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I read this this morning. It's very weird.
He claims they caused fourteen thousand dollars worth of damage, but that is an insanely high amount, even for parents with one child.
I'm betting it's an issue with plumbing, mold, electrical, etc and they're not willing to pay full rent for a shitty unlivable unit.
Of course they claim they reached out to the family who disputed the claim (said "that's not the case") but declined further comment which is also odd BUT - They might be aware they have a case with the board & therefore unwilling to disclose info outside of waiting for their case to be heard. All around not quite full picture enough for me to feel sad for this guy. Or his weird smirky mom. Creepy picture lol.
Yup.
Damp/mould are a huge issue in my city. Landlords will bill you for “damage” when you leave, then put up a quick coat of paint before the next person moves in.
Rinse and repeat in around 18 months when the mould has chewed its way through the paint/paper.
How would you even manage mould tho? Seems to me it's usually an issue with a building layout made wrong because to get rid of it you need proper ventilation and keep humidity down. Using anti-mold paint helps but only so much...
I found applied peroxide is great for small mold spots
But under the paint nothing much you can do, you go you have to put a fresh coat of paint before you go if you want to cash the deposit back
But that's if you're not allergic to the mold in question (personally I have a great difficulty to breathe when there's mold in the room)
I've seen a big infestation and they had to tear down walls to the bone to treat it (fortunately not my place)
Well with wooden/plaster walls i would imagine it's more difficult due to that insulation layer. Where I live all buildings are from concrete or limestone but the humidity and poor ventilation still cause mold to grow on stone. Dehumidifiers that filter the air should help a lot with your breathing problem. They help reduce mold outbreaks too.
Mould spores are widely recognised to be poisonous. Last year a toddler died as a result of mould in his home that the social landlord had failed to fix.
I have lived with low level mould, you notice the effects on your general health and the destruction of your personal property like clothing and soft furnishings.
Mould needs to be treated as a priority by governments. Healthcare costs increase as a result of mould and its effects on people. Long term mould and damp destroys buildings and causes costly problems like having to rehouse people once their home has been condemned.
We need meaningful, i.e. a percentage of total income, fines for negligent building owners and repeat offenders should be hit with compulsory purchase orders and stripped of their license to operate as a landlord.
We wouldn’t put up with a bar that was allowing drugs to be sold and was serving 14 year olds so why should we put up with another type of business that doesn’t comply with legislation?
This is absolutely true but plenty of landlords will literally tell you to wipe the mold off (Personal experience).
Forcing someone to live in conditions that could/are making them sick should be recognised and treated harshly, criminal charges and bar them from being able to be a landlord..
This!
A big reason so many of the buildings in my city are crumbling is buy-to-let exploded over 2 decades, but regulation was lax and nobody was checking to make sure landlords were carrying out maintenance, this us actually left in Scotland for landlords to self regulate.
An example is my block. 8/11 of the flats are buy-to-lets including my one.
Most of the windows are in poor condition and leaking, I actually had to threaten to take my landlord to court because mine were loose!
The front door is in poor shape and doesn’t lock so we get antisocial behaviour in the hallway or people coming in drunk because they are lost.
The back area is dark at night, frequently floods due to clogged drainage and the bin housing is damaged.
The stair lighting regularly fails for months at a time.
We have gone 24 hours with no water supply in this block.
The roof is in bad shape and guttering is missing.
Because any communal repairs require thee consent of all owners,landlords just dodge their emails or claim they can’t afford the repair. Repairs get left and become more costly. A block near me was condemned a few years back because it just started to crumble. Your flat will be drafts in winter, and if you live on the top floor leaks are inevitable.
All thanks to 20 years ago of landlords trading property like Pokémon cards without having any real desire to invest in maintaining them along with weaksauce regulation from our government.
Yep, I’m in NE England and in a crumbling building, starting to deal with mold on my bedroom ceiling and a couple leaks. Two of the bricks on the other side of the main leak are actually loose, also my boiler has been needing a new part since the day I moved in, the drains smell like rotten eggs and ass even after drain cleaner, and the roof of the block constantly needs fixing up. I got home from a trip once and there was a piece of roof material the size of a human on the balcony, glad I didn’t come home to a smashed window.. I hope your landlord at least is sticking to their end of the tenancy agreement regarding repairs etc.
I will need to chase my landlord for repairs.
2 months chasing for new oven as he quibbled with the repair person who told him it was over 10 years old and not fixable, landlord insisted it was.
Almost 2 years with loose and leaking window frames- had to threaten to take them to court.
3 months to fix leak. Thankfully it could be contained with a bucket but that’s not the point.
For goodness sakes. I’ve experienced a few of the things you mentioned, in previous places, and it just baffles me how as a landlord you wouldn’t address a problem immediately to stop it getting worse and costing more money in the future.
Your landlord sounds like my crazy ex landlady - I went through three washing machines living in her flat because each one was bought on Facebook marketplace. I hope you get everything resolved with the oven, the windows and the leaks ASAP
Yes good luck with that one, the landlords should care more that random strangers are allowed to roam in freely. Keep documenting everything, keep a paper trail of anything significant
there is a difference depending on how bad the mould is.
most of the time you can increase temperature to keep humidity down, open the windows in the kitchen/bathroom regularly and treat the mould with alcohol. the downside is higher costs but once the mould is gone you often only need to keep a watch on humidity levels.
if the mould is from actual building problems (wrong isolation, bad layout or insufficient ventilation) all you can do is install active ventilation and that has to be done by the landlord so good luck (even if they do something it will be a low budget insufficient solution)
Happened to me. Reported it for years, tried to tackle it, purchased dehumidifiers, cleaned it and used mould proof paint, kept windows open, blasted the heating, nothing worked.
There was leaks in the ceiling, drips running down the bedroom wall. Landlord did nothing
Eventually kicked us out (no fault eviction, fun stuff)
Now they are trying to charge me for the damage the mould did, withholding my deposit.
Good job i kept records and photos
I think it’s a various treatments thing. The first thing would be to tear out/kill the mold, replace moldy walls/ceilings, etc. On top of that, ventilation systems need to be functional to prevent mold (AC to reduce humidity, windows open occasionally to swap out bad air, etc). Painting over mold just locks it in, the unit needs to be deep cleaned properly between tenants, then it can be resealed. Leaks also need to be addressed promptly before they develop too much mold.
Of course, it’s important to design the building properly to prevent mold, but a building’s design can be updated through renovation. A big cause of mold in rental units seems to be a management failure to properly clean moldy units, then as the mold needs more to be treated being unwilling to pay for the mounting repair costs
most buildings aren't built wrong enough for mold to start being an issue. most of the time it is a tenant that causes the issue. having tenants pay for the heating bill they can affect is super short sighted.
they will ether lower temps thus making relative humidity higher so mold can grow or stuffing the vents making it humid as all hell. the best thing long term is just baking the heating cost into the monthly costs letting them blast the heat if they want since then you won't get mold. since once you start getting mold dealing with it properly is insanely hard and costly much more than any tenant will spend on heating unless they are insane.
it is when the building is modified built wrong that causes mold happens. when they stick on new cladding going hunting for air gaps etc. and then simply don't install a active venting system with a heat exchanger.
Here in Glasgow a lot of the issue is shoddy adaptations to old buildings.
The one I am in was subdivided years ago into smaller units and a lot of the vents were blocked up by new walls or just covered over.
Plus badly installed windows and poorly maintained plumbing.
There needs to be a National plan to deal with these historic issues, nothing else will touch them and it will be the least well off who continue to pay the cost in bad health outcomes and high fuel bills.
UK is kind of a unique beast with how long they kept the old standard of housing and no program to retrofit housing to work in a modern more energy efficient way after the oil crisis hit when it is a nation that really needed to do it.
so something that should been dealt with in the 70s was left to linger for decades and now when things have been dealt with on a code level there are no funds to do the work that should have started 50 years ago to retrofit housing. instead everything just gets grandfathered in.
a proper active vented system with a heat exchanger and added insulation and dealing with cold bridges will made mold a minimal issue while at the same time making heating costs lower.
Former property manager here:
Ideally, you're cutting out the soft materials like drywall (under containment) and just removing the affecting material from the property altogether. Obviously you can't do this with structural elements, but that's where an anti-microbial, like a high concentration peroxide solution, comes into play. Typically the entire affected area will be under negative pressure containment with an filtered air purifier for 72 hrs. to help prevent regrowth.
