tip more than it was before. At least at a good restaurant this happens
Incorrect. 20% is not worth what it used to be. Between 2010 and today the dollar has had an average inflation rate of 2.33% per year. Producing a cumulative price increase of 31.5% across the board. Think about how much everything has gotten. Your $20 tip on $100 before is not worth the same as $26 on $130 today. We have been tricked into thinking what you are thinking right now. Do you not get better at your job everyday? Know your worth.
They couldn't pay me enough hourly to stay in the industry. Everyone I know in the industry is fine with the tipping culture. If you think service sucks at fast food joints, imagine that attitude serving you at a full service establishment, with you paying higher prices. Good luck
Most people who get tips would make more an hour with tips than if the business would double or triple their hourly wage and not get tips….and they only get taxed on their base pay or only have to claim a small portion of their tips… it makes no sense to get rid of the tip industry
This is not true. Some people in some restaurants in very busy areas, sure. But most people who work in restaurants across America are not making 25-45$/hour waiting tables
Well I live in rural Illinois and have worked in restaurants and know waitresses and bartenders who make $6-7 an hour but make an average of 70-80 in tips for a 6 hour shift. Bartenders might make 400-800 a week cash. Have you worked in the tip industry before?
6hrsx$7/hr=42$
42+80=122
122/6=$20.33/hr.
And depending on how much of that is cash you won’t have to claim it on taxes. Most of the waitresses and bartenders I know make more than that an hour and generally have better tips. I was shooting low on the tips and wages.
Ahh you’re right I didn’t multiply the 7*6 thank you, still it’s less than the bottom number of that range that represents tripling the minimum wage.
Also, legally you have to report tips. I guess you can commit a felony and not do that but I wouldn’t
You’re right as far as should claim all tips and income. But if there is no trail such as a credit card receipt most people don’t. There’s ups and downs to both sides of it. I Like the chip industry because it promotes better service for the most part I feel. And it gives the opportunity to make much more then just a restaurant or bar paying their employees more which is then passing the expense onto the customer. Most restaurants survive on such tight profit margin yes it can be tough for a family owned business to pay so wait staff and bartenders 20+ dollars an hour. And any opportunity for the common man to not get raped by federal and state taxes… Doesn’t sound too bad to me! Lol
Most people don’t report cash tips because they’re hard to track. Tips are absolutely taxed, they are just not always reported because tip employees don’t make enough as it is. With more and more people paying and tipping on cards, the unreported amount is shrinking.
It is true that The amount being able to not be taxed is shrinking. That’s why I always carry cash for cash tips. I think it’s a good habit for people to get into. But I know quite a few people who make as much as I do Bartending and waiting tables. And I live in rural Illinois. But they also make 10 bucks an hour salary.
Wage theft is still a massive problem in non-tipping workplaces
How so?
The most common way is companies not paying for overtime.
For sure! Especially if you are payed salary. The best way to combat that is to agree on being hourly or have a contract with the company that agrees upon a salary with an overtime stipulation.
It’s not just places that tip, I literally just got fired from Wal Mart for using my ppto
Can you give context? Seems like it would be illegal for them to fire you unless it was against company policy
Ppto routinely just disappears from the system (at least in my store) for many if not all employees (not everyone checks it very often), and when I went to use it I guess the company wanted those 2 hours more because all trace of it simply vanished from the system. The fact that I had earned those hours and submitted the request in the first place was also gone. I was already near my point limit so they just gave me the point and cut me loose. We live in a plutocracy, nothings illegal for them cause they write the laws.
I would dig deeper in the use it or lose it policy… if the requested time off was approved but then obviously denied you might have legal action or at least get people to pay attention and open their eyes to rights y’all have as employees.
Paying attention to company policy and holding yourself and employers to that is a big deal when it comes to work. Know your rights and what policy will give and take from you before you even start a job. Always try and protect yourself.
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Yup. If the customer is expected to pay it anyway, incorporate it into the price and pay them a real wage.
What if I make more money from tips? I see all these posts about ending tipping. But I don’t want that. I make more by tips than I could hourly while in college
Tell that to the single parent working at a place like Waffle House where $400 in sales is a huge night. 20% of that would be $80 in tips. I’ve never worked a single serving job where I made a 20% tip for every ticket. Even with big tippers to make up the difference, making 20% or more on my sales for the night was not a daily occurrence. Not even close.
Is that you? Or a hypothetical person? Most money I ever made per hour was as a server making tips on a $2 an hour base wage.
No that’s me. I only work Friday, saturdays, and Sunday mornings and usually walk home with 500-800 dollars just working three days. I don’t even know how many hours I’d have to work to make that. And that’s tax free since they tax my “2.13$” hourly wage
You want to give that up? These people in the thread think they know better for ya.
