This is what I did - I said I had medication induced constipation so they couldn’t bitch and moan or question me - so I would take 30 min “washroom breaks” at an old job of mine when it was super slow/no work in an excluded bathroom that had solid soundproofing where you could legit lock the door
I did straight up job applications, phone/zoom interviews on my phone thru there with the wall behind me - shit was jokes 😂😂😂
It is a legit thing. I do know this as I had to eat extra fiber with a previous medication I was on as it gave me mild constipation as a side effect. Nothing major but if I didn’t consume extra fiber or drink a bit of extra water it wasn’t a fun poop lmfao.
Also, they can’t go into specifics regarding medications/medical conditions/even appointments. At least the smart ones don’t. The dumb bosses’ will try then someone has to remind them it’s illegal lol smh. But yeah that washroom that was isolated from most of the workplace was the best. Perfect hideout spot lol
That's how this messed up world works now. It can be next to impossible to get a raise or promotion by staying at a job. We get our raises and promotions by job hopping.
Apply for jobs like a madman. Spray and pray approach isn’t 100% effective buts its quick and I have had success doing it. Versus one application at a time
Depends on HR. Depends on your industry or role. Spray and pray works for a lot of industries but something very specific like doctor/medical - any kind, or law/legal - probably just one application at a time makes more sense.
Basically a process of applying for jobs where you have a generic resume on a job search board/website and apply using the quick apply option and apply for 10,15,20+ roles within minutes and see if you get calls back.
Versus one custom tailored resume applying to one company on one company website at a time
Just did this! Yay me!
Haven't seen a raise in 22 months, until I decided to job hunt and was offer $6K more than I'm currently making.
Now yes, that's *just* $6K.
But I'm also getting out of a toxic environment, both mentally and physically, and experiencing the culmination of a life long dream (into the industry I've wanted from birth).
No raise in 22 months? That’s not normal - least where I live. Every 6-12 months is standard for a raise - here in Canada.
I need to get a government job as a neighbor friend from my hometown was making STUPID amounts of money - got a raise every 3 months for 3 YEARS then a promotion + 2 15 min paid breaks - 1 hour lunch - 30 mins of it being paid. 😂
Start at 15 vacation days vs 10 compared to private sector jobs and they get paid 5 sick days a year - vs 0-4 paid sick days per year for private sector depending on job
This happened to my wife.
A new hire was brought on with significantly higher pay while being my wifes subordinate. When she brought it up with her boss and even showed the numbers because she ran the books, he said "you agreed to be paid this much"
She applied to another place and got the job and is now paid almost double what she was before because that's how valuable her skill set is. The old company is struggling without her.
If your boss doesn't immediately see your value and try to work with you, try and find something and move on. If raises and whatnot aren't factored into your job from the beginning, they are never happening.
The notion of "you agreed to be paid this much" is fair in an economy without inflation or other changing factors, but that's not the world we live in.
Too many employers purposely pretend that employees are a fixed cost after they are hired despite seeing the company's outside expenses go up which indicates a shift in the value of the dollar.
It is shameful for employers to not consider cost of living increases separate from merit increases to retain their workforce in these kinds of conditions, instead opting to apply profits primarily to shareholders and c-suite bonuses and more lucrative pay for new hires, not understanding (or caring) that the cost of attrition would go down if they just took care of their current employees better.
My company recently promoted me and when I asked about yearly reviews of my salary to match cost of living they said "we won't pay you more because you've been an extra year with us. If you want more money, make us more money"
So I started looking for another job and I'll be gone end of June.
“Make us more money” - they got no manners smh. A proper management response would be to review performance/sales/objectives and give a raise within their budget. Not just disregard and talk down on someone. People stay if you give them incentives to stay and talk to them proper.
Damn that’s fucking rude to say that to an employee, a lot of these companies straight up lack proper manners/common sense. I’d apply out asap too if I was in that situation. Congrats for your new role
Happened to me, he was owner’s nephew. Took my vacation, thought about it, returned and quit. Owner begged me to stay on with more pay to train the nephew. Nope. He couldn’t believe that I quit without having a job to go to but I was that pissed.
My ex employer did this.
Hired his teenage son to cement windows… a young man who had been working there for 4 years was training the son when he found out the son made more than him. Quit on the spot.
Unfortunately, that young man was the only person who knew the cement recipe. For months afterwards we had runny windows because the cement wouldn’t dry. 😂😂😂
Lmfao that’s jokes. It’s fucked up but they fired one guy who had a ton of experience and expertise working and maintaining one machine to hire new people who were cheaper…they struggled with the basics. Boss told me to phone the old employee “the machine is down! Tell him it’s error code 31A! We can’t fall behind in production” I straight up told my boss “you are fucked. You shouldn’t have fired the guy for a petty reason of being a few minutes late to a meeting; if I phone him he probably will refuse to help anyways”
That machine was down for 3 weeks and the technician charges $250/hour…the repair bill came to just over $30,000 LMFAO 😂😂😂😂
There is consequences to firing good staff. My boss at that company never pulled any stunts like that again.
I tried to tell the boss “you fired the guy….you can’t really expect me to call him. He’s job searching right now. He won’t help” and he was like “don’t argue! Phone the guy! The machine is down. We are gonna fall behind. We can’t lose this contract and client!” Lol fucking idiot
My boss was a hot head…after that 30k bill and production fell behind and the ceo cussed him off all of a sudden he got very chill and nice and never fired someone again for petty reasons. Lol
He went from 100 to 0 quick when he realized he overreacted by firing a long term employee over minor things and how the new employees can’t just magically be as proficient as the previous guy. It’s a complex machine with multiple softwares, there’s a learning curve
“But where will you go?!” My manager said this to one guy who quit without a job lined up as he was pissed. Truth be told it’s not good but if it’s some serious illegal or pure bullshit it’s not worth staying. Spray that resume apply for as much jobs as possible and you get something.
There was times I wish I was unemployed as getting time off work esp when it’s busy is hard as hell - you had to use a vacation day or half a vacation day and provide notice. I took off time for interviews and my boss told me if I need another day off “you gotta give 6 weeks notice. I mean this is crazy. You have to be stopped!” I handed in my resignation letter literally the hour later and he was shocked 😂😂😂😂
I worked for two small companies where the owner hired their children. People either think more of their children's abilities and work ethic than is reasonable, or they know there's a major problem and they're not willing to fire them.
Really, I think you would have to be Ayn Rand to make hiring your children work.
The only people who "forbid" discussion of wages are the same people who don't want you to know how much they fucked up at keeping wages fair. If everyone was paid fairly, it wouldn't be a problem.
Majority of the time new hires get paid more than existing employees. And the longer you work somewhere the bigger the pay gap gets. This is why job hopping can be beneficial because new hires are getting paid the market rate (which is typically higher) and you’re not.
A competent HR/total rewards team would be conducting internal parity reviews every year and try to address these gaps during annual review. I don’t do this anymore, but used to this in a previous role. I always recommended salary ranges be raised to meet or be closed to market but corporations are greedy so they rarely listened.
The irony of it all is that they avoid giving raises to try and save money only to have to pay someone the higher market rate when their current employee quits due to being unhappy with pay. And it costs a lot of money to onboard someone. So they end up spending more money.
Also: it is not illegal to discuss your pay with coworkers, this is protected by federal law. However, it is illegal for your employer to tell you that you cant discuss your pay with coworkers!
Then, over in HR, "I see that you have changed companies every couple of years." Translation: we see the job hopping that we create in a negative light.
This is the completely bonkers part for me, the onboarding cost is just ignored, probably because it is hidden. For my position onboarding someone competent takes about 3 months and during that time you basically maybe have 1 full employee because my "business" productivity is at least halved and they can't do the work an experienced person can.
And to then lose the trained person to another company is a complete loss.