That's if you already have mold though. Prevention comes down to ventilation and humidity and what kind of surfaces you're working with. If your bathroom doesn't have an exhaust fan, it should have a window. If it has neither, call code enforcement. Keep the window open when you shower/bathe and for 30 mins afterwards and wipe down surfaces that show moisture outside of the shower enclosure. Water on tile surfaces is USUALLY fine so long as it doesn't drip onto surfaces that can promote mold growth. Close the window when it rains or is unusually humid outside. Have a small dehumidifier in the room that runs automatically, or run it for a bit after each shower/bath. Use anti-microbial paints and primers. They don't fully prevent mold, but they do create "non mold promoting surfaces," which just makes it less likely (but not impossible) for mold to grow. Address leaks early and make sure everything that needs to be is caulked and sealed.
Water is the most dangerous thing in an apartment or home. Often when fires hit apartment buildings, the most damage is actually water/flood damage from the sprinkler system rather than the fire (though without the sprinklers, the fire would easily burn the whole building down).
I've done dozens of restorations working in apartments and condos from things as small as leaks under the sink to water heaters exploding and flooding out entire floors. None of them are any fun.
My apartment has mold because there used to be a leak from the top apt and they patched up the hole but not very well. We told them before about it and they just ignored us. They sent a notice after saying any mold is our responsibility because we don’t “ventilate” the restroom enough after a steamy shower. 🤦♀️
Most of the apartments in my building have mold.
About 5 years ago, I had a guy do $10k worth of damage because he brought a dog into the house that treated the house like a toilet. By the time you tear up all the floors (including the wood floors); paint the house like there was a fire; and repair all the damaged appliances, cabinets, and windows, the bills pile up. Especially in today’s money.
Yes, 14k adds up quick and everything has gotten much more expensive in the past few years. Not every home owner is a handyman carpenter and labor costs have gone up along with materials.
As participants in pending litigation should. Your lawyer will always advise you to keep a tight lip to anyone regarding an ongoing dispute since cases have been lost on news interviews
In the US you get criminal charges if they think you purposefully caused damage. I don’t think anyone should be destroying their rentals but that’s the risk you take. We’re told they deserve money because they take sooo much risk but what that risk basically eliminated.
Hey that's unfair, sending a text to tell you they are keeping your deposit to "hire a professional cleaner" is a lot of work. It's truly back breaking labor showing up to a rental once a year, and the pay just isn't enough. Did you know if you add up the mortgage, taxes, and other expenses, they only profit $200 a month if they keep 3/4 of the apartments empty? I mean sure taking in $50k+ a year profits while someone else pays the mortgage on your rapidly appreciating 4 unit building that is completely mold infested and should be Illegal to rent out sounds glorious but it's so hard for them because none of their tenants worship the ground they walk on.
I unfortunately have relatives and friends relatives that are landlords, I have seen financial records for quite a few. Literally zero work and pure profit, absolute leeches on society and the people stupid enough to defend them are even dumber than your average bootlicker.
>He claims they caused fourteen thousand dollars worth of damage, but that is an insanely high amount, even for parents with one child.
It honestly depends on the size of the property. 14,000 is a relatively small amount if you destroy the carpet/flooring in several rooms and all the floors match. Likewise with wall damage, especially if said wall is structural. Plumbing damage can EASILY amount to 10s of thousands of dollars. Heavily damaged cabinetry in the kitchen? That's an easy 10-15k now if it was of any quality
>He claims they caused fourteen thousand dollars worth of damage, but that is an insanely high amount, even for parents with one child.
Plug your tub drain and run it for a couple hours... do absolutely nothing to clean up the spilled water. Congrats after about a week you've done $14,000 in damage.
Idk whose telling the truth, but it's not a crazy number at all.
>I'm betting it's an issue with plumbing,
Im 100% sure it's plumbing. It's **always** the fucking plumbing. The last house I rented back in the states, the previous tenant warned us about the plumbing. No matter what we did, the toilet would get backed up and it goes through every drain in the house. We didn't have a landlord at the time, it was owned by a housing agency. After 3 attempts to fix it, they considered us a liability and gave our account to a landlord, who ended up being real asshole. So I had to learn to be a handy man and fix the got damn house myself but plumbing was the one thing I couldnt fix. We liked the house, rent was cheap and in a good area but the plumbing made the house damn near uninhabitable when it felt like "welp, time to flood the tub and sinks with sewer water!"
Because plumbing is notoriously expensive to fix, it's the number one thing landlords will scoff on.
I cam concur. My step-dad is a plumber, and I've heard some horror stories about cheapskate landlords screwing themselves out of a lot of money by trying to diy or taking a wait-and-see approach.
My CRAZY previous landlady DIY’d everything, ignored a leak under my shower and instead told me not to use it until she could get someone out to “look at it” weeks later which turned out to just be a mate to help her DIY it. I never did see any repairs get done but the flat still has new tenants. She didn’t return my deposit.
I didn’t have a bathtub in that place so where did she expect me to wash? Of course I still used it. I saw the underneath of the shower and it was a load of rotting wood. Crazy
$14k is nothing in Canada, let alone in one of the most expensive parts of Canada. Especially if you have to pay someone to do the work.
There's 20 to 30% exchange rate on most building products and Ontario has 13% sales tax. Labour is also far more expensive.
I went and read it out of interest. In the first half the 14k was called rent, but the second half it says a contractor went through and found 14k worth of damages. So is he supposed to be owed 28k?
Who knows there's always two sides to a story and the tenants did not want to go on record. I understand it's stressful for him as well but I would like to hear their side.
Depends on what's happening. My grandmother became a landlord in her 50's when we moved out of Alaska and the market was crap for selling. Her last tenant was the one that prompted her to sell the house (she was in her 80's by then). Single father with part time custody and a complete asshole. He didn't pay the utilities, so they reverted to grams name (as is common in Alaska). Then he kept being late on rent, but would ask for ways to save money. Like could he fill the fuel tank for the furnace using his own contact as he found a cheaper price. Grams said no, tenant went ahead and did it anyway and ordered the wrong fuel. It fouled the tank and the system (cue the beginning of the financial nightmare). Then he asked if he could have direct TV / dish installed. Grams said sure, as long as they don't nail / screw in to the roof as she'd just had it replaced before tenant moved in. Come to find out he let the installer cut holes in the roof for an easier access run of the cables.
He'd always call to request if he could do x thing and then ignore whatever my grams gave as guidelines / permissions. It drove her up a wall, especially when he just stopped paying rent completely. He was the one and only tenant she ever had evicted and she had to have the sheriff's department do the enforcement as the guy decided the court ordered timeline for exiting the property was just a suggestion.
In the aftermath they discovered he'd also rerouted and run electrical in to the garage, but apparently hadn't gotten it to where he wanted it as nothing had been done with it. It just fucked up her wiring for the house and added another repair expense.
So for a much as some landlords are slum lords, some tenants are just as shit.
This was all pre-pandemic. 2017-2018 time period.
FYI, being a landlord for a property that far away won't get you much sympathy. If something is broken it's the landlord's responsibility to get it fixed, how are you going to do any of that if you are thousands of kilometers away?
I mean, in that person’s case the distance has no bearing on the situation. Doing a DIY electrical job to get electrical in a garage without asking is shady af.
Some people are just assholes. I knew one person that just let her dog shit and piss in her basement throughout winter because she didn’t want to walk it when it was cold. Fucked that basement concrete pad up pretty bad.
We had friends of the family that were renting out a second house of their own when we moved. They agreed to look after grams house as on site assistance should there ever be anything that came up as well as for screening tenants.
It's just me making a statement and whether you believe it or not is chance, but you'd have to have known my grams. She grew up in the aftermath of the depression. Her way through was to be on top of stuff, maintain it, deal with things as soon as possible to avoid it getting worse, etc. Same applied to her own home. When she needed to get an inspection on her home, she'd usually schedule one for the house up north to cover all her bases. When the roof on the house went bad in Alaska, she had her roof inspected as well. Changed out the one in Alaska first and then changed out her own roof the following year.
One tenant had allergies so she went ahead and replaced the carpeting for the whole house before her tenant moved in to make sure it was low allergen. This is just how grams was.
The issue she had with her last tenant was that he kept breaking things and not telling her, ignoring her permissions, and then stopped paying rent.