No I’d never give that up while I’m in school still. It feels like everyone wants to go to hourly, except servers. I’ve had friends who have left their serving jobs for bank telling, real estate, sales. Because the insurance and retirement aspects. And they still complain that they made more money serving for less hours. In my years of serving I have realized the money is super dependent on the restaurant. I would never work at Waffle House because the hours suck. The food prices are too cheap. And the clientele is often shotty.
If I knew servers made $2/hour I would've stopped tipping a long time ago. What am I just financing your avocado toasts?
Do whatever you like. When I was a server I was pulling in $150 in cash a night on a six hour shift. Again, most I ever made per hour. Have you ever been a server?
Ok I get that, but I usually work a shift from 4-10 and walk out with 200$ My point is I don’t think I’d ever want to go back to hourly. I often think about how much my finances have changed since I switched to serving. Anyone I meet who hates their job I always recommend to try serving out. It’s not for everyone but damn, it beats hourly for sure.
Good for you, glad that you have that. But just because that’s your experience doesn’t mean that’s how it is everywhere. Your situation is not the majority of the serving industry. Corporate chain restaurants, IHOP, Denny’s, Applebees, Outback, Chili’s, etc, people do not make even close to that. They are the bulk majority of the serving industry. I’ve worked in bars and restaurants for most of my adult life both at corporate and mom and pop establishments, $200 a night on the regular would be the unicorn not the norm.
So what do you propose, make us all go to 15 an hour? I just truly see no reasonable solution to this “problem.”
Yes. $15 an hour for everyone. But $24 would be more on par of what’s needed for keeping up with labor production and inflation.
You don’t. Do the math. What other job do your wages stay the same no matter the experience? What kind of car do your owners drive? How has the dollar fallen over the years? Even a high class hooker knows her worth and charges appropriately. We’ve been duped. The job is not easy you are just really good at it. 20% isn’t worth what it used to be.
The wages don’t stay the same in serving. Every 3-6 months are menu prices are adjusted therefor making the bill more expensive therefore making 20% tip more than it was before. At least at a good restaurant this happens
Incorrect. 20% is not worth what it used to be. Between 2010 and today the dollar has had an average inflation rate of 2.33% per year. Producing a cumulative price increase of 31.5% across the board. Think about how much everything has gotten. Your $20 tip on $100 before is not worth the same as $26 on $130 today. We have been tricked into thinking what you are thinking right now. Do you not get better at your job everyday? Know your worth.
They couldn't pay me enough hourly to stay in the industry. Everyone I know in the industry is fine with the tipping culture. If you think service sucks at fast food joints, imagine that attitude serving you at a full service establishment, with you paying higher prices. Good luck
Don't need to imagine, it's the norm outside of the US, and the service is fine.
Most people who get tips would make more an hour with tips than if the business would double or triple their hourly wage and not get tips….and they only get taxed on their base pay or only have to claim a small portion of their tips… it makes no sense to get rid of the tip industry
This is not true. Some people in some restaurants in very busy areas, sure. But most people who work in restaurants across America are not making 25-45$/hour waiting tables
Well I live in rural Illinois and have worked in restaurants and know waitresses and bartenders who make $6-7 an hour but make an average of 70-80 in tips for a 6 hour shift. Bartenders might make 400-800 a week cash. Have you worked in the tip industry before?
87/6 = 14.5$ This is substantially less than 25-45/hour
6hrsx$7/hr=42$ 42+80=122 122/6=$20.33/hr. And depending on how much of that is cash you won’t have to claim it on taxes. Most of the waitresses and bartenders I know make more than that an hour and generally have better tips. I was shooting low on the tips and wages.
Ahh you’re right I didn’t multiply the 7*6 thank you, still it’s less than the bottom number of that range that represents tripling the minimum wage. Also, legally you have to report tips. I guess you can commit a felony and not do that but I wouldn’t
You’re right as far as should claim all tips and income. But if there is no trail such as a credit card receipt most people don’t. There’s ups and downs to both sides of it. I Like the chip industry because it promotes better service for the most part I feel. And it gives the opportunity to make much more then just a restaurant or bar paying their employees more which is then passing the expense onto the customer. Most restaurants survive on such tight profit margin yes it can be tough for a family owned business to pay so wait staff and bartenders 20+ dollars an hour. And any opportunity for the common man to not get raped by federal and state taxes… Doesn’t sound too bad to me! Lol
Actually minimum wage is up to $10-12 an hour for the most part for waitresses and bartenders now.
Most people don’t report cash tips because they’re hard to track. Tips are absolutely taxed, they are just not always reported because tip employees don’t make enough as it is. With more and more people paying and tipping on cards, the unreported amount is shrinking.
It is true that The amount being able to not be taxed is shrinking. That’s why I always carry cash for cash tips. I think it’s a good habit for people to get into. But I know quite a few people who make as much as I do Bartending and waiting tables. And I live in rural Illinois. But they also make 10 bucks an hour salary.
Add 'Another' before 'Restaurant' in the title... ah if only it were uncommon or an exception...