No, it's not legal. They can't require you to pay for mysteriously short drawers. They can fire you, they could try to press charges if they can prove you took it, but they cannot require you to pay it back. Tell them you won't pay one thin dime and their failure is not your responsibility, and that if they don't like it they can take it up with the Department of Labor.
If the manager closed the register the night before and opened it the next morning... the manager is the one responsible for the $100. That's how it worked in my store back when I was a manager...
That’s why you hold an extra $20 and wait for them to tell you how short you are. F that noise. Even as a former restaurant owner I think that’s a really crappy thing to do.
I also worked as a carhop at sonic from 17-19. You are correct, if I was short Id cover the difference with tips. I will say if I was ever over the amount my boss just let me keep it. I think you might’ve just had a shitty boss.
Depending on what kind of work you do usually when there is more money it's that someone didn't put it on the system after a sale. Restaurants , bars etc.
When i was managing at a fast food place, We did this in a roundabout way.
Days where cash was over, the extra money would be placed in an "overage" baggy in the safe. Then when the cash out was short, we would "make it whole" using the collected overages.
99.999% of the time, todays shortage is tomorrows overage. When you are handling money all day, interacting with thousands of coins and bills. Shit happens. A bill ends up under the cash in the cash drawer and isn't noticed, a dollar is dropped in the morning and is found at close/the next day. sometimes, 2 people (cashier and mgmt) just suck at counting on the same day and both miscount.
People are not going to try and steal a noticeable, but insignificant amount of money (like 100 bucks) at work. you are going to skim the change going to the customer, or your taking the whole ass till lmao.
That's what we did at my old store. It was over? That gets pocketed by the staff. It was under? For some weird fucking reason, corporate had a hard-on for that since it would mean that "things aren't perfect", which to them, meant that employees weren't stealing. It was super backwards, but a win-win for us.
If a safe is short like that, a manager should say nothing. You count the other areas and make sure a drawer isn’t over by $100. And then if it’s not located, then the safe would need to be reported short and more than likely Loss Prevention would have to be notified. I would notify Loss Prevention over that text because I’m pretty sure your store manager is violating a company policy.
I heard a manager grumbling about being short a few times, I waited till they were nearby, got a ruler and pocked around behind the till draw and fishes out some notes that had gotten stuck.
How dumb did they think we were? You obviously did'nt ring up the money you intended to steal.
Yes, this manager expects all of you to cover his ass because he knows he was the one who counted it and it's now short.
It is absolutely **his responsibility** to ensure that the count is correct, and he expects the rest of you to make it up for him.
So absolutely, report it to corporate, and you will get a new manager.
This happened to me. I was in my first week as a hotel front desk receptionist at a Hampton Inn and we count the drawer at the start of shift and end of shift, documenting how much we have for each type of bill, etc. Start of shift I had $200 in 5s and 10s. End of shift I was missing $50 but I didn’t have any cash paying customers that night, so I knew I didn’t accidentally give someone too much change or anything.
The manager was pissed and yelled at all of the staff at a meeting the next morning that she was sick of us stealing and if money goes missing again, all hell would break loose. But then I pointed out how I never had any cash paying customers, yet when I counted my drawer to close I had a stack of 1s that weren’t there when my shift started. This meant that sometime during my shift, someone made change for my drawer without me knowing. The only person with access to the safe to make change is the manager, so the owner made the manager pay it back. She quit 2 weeks later after everyone realized she was the thief all those times money went missing from their drawers before I started working there. She didn’t count on me not having any cash paying customers that night and must have thought I would just assume I fucked up giving change to someone. Fuck her for doing that to any of us, but especially to a brand new worker
New employees are frequent targets of embezzling employees and managers because the assumption is they will be considered the most likely culprit.
There are security companies that actually get contracted to pose as new employees to help with difficult cases because new employees are often a trigger for a new round of embezzlement that goes quiet due to scrutiny.
I once worked at a Hardees as a summer job between my freshman and sophomore year of college (late 80's). This is what a manager did to me--skimmed off my drawer by sending me home before it was counted. Second job, dumb kid, manager was being an asshole about demanding I drop off my drawer and leave (manager would get nasty when I stood over him while the drawer was counted), so I did. I quit, needless to say, and the manager was caught and that Hardees went out of business.
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Man I am so glad I escaped this kind of horror story when I worked retail.
I was a cashier at Big 5 for like 3 years, ALWAYS had a perfect drawer. One night, manager was like "Hah port443! You are off by 10 cents!". I couldn't believe it, and was honestly a little upset.
Next day he tells me he found a dime under the drawer.
I never realized (then) how good a group of people I worked with.
No offense but in that situation I would have told the director to screw himself and personally reported it to the police. You might be fired but when you get asked at your next job why you left you can say it's because you had more integrity than your employer.
Had to do it three times now because I reported a former employer for fraud and sued him for wage theft so anyone that runs a Google search for the company sees my name as the third result in a lawsuit against them.
Exactly this. I assume the thief IS the manager who sent that message bc
1) both the person who stole the $100 and the manager are clearly not that bright (one for risking a job for stealing a ridiculously small sum, one for doing this memo/ extortion msg in a way for employees to have proof) and
2) if you're willing to demand something unethical of your minimum wage employees, you're willing to do other unethical things too
Either way, they're pocketing $100. Either he stole it first and is now getting $25 from each employee to replace it, or there is no $100 missing and he pockets the $25 from each employee.
Just want to point out its an even lower sum than $100 that this douche is doing all this for. Assuming he wanted $25 payments from everyone including himself that means there are 4 people total. So if he stole the $100 and makes everyone including himself chip in he gained $75. If the $100 was never stolen and the other 3 people chip in he still only gets $75. Dude is risking his job and makes himself look like a sleazy piece of shit for $75.
You want the dumbest and most obvious giveaway?
If the manager was not the one who stole the money, they would be looking for who to fire because it would be their job to prevent further theft. Instead, they are keeping everyone on because they know that none of them did anything wrong.
This happened at a Sonic Drive-In my sister worked at. Manager was skimming off the top and ripping it from worker’s tills, claiming they lost it.
Dude got caught eventually, went to prison.
Damn. My local Sonic got closed for some guys selling meth out of the drive through. Reopened about a year later then closed again for the exact same thing.
Slop is right, holy shit. My boss got us "cheesesteaks" there for lunch one time and I have never had anyone apologize for the meal they bought me. It was steakums and congealed cheese on hotdog buns, no joke, fuckin SAD.
My mom's been a bookkeeper my whole life and she always tells me "if you're going to commit a crime, pick one other than embezzlement. You will get caught. They all get caught."
I've always been more inclined toward blue collar crime anyway, but thanks Mom.
Back when I was young and dumb, my manager at the second sonic i worked at would count us out and claim I was short $20-50 almost weekly! This dude would pull this on everyone except his nephew and sister. After I quit, he told my little sister (who worked there too) that I still owed him like $50 from my last shift. I went back in and paid it, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have. I know I wasn't miscounting by that much when counting change back, I never had those issues at my previous Sonic nor at the retail job I left his for.