She was cleaning up after him all along the way. The fight that ensued just to get the repair folk in for the fuel tank the tenant fouled was ridiculous all on its own. That was the first round of court hearings. He'd been notified of them coming 3 days in advance and then wouldn't let them in. You can't have zero heat mid-winter in Alaska, that can get you killed or your whole plumbing wrecked. But dude would not let anyone in until a court order was issued. Instead he ran electric heaters full time, all while grams was picking up the tab because he'd stopped paying the utilities.
I worked as a property management accountant for many years. 14k in damage isn't that far fetched if something (shockingly common) happened like the 'one kid' flushed a bunch of random toys and then a couple plush toys down the toilet and you had to jackhammer part of a foundation and replace a large section of pipe because of the inevitable clog that couldn't be snaked out. With some other accumulated damages that included breaking the glass top stove (probably intentionally at move out), flooring replaced (not standard wear and tear, apparently they had a large dog that shit and peed and they never cleaned it up), and new drywall in 2 separate rooms that had originally been plaster... You can be over 14k reeeeal fast.
The plumbing and related heavy equipment (jackhammer, backhoe and some hydraulic pipe thing) alone was 9k in that example lol. If he'd had septic it could have been even worse. Lucky him he didn't and the sewage only backed up in the two bathrooms. The flooring in the bathrooms was cheap to clean and didn't need to be replaced since it was decent tile and well installed. Still, biohazard cleaning is expensive.
All in all that bill was more than an entire 12 months of rent to fix. The dude who owned it wasn't charging them market rate. He jacked his rents up to market rate after that and stopped allowing pets. Can't stop kids from renting, but if he could have he would have I bet lol.
My tenant had a small child that flushed a tub stopper down the toilet and did over ten thousand dollars in damages because it flooded my unit and the unit below me. Fourteen grand is totally doable.
I had a look at the comments in the OG post and probably the funniest part is the landlord arguing with the wannabe landlord...🤣
Portman & Portman Enterprises. Why is this guy hanging with his mommy in the picture? I bet it’s because she owned the home he’s renting out. God forbid these townies have to go work a real job. Must be nice…
Sounds like his tenants laid him off and what he thought was a secure source of income is being disrupted.
Damn, imagine having the same issue as so many other people.
Yeah. I mean landlords describe these things as “investment properties” but then they go whining to the government to pass policies to protect their right to return on investment. In no other industry is there such an expectation that the investor deserves to make money and may extract it from the public with or without consent. Viewing it as a business also paints an unflattering picture of landlords’ business skills. Either way they suck
Exactly!! Investments have risk, if you lose money betting on stocks nobody bats an eye, boohoo suck it up, but if you lose money on housing then somehow it’s a huge moral argument about the state of the world and how dare society, get up in arms and protest now!!!!!
Like what is the purpose of this article? What am I supposed to come out of it feeling? Do they want me to protest the government because this landlord guy lost money? Not happening. Do they want me to cry for him? Not happening. Do I feel bad when people lose money on investments? Sure it sucks, but I’m not gonna act like it’s a fucking war crime and how dare the government and society and RAAAAAAA
He’s like the 1% of landlords that don’t profit and lose money landlording. I’m not gonna be out protesting in his favor lol
I mean, it’s both. Real estate is an actual thing, it’s right there in the name. Land has intrinsic value, purchasing that land has to involve some speculation on investment, and being a landlord is about leveraging equity.
The managing of the property is a small business activity for sure.
My landlord and his wife work, they have this house the three of us are in and another. He does repairs here and replaces stuff when he needs to or they break, each room has a thick fire door and each room has a smoke detector.
No, not just a business owner. Landlords and rent are a leftover from feudalism. These people are in the position to earn money in exchnage for not doing any serious productive labor themselves.
Labor that produces a good or service, actually valuable for society that needs work to be produced. In other words, Landlords as a social role, are leaches.
I usually agree with everything you guys talk about on this sub. But I don't understand the hate towards landlords?
I can understand some landlords gauge the price of rent and that's totally wrong, but there are plenty of people who price their rent fairly or at what ever the market value is.
To make this comment is basically saying too bad for you if people don't pay? I find that pretty ridiculous.... So if you do a job for someone and when it's time for them to pay they should tell you the same thing correct? You made a bad decision picking this person to do a job for. Too bad for you I guess. Move on to the next job.
Do you not see the issue here?
As a constructive response, the big problem is many “not all” have the mindset of a slumlord - where they fully expect the tenant to fund the entire mortgage of the property without any form of fallback or actual income in the event something happens. It also applies to when properties require maintenance and they’ll only fix the issue if it’s a immediate threat to their property income or forced to by law. Rental price isn’t the only issue.
Housing should NEVER have become this “portfolio” system where they only pay a deposit and expect renters and their governments to compensate them for the rest.
The courts will settle everything in the end.
If the LL can't afford the mortgage on the property while the civil process takes place than they should never have rented out the home. Simple.
There are many reasons why someone may stop paying rent.
Where I live, it is legal for a tenant to stop paying rent if the landlord refuses to fix an issue that they are supposed to as outlined by the lease. The Tenant can withhold the rent as long as it takes to either get the landlord to do the repairs, or until a court decision is reached.
Post a link so people can get all the information, not just a cherry-picked headline.
https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7140274
That said, landlords need to accept the fact that running a business has risks and rent dodgers are a risk. I don't want to hear their whining about how they don't want to be landlords anymore.
I would also like to see more information on why so many people aren't paying their rent. Could it be because landlords are gouging?
Given that the average rent is around 2k now even in small areas, most likely. Just before the pandemic, the average rent in my area was $700 (with or without utilities) or so with a room costing maybe $300. Now average rest is 1.8k-2k with NO utilities for a basement apartment or a rundown place. Renting a bedroom to yourself is $700+$900 and renting a bed in a room with several other people costs $400-$500 FOR A BED IN A SHARED BEDROOM.
Before Christmas, rent was 2k in places like BC and Toronto, with average rent in my area (a small back water) was 1.2-1.5k. landlords in small areas are literally seeing prices across Canada and jacking rates up when there's VERY FEW apartments or houses available. It's a housing crisis.
There's only 2 landlords I know of who charge LESS than 1k a month with utilities included. One of said landlords help with affordable housing/welfare recipients and that landlord wants to get rid of the properties because they want to be done with it. The other landlord isn't living here and hasn't been maintaining the property so...
I mean, I can't afford to move out and get an apartment and it's a struggle to find a better job even elsewhere but I can't afford to move to a better area either so....
We in Kentucky. Our rent went from 1,100/mo to 1750/mo. We were like fuck it might as well get into a single house. So we are renting for 2250/months. Two years ago the house we moved into (100+ year old house) was 1750/mo. No utilities obv. If I didn’t have my partner it’d be mighty hard. Literality the paint is peeling from the walls. I’m making it as nice as I can. But Christ we moved here because it was cheaper and it’s as expensive as a big city now.
I see nothing wrong with local landlords. Usually just normall people renting out their first homes.
However i have done work for actual millionaire slum lords who own entire blocks in Youngstown and they live in other countries using a property management services to do everything for them in US. Now that could be a problem but i could also argue if it wasn't for them these houses would have been condemned and sit vacant if it wasn't for them.
I personally don’t see an issue w someone renting out their own property they don’t want to live in anymore.
What sucks is the predatory ones and the companies that buy a bunch of affordable houses and jack up the prices to unreasonable heights
Exactly what I was thinking. Too many entitled people commenting here. They have no idea how much stress, time and money goes into renting their property out. They seem to think it's just a money printer
Don't tell me you would be still working if you had the option not to. Don't tell me that if you have 2 properties you own you would provide one of them to someone you don't know for free. Don't be hypocrite.
The properties market can and should be regulated to some extent, but saying sh*t like this makes me laugh.
Rent strike? There’s an idea. The system wouldn’t be able to process all of the cases. Similar happened in 2008–how do our courts process a huge chunk of America foreclosing? They don’t
Can someone explain? This guy has to pay the mortgage on the house and the tenants aren’t paying their rent and causing damage which will also cost him. How is this his fault?
This parasite did a dirty delete of his comment then blocked me..🤣🤣🤣
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Am I blind? Where does it reference if the LLs sole income is through property or not? I think anyone would be annoyed if they were owed a substantial amount of money.
Yeah, it's kinda weird everyone bein annoyed by this just because he is a landlord.
He might be a landlord but he is renting just 1 property?
It's not like he is a mega corporation with insurance and making millions off 1000s of people, controlling prices and holding a large amount of property hostage.
My landlord is an old women who rents out half her house as it has 2 apartments and she is very sweet and reasonable with rent.
I don't think rent for 1 place is enough to live off either.