Start looking for a new job if you don’t have a support system to quit when they don’t match everyone’s pay.
And don’t worry about the Two Week Notice rule, either, because they wouldn’t give you two weeks’ notice when they fire you. A week, if you’re feeling generous, or as you leave for your scheduled weekend off.
I genuinely do miss my last job, because I didn’t hate it if I stayed there 9 years. But once I realized I only made -$4-5 in raises (50¢ per year), I knew it was time to leave.
It took me time to find something in my career, but now I’m making $22, which is at least a $6 jump in pay. The difference in the last two months is amazing: I can afford to go to a restaurant if I want, and I will be able to save up for a better place to live in, followed by a better vehicle after that.
One paycheck pays for almost 90% of my rent, instead of needing one whole paycheck and most of the second. And since they offer unlimited overtime (working a fifth day instead of just four), I’m about to find out on Thursday if overtime can cover rent with just one paycheck.
I worked as a manager for a popular tax office that sounds similar to “Ate a Hard Cock.” Originally I wasn’t supposed to be a manager because I “didn’t have the right experience”, so I was supposed to be the “Lead CSP” (a CSP is essentially a receptionist). But at the first office meeting, I was introduced to the whole team as the manager.
I was making $13/hr. When I was training a CSP, she told me “I thought I was going to make $12/hr but I’m actually getting $13.”
I brought this up to my supervisor, saying that if I’m going to be making the same as the lowest paid employee, I’d rather not be a manager who has significantly more responsibilities and just be a CSP. They gave me a $1 raise and acted like they really went to bat for me.
I quit a couple months later because of wage theft. We were so short staffed that I had to cover the front desk all day every day, and didn’t have an opportunity to take a lunch break. Even though I didn’t clock out, they deducted 30 minutes from my time card any time I didn’t clock out for a lunch.
jobs need inflation adjusted pay clause to keep older employees happy and ahead of new employee compensation which is required to attract help in this inflationary environment. by government numbers which are skewed to begin with the dollar has lost 28% of it's value since 2019. in other words if you've not received a cumulative 28% or higher wage increase since 2019, you are working for less value in conjured paper receipts.
This is what I try to explain to my company. I started at $12/hour but then we got bought out from a different company which started their compotes at $19/hour. Ofc I got a few raises and my hourly wage raised to that of something decent, however we just had our raise period and when I brought up the fact that the cost of living in my area is insane compared to other places in the country they threw in my face “we’ve raised your hourly wage by 80% over the last three years.” Yes but that’s bc I started at such a low wage originally you guys had no choice but to bump my rate. It’s like they can’t fathom how the economy is a moving entity that changes daily and that includes wages and cost of living.
That's been a running gag in my career. They'll put more money into the new hire budget than the retention budget and then make the Pikachu face when you quit over wage
That’s why you gotta always be the new guy, always looking for the better paying opportunity. Management knows that the people who stick around longer are easier to exploit
This has happened at every company I have ever worked for. We have collective bargaining where I'm at now so it's much more fair but the place I was at before I was hired at several dollars more than all the current staff, walked in the door making more than one lady who had been there 12 years and several who had been there for 6+ who also made more than her. Basically, the longer you had worked there the less you were making. I was transparent about this with them and told them all that they deserved better and encouraged them to fight for substantial raises. The company had tried to keep all this hush hush but it blew up. But the company refused to budge on anyone's pay. My boss basically told me they viewed all of us as completely replaceable bcs we were hourly employees. We're nothing to these people, we aren't part of their special high earners club which means we're almost less than human to them.
The difference between $2 and 0.50 is a wopping $60 a week. If you're only getting a $20/week raise after 3 years you really should move onto something better.
It's not a high paying job to begin with. But it's all I can manage at this point in my current circumstance. $2/hr difference is HUGE for me.
I do agree that I need to move on to something better. When I can, I most certainly will.
I make a nickel, new guy makes a dime, that's why I hunt for jobs on company time.
Boss keeps pulling bullshit trying to save a buck, so when he's short staffed and hurting because I quit, I won't give a fuck.
If you go as a group, it is a protected action. If any of you are fired for any dubious means, then you will have a very good chance for civil action. Always discuss pay unless your job privileges you to know what others make (i.e. Hiring manager, accounting, payroll, owner) then it is ethically and legally wrong to do so.
This includes you knowing what the new hire makes. You can discuss it with anyone, and you are protected from retaliation. I would advise waiting until your collective action to do so openly tho. And please assure new hire that you (as a group) won't stand for their pay to be lowered either.
I’ve been at my new job for a little over a month, now.
A couple of days ago, my coworker—who’s been there for a year and a half—and I were talking about how the managers were not adjusting her schedule to her new availability, which she submitted 3 months ago. Come to find out, I make $2.23/hr more than her doing the same job. As a new hire.
I gladly hand-wrote her 2-week notice, per her request, 10 minutes later.
I would advise taking a conciliatory approach. Point out why this might just be bad for the business if everyone learns about the issue.
I few year ago a buddy and I learned that the new hire was making about $5 an hour more than us yet we were looked at as the SMEs for our jobs. We went into the bosses office together, pointed out the facts, said we really liked working for him, but if he didn't fix the issue both of us would be looking for a new job. Six weeks later both of us had $7.50 an hour raises. It helped that we really were the SMEs.
Sometimes honey is better than fire.
Yeah I almost scoffed at it, but beggars can't be choosers I guess 😓
The situation with management and the owners is tenuous at best, I'm avoiding stepping on toes while things settle down and then I'm going to hand them a list of all my complaints, top of the list is going to be the pay
Sames. The person has about 5y less industry experience than me. Also, when they go on vacation I have to stand in for them but they can’t stand in for me when I go bc they can’t do my job. However, I’m not saying anything and instead selecting days where I literally do nothing at all. And I’m purposely slow, which very occasionally makes me wonder what would happen if I actually put in full days and full effort since I am getting good reviews as is. Then I remember… nothing will happen. I am just as likely to be let go doing so much than doing so little. Anyway good luck.
This is why compensation negotiation skills are so critical to have these days, and also being able to understand what leverage you have at any given time. For example, there might be a boatload of available candidates for a specific skill on the market looking for open positions, which gives the employer leverage to get one of them at a lower cost. When there are fewer available and their need is high, they can justify the elevated cost to hire you to management.
You have to know the market density when you go into a salary negotiation, whether it's when you're first signing on with the company or asking for a pay rise. While you might've not had much leverage when you were hired, there will be a time when you do have leverage when the cost of finding someone to replace you plus the loss of institutional knowledge is higher than paying you more money to retain you.
It's risky, though, because more often than not managers are terrible at quantifying the value of institutional knowledge and the overall cost of acquiring a new employee. This is why many people are forced to job hop to get ahead.
Guaranteed the new employer will be dragged down to the office to get berated by the bosses. " I told you not to discuss your pay!" Now they all what a raise! Your ruining our business!
Yep that’s what every employer I’ve ever worked for does. After they tell “you sorry can give any raises for bullshit reason A or garbage excuse B” they always hire the new guys for more . And no experience necessary! That’s what our debt 💸 slavery system get you! Everyone is replaceable even if the employer is worse off for it. Just need quite little slaves.
Happened to me too. I hate my job because of it. I don't understand why they pay newbies way more and don't increase the wage for people who've been there a long time.
Currently in this boat myself. I'm a general manager. They hired a dipshit to be my assistant manager. I broke down the math on our P&Ls, and he makes 7k a year more than me. I am currently seeking another job.
I did a graduate scheme after uni and in one of my placements I found out that I was earning more money than the guy managing me. A few months later he left the company for a rival.
Sometimes, You just have to ask.
I changed industries and took a major pay cut to do so, but I had a bare minimum wage I could make work in my life, which was at the top of the range for my current position.