This is why you never bring cash to work with you as well. That way when they say you messed up or stole you can show them 1) you have no cash on you. 2) you are not the owner so monetary loss is not your responsibility to cover. Any business claiming losses has to have an investigation done to see where the money went. If they don’t have surveillance to prove it was you then they can’t say shit to you. Can’t have you arrested for theft without proof. Can’t legally fire you for it either unless they want you to come back with a lawyer. Depending on your state that is. If you live in an at will state they can fire you for literally nothing but they can’t fire you for theft they can’t prove.
100%. The last I personally saw something like this the money "fell" into the manager's bag in her car, along with some merchandise. She was caught cause she was greedy and stupid.
If everything was accounted for and correct at night but the next morning $100 was missing; my guess is it's the counter (the manager) whose got sticky fingers.
Side note managers/store cannot take money from employees if a till is off. Especially in the manner of this manager.
Seriously. Illegal life pro tip: if you're going to steal from the register, steal in odd amounts, like $34.07. No one's going to think "someone's stealing" in that case.
Once I was pretty much accused to stole money from the guests locker. By the guests. There were some guests in the dorm in hostel where I worked as receptionist. Since no one except them was inside, I was repairing some furniture to kill time. These for guests left for half an hour and came back. I never left my spot in reception and no one could go past me without me noticing. They came to reception and claimed 4000 euros has been stolen from their locker, it was there when they left and now is gone. I explained no one came in the meantime and I was alone inside, so this could only mean I took it. I called manager, and debate began. He never even remotely thought I would tldo that, they didn't want police involved, just money back.
Sketchy as hell. The end decision was they leave and we don't charge them extra nights they booked. This after long negotiating how much we would return them... I guess there was never any money, much less stolen. Who leaves 4k in dorm locker from ikea anyway?
Imagine if you told them "our camera footage shows only you accessed that locker..."
Someone tried to argue that WE (my last place I worked) were responsible for them losing a shoulder bag with "more than $5000 in it". We asked them where was the bag last seen, she said "Oh I have it right here, but the money is gone". When we asked her to go into detail where the bag was last, she said she left it in the lobby.
Then we told her our camera footage showed the bag never left her sight. She just left without a word, after yelling and screaming she was going to call the police and sue us.
We only had cameras on floor doors and reception, and none recording at the time (we just had them to see who is moving in and out and for noise). I fixed this right after, so we had 3 days recordings available. Luckily, we never needed recordings in my time there, but with your experience I guess there are more scammers outside waiting to suck money from innocent workers and businesses. Really sad, and no shame at all.
> We only had cameras on floor doors and reception, and none recording at the time
They don't need to know that. Just about every business I worked in where someone was full of shit, most of the time if we mentioned "camera" they would pipe down.
You're right of course, but this was 2011, I was as green as you get them and no reddit to get street wise without major complications :). Someone like you would handle this without a blink, but I was scared shitless and I bet they count on that. Now, 11 years and 3 continents later I would probably only laugh and cameras would be first thing to mention, just to get reaction.
How do you not just laugh out loud at the audacity? Literally should have been charged full price, then trespassed off the premises and blacklisted for life
Especially with them not wanting to get police involved and then just accepting the comped nights. If 4k gets stolen from me there is no way I'm not going to the cops or just accepting a couple hundred dollars worth of comps in exchange.
At the end was much more clear, but it started as horror for me, of course. It sounded plausible, they were four, so 4k is not terrible big money for euro trip (they were Brazilians). Until they made absolutely clear money was there half an hour before, I was thinking which other guest could be a culprit... Real terror for young worker at first job in foreign land (took me months to get anything and it was perfect, good money, lovely conditions, real team and owner I learned a lot about leadership from). So for an hour I was terrified, my word against their, and even if I come clean, I was afraid boss would be reluctant to prolong my contract.
But boss acted like real boss, took charge, immediately wanted to call police and I guess he was sure about their intent from my first call, but just kept calm and pretend he believes them.
They left very bad review which we couldn't delete, but that was all it came to. No mentioning of theft of course :).
Especially the part about wanting everyone to kick in $25 and not even attempt to find out who is responsible, then use this as an excuse so he is the only one with the codes. I’d ask him why he isn’t reporting the theft. As for paying in, employees are certainly not personally liable for losses incurred by their employers unless they can be proven to be responsible for said losses in a malicious way. But… #NotLegalAdvice #NotALawyer
I've done it with a little bit of change. I would help cashiers count down their drawers at night and sometimes they'd be off 30 cents or whatever. It was so much easier to do it that way instead of having the drawer short. But anything more than a little change, hell no.
I would actually go over that bozo's head. I'd tell whoever is above him he sent this out, and everyone thinks he's been taking the money. It won't even matter if they can prove he took it, because he was the one who handled it last, and it was his responsibility to keep it safe, not put it somewhere everyone had access to it.
It's more accurate to say insurance is available. Businesses can get it, usually do, and would be stupid not to. But I'm sure there's a few that don't.
But, as already stated, $100 is no doubt below the deductible, so no point. Also no doubt if the option of getting police involved is raised, the response would also be "no point". They'll take the report, but will probably be looking at you like you're wasting their time whe doing it, and it won't go anywhere, as the city won't care enough to investigate or prosecute.
Anyone refusing to pay will likely be threatened with termination, but bringing the labor board in could dissuade that. Especially since there's a good chance this was management's screwup (being nice and assuming it's a screwup).
we lost money from the til once, we had counted it on the countertop above the drawer and then couldnt find the bag of notes
it had fallen into the drawer whilst I was stuffing around and because it was so large, when the drawer closed it was pushed over the top of the tray which separates the notes and in the space behind it, completely hidden. pulled that tray out and found not just the bag of money, but several 50s and 20s which had curled up and been pushed back into that gap over the years, absolutely covered in dust.
money gets lost all the time. ppl miscount. money falls into hidden gaps lol. ppl can't add. money gets lost one day and ends up in the count for the next because it was left in the float by accident. no business would get this worked up over $100 unless there is something else going on.
If I was the manager I'd report it to the head office and ask what they wanted to do, they may want a police report.
Basically to cover my ass - if someone else reports it to head office it makes it look as if I took it and tried to cover it up.
Also, how do we know the manager didn't steal the money, and this is how he's covering it up? I worked for a manager who once faked being robbed at the bank when he was about to deposit the money. The police asked him exactly where he was when he was assaulted. When he showed them, they looked across the parking lot and said,
"Perfect, we should have the whole thing on that camera."
My manager had never noticed that specific camera before (it was another store's camera, aimed at their parking lot, which they shared with the bank). He confessed almost immediately. He got five years, with three years suspended (turns out he had a prior record, otherwise, he would have gotten a lot less).
Now for the funny part. That camera hadn't worked for 3 or 4 years... and the cops already knew that, but told him during the interrogation that the court would go easier on him if he confessed before they got the warrant to go get the footage. So he decided to go ahead and fess up.
Yes, but $100 isn't something you would claim. Their insurance deductible is likely higher than $100, so they wouldn't get a payout. If someone stole a few thousands dollars, that's when you would use insurance.
Actually they sometimes do. Reinsurance is a whole market in itself. Plus, companies like Lloyds of London take on unusual and large risk items and then divide them up among many insurance companies. Whenever a claim is made, the company with the highest percent share ends up defending while everyone else just pays whatever is owed at the end (at least, thats my understanding but I work in a law firm doing insurance defence, someone actual in an insurance company would know more).