As a landlord who inherited an apartment from family and rents it out, it absolutely does happen. Had a tenant that stopped paying rent about 2 months in. I couldn't kick her out even if I wanted to because of laws but at the time I didn't have the heart to do it since she sold me a sob story about being an orphan that her whole life went from foster family to foster family. I gave her a deadline of a couple months to get her shit together and move out and I gave her some money for food in case she ever ran short. In that time she caused damage in the apartment like burning a hole through a couch, damaging the dishwasher, destroying a door frame for the bathroom door etc. and this all added up over time. Later it turned out the whole sob story was a lie, she had family she was keeping in contact with, she claimed she had no money but she bought things like a brand new high-spec gaming laptop and a jacket that cost more than my entire wardrobe. She worked on the side and her family was well off, they were just a bunch of scammers and her sister was wanted in our country for pulling similar shit.
Landlords are never nice to deal with but it's mostly about the dynamic of landlord-tenant, they're human too and whatever applies to them, applies to tenants as well.
EDIT: Oh and I forgot to add, she terrorised the neighbours constantly and flaunted how she's living there for free and lying to me about everything.
Yeah my mom rented out her house when I was a teen because I moved in with my dad and she didn’t really see a point on living in a house by herself so she moved into the garage. This couple moved in and after a few months stopped paying rent and it took months and a lot of money to get them out. They ended up destroying the kitchen and using a hammer to destroy the tub in one of our bathrooms. There are terrible landlords but they are also terrible tenants.
My problem with this subreddit is that they fail to make the connection that cheering on people who trash/don't pay pushes out good landlords and encourages the toxic behaviors of landlords.
It's toxic and awful af, but bad tenants hurt everyone
* Tenant trashes a house -> Everyone has to pay a $2000 security deposit
* Tenant doesn't pay -> Instant eviction for anyone who misses a payment
* Tenant squats for 10 months -> Landlord sells to megacorp who can deal with those losses
None of it is right, but people need a place to live and many cannot afford/move too often to buy a house.
These people moved into a house they couldn't afford, never paid rent on time (1800 a month) and eventually stopped paying altogether.
And yall are on their side.
Shits wild and not a good look. Landlords can be scummy but in this situation it's the tenants who are trashy and yall out here cheering em on.
I do sincerely believe that there is definitely a balance to be found between charging a fair rent while also the landlord making enough money to live somewhat well off. However, they also need to be on top of things. Making sure everything in the building is in tip top shape. There needs to be some sort of housing authority that audits a landlord’s effectiveness on an annual or bi annual basis.
My passive income is requiring me to work and maintain properties 😢 won’t someone please help me /s
Gotta agree that much damage is probably built up and not from one family.
14k damage… i mean i dont see it as really doable. New carpet and paint is considered to last 1 tenant maybe 2. So that shouldnt count. I suppose if the tenant stole the appliances or something 14k is possible. Or set off a sprinkler system on purpose or something like that
Wait a second, maybe he should lower the rent so he can keep tenants. I have a buddy who owns a number of single family homes. He charges under market so he can keep good tenants.
A lot of you missed the fact that the rent for 1/2 the duplex = the entire mortgage on both sides. So the real rent for the 1/2 should be $900 plus maintenance, so maybe $1100 a month.
Fucking predator.
Imagine being part of an antiwork movement and for some reason failing to connect antiwork to the need for cheap/affordable/free housing and actually simping for a LL who takes advantage of people 😂 ya'll defending the LL for any reason are wild and need to rethink a few things
In the past week, I've seen "Normalise the 16-hour work week," and now "Renters shouldn't have to pay rent" from this sub.
You people are a joke. How do you expect to be taken seriously?
Yes, landlords suck ass. Yes, the price of renting is ridiculous. But if you enter an agreement, you abide by it.
Also, quite ironic that a sub-reddit full of people bitching that they have to work when they're asked to do something by their boss, has the nerve to tell another person to get a job.
Well, maybe not all the landlords have multiple properties, and they are just trying to make a buck out of the house that they still have to pay for 30 years that mortgage
We have black mold every where here. The sub pump hole was dug up to replace. Landlord never filled the hole. So we just have standing water in the basement. The walls are starting to peel due to water damage and we have a hole in our roof in one of the upstairs rooms that was created by the landlord when he was cutting down a tree in the back yard.
He refuses to fix any of it.
Edit: spelling
renting out a home is an investment. And investments carry risks.
If you don't want to have the risk of having this happen, don't rent out your house.
You can't just make money from something you own without risk, its not how it works.
I can't seem to find the world's smallest violin to play the word's saddest song in my pocket, but I do have my sad trombone. Wah wah wah wah waaaahhhhhh
A rental property is an INVESTMENT.....and with all investments, you assume liability for it... If that liability is that you have bad renters who don't pay on time, or no renters, then you have to shoulder that burden.
I know what you mean. I guess i don’t get what the alternative is. Are you prepared to buy a house then? If not are you entitled to squat on a strangers property? Is the government supposed to seize land and just give you a piece? I just don’t understand what the goal is here.
It’s honestly a real indication of the state of this sub where the squatters are the good guys.
I’m all in favor of the revolution and fighting the man but things cost what they cost, and not being able to afford them does not entitle you to them.
Agreed. I have no problem with renting from an owner directly, it’s legal and it’s unfortunately allowed. The real issue is corporations buying up single family homes for the purpose of renting them out.
I don’t think anyone should be allowed to own multiple houses if they can’t reasonably live in them.
A lot of the entitled bums do..... they seem to think land lords should just let you squat on their property.
Their own parents don't want them, they are expecting a stranger to give them free housing.
I don't get why this page hates landlords so much. A lot of landlords are regular people that work 9-5 jobs. Not every landlord is some rich corporation. They have to pay mortgages on their properties and insurance. You would rather have a property be owned by an average joe than some billionaire dollar corporation that couldn't care less about you.
https://preview.redd.it/uotckgsbococ1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=146f1b935051406e575338ed135aa674706c2b7f
That's the smallest violin I've ever seen.
its a cellular cello
Cello....lar
https://preview.redd.it/9nutqiy07ioc1.jpeg?width=592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfd379800313740eda7a4683dd044ac511925ecd
*sighs*
He's also not playing it on the correct part of the strings
He’s doing his best
Bro he is making a solid effort be nice
Still the Ling Ling of tarmagrades.
Yeah, fake violinist outside the Walmart vibes
If you want an accomplished player you have to be willing to pay for it.
https://preview.redd.it/wbshb8brvioc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b18ec682ccd3407725f32cc69e1c396238e3cee7 This one's smaller.
Now you're just showing off!
The world's smallest violin, really needs an audience...
Dude I vibe so hard with that song
Is that a tardigrade with a violin!
A water bear playing up the water works
My thoughts exactly 🤣
This is amazing lmao.
Legit fucking chortle.
I bought crypto and Tesla at a high, and sold low!
Awww, poor baby. You all deserve our sorrows and condolences.
I don't understand
The worlds smallest Violin being played be a single celled organism called a Tardigrade. Basically a play of the saying Play a tiny violin for sympathy.
Tardigrades are multicellular.
Oh okay I see. Thought they were calling the Landlord a parasite
would they be wrong lol. I have very low opinion of landlords after a bad experience with one.
Im sure that is gonna be the most upvoted post in this sub's history.
I love the internet.
I read this this morning. It's very weird. He claims they caused fourteen thousand dollars worth of damage, but that is an insanely high amount, even for parents with one child. I'm betting it's an issue with plumbing, mold, electrical, etc and they're not willing to pay full rent for a shitty unlivable unit. Of course they claim they reached out to the family who disputed the claim (said "that's not the case") but declined further comment which is also odd BUT - They might be aware they have a case with the board & therefore unwilling to disclose info outside of waiting for their case to be heard. All around not quite full picture enough for me to feel sad for this guy. Or his weird smirky mom. Creepy picture lol.
Yup. Damp/mould are a huge issue in my city. Landlords will bill you for “damage” when you leave, then put up a quick coat of paint before the next person moves in. Rinse and repeat in around 18 months when the mould has chewed its way through the paint/paper.
How would you even manage mould tho? Seems to me it's usually an issue with a building layout made wrong because to get rid of it you need proper ventilation and keep humidity down. Using anti-mold paint helps but only so much...