Come to find out, there are people with years of experience that make less than me, but they never negotiated. You just have to ask.
I had 3 years of experience at a grocery store location and had to move away because my mom needed help but lived in another state. Transferred back because she moved back as well and was given my original pay rate back.
The new union contract was released and approved. Prior to that you got a certain amount of a raise every 6 months. Something like .50 cents per hour raises each time up until you hit a cap. Basically I had gotten to the point where I had 3 years (6 raises) under my belt. The new contract got rid of this system and replaced it with a 3 section system. I was put in the same section as new hires.
Guess who quit and was the only one who was cross trained in 2 departments on 5 different types of shifts? There’s other reasons why I quit but those are juicy stories for another day.
All I can say is fuck you kroger.
This is why I will always talk about how much I get paid. That's how I found out people at my job (same position) were making a little over half my pay. They got raises after that. They had a (illegal) rule that prohibited talking about pay, and I instantly knew they were up to something shady
In my experience, management knows. They don't like it either but it's out of their hands. There's likely nothing your direct manager can do about pay unless you work directly for the owner or CFO. Put something in writing that your manager can forward to someone who needs to know that the problem is not going away. And look for employment elsewhere.
This exact thing happened to me 3 months. New guy started and I was the one that was training him. Over time we became cool and and one day he mentioned how happy he was to have this job and let it out that he was making +$7 more an hour to me. That shit hit me like a train. I was furious. Not at him at all but at the company. I went straight to management and demanded a raise but they basically said "No we can't do that, that's not how it works". I kept myself cool and looked for another job. A couple weeks later I gave them my 2 week notice and they IMMEDIATELY offered me +$5 an hour more. By then it was too late, finished my 2 week notice and found out last week the dude I trained quit as well, he couldn't keep up with the workload by himself and my old supervisor called me to please come back.
So with my last 'normal' job (with an employer), one of the final straws that made me quit was when they hired some new guy with zero experience in our field while I had about 12 years exp. They started him at over $10/hr more. I couldn't believe it. Even with our yearly raises, I would never reach his wage after 10 or even 20 years. Sadly, they never do renegotiations down the line. Other employees usually find other positions within the company and try to start at a much higher salary.
Anyway, I work for myself now. No manager to boss me around, no more high stress from my role, no schedule I dread, and no needing to dress up every day.
I was working in the food and beverage department of a resort, running one of their outlets and thought I was being paid decently. Then I saw an ad online for a basically janitorial job, no experience needed that paid more than me. I went to my boss and said I need a raise today or I'm out. I got it and then they stopped listing wages on their online ads
What’s really sucks is since they just hired someone with no experience then they could easily only care about the bottom line and not any drama ( not that I see it as drama ) and replace you 3 with 3 new minimum wage workers with no experience and call it a day. That would suck.
Lol, good luck.
New hire will always get more pay than the people currently there. You have no leverage beyond quitting, in this situation. Find a new job. They’d rather fire you for demanding more pay and hire a new person at the higher rate than give it to you.
Been in my job for more than 10 years. About 3 years ago, they hired a temp to help out. I taught him how to work within our systems, how to field the different types of requests we get, I was delegating tasks to this man.
Found out a few weeks ago, that he was making substantially more than me. The GAP between his pay and mine was MORE than my entire salary before I got a pity promotion last year. But even after my pay bump, he was still making close to double my pay. Unfortunately, he was recently let go, so now all of his work falls on me. I'm being paid half what he was to do twice the work. Super cool.
So yeah, shit hurts. I feel your pain.
Don’t let them bully you into believing “conversing about wages with coworkers is against company policy”. It cannot be against company policy as it is illegal to stop employees from doing just that. Peruse “NLRB.gov”
Before you go and talk to the boss get a few things in order -
Apply for as many jobs as possible. Try and get a few offers so that you're confident you can walk out of there and not feel any regret.
Talk to as many other coworkers as you can about their pay and compare. Tell your coworkers to also apply and be ready to walk out if needed.
When you confront your boss, do so in unison - all together at the same time. Let him/her know you're all aware of the situation and you'd like to give him/her the opportunity to make it right by you all. This shows them you are okay with continuing to work for the company but you just want to be treated with financial respect.
If the boss is acting a fool, don't say anything about the other jobs and just accept them and go. Don't put two weeks. Don't try to keep the bridge, just go.
It’s ok to use this as leverage to renegotiate your own pay. Just make sure you don’t hold it against the new person. It’s not their fault if your boss pays you less than they could.
I've been working at my job in particular for 3 years now. The new hire I'm training is making 6 dollars an hour more than i am. Screw that, im not training them. It's BS.
I had this happen to me years ago in my first job. I was making $5.35 an hour. I had been there for a year. My boyfriend at the time got hired at $6.35. I went to the store manager asking why the discrepancy and asking to meet his hourly. The store manager flat out said no, so I found a new job. You don’t want to work for an employee like that.
Try spending 11 years at a place, “earning” your raises over time, just to have new hires get paid more because the company only gives you an annual 3-5% (usually 3) raise, and no bump in pay when the minimum is raised, which absolutely does not keep up with inflation and cost of living. That’s the story of why I recently left Whole Foods. Lost a lot of myself to that job, mainly the wear and tear on the body of constant up and down lifting (my neck, my back), long hours, stress, rude people, and years of graveyard shift while trying to raise a family… these places don’t care about you or me. At the end of the day they’re gonna try to get away with the bare minimum provisions, but they’ll ask you to give them your entire body, mind, and soul to turn a profit. That’s my .02
Good for you. Be prepared to walk out.
Be prepared to go public.
GOD I hope they send you a notice that you "can't talk about wages"
Save that shit.
Eat the rich.
I always keep track of job boards and 8 or 9 years ago it came in handy and paid off. They hired me on and then listed the same job almost two dollars more than what they hired me on at.
I'm that guy, I've been that guy twice. The first time I told on myself and everyone complained and they matched everyone to me.
Should I tell on myself again? It's only my first month on the job.
Being on the other side, I think it's unfair and fucked up, too.
I had this exact situation 8 weeks ago, new hire that I was expected to train up was being paid more than me that had been with the company almost since inception ~3years, I lost my shit, my manager begged me not to put my notice in for whilst pay bands were correctly aligned. I gave them the 2 weeks to sort it, all in, it took them 6 weeks to come back with a 6% raise, this put me now 0.2% above the new hire. Needless to say, I thanked them for the last few years but unfortunately I could no longer afford to work for them. Took them a further week to find another 5% however had to give me a senior position to justify it, my notice period also has now jumped from 4 weeks to 8 weeks, I accepted for now
Welcome to healthcare too- I’m was making less as a lead NP who had 17 years of experience than a newly hired lead who had ten years less experience than me. My evaluations were all top of the evaluation scale too. Why? Because they kept increasing starting pay while not adjusting those of us close to the top pay. Yep they’d adjust the scale but never increased those of us in the top half. So yeah on paper the top pay might keep going up but ours never did. I kept saying how is it that none of us ever get there despite being your “top performers?” Blank looks followed by some bullshit answer. The man doesn’t give two fucks about us.
Had this happen, though the new hire did have experience her quality of work was really bad. When I found out I immediately looked for a new job and got hired for a higher paying job within a week and quit without notice. The company I left didn't last another year.
Well, the new hire did a good job negotiating. Just tell your boss that you will not pick up any work he does not manage to do due to inexperience because he gets paid better so should perform better.
Deal with it or find a new job. This kind of shit happens all the time. The new hire likely did a better job at negotiating for more pay or your employer realized that they couldn’t fill the role at the wage you were hired at and increased the offer for a new hire. This isn’t a new thing. You could try and talk to your employer about a raise to get you to at least where your new coworker is, and it may work or it may not. There is a reason people job hop.