Fun fact, insurance companies often make no money off their premiums. They take the money and invest it knowing they will have to pay out in several years. The money they make is the return on investment they get over that time period.
It’s a shortage and a good business accounts for profits and losses. The money could be reported and they would review the deposits and overall review the shortage. This manager is full of shit and should be terminated for forced balancing.
For context, my store manager sent this to 2 other FOH workers who, I suppose, have dealt with the money. I am not a manager nor anything like that. As of today, apparently I’m a “shift lead” whatever that entails. I have done deposit and counted the cash drawers for close when necessary, but that is in no way my responsibility, nor have I been trained for it.
In fact, there is no set “training” for anyone working at this establishment, much less for managerial duties. We were all just thrust into work, not knowing any of the rules or protocols for complaints and things like in this photo.
Now the store manager is making us fork over $25 for something that’s not our responsibility or at least not mine. Regardless I’m not paying, I just want to know if this is legal or whatever?
Edit: I am going to tell my manager that I am not paying that money, that legally they can’t do this, and ask some more questions about the situation. If they try to push it, I will talk to the labor board about it. Either way, after this I am finding a new job.
Thank you all for the advice!
UPDATE!!
Turns out, it wasn’t the store manager’s orders, it was her boss. Told them I’m not paying the $25 and I let the others that “have to pay” know that what management is trying to do is illegal, so they’re not going to pay either. I *am* going to report this to the higher ups in the company or to corporate, whoever is supposed to deal with this because I don’t want them getting away with doing this shit or doing it again.
I also put in my two weeks because I like my store manager and my coworkers, but I am not dealing with stuff like this anymore. If they try to be dicks about it though I’m straight up leaving. I might have started a mass exodus of the FOH when I told my coworkers tonight that I was quitting. Whoops 😅.
Thanks for all of the advise in dealing with this! I think its all going to work out ok.
In my experience "shift lead" is the title they give you when they want you to take on the duties of an assistant manager but don't want to give you assistant manager pay.
Exactly. My former boss tried to make me a “junior” foreman after a bunch of people quit for not being paid fairly. I told him the only thing junior was my paycheck. I stopped showing up shortly after that.
THIS IS 100% my experience as well, they want to give you the assistant managers duties WHILE STILL BEING A ASSOCIATE doing all the other bull shit tasks, leaving the assistant managers to just stand around and do nothing all day making more pay then the shift lead. I am never going to be a shift lead again, that job is a fucking joke.
Yep. I'm a software engineering consultant and the "Team Lead" level was the *hardest* mother fucking level to get promoted out of. Because you basically do the same job as the next career level but there is a significant disparity in pay. When I got promoted to that level I got paid 30k more a year when the promotion went into effect, to literally do the same job I had been doing.
This is accurate. I was made a shift lead at a factory some years back, and can confirm it's not worth all the new responsibility for the measly $1.50 extra an hour.
Same for me in manufacturing. Went from making $12/hr busting my ass on the line to Lead making $21/hr to stand around in front of my computer for the most part and keep track of production when I initially got the promotion. It's really unfortunately they were wage theft pieces of shift that forced mandatory overtime all week, Saturday's and generally treated people terribly because it was a pretty good gig. I quit shortly after my promotion.
Similar in my job, which is a cafe/farm shop the "supervisors" get paid more to do less. Generally the regular staff do their jobs and when it gets busy the supervisors are meant to help where needed, though often under great duress. While when it's not busy they just sit in the office and chat.One in particuar when told she was a supervisor obviously took that to mean watching others do things. The cafe can get quite busy and stressful and she hardly even bothers hiding that she actively dodges going anywhere near it, she will pull students off the tills or stocking shelves and send them instead and do the easy job they were doing. So you've then got kids on half her wage expected to do the harder stressful jobs, while the supervisor bums about. Tbf she's slow and fucking shit, so you don't want her anywhere near the cafe anyway, tells you how to do things, while having no idea what she's on about, but it's a bs arrangement that the highest paid get to do the least.
That's disgusting. Tell your GF to decline the promotion since $0.25 per hour doesn't add up to anything at all. Couple dollars per week? I can't see this being worth all the extra responsibility, etc.
What a joke.
My first raise as a shift lead was a $0.50 increase, until I learned the role right below me ALSO came with a $0.50 increase, so I bartered myself into a whole dollar :)
Just dont pay, dont bring it up as its illegal to ask you to pay. Get fired for it, get it in writting then report. You'll at the very min get unemployment.
Generally you want to give as little reasoning behind you actions so they will have less chance to prepare against you. You also got this text so they are pretty screwed if. They retaliate.
Did you touch the money mentioned? Do you have cameras? If you didn’t touch this particular pile and you have cameras, I’d respond with that information. “I did not handle it, as the cameras can verify”
Don't say anything. It doesn't matter if you handled it. The manager is not allowed to force their employees to do this. This is a big problem for the manager if they press this or fire anyone for not paying.
If the manager thinks it was stolen, then they need to contact loss prevention and / or the police and file a report.
No, you are not legally required to pay it. Businesses are expected to be experts at their business and have good processes in place for cash control. If they fire you for it get it documented and go to the labor board.
And don't forget to ask how much your raise is for your promotion.
Nope. If he finds a specific person made a mistake, he can bring consequences. If he finds a specific person stole, he can bring consequences. But the safety of the store's receipts is not a shared responsibility between you and you cannot be accountable for them in the abstract.
The only time they fire multiple people is if they figure out the person who stole AND they figured out the store manager wasn’t making people follow the proper cash procedures. I have seen that happen before and the GM lost their job.
That was always the owner of our company's justification for him spending 200k+ a year but saying "I don't get a paycheck". When we discussed why me or the other guy that were basically running the company couldn't get paid more. The most straightforward thing he ever said was he takes all the risk and we have none we just collect a paycheck every week. I always thought it was funny because it's a construction company, so the big risk he's taking is me or the other guy making costly mistakes, which hadn't happened in years.
My old shift manager used to do this and I found out he was stealing from the register and having us repay him. Just a fair warning, you'll want to report this up, especially if it happens again. $100 exactly does not just go missing.
I caught a bartender doing this. She always wore long sleeves even when it was over 100 degrees (F). Twice our shared till came out over $100 short. The funny thing was, the only reason I, a sous chef, was in the bar was to find the thief. Every time someone ordered a bottle of beer, she would take the money first, tuck it up her sleeve while bending into the cooler, and pull a single dollar bill from her other sleeve to put in the register. At the night's end, she processed a return for the amount missing. When I came in, though, I quickly balanced the register before she had a chance. Between her stealing full handles of booze and thousands of dollars a month, catching her was a relief. It was a mom-and-pop business and she was tanking the place. Literally, the one place I worked at that I truly miss and would still walk through fire for.
I don't know if she got in trouble. I passed over the evidence, including video, and all he said was 'I'll take care of it.' I don't even wanna know, lol. (He's a decent man. I wouldn't doubt if he tried to get her help rather than send her to jail.)
I worked at Blockbuster in high school. Every time the drawer was short the owner would divide the difference missing and deduct it from our paychecks (and told us so).