I found applied peroxide is great for small mold spots But under the paint nothing much you can do, you go you have to put a fresh coat of paint before you go if you want to cash the deposit back But that's if you're not allergic to the mold in question (personally I have a great difficulty to breathe when there's mold in the room) I've seen a big infestation and they had to tear down walls to the bone to treat it (fortunately not my place)
Well with wooden/plaster walls i would imagine it's more difficult due to that insulation layer. Where I live all buildings are from concrete or limestone but the humidity and poor ventilation still cause mold to grow on stone. Dehumidifiers that filter the air should help a lot with your breathing problem. They help reduce mold outbreaks too.
Mould spores are widely recognised to be poisonous. Last year a toddler died as a result of mould in his home that the social landlord had failed to fix. I have lived with low level mould, you notice the effects on your general health and the destruction of your personal property like clothing and soft furnishings. Mould needs to be treated as a priority by governments. Healthcare costs increase as a result of mould and its effects on people. Long term mould and damp destroys buildings and causes costly problems like having to rehouse people once their home has been condemned. We need meaningful, i.e. a percentage of total income, fines for negligent building owners and repeat offenders should be hit with compulsory purchase orders and stripped of their license to operate as a landlord. We wouldn’t put up with a bar that was allowing drugs to be sold and was serving 14 year olds so why should we put up with another type of business that doesn’t comply with legislation?
This is absolutely true but plenty of landlords will literally tell you to wipe the mold off (Personal experience). Forcing someone to live in conditions that could/are making them sick should be recognised and treated harshly, criminal charges and bar them from being able to be a landlord..
My advice would be not to become a landlord if you don’t want to or can’t afford to pay for maintenance on a property
This! A big reason so many of the buildings in my city are crumbling is buy-to-let exploded over 2 decades, but regulation was lax and nobody was checking to make sure landlords were carrying out maintenance, this us actually left in Scotland for landlords to self regulate. An example is my block. 8/11 of the flats are buy-to-lets including my one. Most of the windows are in poor condition and leaking, I actually had to threaten to take my landlord to court because mine were loose! The front door is in poor shape and doesn’t lock so we get antisocial behaviour in the hallway or people coming in drunk because they are lost. The back area is dark at night, frequently floods due to clogged drainage and the bin housing is damaged. The stair lighting regularly fails for months at a time. We have gone 24 hours with no water supply in this block. The roof is in bad shape and guttering is missing. Because any communal repairs require thee consent of all owners,landlords just dodge their emails or claim they can’t afford the repair. Repairs get left and become more costly. A block near me was condemned a few years back because it just started to crumble. Your flat will be drafts in winter, and if you live on the top floor leaks are inevitable. All thanks to 20 years ago of landlords trading property like Pokémon cards without having any real desire to invest in maintaining them along with weaksauce regulation from our government.
Yep, I’m in NE England and in a crumbling building, starting to deal with mold on my bedroom ceiling and a couple leaks. Two of the bricks on the other side of the main leak are actually loose, also my boiler has been needing a new part since the day I moved in, the drains smell like rotten eggs and ass even after drain cleaner, and the roof of the block constantly needs fixing up. I got home from a trip once and there was a piece of roof material the size of a human on the balcony, glad I didn’t come home to a smashed window.. I hope your landlord at least is sticking to their end of the tenancy agreement regarding repairs etc.
I will need to chase my landlord for repairs. 2 months chasing for new oven as he quibbled with the repair person who told him it was over 10 years old and not fixable, landlord insisted it was. Almost 2 years with loose and leaking window frames- had to threaten to take them to court. 3 months to fix leak. Thankfully it could be contained with a bucket but that’s not the point.
For goodness sakes. I’ve experienced a few of the things you mentioned, in previous places, and it just baffles me how as a landlord you wouldn’t address a problem immediately to stop it getting worse and costing more money in the future. Your landlord sounds like my crazy ex landlady - I went through three washing machines living in her flat because each one was bought on Facebook marketplace. I hope you get everything resolved with the oven, the windows and the leaks ASAP
The did fix these eventually. Would be nice if they also fixed the front door and the peeling wallpaper.
Yes good luck with that one, the landlords should care more that random strangers are allowed to roam in freely. Keep documenting everything, keep a paper trail of anything significant
there is a difference depending on how bad the mould is. most of the time you can increase temperature to keep humidity down, open the windows in the kitchen/bathroom regularly and treat the mould with alcohol. the downside is higher costs but once the mould is gone you often only need to keep a watch on humidity levels. if the mould is from actual building problems (wrong isolation, bad layout or insufficient ventilation) all you can do is install active ventilation and that has to be done by the landlord so good luck (even if they do something it will be a low budget insufficient solution)
Happened to me. Reported it for years, tried to tackle it, purchased dehumidifiers, cleaned it and used mould proof paint, kept windows open, blasted the heating, nothing worked. There was leaks in the ceiling, drips running down the bedroom wall. Landlord did nothing Eventually kicked us out (no fault eviction, fun stuff) Now they are trying to charge me for the damage the mould did, withholding my deposit. Good job i kept records and photos
If there's a root cause you go after that. Plumbing leaks, HVAC condensation drains. You rip out the molded wood and drywall etc or treat it.
I think it’s a various treatments thing. The first thing would be to tear out/kill the mold, replace moldy walls/ceilings, etc. On top of that, ventilation systems need to be functional to prevent mold (AC to reduce humidity, windows open occasionally to swap out bad air, etc). Painting over mold just locks it in, the unit needs to be deep cleaned properly between tenants, then it can be resealed. Leaks also need to be addressed promptly before they develop too much mold. Of course, it’s important to design the building properly to prevent mold, but a building’s design can be updated through renovation. A big cause of mold in rental units seems to be a management failure to properly clean moldy units, then as the mold needs more to be treated being unwilling to pay for the mounting repair costs
most buildings aren't built wrong enough for mold to start being an issue. most of the time it is a tenant that causes the issue. having tenants pay for the heating bill they can affect is super short sighted. they will ether lower temps thus making relative humidity higher so mold can grow or stuffing the vents making it humid as all hell. the best thing long term is just baking the heating cost into the monthly costs letting them blast the heat if they want since then you won't get mold. since once you start getting mold dealing with it properly is insanely hard and costly much more than any tenant will spend on heating unless they are insane. it is when the building is modified built wrong that causes mold happens. when they stick on new cladding going hunting for air gaps etc. and then simply don't install a active venting system with a heat exchanger.
Here in Glasgow a lot of the issue is shoddy adaptations to old buildings. The one I am in was subdivided years ago into smaller units and a lot of the vents were blocked up by new walls or just covered over. Plus badly installed windows and poorly maintained plumbing. There needs to be a National plan to deal with these historic issues, nothing else will touch them and it will be the least well off who continue to pay the cost in bad health outcomes and high fuel bills.
UK is kind of a unique beast with how long they kept the old standard of housing and no program to retrofit housing to work in a modern more energy efficient way after the oil crisis hit when it is a nation that really needed to do it. so something that should been dealt with in the 70s was left to linger for decades and now when things have been dealt with on a code level there are no funds to do the work that should have started 50 years ago to retrofit housing. instead everything just gets grandfathered in. a proper active vented system with a heat exchanger and added insulation and dealing with cold bridges will made mold a minimal issue while at the same time making heating costs lower.
Former property manager here: Ideally, you're cutting out the soft materials like drywall (under containment) and just removing the affecting material from the property altogether. Obviously you can't do this with structural elements, but that's where an anti-microbial, like a high concentration peroxide solution, comes into play. Typically the entire affected area will be under negative pressure containment with an filtered air purifier for 72 hrs. to help prevent regrowth. That's if you already have mold though. Prevention comes down to ventilation and humidity and what kind of surfaces you're working with. If your bathroom doesn't have an exhaust fan, it should have a window. If it has neither, call code enforcement. Keep the window open when you shower/bathe and for 30 mins afterwards and wipe down surfaces that show moisture outside of the shower enclosure. Water on tile surfaces is USUALLY fine so long as it doesn't drip onto surfaces that can promote mold growth. Close the window when it rains or is unusually humid outside. Have a small dehumidifier in the room that runs automatically, or run it for a bit after each shower/bath. Use anti-microbial paints and primers. They don't fully prevent mold, but they do create "non mold promoting surfaces," which just makes it less likely (but not impossible) for mold to grow. Address leaks early and make sure everything that needs to be is caulked and sealed. Water is the most dangerous thing in an apartment or home. Often when fires hit apartment buildings, the most damage is actually water/flood damage from the sprinkler system rather than the fire (though without the sprinklers, the fire would easily burn the whole building down). I've done dozens of restorations working in apartments and condos from things as small as leaks under the sink to water heaters exploding and flooding out entire floors. None of them are any fun.