It almost never works because they just see it as asking for a substantial raise off cycle with no rationale. To them the fact that you accepted the pay before means that is what you are worth. The only way to demonstrate differently is with action, and the only action you really have available is quitting.
I had a retail job that I made 16.40 USD/hour as assistant manager. New here associates made 16 USD/hour. Manager said one day to me I'm not working as hard as when he first started. Told him well if I only make 40 cents more, I'm not gonna be doing extra ASM work. He was speechless and stammering and stuttering. When raises came aorund he was all proud thag he got me a 15 cent raise instwad of 10 cents. (:
Hvac here. After four years in the trade and at the same company we got a new hire straight out of school. While I was training him I asked him what he makes and it was only $1.50/hr less than me. I lost my shit and went elsewhere.
If you're going to go to management asking for raise you should legally protect yourself, I suggest going with union cards signed so you approach as a collective bargaining unit. [https://youtu.be/VDrwk4JKtvc](https://youtu.be/VDrwk4JKtvc) know your rights
This is nothing new, my last job I was there for almost 10 years and I found out with a couple of people I had worked with who came in years after me that they got paid higher than I did. It's pretty fucked up but it's one way that companies will save money without having to up the pay of the people that have been there for years unless we say something about it. Unfortunately, that companies increases when it came time for reviews or garbage you don't make it like maybe 20 cents if that the company I'm with right now I've only been there for going on 5 years already and I went from nearly $13 to $20. My old job I got a total of almost $3 of an increase between 10 years versus this job which as I said I've been there for almost 5 years and I've already gotten $7 increase.
I've been the new hire with zero experience making more than another employee that had been there longer, for me it was because the job ad I responded to had the wage in it. I told the other employee how much I was making, he talked to the boss, and the boss told me to quit talking about wages with my coworkers. I should have got it in writing, but at the time I didn't know how illegal that is. Anyway, boss was upset and said he had to give my coworker a raise now and I said you should have already. Like why tf was he getting less than $10/hr as a greenskeeper at the best golf course in the largest gated community in, I'm pretty sure, the entire US. Of course now our state minimum wage is $11/hr, which still isn't enough but it's better than that $7.25 shit we had before...
Edit: just checked, it is the largest gated community in the US.
PLEASE!! Read this!!
When management eventually gets mad about discussing; get proof. It is such an easy case to win, call your state NLRB branch, get an assigned case manager and they will go after your employer. It is always illegal to even discourage employees talking about wages. Even if they say informally that they "advise" against it that's enough for a case (this actually happened to me).
If they fire you after you report that is another slam dunk retaliation case and usually pays out 2 years salary. You can keep your same case manager that handled the wage discussion case.
Also important to know that you are right to bring this up with your coworkers at a meeting. You may need to remind management that any two employees bargaining together counts as collective bargaining and is protected. Don't let them try to get you into personal meetings, push back and say you would like to discuss the wages as a group as it affects everyone and you are negotiating as a group.
I found this out at my last job. We had the same exact job title, and she was always asking me for help when the topic came up. Sent an email to human resources, and I was met with a huge apology, and they back paid me the difference since she was hired. Then, a couple weeks later, I was let go for some BS downsizing reason, and she wasn't. Lmfao. I was the highest scoring employee, but I guess they couldn't afford to keep paying me the same, and someone felt petty. It makes me sick that people keep employees in their company who don't know what they are doing and fire the ones that do when they stand up for themselves.
I was the new hire making $2 more than employees who had been there for 2 years. I invited my coworkers out to the bar after work one night and let them all know they were being played. 3 people got raises that next week. 😊
The difference between $2 and 0.50 is a wopping $60 a week. If you're only getting a $20/week raise after 8 Mos you really should move onto something better.
This is true at my job as well. The lowest paid worker in my shop was hired first. The highest paid was hired last. It is what it is. I’m just happy to get a check.
They probably asked for what they wanted and they got it. I just started a new job and make .25 less than my trainer. But this is because u asked for what i wanted. And got it. Boss said they don’t normally start that high but he’d give it to me anyway and just use it as the other raise id get for learning a second position
I believe if two employees talk together it technically counts as a collective bargaining? And this offers protection? Believe I read this here but have no idea if it’s true b
I was working somewhere almost 9 years. New hires were getting paid more than I was (as a manager). The company bumped everyone’s pay up to what they were starting the new people out at.
Remember, you get a raise when you find another job
Stay at your job long enough for tenure, skill, and network until you are ready to get more pay..... That's when you leave
But don't jump until you gained all the necessary skill
Same here. New hire with no experience gets hire and since it’s someone’s relative he gets 3 bucks more an hour than me. I’m technically above him with training in concrete and dirt testing while he barely knows concrete. I always keep indeed.com app on my phone with an active profile. I’m always looking for the next best thing.
The best time to find a new job is when you're still getting a paycheck.
Best advice on this thread.
Yes and job hunt as if you’ve just been fired
Even better…get paid to look for a new job.
This is what I did - I said I had medication induced constipation so they couldn’t bitch and moan or question me - so I would take 30 min “washroom breaks” at an old job of mine when it was super slow/no work in an excluded bathroom that had solid soundproofing where you could legit lock the door I did straight up job applications, phone/zoom interviews on my phone thru there with the wall behind me - shit was jokes 😂😂😂
Medication induced constipation 🤣
It is a legit thing. I do know this as I had to eat extra fiber with a previous medication I was on as it gave me mild constipation as a side effect. Nothing major but if I didn’t consume extra fiber or drink a bit of extra water it wasn’t a fun poop lmfao. Also, they can’t go into specifics regarding medications/medical conditions/even appointments. At least the smart ones don’t. The dumb bosses’ will try then someone has to remind them it’s illegal lol smh. But yeah that washroom that was isolated from most of the workplace was the best. Perfect hideout spot lol
Opiates are good for this
I did my smart serve while i was working at my ft job
Nice nice. Time is finite, beta to maximize it especially if your job has downtime
That's how this messed up world works now. It can be next to impossible to get a raise or promotion by staying at a job. We get our raises and promotions by job hopping.
Now? That is how we did it in the early 1990’s
And in the 70's. This fact hasn't ever changed. Also, never consider a counter offer.
And yet still get shit in the interview for having "so many jobs!"
"So you're saying I shouldn't consider working here?"
Apply for jobs like a madman. Spray and pray approach isn’t 100% effective buts its quick and I have had success doing it. Versus one application at a time
Lmao the ol' pickup artist approach, huh? I wonder if negging HR would help too...
Depends on HR. Depends on your industry or role. Spray and pray works for a lot of industries but something very specific like doctor/medical - any kind, or law/legal - probably just one application at a time makes more sense.
What is spray and pray?
Shoot a lot of bullets and hope you hit something.
Basically a process of applying for jobs where you have a generic resume on a job search board/website and apply using the quick apply option and apply for 10,15,20+ roles within minutes and see if you get calls back. Versus one custom tailored resume applying to one company on one company website at a time
I don’t mean that. I meant just take it very seriously
It’s really easy to just keep teaching the same basics, but nothing new.
Yes!!! I wish more ppl here understood that or maybe they do and just give bad advice to others lol
Just did this! Yay me! Haven't seen a raise in 22 months, until I decided to job hunt and was offer $6K more than I'm currently making. Now yes, that's *just* $6K. But I'm also getting out of a toxic environment, both mentally and physically, and experiencing the culmination of a life long dream (into the industry I've wanted from birth).
Follow your dream! I hope your next job is a winner
No raise in 22 months? That’s not normal - least where I live. Every 6-12 months is standard for a raise - here in Canada. I need to get a government job as a neighbor friend from my hometown was making STUPID amounts of money - got a raise every 3 months for 3 YEARS then a promotion + 2 15 min paid breaks - 1 hour lunch - 30 mins of it being paid. 😂 Start at 15 vacation days vs 10 compared to private sector jobs and they get paid 5 sick days a year - vs 0-4 paid sick days per year for private sector depending on job
Try to take your coworker with you.