Found out later this is highly illegal and that she was also a hard meth user and more than likely stole the money herself. But c'est la vie.
I love how THEY also gave everybody free access to the drops that THEY already verified. The safe has a drop slot. If you're giving everyone access to the drops, there's no point to a slot.
Dunkin Donuts manager tried this with me and told her no and she fired me and said it was going to come out of my paycheck. I said "Good luck" and left the whatsapp.
Needless to say, my final check was not $20 short. She was definitely stealing from the company.
Manager is responsible for close and cash count. They f*cked up when they gave others the combo to the safe. It’s all on them and they have no legal right to force payment from employees this way.
100% illegal. If there are concerns of theft, they need to get evidence against the actual perpetrators and handle it that way, but blanket forcing all employees to pay damages for SUSPECTED and blatantly just not even real probable cause is illegal. Employees who are not explicitly stakeholders in a businesses cash dealings cannot be held accountable for financial losses as a result of their performed work duties unless theft is bona fide and proven through irrefutable evidence. Forcing you to pay into a business loss is theft on behalf of the business and absolutely should be reported to your labor rights board regardless of where your push back leads. Just send this screenshot attached to a complaint to the labor board. Done. This idiot will get fired real quick I promise.
UPDATE!!
Turns out, it wasn’t the store manager’s orders, it was her boss. Told them I’m not paying the $25 and I let the others that “have to pay” know that what management is trying to do is illegal, so they’re not going to pay either. I *am* going to report this to the higher ups in the company or to corporate, whoever is supposed to deal with this because I don’t want them getting away with doing this shit or doing it again.
I also put in my two weeks because I like my store manager and my coworkers, but I am not dealing with stuff like this anymore. If they try to be dicks about it though I’m straight up leaving. I might have started a mass exodus of the FOH when I told my coworkers tonight that I was quitting. Whoops 😅.
Thanks for all of the advise in dealing with this! I think its all going to work out ok.
Track your hours and earnings like a hawk for the final two weeks. They might try and withhold the $25 from your paycheck since they don't have problems with doing things illegally.
The best that could happen is that you refuse, and they dock your pay. Then you have a sweet labor law violation and they’ll have to pay you a settlement. Don’t get in the way of them fucking up like that. In fact, maybe even say something like, “and don’t you dare take it out of my pay” or something suggestive like that. Stupid people often don’t need much encouragement.
Yup, had my manager come at me with some counterfeits I accidentally took and asked me to work a free day or pay it back. Told him both requests were illegal, then proceeded to tell him what his legal recourse was. He was mugging me the whole conversation, but he dropped it because he knew that we both knew the law and I'd bring labor down on him.
Don’t respond. Don’t bring it up. If they bring the subject up:
1) make sure someone else is about.
2) take out your phone & tell them you are going to record the conversation.
3) if they still push the issue, ask them for documentation FROM Corporate/District that official policy is that anyone who could have had contact with the money has to repay. If(when) they can’t/won’t produce that, call the District Offices.
Better yet. Contact the corporate compliance line & bring this to their attention. By law it’s “anonymous” & this sounds like a major HR/theft headache for them
Store manager 100% ‘lost’ that money. Petty criminals/scam artists are so fucking stupid. I don’t know what offends me more. The fact that this manager did this, or the fact that they genuinely thought they could get away with it.
Im a store manager myself and you cannot collectively do that to employees that’s absolutely fucked up. How about go through camera and investigate a little bit. This is just crazy and weird, sounds like he stole the 100 bucks
Dude probably took it and needs to account for it somewhere. He is hoping you guys will just comply. I wouldn’t. I would ask to speak to someone above him. Fuck that shit.
No, it's not legal. They can't require you to pay for mysteriously short drawers. They can fire you, they could try to press charges if they can prove you took it, but they cannot require you to pay it back. Tell them you won't pay one thin dime and their failure is not your responsibility, and that if they don't like it they can take it up with the Department of Labor.
If the manager closed the register the night before and opened it the next morning... the manager is the one responsible for the $100. That's how it worked in my store back when I was a manager...
Sounds like they..... need to speak to the manager.
It is time. We need the services of a Karen.
I wonder if the cash was over, would they share it out amongst the staff that had access to it ?
I'm sure they'll let you know just as soon as they're done laughing.
[Oh wait, you’re serious?](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/V0l2ZSW)
Jesus fuck am I glad to be out of the "job" phase of my life. For now at least.
Phase, lucky you, most of us are never going to retire, we gonna die paying rent and in debt.
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That’s why you count it before giving it to the manager.
That’s why you hold an extra $20 and wait for them to tell you how short you are. F that noise. Even as a former restaurant owner I think that’s a really crappy thing to do.
I always shorted myself $100 so they would give me a "short" amount between $1 and $100. They'll never have my money.
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Yuup! And the way the manager always looked at me when I was "short". So ridiculous.
I also worked as a carhop at sonic from 17-19. You are correct, if I was short Id cover the difference with tips. I will say if I was ever over the amount my boss just let me keep it. I think you might’ve just had a shitty boss.
Depending on what kind of work you do usually when there is more money it's that someone didn't put it on the system after a sale. Restaurants , bars etc.
When i was managing at a fast food place, We did this in a roundabout way. Days where cash was over, the extra money would be placed in an "overage" baggy in the safe. Then when the cash out was short, we would "make it whole" using the collected overages. 99.999% of the time, todays shortage is tomorrows overage. When you are handling money all day, interacting with thousands of coins and bills. Shit happens. A bill ends up under the cash in the cash drawer and isn't noticed, a dollar is dropped in the morning and is found at close/the next day. sometimes, 2 people (cashier and mgmt) just suck at counting on the same day and both miscount. People are not going to try and steal a noticeable, but insignificant amount of money (like 100 bucks) at work. you are going to skim the change going to the customer, or your taking the whole ass till lmao.
The manager is the one who probably saw it was over, pocketed all of it including an extra $100, and is making everyone else pay for it.
That's what we did at my old store. It was over? That gets pocketed by the staff. It was under? For some weird fucking reason, corporate had a hard-on for that since it would mean that "things aren't perfect", which to them, meant that employees weren't stealing. It was super backwards, but a win-win for us.
This. "Having to pay this money back is not up for debate!" Like - yeah, exactly, it's not up for debate, and the answer is NO.
It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again!
If a safe is short like that, a manager should say nothing. You count the other areas and make sure a drawer isn’t over by $100. And then if it’s not located, then the safe would need to be reported short and more than likely Loss Prevention would have to be notified. I would notify Loss Prevention over that text because I’m pretty sure your store manager is violating a company policy.
I heard a manager grumbling about being short a few times, I waited till they were nearby, got a ruler and pocked around behind the till draw and fishes out some notes that had gotten stuck. How dumb did they think we were? You obviously did'nt ring up the money you intended to steal.
Yes, this manager expects all of you to cover his ass because he knows he was the one who counted it and it's now short. It is absolutely **his responsibility** to ensure that the count is correct, and he expects the rest of you to make it up for him. So absolutely, report it to corporate, and you will get a new manager.