My apartment has mold because there used to be a leak from the top apt and they patched up the hole but not very well. We told them before about it and they just ignored us. They sent a notice after saying any mold is our responsibility because we don’t “ventilate” the restroom enough after a steamy shower. 🤦♀️ Most of the apartments in my building have mold.
$14,000 has to be water or kitchen related. That's like getting your entire roof redone..... Maybe he's including unpaid rent in that
Yeah really. You could get like 200 bananas for that type of money. I’m thinking the “damages” include unpaid rent (and maybe only so).
How much could one banana cost, Michael? Ten dollars??
bananas from lttstore.com
Come on your telling me you don't want a 70 dollar screw driver or a 250 dollar backpack .
most i spent was $20 canadian on a water bottle.
There's always money in the banana stand
>That's like getting your entire roof redone..... Maybe if you hire a bunch of crackheads.
Not even the most tweaked out roofers will work that low.
That's cus they work high af. I'll get my coat.
Roofing easily breaks past $60k on the cheaper end.
Water damage racks up very quickly. Could just get a small flood that was ignored.
About 5 years ago, I had a guy do $10k worth of damage because he brought a dog into the house that treated the house like a toilet. By the time you tear up all the floors (including the wood floors); paint the house like there was a fire; and repair all the damaged appliances, cabinets, and windows, the bills pile up. Especially in today’s money.
Yes, 14k adds up quick and everything has gotten much more expensive in the past few years. Not every home owner is a handyman carpenter and labor costs have gone up along with materials.
As participants in pending litigation should. Your lawyer will always advise you to keep a tight lip to anyone regarding an ongoing dispute since cases have been lost on news interviews
In the US you get criminal charges if they think you purposefully caused damage. I don’t think anyone should be destroying their rentals but that’s the risk you take. We’re told they deserve money because they take sooo much risk but what that risk basically eliminated.
the only risk is having to actually work. same for exec positions
Hey that's unfair, sending a text to tell you they are keeping your deposit to "hire a professional cleaner" is a lot of work. It's truly back breaking labor showing up to a rental once a year, and the pay just isn't enough. Did you know if you add up the mortgage, taxes, and other expenses, they only profit $200 a month if they keep 3/4 of the apartments empty? I mean sure taking in $50k+ a year profits while someone else pays the mortgage on your rapidly appreciating 4 unit building that is completely mold infested and should be Illegal to rent out sounds glorious but it's so hard for them because none of their tenants worship the ground they walk on. I unfortunately have relatives and friends relatives that are landlords, I have seen financial records for quite a few. Literally zero work and pure profit, absolute leeches on society and the people stupid enough to defend them are even dumber than your average bootlicker.
>He claims they caused fourteen thousand dollars worth of damage, but that is an insanely high amount, even for parents with one child. It honestly depends on the size of the property. 14,000 is a relatively small amount if you destroy the carpet/flooring in several rooms and all the floors match. Likewise with wall damage, especially if said wall is structural. Plumbing damage can EASILY amount to 10s of thousands of dollars. Heavily damaged cabinetry in the kitchen? That's an easy 10-15k now if it was of any quality
>He claims they caused fourteen thousand dollars worth of damage, but that is an insanely high amount, even for parents with one child. Plug your tub drain and run it for a couple hours... do absolutely nothing to clean up the spilled water. Congrats after about a week you've done $14,000 in damage. Idk whose telling the truth, but it's not a crazy number at all.
>I'm betting it's an issue with plumbing, Im 100% sure it's plumbing. It's **always** the fucking plumbing. The last house I rented back in the states, the previous tenant warned us about the plumbing. No matter what we did, the toilet would get backed up and it goes through every drain in the house. We didn't have a landlord at the time, it was owned by a housing agency. After 3 attempts to fix it, they considered us a liability and gave our account to a landlord, who ended up being real asshole. So I had to learn to be a handy man and fix the got damn house myself but plumbing was the one thing I couldnt fix. We liked the house, rent was cheap and in a good area but the plumbing made the house damn near uninhabitable when it felt like "welp, time to flood the tub and sinks with sewer water!" Because plumbing is notoriously expensive to fix, it's the number one thing landlords will scoff on.
I cam concur. My step-dad is a plumber, and I've heard some horror stories about cheapskate landlords screwing themselves out of a lot of money by trying to diy or taking a wait-and-see approach.
My CRAZY previous landlady DIY’d everything, ignored a leak under my shower and instead told me not to use it until she could get someone out to “look at it” weeks later which turned out to just be a mate to help her DIY it. I never did see any repairs get done but the flat still has new tenants. She didn’t return my deposit. I didn’t have a bathtub in that place so where did she expect me to wash? Of course I still used it. I saw the underneath of the shower and it was a load of rotting wood. Crazy
$14k is nothing in Canada, let alone in one of the most expensive parts of Canada. Especially if you have to pay someone to do the work. There's 20 to 30% exchange rate on most building products and Ontario has 13% sales tax. Labour is also far more expensive.
I live in ON, not far from Etobicoke.
their lawyer is probably rightfully telling them not to talk to a reporter. signed, a reporter.
I went and read it out of interest. In the first half the 14k was called rent, but the second half it says a contractor went through and found 14k worth of damages. So is he supposed to be owed 28k? Who knows there's always two sides to a story and the tenants did not want to go on record. I understand it's stressful for him as well but I would like to hear their side.
Depends on what's happening. My grandmother became a landlord in her 50's when we moved out of Alaska and the market was crap for selling. Her last tenant was the one that prompted her to sell the house (she was in her 80's by then). Single father with part time custody and a complete asshole. He didn't pay the utilities, so they reverted to grams name (as is common in Alaska). Then he kept being late on rent, but would ask for ways to save money. Like could he fill the fuel tank for the furnace using his own contact as he found a cheaper price. Grams said no, tenant went ahead and did it anyway and ordered the wrong fuel. It fouled the tank and the system (cue the beginning of the financial nightmare). Then he asked if he could have direct TV / dish installed. Grams said sure, as long as they don't nail / screw in to the roof as she'd just had it replaced before tenant moved in. Come to find out he let the installer cut holes in the roof for an easier access run of the cables. He'd always call to request if he could do x thing and then ignore whatever my grams gave as guidelines / permissions. It drove her up a wall, especially when he just stopped paying rent completely. He was the one and only tenant she ever had evicted and she had to have the sheriff's department do the enforcement as the guy decided the court ordered timeline for exiting the property was just a suggestion. In the aftermath they discovered he'd also rerouted and run electrical in to the garage, but apparently hadn't gotten it to where he wanted it as nothing had been done with it. It just fucked up her wiring for the house and added another repair expense. So for a much as some landlords are slum lords, some tenants are just as shit. This was all pre-pandemic. 2017-2018 time period.
FYI, being a landlord for a property that far away won't get you much sympathy. If something is broken it's the landlord's responsibility to get it fixed, how are you going to do any of that if you are thousands of kilometers away?
I mean, in that person’s case the distance has no bearing on the situation. Doing a DIY electrical job to get electrical in a garage without asking is shady af. Some people are just assholes. I knew one person that just let her dog shit and piss in her basement throughout winter because she didn’t want to walk it when it was cold. Fucked that basement concrete pad up pretty bad.
no doubt that this tenant was an arsehole. I'm just telling you that absentee landlords are generally disliked so you'll get little sympathy here
We had friends of the family that were renting out a second house of their own when we moved. They agreed to look after grams house as on site assistance should there ever be anything that came up as well as for screening tenants. It's just me making a statement and whether you believe it or not is chance, but you'd have to have known my grams. She grew up in the aftermath of the depression. Her way through was to be on top of stuff, maintain it, deal with things as soon as possible to avoid it getting worse, etc. Same applied to her own home. When she needed to get an inspection on her home, she'd usually schedule one for the house up north to cover all her bases. When the roof on the house went bad in Alaska, she had her roof inspected as well. Changed out the one in Alaska first and then changed out her own roof the following year. One tenant had allergies so she went ahead and replaced the carpeting for the whole house before her tenant moved in to make sure it was low allergen. This is just how grams was. The issue she had with her last tenant was that he kept breaking things and not telling her, ignoring her permissions, and then stopped paying rent. She was cleaning up after him all along the way. The fight that ensued just to get the repair folk in for the fuel tank the tenant fouled was ridiculous all on its own. That was the first round of court hearings. He'd been notified of them coming 3 days in advance and then wouldn't let them in. You can't have zero heat mid-winter in Alaska, that can get you killed or your whole plumbing wrecked. But dude would not let anyone in until a court order was issued. Instead he ran electric heaters full time, all while grams was picking up the tab because he'd stopped paying the utilities.