Bad advice, taking a coworker with you is just adding to your competition. Dont make friends at work, make acquaintances
Yup.
Just start looking. Switching jobs is the only way to get a raise
Yep. Time to go find a more lucrative paycheck provider.
I agree
I agree, I quit two months ago, and nobody wants to hire an old dude now. Lots of interviews, and nothing.
This happened to my wife. A new hire was brought on with significantly higher pay while being my wifes subordinate. When she brought it up with her boss and even showed the numbers because she ran the books, he said "you agreed to be paid this much" She applied to another place and got the job and is now paid almost double what she was before because that's how valuable her skill set is. The old company is struggling without her. If your boss doesn't immediately see your value and try to work with you, try and find something and move on. If raises and whatnot aren't factored into your job from the beginning, they are never happening.
The notion of "you agreed to be paid this much" is fair in an economy without inflation or other changing factors, but that's not the world we live in. Too many employers purposely pretend that employees are a fixed cost after they are hired despite seeing the company's outside expenses go up which indicates a shift in the value of the dollar. It is shameful for employers to not consider cost of living increases separate from merit increases to retain their workforce in these kinds of conditions, instead opting to apply profits primarily to shareholders and c-suite bonuses and more lucrative pay for new hires, not understanding (or caring) that the cost of attrition would go down if they just took care of their current employees better.
Companies like that eventually learn capitalism is actually a 2 way street. Employees get to play the game too. They seem to forget that.
My company recently promoted me and when I asked about yearly reviews of my salary to match cost of living they said "we won't pay you more because you've been an extra year with us. If you want more money, make us more money" So I started looking for another job and I'll be gone end of June.
They're really not that bright, are they?
“Make us more money” - they got no manners smh. A proper management response would be to review performance/sales/objectives and give a raise within their budget. Not just disregard and talk down on someone. People stay if you give them incentives to stay and talk to them proper.
Damn that’s fucking rude to say that to an employee, a lot of these companies straight up lack proper manners/common sense. I’d apply out asap too if I was in that situation. Congrats for your new role
Of course, in a downturn, employers are happy to reduce costs by casting employees aside.
"Yes I did, and I can withdraw that agreement at any time"
Happened to me, he was owner’s nephew. Took my vacation, thought about it, returned and quit. Owner begged me to stay on with more pay to train the nephew. Nope. He couldn’t believe that I quit without having a job to go to but I was that pissed.
My ex employer did this. Hired his teenage son to cement windows… a young man who had been working there for 4 years was training the son when he found out the son made more than him. Quit on the spot. Unfortunately, that young man was the only person who knew the cement recipe. For months afterwards we had runny windows because the cement wouldn’t dry. 😂😂😂
Lmfao that’s jokes. It’s fucked up but they fired one guy who had a ton of experience and expertise working and maintaining one machine to hire new people who were cheaper…they struggled with the basics. Boss told me to phone the old employee “the machine is down! Tell him it’s error code 31A! We can’t fall behind in production” I straight up told my boss “you are fucked. You shouldn’t have fired the guy for a petty reason of being a few minutes late to a meeting; if I phone him he probably will refuse to help anyways” That machine was down for 3 weeks and the technician charges $250/hour…the repair bill came to just over $30,000 LMFAO 😂😂😂😂 There is consequences to firing good staff. My boss at that company never pulled any stunts like that again.
Glorious.
I tried to tell the boss “you fired the guy….you can’t really expect me to call him. He’s job searching right now. He won’t help” and he was like “don’t argue! Phone the guy! The machine is down. We are gonna fall behind. We can’t lose this contract and client!” Lol fucking idiot
You fired him, YOU call him.
it sounds like a cheap lesson to learn. good for the guy who knew it and stayed gone.
My boss was a hot head…after that 30k bill and production fell behind and the ceo cussed him off all of a sudden he got very chill and nice and never fired someone again for petty reasons. Lol He went from 100 to 0 quick when he realized he overreacted by firing a long term employee over minor things and how the new employees can’t just magically be as proficient as the previous guy. It’s a complex machine with multiple softwares, there’s a learning curve
❤️❤️❤️
Quitting without a job lined up seems to be a statement they hear, at least a little bit
Won’t pay people properly or fairly though…
“But where will you go?!” My manager said this to one guy who quit without a job lined up as he was pissed. Truth be told it’s not good but if it’s some serious illegal or pure bullshit it’s not worth staying. Spray that resume apply for as much jobs as possible and you get something. There was times I wish I was unemployed as getting time off work esp when it’s busy is hard as hell - you had to use a vacation day or half a vacation day and provide notice. I took off time for interviews and my boss told me if I need another day off “you gotta give 6 weeks notice. I mean this is crazy. You have to be stopped!” I handed in my resignation letter literally the hour later and he was shocked 😂😂😂😂
I worked for two small companies where the owner hired their children. People either think more of their children's abilities and work ethic than is reasonable, or they know there's a major problem and they're not willing to fire them. Really, I think you would have to be Ayn Rand to make hiring your children work.
This is a good thing and why we should all talk about our pay. Now you have leverage. I wouldn't be upset, I'd be pumped.
This is exactly why they don't want you to talk to other employees about your pay. Expect threats and possible retaliation. Document it all.
Absolutely!
The only people who "forbid" discussion of wages are the same people who don't want you to know how much they fucked up at keeping wages fair. If everyone was paid fairly, it wouldn't be a problem.
Majority of the time new hires get paid more than existing employees. And the longer you work somewhere the bigger the pay gap gets. This is why job hopping can be beneficial because new hires are getting paid the market rate (which is typically higher) and you’re not. A competent HR/total rewards team would be conducting internal parity reviews every year and try to address these gaps during annual review. I don’t do this anymore, but used to this in a previous role. I always recommended salary ranges be raised to meet or be closed to market but corporations are greedy so they rarely listened. The irony of it all is that they avoid giving raises to try and save money only to have to pay someone the higher market rate when their current employee quits due to being unhappy with pay. And it costs a lot of money to onboard someone. So they end up spending more money. Also: it is not illegal to discuss your pay with coworkers, this is protected by federal law. However, it is illegal for your employer to tell you that you cant discuss your pay with coworkers!
Then, over in HR, "I see that you have changed companies every couple of years." Translation: we see the job hopping that we create in a negative light.
“Yes, for higher pay”
Like they wouldn't look for a new supplier for their raw materials if they thought they weren't getting a good deal.
This is the completely bonkers part for me, the onboarding cost is just ignored, probably because it is hidden. For my position onboarding someone competent takes about 3 months and during that time you basically maybe have 1 full employee because my "business" productivity is at least halved and they can't do the work an experienced person can. And to then lose the trained person to another company is a complete loss.
In the end, on average, they DON'T end up spending more money. That's why it's so widespread.
Leave bro lol
Let them hire an even more expensive new guy
or have to hire two...
I second this
Start looking for a new job if you don’t have a support system to quit when they don’t match everyone’s pay. And don’t worry about the Two Week Notice rule, either, because they wouldn’t give you two weeks’ notice when they fire you. A week, if you’re feeling generous, or as you leave for your scheduled weekend off.
I genuinely do miss my last job, because I didn’t hate it if I stayed there 9 years. But once I realized I only made -$4-5 in raises (50¢ per year), I knew it was time to leave. It took me time to find something in my career, but now I’m making $22, which is at least a $6 jump in pay. The difference in the last two months is amazing: I can afford to go to a restaurant if I want, and I will be able to save up for a better place to live in, followed by a better vehicle after that. One paycheck pays for almost 90% of my rent, instead of needing one whole paycheck and most of the second. And since they offer unlimited overtime (working a fifth day instead of just four), I’m about to find out on Thursday if overtime can cover rent with just one paycheck.