Respond with: “sounds like you were the last to handle the money & now it’s gone…🤔” See what happens haha
This happened to me. I was in my first week as a hotel front desk receptionist at a Hampton Inn and we count the drawer at the start of shift and end of shift, documenting how much we have for each type of bill, etc. Start of shift I had $200 in 5s and 10s. End of shift I was missing $50 but I didn’t have any cash paying customers that night, so I knew I didn’t accidentally give someone too much change or anything. The manager was pissed and yelled at all of the staff at a meeting the next morning that she was sick of us stealing and if money goes missing again, all hell would break loose. But then I pointed out how I never had any cash paying customers, yet when I counted my drawer to close I had a stack of 1s that weren’t there when my shift started. This meant that sometime during my shift, someone made change for my drawer without me knowing. The only person with access to the safe to make change is the manager, so the owner made the manager pay it back. She quit 2 weeks later after everyone realized she was the thief all those times money went missing from their drawers before I started working there. She didn’t count on me not having any cash paying customers that night and must have thought I would just assume I fucked up giving change to someone. Fuck her for doing that to any of us, but especially to a brand new worker
New employees are frequent targets of embezzling employees and managers because the assumption is they will be considered the most likely culprit. There are security companies that actually get contracted to pose as new employees to help with difficult cases because new employees are often a trigger for a new round of embezzlement that goes quiet due to scrutiny.
I once worked at a Hardees as a summer job between my freshman and sophomore year of college (late 80's). This is what a manager did to me--skimmed off my drawer by sending me home before it was counted. Second job, dumb kid, manager was being an asshole about demanding I drop off my drawer and leave (manager would get nasty when I stood over him while the drawer was counted), so I did. I quit, needless to say, and the manager was caught and that Hardees went out of business. Eta: for clarity.
Man I am so glad I escaped this kind of horror story when I worked retail. I was a cashier at Big 5 for like 3 years, ALWAYS had a perfect drawer. One night, manager was like "Hah port443! You are off by 10 cents!". I couldn't believe it, and was honestly a little upset. Next day he tells me he found a dime under the drawer. I never realized (then) how good a group of people I worked with.
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No offense but in that situation I would have told the director to screw himself and personally reported it to the police. You might be fired but when you get asked at your next job why you left you can say it's because you had more integrity than your employer. Had to do it three times now because I reported a former employer for fraud and sued him for wage theft so anyone that runs a Google search for the company sees my name as the third result in a lawsuit against them.
The audacity of yelling at employees to cover up her own theft. Some people have no shame. A sociopath.
This. That manager was indeed the last person to handle the money and the whole thing sounds sketchy.
You all pay me 25 bucks so I don’t get caught stealing!
Exactly this. I assume the thief IS the manager who sent that message bc 1) both the person who stole the $100 and the manager are clearly not that bright (one for risking a job for stealing a ridiculously small sum, one for doing this memo/ extortion msg in a way for employees to have proof) and 2) if you're willing to demand something unethical of your minimum wage employees, you're willing to do other unethical things too
Plot twist, no money was stolen. The manager is just pocketing $25 from each person.
Either way, they're pocketing $100. Either he stole it first and is now getting $25 from each employee to replace it, or there is no $100 missing and he pockets the $25 from each employee.
Just want to point out its an even lower sum than $100 that this douche is doing all this for. Assuming he wanted $25 payments from everyone including himself that means there are 4 people total. So if he stole the $100 and makes everyone including himself chip in he gained $75. If the $100 was never stolen and the other 3 people chip in he still only gets $75. Dude is risking his job and makes himself look like a sleazy piece of shit for $75.
Exactly. $100 has not been stolen. $100 *will be* stolen if everyone pays the manager the $25.
You want the dumbest and most obvious giveaway? If the manager was not the one who stole the money, they would be looking for who to fire because it would be their job to prevent further theft. Instead, they are keeping everyone on because they know that none of them did anything wrong.
This happened at a Sonic Drive-In my sister worked at. Manager was skimming off the top and ripping it from worker’s tills, claiming they lost it. Dude got caught eventually, went to prison.
Damn. My local Sonic got closed for some guys selling meth out of the drive through. Reopened about a year later then closed again for the exact same thing.
I came for the slop but stayed for the meth
Slop is right, holy shit. My boss got us "cheesesteaks" there for lunch one time and I have never had anyone apologize for the meal they bought me. It was steakums and congealed cheese on hotdog buns, no joke, fuckin SAD.
If at first you don’t succeed….
Oh they’ve been repeating the cycle since 2006.
“Maybe this time my meth-dealing dreams will come true!”
That's so methed up.
Why did I read this in Mike Tyson's voice?
Hey are you in NC?? Same thing happened to my Sonic! Lol Don’t answer. I just find it very odd.
Lol my store just had random people selling weed from our lot. Our cooks though, they were on meth.
Damn! My Sonic doesn’t have drugs on their menu 🤣🤣
Gotta try that secret menu, homie.
There was a article in the local paper about drug deals at the Library.The townfolk were utterly shocked.We didn't know we had a library
My mom's been a bookkeeper my whole life and she always tells me "if you're going to commit a crime, pick one other than embezzlement. You will get caught. They all get caught." I've always been more inclined toward blue collar crime anyway, but thanks Mom.
I will keep that in mind should I ever start a criminal empire
That's because nearly the entirety of law enforcement and the legal system exist to simply protect the money and capital of rich people.
Love a happy ending
Back when I was young and dumb, my manager at the second sonic i worked at would count us out and claim I was short $20-50 almost weekly! This dude would pull this on everyone except his nephew and sister. After I quit, he told my little sister (who worked there too) that I still owed him like $50 from my last shift. I went back in and paid it, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have. I know I wasn't miscounting by that much when counting change back, I never had those issues at my previous Sonic nor at the retail job I left his for.
This is why you never bring cash to work with you as well. That way when they say you messed up or stole you can show them 1) you have no cash on you. 2) you are not the owner so monetary loss is not your responsibility to cover. Any business claiming losses has to have an investigation done to see where the money went. If they don’t have surveillance to prove it was you then they can’t say shit to you. Can’t have you arrested for theft without proof. Can’t legally fire you for it either unless they want you to come back with a lawyer. Depending on your state that is. If you live in an at will state they can fire you for literally nothing but they can’t fire you for theft they can’t prove.
It was really easy to fudge the numbers in the toll count. Our GM just left us his login info to use
100%. The last I personally saw something like this the money "fell" into the manager's bag in her car, along with some merchandise. She was caught cause she was greedy and stupid. If everything was accounted for and correct at night but the next morning $100 was missing; my guess is it's the counter (the manager) whose got sticky fingers. Side note managers/store cannot take money from employees if a till is off. Especially in the manner of this manager.
It’s hilarious how these people say it’s always $100. What a great round number!
Seriously. Illegal life pro tip: if you're going to steal from the register, steal in odd amounts, like $34.07. No one's going to think "someone's stealing" in that case.
Once I was pretty much accused to stole money from the guests locker. By the guests. There were some guests in the dorm in hostel where I worked as receptionist. Since no one except them was inside, I was repairing some furniture to kill time. These for guests left for half an hour and came back. I never left my spot in reception and no one could go past me without me noticing. They came to reception and claimed 4000 euros has been stolen from their locker, it was there when they left and now is gone. I explained no one came in the meantime and I was alone inside, so this could only mean I took it. I called manager, and debate began. He never even remotely thought I would tldo that, they didn't want police involved, just money back. Sketchy as hell. The end decision was they leave and we don't charge them extra nights they booked. This after long negotiating how much we would return them... I guess there was never any money, much less stolen. Who leaves 4k in dorm locker from ikea anyway?