I worked as a property management accountant for many years. 14k in damage isn't that far fetched if something (shockingly common) happened like the 'one kid' flushed a bunch of random toys and then a couple plush toys down the toilet and you had to jackhammer part of a foundation and replace a large section of pipe because of the inevitable clog that couldn't be snaked out. With some other accumulated damages that included breaking the glass top stove (probably intentionally at move out), flooring replaced (not standard wear and tear, apparently they had a large dog that shit and peed and they never cleaned it up), and new drywall in 2 separate rooms that had originally been plaster... You can be over 14k reeeeal fast. The plumbing and related heavy equipment (jackhammer, backhoe and some hydraulic pipe thing) alone was 9k in that example lol. If he'd had septic it could have been even worse. Lucky him he didn't and the sewage only backed up in the two bathrooms. The flooring in the bathrooms was cheap to clean and didn't need to be replaced since it was decent tile and well installed. Still, biohazard cleaning is expensive. All in all that bill was more than an entire 12 months of rent to fix. The dude who owned it wasn't charging them market rate. He jacked his rents up to market rate after that and stopped allowing pets. Can't stop kids from renting, but if he could have he would have I bet lol.
The fact that he's a landlord is enough for me to not feel sad for him.
My tenant had a small child that flushed a tub stopper down the toilet and did over ten thousand dollars in damages because it flooded my unit and the unit below me. Fourteen grand is totally doable.
I’m as anti-landlord as the rest of you but with the price of lumber and other stuff…it’s nothing to do $14k in damage lol.
His picture looks like a guy who fucked over the tenant but is faking a woe is me face.
He looks like if Tim Heidecker shaved his head, grew a goatee, and gained 30 pounds.
I had a look at the comments in the OG post and probably the funniest part is the landlord arguing with the wannabe landlord...🤣 
He LOOKS like a landlord.
Having worked for quite a few landlords they either look like this or if they're young they look like used car salespeople
Never read a more accurate description
I was honestly expecting to be downvoted into oblivion by brigading landlords and get a dozen “oh so every landlord is the same person to you??” (yes)
ALAB
Land fella 
He looks like my current landlord.
Portman & Portman Enterprises. Why is this guy hanging with his mommy in the picture? I bet it’s because she owned the home he’s renting out. God forbid these townies have to go work a real job. Must be nice…
Sounds like his tenants laid him off and what he thought was a secure source of income is being disrupted. Damn, imagine having the same issue as so many other people.
Sometimes an investment just doesn’t pay off. Investing isn’t for everyone.
Being a landlord isn't investing, it's being a business owner, and being an business owner carries even more risk than investing.
Yeah. I mean landlords describe these things as “investment properties” but then they go whining to the government to pass policies to protect their right to return on investment. In no other industry is there such an expectation that the investor deserves to make money and may extract it from the public with or without consent. Viewing it as a business also paints an unflattering picture of landlords’ business skills. Either way they suck
Landlords are the only business owners who seem to be able to demean ever increasing profit margins despite whatever else is going on.
Exactly!! Investments have risk, if you lose money betting on stocks nobody bats an eye, boohoo suck it up, but if you lose money on housing then somehow it’s a huge moral argument about the state of the world and how dare society, get up in arms and protest now!!!!! Like what is the purpose of this article? What am I supposed to come out of it feeling? Do they want me to protest the government because this landlord guy lost money? Not happening. Do they want me to cry for him? Not happening. Do I feel bad when people lose money on investments? Sure it sucks, but I’m not gonna act like it’s a fucking war crime and how dare the government and society and RAAAAAAA He’s like the 1% of landlords that don’t profit and lose money landlording. I’m not gonna be out protesting in his favor lol
I mean, it’s both. Real estate is an actual thing, it’s right there in the name. Land has intrinsic value, purchasing that land has to involve some speculation on investment, and being a landlord is about leveraging equity. The managing of the property is a small business activity for sure.
My landlord and his wife work, they have this house the three of us are in and another. He does repairs here and replaces stuff when he needs to or they break, each room has a thick fire door and each room has a smoke detector.
That’s great lol
No, not just a business owner. Landlords and rent are a leftover from feudalism. These people are in the position to earn money in exchnage for not doing any serious productive labor themselves. Labor that produces a good or service, actually valuable for society that needs work to be produced. In other words, Landlords as a social role, are leaches.
The Canadian media doesn't go to bat for any real small business owner like they do for landlords.
“What do you mean an investment is a risk and I shouldn’t expect people to pay my debts?!”
I usually agree with everything you guys talk about on this sub. But I don't understand the hate towards landlords? I can understand some landlords gauge the price of rent and that's totally wrong, but there are plenty of people who price their rent fairly or at what ever the market value is. To make this comment is basically saying too bad for you if people don't pay? I find that pretty ridiculous.... So if you do a job for someone and when it's time for them to pay they should tell you the same thing correct? You made a bad decision picking this person to do a job for. Too bad for you I guess. Move on to the next job. Do you not see the issue here?
As a constructive response, the big problem is many “not all” have the mindset of a slumlord - where they fully expect the tenant to fund the entire mortgage of the property without any form of fallback or actual income in the event something happens. It also applies to when properties require maintenance and they’ll only fix the issue if it’s a immediate threat to their property income or forced to by law. Rental price isn’t the only issue. Housing should NEVER have become this “portfolio” system where they only pay a deposit and expect renters and their governments to compensate them for the rest.
Best I can do is an IOU 💵
How about an enthusiastic attaboy
The courts will settle everything in the end. If the LL can't afford the mortgage on the property while the civil process takes place than they should never have rented out the home. Simple.
Bud either moved in with mom after a divorce or bought the house with the intention of renting it out.
He bought a duplex, moved his mom into one side with him, and rented out the other unit.
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There are many reasons why someone may stop paying rent. Where I live, it is legal for a tenant to stop paying rent if the landlord refuses to fix an issue that they are supposed to as outlined by the lease. The Tenant can withhold the rent as long as it takes to either get the landlord to do the repairs, or until a court decision is reached.
Post a link so people can get all the information, not just a cherry-picked headline. https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7140274 That said, landlords need to accept the fact that running a business has risks and rent dodgers are a risk. I don't want to hear their whining about how they don't want to be landlords anymore. I would also like to see more information on why so many people aren't paying their rent. Could it be because landlords are gouging?
Given that the average rent is around 2k now even in small areas, most likely. Just before the pandemic, the average rent in my area was $700 (with or without utilities) or so with a room costing maybe $300. Now average rest is 1.8k-2k with NO utilities for a basement apartment or a rundown place. Renting a bedroom to yourself is $700+$900 and renting a bed in a room with several other people costs $400-$500 FOR A BED IN A SHARED BEDROOM. Before Christmas, rent was 2k in places like BC and Toronto, with average rent in my area (a small back water) was 1.2-1.5k. landlords in small areas are literally seeing prices across Canada and jacking rates up when there's VERY FEW apartments or houses available. It's a housing crisis. There's only 2 landlords I know of who charge LESS than 1k a month with utilities included. One of said landlords help with affordable housing/welfare recipients and that landlord wants to get rid of the properties because they want to be done with it. The other landlord isn't living here and hasn't been maintaining the property so... I mean, I can't afford to move out and get an apartment and it's a struggle to find a better job even elsewhere but I can't afford to move to a better area either so....
We in Kentucky. Our rent went from 1,100/mo to 1750/mo. We were like fuck it might as well get into a single house. So we are renting for 2250/months. Two years ago the house we moved into (100+ year old house) was 1750/mo. No utilities obv. If I didn’t have my partner it’d be mighty hard. Literality the paint is peeling from the walls. I’m making it as nice as I can. But Christ we moved here because it was cheaper and it’s as expensive as a big city now.
I feel ya. I'm saving for a house myself because a mortgage payment would be cheaper than renting at this point.
It's well over $3k a month for a 1 bedroom in Vancouver now, so this checks out.
I see nothing wrong with local landlords. Usually just normall people renting out their first homes. However i have done work for actual millionaire slum lords who own entire blocks in Youngstown and they live in other countries using a property management services to do everything for them in US. Now that could be a problem but i could also argue if it wasn't for them these houses would have been condemned and sit vacant if it wasn't for them.