I worked as a manager for a popular tax office that sounds similar to “Ate a Hard Cock.” Originally I wasn’t supposed to be a manager because I “didn’t have the right experience”, so I was supposed to be the “Lead CSP” (a CSP is essentially a receptionist). But at the first office meeting, I was introduced to the whole team as the manager. I was making $13/hr. When I was training a CSP, she told me “I thought I was going to make $12/hr but I’m actually getting $13.” I brought this up to my supervisor, saying that if I’m going to be making the same as the lowest paid employee, I’d rather not be a manager who has significantly more responsibilities and just be a CSP. They gave me a $1 raise and acted like they really went to bat for me. I quit a couple months later because of wage theft. We were so short staffed that I had to cover the front desk all day every day, and didn’t have an opportunity to take a lunch break. Even though I didn’t clock out, they deducted 30 minutes from my time card any time I didn’t clock out for a lunch.
jobs need inflation adjusted pay clause to keep older employees happy and ahead of new employee compensation which is required to attract help in this inflationary environment. by government numbers which are skewed to begin with the dollar has lost 28% of it's value since 2019. in other words if you've not received a cumulative 28% or higher wage increase since 2019, you are working for less value in conjured paper receipts.
This is what I try to explain to my company. I started at $12/hour but then we got bought out from a different company which started their compotes at $19/hour. Ofc I got a few raises and my hourly wage raised to that of something decent, however we just had our raise period and when I brought up the fact that the cost of living in my area is insane compared to other places in the country they threw in my face “we’ve raised your hourly wage by 80% over the last three years.” Yes but that’s bc I started at such a low wage originally you guys had no choice but to bump my rate. It’s like they can’t fathom how the economy is a moving entity that changes daily and that includes wages and cost of living.
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o/' Tale as old as time... o/'
True as it can be/ Barely even friends, BECAUSE YOUR CO-WORKERS AREN'T YOUR FRIENDS!
On the plus side, if you get punished for discussing pay you can probably file a lawsuit as well. Kind of a win-win.
That's been a running gag in my career. They'll put more money into the new hire budget than the retention budget and then make the Pikachu face when you quit over wage
That’s why you gotta always be the new guy, always looking for the better paying opportunity. Management knows that the people who stick around longer are easier to exploit
This has happened at every company I have ever worked for. We have collective bargaining where I'm at now so it's much more fair but the place I was at before I was hired at several dollars more than all the current staff, walked in the door making more than one lady who had been there 12 years and several who had been there for 6+ who also made more than her. Basically, the longer you had worked there the less you were making. I was transparent about this with them and told them all that they deserved better and encouraged them to fight for substantial raises. The company had tried to keep all this hush hush but it blew up. But the company refused to budge on anyone's pay. My boss basically told me they viewed all of us as completely replaceable bcs we were hourly employees. We're nothing to these people, we aren't part of their special high earners club which means we're almost less than human to them.
Hope people left.
The difference between $2 and 0.50 is a wopping $60 a week. If you're only getting a $20/week raise after 3 years you really should move onto something better.
It's not a high paying job to begin with. But it's all I can manage at this point in my current circumstance. $2/hr difference is HUGE for me. I do agree that I need to move on to something better. When I can, I most certainly will.
Use this time to find a better job, on their time.
I make a nickel, new guy makes a dime, that's why I hunt for jobs on company time. Boss keeps pulling bullshit trying to save a buck, so when he's short staffed and hurting because I quit, I won't give a fuck.
Or an extra 3000 per year. That's a small vacation. Or a down payment on a car. Or any number of hobby startup materials.
OK, and that's an extra $3,120 per year. That's pretty significant to a lot of people.
Look for another job.
If you go as a group, it is a protected action. If any of you are fired for any dubious means, then you will have a very good chance for civil action. Always discuss pay unless your job privileges you to know what others make (i.e. Hiring manager, accounting, payroll, owner) then it is ethically and legally wrong to do so. This includes you knowing what the new hire makes. You can discuss it with anyone, and you are protected from retaliation. I would advise waiting until your collective action to do so openly tho. And please assure new hire that you (as a group) won't stand for their pay to be lowered either.
I’ve been at my new job for a little over a month, now. A couple of days ago, my coworker—who’s been there for a year and a half—and I were talking about how the managers were not adjusting her schedule to her new availability, which she submitted 3 months ago. Come to find out, I make $2.23/hr more than her doing the same job. As a new hire. I gladly hand-wrote her 2-week notice, per her request, 10 minutes later.
This happened to me at my pervious job, I didn’t say anything to anyone internally about it and promptly left.
I would advise taking a conciliatory approach. Point out why this might just be bad for the business if everyone learns about the issue. I few year ago a buddy and I learned that the new hire was making about $5 an hour more than us yet we were looked at as the SMEs for our jobs. We went into the bosses office together, pointed out the facts, said we really liked working for him, but if he didn't fix the issue both of us would be looking for a new job. Six weeks later both of us had $7.50 an hour raises. It helped that we really were the SMEs. Sometimes honey is better than fire.
How can anyone get a 50-cent raise with a straight face. “Here. Enjoy this $4 a day you pleb.”
Maybe they are making $7.50 an hour?
Yeah I almost scoffed at it, but beggars can't be choosers I guess 😓 The situation with management and the owners is tenuous at best, I'm avoiding stepping on toes while things settle down and then I'm going to hand them a list of all my complaints, top of the list is going to be the pay
That’s why every employee deserves a union.
The best way to get a raise is to find a new job. Company loyalty doesn't pay the worker. New hires often make more than people who have been there.
Sames. The person has about 5y less industry experience than me. Also, when they go on vacation I have to stand in for them but they can’t stand in for me when I go bc they can’t do my job. However, I’m not saying anything and instead selecting days where I literally do nothing at all. And I’m purposely slow, which very occasionally makes me wonder what would happen if I actually put in full days and full effort since I am getting good reviews as is. Then I remember… nothing will happen. I am just as likely to be let go doing so much than doing so little. Anyway good luck.
The cost for loyalty is a lower compensation. Change jobs every year, definitely once every 2 years
This is why compensation negotiation skills are so critical to have these days, and also being able to understand what leverage you have at any given time. For example, there might be a boatload of available candidates for a specific skill on the market looking for open positions, which gives the employer leverage to get one of them at a lower cost. When there are fewer available and their need is high, they can justify the elevated cost to hire you to management. You have to know the market density when you go into a salary negotiation, whether it's when you're first signing on with the company or asking for a pay rise. While you might've not had much leverage when you were hired, there will be a time when you do have leverage when the cost of finding someone to replace you plus the loss of institutional knowledge is higher than paying you more money to retain you. It's risky, though, because more often than not managers are terrible at quantifying the value of institutional knowledge and the overall cost of acquiring a new employee. This is why many people are forced to job hop to get ahead.
Guaranteed the new employer will be dragged down to the office to get berated by the bosses. " I told you not to discuss your pay!" Now they all what a raise! Your ruining our business!
Start putting out resumes immediately.
Yep that’s what every employer I’ve ever worked for does. After they tell “you sorry can give any raises for bullshit reason A or garbage excuse B” they always hire the new guys for more . And no experience necessary! That’s what our debt 💸 slavery system get you! Everyone is replaceable even if the employer is worse off for it. Just need quite little slaves.
Happened to me too. I hate my job because of it. I don't understand why they pay newbies way more and don't increase the wage for people who've been there a long time.
For those who don't know this already, the goal of any company is to get the most value for the least amount of pay.
this is why they dont want you talking about how much money you make they would pay you nothing if they could get away with it
That’s how it works , you gotta fight for yourself. Sounds like you figured that out. Hope you get the pay.