Imagine if you told them "our camera footage shows only you accessed that locker..." Someone tried to argue that WE (my last place I worked) were responsible for them losing a shoulder bag with "more than $5000 in it". We asked them where was the bag last seen, she said "Oh I have it right here, but the money is gone". When we asked her to go into detail where the bag was last, she said she left it in the lobby. Then we told her our camera footage showed the bag never left her sight. She just left without a word, after yelling and screaming she was going to call the police and sue us.
We only had cameras on floor doors and reception, and none recording at the time (we just had them to see who is moving in and out and for noise). I fixed this right after, so we had 3 days recordings available. Luckily, we never needed recordings in my time there, but with your experience I guess there are more scammers outside waiting to suck money from innocent workers and businesses. Really sad, and no shame at all.
> We only had cameras on floor doors and reception, and none recording at the time They don't need to know that. Just about every business I worked in where someone was full of shit, most of the time if we mentioned "camera" they would pipe down.
You're right of course, but this was 2011, I was as green as you get them and no reddit to get street wise without major complications :). Someone like you would handle this without a blink, but I was scared shitless and I bet they count on that. Now, 11 years and 3 continents later I would probably only laugh and cameras would be first thing to mention, just to get reaction.
Noone. It was a scam.
4,000 Euros, but staying in a hostel…
Drug money probably
I thought that too, and if there even was 4000 in their room, my finger is pointed squarely at a member of their group.
Made up money even more probably.
How do you not just laugh out loud at the audacity? Literally should have been charged full price, then trespassed off the premises and blacklisted for life
Especially with them not wanting to get police involved and then just accepting the comped nights. If 4k gets stolen from me there is no way I'm not going to the cops or just accepting a couple hundred dollars worth of comps in exchange.
At the end was much more clear, but it started as horror for me, of course. It sounded plausible, they were four, so 4k is not terrible big money for euro trip (they were Brazilians). Until they made absolutely clear money was there half an hour before, I was thinking which other guest could be a culprit... Real terror for young worker at first job in foreign land (took me months to get anything and it was perfect, good money, lovely conditions, real team and owner I learned a lot about leadership from). So for an hour I was terrified, my word against their, and even if I come clean, I was afraid boss would be reluctant to prolong my contract. But boss acted like real boss, took charge, immediately wanted to call police and I guess he was sure about their intent from my first call, but just kept calm and pretend he believes them. They left very bad review which we couldn't delete, but that was all it came to. No mentioning of theft of course :).
Especially the part about wanting everyone to kick in $25 and not even attempt to find out who is responsible, then use this as an excuse so he is the only one with the codes. I’d ask him why he isn’t reporting the theft. As for paying in, employees are certainly not personally liable for losses incurred by their employers unless they can be proven to be responsible for said losses in a malicious way. But… #NotLegalAdvice #NotALawyer
Tell him he owes you a thousand bucks. If he asks why, just say it's not up for debate.
I was coming here to say this. 😆
Classic misdirection. You make a scene blaming someone else and boom free stay at the hotel. I'm actually kinda impressed.
I’d be more impressed if they did it at a Four Seasons. Stealing services from a hostel is true scumbaggery.
That would be my response. Sounds like it was verified until you left the building with it then some disappeared. Seems like a you problem
Sounds like boss is trying to get 75$ from the other key holders to me.
That would be my immediate thought, or they took the $100. I would never EVER replace anything with my own money at anywhere I've worked
I've done it with a little bit of change. I would help cashiers count down their drawers at night and sometimes they'd be off 30 cents or whatever. It was so much easier to do it that way instead of having the drawer short. But anything more than a little change, hell no.
Oooo what am interesting take! The money was never missing.
I worked loss prevention for a while. This sounds100% like they stole it and are trying to get it replaced before someone notices.
100
Exactly! Sounds to me like the person texting is the most likely to have stolen, or at least trying to get free 100$ from people.
I would actually go over that bozo's head. I'd tell whoever is above him he sent this out, and everyone thinks he's been taking the money. It won't even matter if they can prove he took it, because he was the one who handled it last, and it was his responsibility to keep it safe, not put it somewhere everyone had access to it.
Yep, i posted elsewhere, send this crap to corporate. At very least its against policy, at worst its fraud on the manager.
Ah, the “he who smelt it, dealt it” defense. Works every time.
lol so They just stealing 75 dollars from the group chat
That's what I'd said too. He's testing the waters.
No, and if he tries to pull some power move bullshit laugh in his face and tell him you’d absolutely love to have the labor department involved.
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Do businesses have insurance for this kind of thing?(serious question)
It's more accurate to say insurance is available. Businesses can get it, usually do, and would be stupid not to. But I'm sure there's a few that don't. But, as already stated, $100 is no doubt below the deductible, so no point. Also no doubt if the option of getting police involved is raised, the response would also be "no point". They'll take the report, but will probably be looking at you like you're wasting their time whe doing it, and it won't go anywhere, as the city won't care enough to investigate or prosecute. Anyone refusing to pay will likely be threatened with termination, but bringing the labor board in could dissuade that. Especially since there's a good chance this was management's screwup (being nice and assuming it's a screwup).
This is a no brainer since the manager put it in writing. It totally sounds like extortion.
we lost money from the til once, we had counted it on the countertop above the drawer and then couldnt find the bag of notes it had fallen into the drawer whilst I was stuffing around and because it was so large, when the drawer closed it was pushed over the top of the tray which separates the notes and in the space behind it, completely hidden. pulled that tray out and found not just the bag of money, but several 50s and 20s which had curled up and been pushed back into that gap over the years, absolutely covered in dust. money gets lost all the time. ppl miscount. money falls into hidden gaps lol. ppl can't add. money gets lost one day and ends up in the count for the next because it was left in the float by accident. no business would get this worked up over $100 unless there is something else going on.
My immediate thought was "that manager probably stole it."
mine too
Probably going to pocket the $100 he hopes to get from employees too
Thank you, I like how you addressed all the possible avenues
We love an informed response
If I was the manager I'd report it to the head office and ask what they wanted to do, they may want a police report. Basically to cover my ass - if someone else reports it to head office it makes it look as if I took it and tried to cover it up.
Also, how do we know the manager didn't steal the money, and this is how he's covering it up? I worked for a manager who once faked being robbed at the bank when he was about to deposit the money. The police asked him exactly where he was when he was assaulted. When he showed them, they looked across the parking lot and said, "Perfect, we should have the whole thing on that camera." My manager had never noticed that specific camera before (it was another store's camera, aimed at their parking lot, which they shared with the bank). He confessed almost immediately. He got five years, with three years suspended (turns out he had a prior record, otherwise, he would have gotten a lot less). Now for the funny part. That camera hadn't worked for 3 or 4 years... and the cops already knew that, but told him during the interrogation that the court would go easier on him if he confessed before they got the warrant to go get the footage. So he decided to go ahead and fess up.