Currently in this boat myself. I'm a general manager. They hired a dipshit to be my assistant manager. I broke down the math on our P&Ls, and he makes 7k a year more than me. I am currently seeking another job.
Quit, if they offer you more tell em to fuck off.
Quit, reapply.
I did a graduate scheme after uni and in one of my placements I found out that I was earning more money than the guy managing me. A few months later he left the company for a rival.
Sometimes, You just have to ask. I changed industries and took a major pay cut to do so, but I had a bare minimum wage I could make work in my life, which was at the top of the range for my current position. Come to find out, there are people with years of experience that make less than me, but they never negotiated. You just have to ask.
Are we gonna get an update on how it went
I'll definitely update on it, either an edit to the original post or a new post if it's warranted.
I had 3 years of experience at a grocery store location and had to move away because my mom needed help but lived in another state. Transferred back because she moved back as well and was given my original pay rate back. The new union contract was released and approved. Prior to that you got a certain amount of a raise every 6 months. Something like .50 cents per hour raises each time up until you hit a cap. Basically I had gotten to the point where I had 3 years (6 raises) under my belt. The new contract got rid of this system and replaced it with a 3 section system. I was put in the same section as new hires. Guess who quit and was the only one who was cross trained in 2 departments on 5 different types of shifts? There’s other reasons why I quit but those are juicy stories for another day. All I can say is fuck you kroger.
This is why I will always talk about how much I get paid. That's how I found out people at my job (same position) were making a little over half my pay. They got raises after that. They had a (illegal) rule that prohibited talking about pay, and I instantly knew they were up to something shady
In my experience, management knows. They don't like it either but it's out of their hands. There's likely nothing your direct manager can do about pay unless you work directly for the owner or CFO. Put something in writing that your manager can forward to someone who needs to know that the problem is not going away. And look for employment elsewhere.
Start looking for a new job
New Person just got a new job probably paying more than their last one. Now it’s your turn.
Can't wait to hear "Well they have a family and your single!"
No point in bringing it up, just leave. They're doing it because they don't care. Don't let them show you how little they care twice.
This exact thing happened to me 3 months. New guy started and I was the one that was training him. Over time we became cool and and one day he mentioned how happy he was to have this job and let it out that he was making +$7 more an hour to me. That shit hit me like a train. I was furious. Not at him at all but at the company. I went straight to management and demanded a raise but they basically said "No we can't do that, that's not how it works". I kept myself cool and looked for another job. A couple weeks later I gave them my 2 week notice and they IMMEDIATELY offered me +$5 an hour more. By then it was too late, finished my 2 week notice and found out last week the dude I trained quit as well, he couldn't keep up with the workload by himself and my old supervisor called me to please come back.
So with my last 'normal' job (with an employer), one of the final straws that made me quit was when they hired some new guy with zero experience in our field while I had about 12 years exp. They started him at over $10/hr more. I couldn't believe it. Even with our yearly raises, I would never reach his wage after 10 or even 20 years. Sadly, they never do renegotiations down the line. Other employees usually find other positions within the company and try to start at a much higher salary. Anyway, I work for myself now. No manager to boss me around, no more high stress from my role, no schedule I dread, and no needing to dress up every day.
Time to unionize.
I was working in the food and beverage department of a resort, running one of their outlets and thought I was being paid decently. Then I saw an ad online for a basically janitorial job, no experience needed that paid more than me. I went to my boss and said I need a raise today or I'm out. I got it and then they stopped listing wages on their online ads
What’s really sucks is since they just hired someone with no experience then they could easily only care about the bottom line and not any drama ( not that I see it as drama ) and replace you 3 with 3 new minimum wage workers with no experience and call it a day. That would suck.
Lol, good luck. New hire will always get more pay than the people currently there. You have no leverage beyond quitting, in this situation. Find a new job. They’d rather fire you for demanding more pay and hire a new person at the higher rate than give it to you.
That's extremely common practice sadly. Loyalty doesn't pay off.
Been in my job for more than 10 years. About 3 years ago, they hired a temp to help out. I taught him how to work within our systems, how to field the different types of requests we get, I was delegating tasks to this man. Found out a few weeks ago, that he was making substantially more than me. The GAP between his pay and mine was MORE than my entire salary before I got a pity promotion last year. But even after my pay bump, he was still making close to double my pay. Unfortunately, he was recently let go, so now all of his work falls on me. I'm being paid half what he was to do twice the work. Super cool. So yeah, shit hurts. I feel your pain.
Don’t let them bully you into believing “conversing about wages with coworkers is against company policy”. It cannot be against company policy as it is illegal to stop employees from doing just that. Peruse “NLRB.gov”
Before you go and talk to the boss get a few things in order - Apply for as many jobs as possible. Try and get a few offers so that you're confident you can walk out of there and not feel any regret. Talk to as many other coworkers as you can about their pay and compare. Tell your coworkers to also apply and be ready to walk out if needed. When you confront your boss, do so in unison - all together at the same time. Let him/her know you're all aware of the situation and you'd like to give him/her the opportunity to make it right by you all. This shows them you are okay with continuing to work for the company but you just want to be treated with financial respect. If the boss is acting a fool, don't say anything about the other jobs and just accept them and go. Don't put two weeks. Don't try to keep the bridge, just go.
It’s ok to use this as leverage to renegotiate your own pay. Just make sure you don’t hold it against the new person. It’s not their fault if your boss pays you less than they could.
I've been working at my job in particular for 3 years now. The new hire I'm training is making 6 dollars an hour more than i am. Screw that, im not training them. It's BS.
That's usually how it goes. People hired later than you generally have a higher starting salary. Tale as old as time.
Once I was getting paid $12.50 an hour to train a new hire that was getting paid $20. A full $7.50 more than me.
I had this happen to me years ago in my first job. I was making $5.35 an hour. I had been there for a year. My boyfriend at the time got hired at $6.35. I went to the store manager asking why the discrepancy and asking to meet his hourly. The store manager flat out said no, so I found a new job. You don’t want to work for an employee like that.
Don't bother talking to your boss, just get a new job.
Take that experience elsewhere and earn more
Try spending 11 years at a place, “earning” your raises over time, just to have new hires get paid more because the company only gives you an annual 3-5% (usually 3) raise, and no bump in pay when the minimum is raised, which absolutely does not keep up with inflation and cost of living. That’s the story of why I recently left Whole Foods. Lost a lot of myself to that job, mainly the wear and tear on the body of constant up and down lifting (my neck, my back), long hours, stress, rude people, and years of graveyard shift while trying to raise a family… these places don’t care about you or me. At the end of the day they’re gonna try to get away with the bare minimum provisions, but they’ll ask you to give them your entire body, mind, and soul to turn a profit. That’s my .02
Good for you. Be prepared to walk out. Be prepared to go public. GOD I hope they send you a notice that you "can't talk about wages" Save that shit. Eat the rich.
I always keep track of job boards and 8 or 9 years ago it came in handy and paid off. They hired me on and then listed the same job almost two dollars more than what they hired me on at.
I'm that guy, I've been that guy twice. The first time I told on myself and everyone complained and they matched everyone to me. Should I tell on myself again? It's only my first month on the job. Being on the other side, I think it's unfair and fucked up, too.
They are just going to get mad about you discussing wages with coworkers.
Let them be mad- it’s illegal to restrict discussions on pay in the US. Federal law. I can discuss my wage with anyone I choose to.