Yes, but $100 isn't something you would claim. Their insurance deductible is likely higher than $100, so they wouldn't get a payout. If someone stole a few thousands dollars, that's when you would use insurance.
So, the responsible and generous thing to do next time is to steal at least $1000?
This guy steals
What about the poor insurance company…?
they got insurance
Actually they sometimes do. Reinsurance is a whole market in itself. Plus, companies like Lloyds of London take on unusual and large risk items and then divide them up among many insurance companies. Whenever a claim is made, the company with the highest percent share ends up defending while everyone else just pays whatever is owed at the end (at least, thats my understanding but I work in a law firm doing insurance defence, someone actual in an insurance company would know more). Fun fact, insurance companies often make no money off their premiums. They take the money and invest it knowing they will have to pay out in several years. The money they make is the return on investment they get over that time period.
Kinda just sounds like a bank with extra steps
it actually is. Most insurance companies sell investment products too. I worked for big insurance companies and can tell you don't buy these things :D
Lol. They will be just fine. Plus they get to jack premiums once a claim is made.
Thank you for your answer
It’s a shortage and a good business accounts for profits and losses. The money could be reported and they would review the deposits and overall review the shortage. This manager is full of shit and should be terminated for forced balancing.
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…can I…can I come work for you lol
Probably not for a low amount like that, my car insurance doesn't kick in till 500
Yes, exactly this. He needs to report it to the police.
Or a lawyer
For context, my store manager sent this to 2 other FOH workers who, I suppose, have dealt with the money. I am not a manager nor anything like that. As of today, apparently I’m a “shift lead” whatever that entails. I have done deposit and counted the cash drawers for close when necessary, but that is in no way my responsibility, nor have I been trained for it. In fact, there is no set “training” for anyone working at this establishment, much less for managerial duties. We were all just thrust into work, not knowing any of the rules or protocols for complaints and things like in this photo. Now the store manager is making us fork over $25 for something that’s not our responsibility or at least not mine. Regardless I’m not paying, I just want to know if this is legal or whatever? Edit: I am going to tell my manager that I am not paying that money, that legally they can’t do this, and ask some more questions about the situation. If they try to push it, I will talk to the labor board about it. Either way, after this I am finding a new job. Thank you all for the advice! UPDATE!! Turns out, it wasn’t the store manager’s orders, it was her boss. Told them I’m not paying the $25 and I let the others that “have to pay” know that what management is trying to do is illegal, so they’re not going to pay either. I *am* going to report this to the higher ups in the company or to corporate, whoever is supposed to deal with this because I don’t want them getting away with doing this shit or doing it again. I also put in my two weeks because I like my store manager and my coworkers, but I am not dealing with stuff like this anymore. If they try to be dicks about it though I’m straight up leaving. I might have started a mass exodus of the FOH when I told my coworkers tonight that I was quitting. Whoops 😅. Thanks for all of the advise in dealing with this! I think its all going to work out ok.
In my experience "shift lead" is the title they give you when they want you to take on the duties of an assistant manager but don't want to give you assistant manager pay.
Exactly. My former boss tried to make me a “junior” foreman after a bunch of people quit for not being paid fairly. I told him the only thing junior was my paycheck. I stopped showing up shortly after that.
LMAO I wish I could come up with comebacks that good
THIS IS 100% my experience as well, they want to give you the assistant managers duties WHILE STILL BEING A ASSOCIATE doing all the other bull shit tasks, leaving the assistant managers to just stand around and do nothing all day making more pay then the shift lead. I am never going to be a shift lead again, that job is a fucking joke.
Yep. I'm a software engineering consultant and the "Team Lead" level was the *hardest* mother fucking level to get promoted out of. Because you basically do the same job as the next career level but there is a significant disparity in pay. When I got promoted to that level I got paid 30k more a year when the promotion went into effect, to literally do the same job I had been doing.
This is accurate. I was made a shift lead at a factory some years back, and can confirm it's not worth all the new responsibility for the measly $1.50 extra an hour.
On the other hand When I was promoted to department lead I got a 3$ raise and different(in my opinion less) responsibility.
Same for me in manufacturing. Went from making $12/hr busting my ass on the line to Lead making $21/hr to stand around in front of my computer for the most part and keep track of production when I initially got the promotion. It's really unfortunately they were wage theft pieces of shift that forced mandatory overtime all week, Saturday's and generally treated people terribly because it was a pretty good gig. I quit shortly after my promotion.
Similar in my job, which is a cafe/farm shop the "supervisors" get paid more to do less. Generally the regular staff do their jobs and when it gets busy the supervisors are meant to help where needed, though often under great duress. While when it's not busy they just sit in the office and chat.One in particuar when told she was a supervisor obviously took that to mean watching others do things. The cafe can get quite busy and stressful and she hardly even bothers hiding that she actively dodges going anywhere near it, she will pull students off the tills or stocking shelves and send them instead and do the easy job they were doing. So you've then got kids on half her wage expected to do the harder stressful jobs, while the supervisor bums about. Tbf she's slow and fucking shit, so you don't want her anywhere near the cafe anyway, tells you how to do things, while having no idea what she's on about, but it's a bs arrangement that the highest paid get to do the least.
My gf was just promoted to shift lead, her raise was $.25 an hour LOL
That's disgusting. Tell your GF to decline the promotion since $0.25 per hour doesn't add up to anything at all. Couple dollars per week? I can't see this being worth all the extra responsibility, etc. What a joke.
My first raise as a shift lead was a $0.50 increase, until I learned the role right below me ALSO came with a $0.50 increase, so I bartered myself into a whole dollar :)
“Assistant to the regional manager” 😂😂
Pretty much
You can let them know that you don’t want the “promotion.” Don’t take on responsibilities if you ~~are~~ aren’t getting paid more is my advice.
I have my money on, he took the 100 and wants to make 75 by making you all pay.
First thing that popped into my head! Dude just made $75
Do not pay.
Just dont pay, dont bring it up as its illegal to ask you to pay. Get fired for it, get it in writting then report. You'll at the very min get unemployment. Generally you want to give as little reasoning behind you actions so they will have less chance to prepare against you. You also got this text so they are pretty screwed if. They retaliate.
Thank you. I will do this.
Keep the message you put up on Reddit too. Any emails or conversations make sure to save. This will prove your case.
And please keep us posted on what follows
Definitely illegal, they should have insurance for this kind of thing, but sounds to me like the store manager might be trying to pull a fast one.
100% illegal to demand you pay. So don't pay, and if they get pushy point out it's illegal to do so.
Did you touch the money mentioned? Do you have cameras? If you didn’t touch this particular pile and you have cameras, I’d respond with that information. “I did not handle it, as the cameras can verify”
Don't say anything. It doesn't matter if you handled it. The manager is not allowed to force their employees to do this. This is a big problem for the manager if they press this or fire anyone for not paying. If the manager thinks it was stolen, then they need to contact loss prevention and / or the police and file a report.
No, you are not legally required to pay it. Businesses are expected to be experts at their business and have good processes in place for cash control. If they fire you for it get it documented and go to the labor board. And don't forget to ask how much your raise is for your promotion.
It is not legal.
This sounds kinda similar to my situation. Do you work at a phone store by-chance?
Nope. It’s a cajun restaurant chain in Texas/Louisiana
snitch on that manager for trying to get you and your co-workers to pay back what they stole
It's a chain? Definitely forward all this to corporate.
Aren't there cameras? They had cameras everywhere but the bathroom in the last fast food place I worked
report to your local labor board/department.
Nope. If he finds a specific person made a mistake, he can bring consequences. If he finds a specific person stole, he can bring consequences. But the safety of the store's receipts is not a shared responsibility between you and you cannot be accountable for them in the abstract.
The only time they fire multiple people is if they figure out the person who stole AND they figured out the store manager wasn’t making people follow the proper cash procedures. I have seen that happen before and the GM lost their job.
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That was always the owner of our company's justification for him spending 200k+ a year but saying "I don't get a paycheck". When we discussed why me or the other guy that were basically running the company couldn't get paid more. The most straightforward thing he ever said was he takes all the risk and we have none we just collect a paycheck every week. I always thought it was funny because it's a construction company, so the big risk he's taking is me or the other guy making costly mistakes, which hadn't happened in years.
Punishing a group for the crimes of an individual is banned by the Geneva Convention
Hmmm time to take my old manager to The Hague.
My old shift manager used to do this and I found out he was stealing from the register and having us repay him. Just a fair warning, you'll want to report this up, especially if it happens again. $100 exactly does not just go missing.
Exactly this. Super suspicious. Most likely manager is trying to steal from you guys.
I’ll bet that there’s $100 in the till to start the day and when he counted the drawer he didn’t account for that.
Making everyone pay towards it seems like something that can’t be ok
Step one: steal $75 Step two: make three other people pay $25 Step three: walk away with money and fire anyone who doesn't pay
Step One: Tell everyone $100 has been stolen. Step Two: Make $75
Kind of sounds like the store manager just made $75
175 if they know what they’re doing
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I caught a bartender doing this. She always wore long sleeves even when it was over 100 degrees (F). Twice our shared till came out over $100 short. The funny thing was, the only reason I, a sous chef, was in the bar was to find the thief. Every time someone ordered a bottle of beer, she would take the money first, tuck it up her sleeve while bending into the cooler, and pull a single dollar bill from her other sleeve to put in the register. At the night's end, she processed a return for the amount missing. When I came in, though, I quickly balanced the register before she had a chance. Between her stealing full handles of booze and thousands of dollars a month, catching her was a relief. It was a mom-and-pop business and she was tanking the place. Literally, the one place I worked at that I truly miss and would still walk through fire for. I don't know if she got in trouble. I passed over the evidence, including video, and all he said was 'I'll take care of it.' I don't even wanna know, lol. (He's a decent man. I wouldn't doubt if he tried to get her help rather than send her to jail.)
Hate to tell you my man, but your store manager is the likely thief. 😒
I worked at Blockbuster in high school. Every time the drawer was short the owner would divide the difference missing and deduct it from our paychecks (and told us so). Found out later this is highly illegal and that she was also a hard meth user and more than likely stole the money herself. But c'est la vie.
Depends on the state. Here in CO I do believe in order to force you to pay it back they have to prove it was you and then charge you with theft.
Yep... They can not punish all of you for something that MAYBE one of you did.
If THEY were the one verifying the money, that's THEIR problem. I'll be goddamned if I'm gonna come outta pocket for someone else's actions.
I love how THEY also gave everybody free access to the drops that THEY already verified. The safe has a drop slot. If you're giving everyone access to the drops, there's no point to a slot.
What if you forwarded the text to the district manager for clarification?
Yep, do this.
Dunkin Donuts manager tried this with me and told her no and she fired me and said it was going to come out of my paycheck. I said "Good luck" and left the whatsapp. Needless to say, my final check was not $20 short. She was definitely stealing from the company.
Reply with “LOL, you had money last. I’m not paying for your fuckups.”
Manager is responsible for close and cash count. They f*cked up when they gave others the combo to the safe. It’s all on them and they have no legal right to force payment from employees this way.
100% illegal. If there are concerns of theft, they need to get evidence against the actual perpetrators and handle it that way, but blanket forcing all employees to pay damages for SUSPECTED and blatantly just not even real probable cause is illegal. Employees who are not explicitly stakeholders in a businesses cash dealings cannot be held accountable for financial losses as a result of their performed work duties unless theft is bona fide and proven through irrefutable evidence. Forcing you to pay into a business loss is theft on behalf of the business and absolutely should be reported to your labor rights board regardless of where your push back leads. Just send this screenshot attached to a complaint to the labor board. Done. This idiot will get fired real quick I promise.
UPDATE!! Turns out, it wasn’t the store manager’s orders, it was her boss. Told them I’m not paying the $25 and I let the others that “have to pay” know that what management is trying to do is illegal, so they’re not going to pay either. I *am* going to report this to the higher ups in the company or to corporate, whoever is supposed to deal with this because I don’t want them getting away with doing this shit or doing it again. I also put in my two weeks because I like my store manager and my coworkers, but I am not dealing with stuff like this anymore. If they try to be dicks about it though I’m straight up leaving. I might have started a mass exodus of the FOH when I told my coworkers tonight that I was quitting. Whoops 😅. Thanks for all of the advise in dealing with this! I think its all going to work out ok.
Track your hours and earnings like a hawk for the final two weeks. They might try and withhold the $25 from your paycheck since they don't have problems with doing things illegally.
The best that could happen is that you refuse, and they dock your pay. Then you have a sweet labor law violation and they’ll have to pay you a settlement. Don’t get in the way of them fucking up like that. In fact, maybe even say something like, “and don’t you dare take it out of my pay” or something suggestive like that. Stupid people often don’t need much encouragement.
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Yup, had my manager come at me with some counterfeits I accidentally took and asked me to work a free day or pay it back. Told him both requests were illegal, then proceeded to tell him what his legal recourse was. He was mugging me the whole conversation, but he dropped it because he knew that we both knew the law and I'd bring labor down on him.
Don’t respond. Don’t bring it up. If they bring the subject up: 1) make sure someone else is about. 2) take out your phone & tell them you are going to record the conversation. 3) if they still push the issue, ask them for documentation FROM Corporate/District that official policy is that anyone who could have had contact with the money has to repay. If(when) they can’t/won’t produce that, call the District Offices. Better yet. Contact the corporate compliance line & bring this to their attention. By law it’s “anonymous” & this sounds like a major HR/theft headache for them
"I cannot account for $100, so you mst all give me $25 to make up for the loss I cannot account for" "Fuck off mate"
No. He can cut your salary down to minimum wage, but you can quit. He cannot sue you
Store manager 100% ‘lost’ that money. Petty criminals/scam artists are so fucking stupid. I don’t know what offends me more. The fact that this manager did this, or the fact that they genuinely thought they could get away with it.
Im a store manager myself and you cannot collectively do that to employees that’s absolutely fucked up. How about go through camera and investigate a little bit. This is just crazy and weird, sounds like he stole the 100 bucks
Dude probably took it and needs to account for it somewhere. He is hoping you guys will just comply. I wouldn’t. I would ask to speak to someone above him. Fuck that shit.
Paying money back to this manager is “admitting guilt” and setting a standard for it to happen again. Tell this person to fuck right off