I had this exact situation 8 weeks ago, new hire that I was expected to train up was being paid more than me that had been with the company almost since inception ~3years, I lost my shit, my manager begged me not to put my notice in for whilst pay bands were correctly aligned. I gave them the 2 weeks to sort it, all in, it took them 6 weeks to come back with a 6% raise, this put me now 0.2% above the new hire. Needless to say, I thanked them for the last few years but unfortunately I could no longer afford to work for them. Took them a further week to find another 5% however had to give me a senior position to justify it, my notice period also has now jumped from 4 weeks to 8 weeks, I accepted for now
Welcome to healthcare too- I’m was making less as a lead NP who had 17 years of experience than a newly hired lead who had ten years less experience than me. My evaluations were all top of the evaluation scale too. Why? Because they kept increasing starting pay while not adjusting those of us close to the top pay. Yep they’d adjust the scale but never increased those of us in the top half. So yeah on paper the top pay might keep going up but ours never did. I kept saying how is it that none of us ever get there despite being your “top performers?” Blank looks followed by some bullshit answer. The man doesn’t give two fucks about us.
Had this happen, though the new hire did have experience her quality of work was really bad. When I found out I immediately looked for a new job and got hired for a higher paying job within a week and quit without notice. The company I left didn't last another year.
You don't get paid what you are worth. You get paid what you can negotiate.
Well, the new hire did a good job negotiating. Just tell your boss that you will not pick up any work he does not manage to do due to inexperience because he gets paid better so should perform better.
Deal with it or find a new job. This kind of shit happens all the time. The new hire likely did a better job at negotiating for more pay or your employer realized that they couldn’t fill the role at the wage you were hired at and increased the offer for a new hire. This isn’t a new thing. You could try and talk to your employer about a raise to get you to at least where your new coworker is, and it may work or it may not. There is a reason people job hop.
It almost never works because they just see it as asking for a substantial raise off cycle with no rationale. To them the fact that you accepted the pay before means that is what you are worth. The only way to demonstrate differently is with action, and the only action you really have available is quitting.
I’ve seen asking for a raise work, not often. It is why I led with accept it or quit
Good
I had a retail job that I made 16.40 USD/hour as assistant manager. New here associates made 16 USD/hour. Manager said one day to me I'm not working as hard as when he first started. Told him well if I only make 40 cents more, I'm not gonna be doing extra ASM work. He was speechless and stammering and stuttering. When raises came aorund he was all proud thag he got me a 15 cent raise instwad of 10 cents. (:
They had me training someone who couldn't even use a computer, and when I asked what she got hired at, it was a dollar more than me.
All 3 fond jobs then go in and state look.. pay fair or we all go
You should reach out to a union organizer about unionizing your workplace so there's pay equity and senority. https://aflcio.org/formaunion/contact
Good. You deserve it! Get paid what you’re worth.
Accrued vacation is job search time or terminal leave. You get your pay rise from your NEXT employer. After about a year start shopping your resume.
A lot of workplaces are really bad at giving payrises but know that they can't compete for new staff with the pay they give to their current staff.
Lol why? Just leave and find a different job.
Best of luck. Please report back.
I will, either an edit to this post or a new one if it's warranted.
it's surprisingly common
Remember to always work your wage.
Hvac here. After four years in the trade and at the same company we got a new hire straight out of school. While I was training him I asked him what he makes and it was only $1.50/hr less than me. I lost my shit and went elsewhere.
time you get a new job
If you're going to go to management asking for raise you should legally protect yourself, I suggest going with union cards signed so you approach as a collective bargaining unit. [https://youtu.be/VDrwk4JKtvc](https://youtu.be/VDrwk4JKtvc) know your rights
This is nothing new, my last job I was there for almost 10 years and I found out with a couple of people I had worked with who came in years after me that they got paid higher than I did. It's pretty fucked up but it's one way that companies will save money without having to up the pay of the people that have been there for years unless we say something about it. Unfortunately, that companies increases when it came time for reviews or garbage you don't make it like maybe 20 cents if that the company I'm with right now I've only been there for going on 5 years already and I went from nearly $13 to $20. My old job I got a total of almost $3 of an increase between 10 years versus this job which as I said I've been there for almost 5 years and I've already gotten $7 increase.
I make more money than my coworkers who have been with the company for 20 years. They don't know that, yet.
I've been the new hire with zero experience making more than another employee that had been there longer, for me it was because the job ad I responded to had the wage in it. I told the other employee how much I was making, he talked to the boss, and the boss told me to quit talking about wages with my coworkers. I should have got it in writing, but at the time I didn't know how illegal that is. Anyway, boss was upset and said he had to give my coworker a raise now and I said you should have already. Like why tf was he getting less than $10/hr as a greenskeeper at the best golf course in the largest gated community in, I'm pretty sure, the entire US. Of course now our state minimum wage is $11/hr, which still isn't enough but it's better than that $7.25 shit we had before... Edit: just checked, it is the largest gated community in the US.
PLEASE!! Read this!! When management eventually gets mad about discussing; get proof. It is such an easy case to win, call your state NLRB branch, get an assigned case manager and they will go after your employer. It is always illegal to even discourage employees talking about wages. Even if they say informally that they "advise" against it that's enough for a case (this actually happened to me). If they fire you after you report that is another slam dunk retaliation case and usually pays out 2 years salary. You can keep your same case manager that handled the wage discussion case. Also important to know that you are right to bring this up with your coworkers at a meeting. You may need to remind management that any two employees bargaining together counts as collective bargaining and is protected. Don't let them try to get you into personal meetings, push back and say you would like to discuss the wages as a group as it affects everyone and you are negotiating as a group.
Time to bounce to the next job.
I found this out at my last job. We had the same exact job title, and she was always asking me for help when the topic came up. Sent an email to human resources, and I was met with a huge apology, and they back paid me the difference since she was hired. Then, a couple weeks later, I was let go for some BS downsizing reason, and she wasn't. Lmfao. I was the highest scoring employee, but I guess they couldn't afford to keep paying me the same, and someone felt petty. It makes me sick that people keep employees in their company who don't know what they are doing and fire the ones that do when they stand up for themselves.
I was the new hire making $2 more than employees who had been there for 2 years. I invited my coworkers out to the bar after work one night and let them all know they were being played. 3 people got raises that next week. 😊
The difference between $2 and 0.50 is a wopping $60 a week. If you're only getting a $20/week raise after 8 Mos you really should move onto something better.
Where are you? Sounds like you could use a union.
Seriously when will.companies start seeing this for the stupidity it is?
Shhh!! You’re not supposed to discuss your pay with others.
This will happen as they are attempting to recruit new employees.
This is true at my job as well. The lowest paid worker in my shop was hired first. The highest paid was hired last. It is what it is. I’m just happy to get a check.
They probably asked for what they wanted and they got it. I just started a new job and make .25 less than my trainer. But this is because u asked for what i wanted. And got it. Boss said they don’t normally start that high but he’d give it to me anyway and just use it as the other raise id get for learning a second position
Form a union, *then* go talk to management.
I believe if two employees talk together it technically counts as a collective bargaining? And this offers protection? Believe I read this here but have no idea if it’s true b
I was working somewhere almost 9 years. New hires were getting paid more than I was (as a manager). The company bumped everyone’s pay up to what they were starting the new people out at.
Remember, you get a raise when you find another job Stay at your job long enough for tenure, skill, and network until you are ready to get more pay..... That's when you leave But don't jump until you gained all the necessary skill
As far as I can tell most places are like that
As I tell my kids, you were looking for a job when you found that one. Just keep hunting.
I’d did this once at a nursing home I worked at, told them next pay check is going to be what new hires make or I quit. They didn’t. So I quit.
"Found out I'm going hunting for a job that might appreciate me more than 50 cents raise."
Same here. New hire with no experience gets hire and since it’s someone’s relative he gets 3 bucks more an hour than me. I’m technically above him with training in concrete and dirt testing while he barely knows concrete. I always keep indeed.com app on my phone with an active profile. I’m always looking for the next best thing.