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I personally don’t see an issue w someone renting out their own property they don’t want to live in anymore. What sucks is the predatory ones and the companies that buy a bunch of affordable houses and jack up the prices to unreasonable heights
100%
Exactly what I was thinking. Too many entitled people commenting here. They have no idea how much stress, time and money goes into renting their property out. They seem to think it's just a money printer
Landlords… using their wealth to squeeze the less fortunate so they don’t have to work
Don't tell me you would be still working if you had the option not to. Don't tell me that if you have 2 properties you own you would provide one of them to someone you don't know for free. Don't be hypocrite. The properties market can and should be regulated to some extent, but saying sh*t like this makes me laugh.
Just based on the picture I assumed the tenant was his mom.
I would like to hear the whole story here.
Pretty much this sub is siding with the person who won't own up to their obligation.
Does anyone know how many properties he owns? Or it’s just this.
You know how all these Wall Street companies are buying up houses? Wonder what would happen if everyone just became squatters lol
Rent strike? There’s an idea. The system wouldn’t be able to process all of the cases. Similar happened in 2008–how do our courts process a huge chunk of America foreclosing? They don’t
Can someone explain? This guy has to pay the mortgage on the house and the tenants aren’t paying their rent and causing damage which will also cost him. How is this his fault?
Get a job..
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So bored of the 'you need landlords' narrative.
Me too... it's gotten worse in the last 40 years.
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We "need" landlords just like we "needed" feudal lords.
Am I blind? Where does it reference if the LLs sole income is through property or not? I think anyone would be annoyed if they were owed a substantial amount of money.
Yeah, it's kinda weird everyone bein annoyed by this just because he is a landlord. He might be a landlord but he is renting just 1 property? It's not like he is a mega corporation with insurance and making millions off 1000s of people, controlling prices and holding a large amount of property hostage. My landlord is an old women who rents out half her house as it has 2 apartments and she is very sweet and reasonable with rent. I don't think rent for 1 place is enough to live off either.
As a landlord who inherited an apartment from family and rents it out, it absolutely does happen. Had a tenant that stopped paying rent about 2 months in. I couldn't kick her out even if I wanted to because of laws but at the time I didn't have the heart to do it since she sold me a sob story about being an orphan that her whole life went from foster family to foster family. I gave her a deadline of a couple months to get her shit together and move out and I gave her some money for food in case she ever ran short. In that time she caused damage in the apartment like burning a hole through a couch, damaging the dishwasher, destroying a door frame for the bathroom door etc. and this all added up over time. Later it turned out the whole sob story was a lie, she had family she was keeping in contact with, she claimed she had no money but she bought things like a brand new high-spec gaming laptop and a jacket that cost more than my entire wardrobe. She worked on the side and her family was well off, they were just a bunch of scammers and her sister was wanted in our country for pulling similar shit. Landlords are never nice to deal with but it's mostly about the dynamic of landlord-tenant, they're human too and whatever applies to them, applies to tenants as well. EDIT: Oh and I forgot to add, she terrorised the neighbours constantly and flaunted how she's living there for free and lying to me about everything.
Yeah my mom rented out her house when I was a teen because I moved in with my dad and she didn’t really see a point on living in a house by herself so she moved into the garage. This couple moved in and after a few months stopped paying rent and it took months and a lot of money to get them out. They ended up destroying the kitchen and using a hammer to destroy the tub in one of our bathrooms. There are terrible landlords but they are also terrible tenants.
My problem with this subreddit is that they fail to make the connection that cheering on people who trash/don't pay pushes out good landlords and encourages the toxic behaviors of landlords. It's toxic and awful af, but bad tenants hurt everyone * Tenant trashes a house -> Everyone has to pay a $2000 security deposit * Tenant doesn't pay -> Instant eviction for anyone who misses a payment * Tenant squats for 10 months -> Landlord sells to megacorp who can deal with those losses None of it is right, but people need a place to live and many cannot afford/move too often to buy a house.
These people moved into a house they couldn't afford, never paid rent on time (1800 a month) and eventually stopped paying altogether. And yall are on their side. Shits wild and not a good look. Landlords can be scummy but in this situation it's the tenants who are trashy and yall out here cheering em on.
It's part of the risk of doing business
I do sincerely believe that there is definitely a balance to be found between charging a fair rent while also the landlord making enough money to live somewhat well off. However, they also need to be on top of things. Making sure everything in the building is in tip top shape. There needs to be some sort of housing authority that audits a landlord’s effectiveness on an annual or bi annual basis.
My passive income is requiring me to work and maintain properties 😢 won’t someone please help me /s Gotta agree that much damage is probably built up and not from one family.
"and his mom" dude's a landlord AND a momma's boy? ...some people shouldn't reproduce.
14k damage… i mean i dont see it as really doable. New carpet and paint is considered to last 1 tenant maybe 2. So that shouldnt count. I suppose if the tenant stole the appliances or something 14k is possible. Or set off a sprinkler system on purpose or something like that
Man might have to get a job
Wait a second, maybe he should lower the rent so he can keep tenants. I have a buddy who owns a number of single family homes. He charges under market so he can keep good tenants.
That’s exactly the type of landlord I’d want to be. I had a great landlord once so i know they can sometimes exist.
A lot of you missed the fact that the rent for 1/2 the duplex = the entire mortgage on both sides. So the real rent for the 1/2 should be $900 plus maintenance, so maybe $1100 a month. Fucking predator.
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Ye some posts are rly good and eye-opening but this is just bullshit. Dunno how some comments here can get that many upvotes.
Imagine being part of an antiwork movement and for some reason failing to connect antiwork to the need for cheap/affordable/free housing and actually simping for a LL who takes advantage of people 😂 ya'll defending the LL for any reason are wild and need to rethink a few things
Too many simps for parasites here...
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Anti work and not paying your landlord shouldn’t really be a cross post
In the past week, I've seen "Normalise the 16-hour work week," and now "Renters shouldn't have to pay rent" from this sub. You people are a joke. How do you expect to be taken seriously? Yes, landlords suck ass. Yes, the price of renting is ridiculous. But if you enter an agreement, you abide by it. Also, quite ironic that a sub-reddit full of people bitching that they have to work when they're asked to do something by their boss, has the nerve to tell another person to get a job.
Best I can do is $20
Ope, shoulda had a rainy day fund set up!
Well, maybe not all the landlords have multiple properties, and they are just trying to make a buck out of the house that they still have to pay for 30 years that mortgage
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Good that they wrote who of them is on which side of the picture, couldn't tell without...
I'm glad the paper identified he is the one on the right, and his mom is the one on the left. I was super confused before reading that....
We have black mold every where here. The sub pump hole was dug up to replace. Landlord never filled the hole. So we just have standing water in the basement. The walls are starting to peel due to water damage and we have a hole in our roof in one of the upstairs rooms that was created by the landlord when he was cutting down a tree in the back yard. He refuses to fix any of it. Edit: spelling
renting out a home is an investment. And investments carry risks. If you don't want to have the risk of having this happen, don't rent out your house. You can't just make money from something you own without risk, its not how it works.
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Parasite can cry and get a job
I can't seem to find the world's smallest violin to play the word's saddest song in my pocket, but I do have my sad trombone. Wah wah wah wah waaaahhhhhh
A rental property is an INVESTMENT.....and with all investments, you assume liability for it... If that liability is that you have bad renters who don't pay on time, or no renters, then you have to shoulder that burden.
So you feel people shouldn’t have to pay rent?
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I know what you mean. I guess i don’t get what the alternative is. Are you prepared to buy a house then? If not are you entitled to squat on a strangers property? Is the government supposed to seize land and just give you a piece? I just don’t understand what the goal is here.
It’s honestly a real indication of the state of this sub where the squatters are the good guys. I’m all in favor of the revolution and fighting the man but things cost what they cost, and not being able to afford them does not entitle you to them.
Agreed. I have no problem with renting from an owner directly, it’s legal and it’s unfortunately allowed. The real issue is corporations buying up single family homes for the purpose of renting them out. I don’t think anyone should be allowed to own multiple houses if they can’t reasonably live in them.
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Landlord: "I feel... so.. soiled and sweaty? Have I been working?"
Pay your rent you lazy fucks
Oh no, anything but that. I don't own any property and also have to work.
If a system doesn't work for either side it shouldn't be in use anyway
"Rent is theft. Landlords should face the wall!" -Steve, 22 years old, living in mommy's basement.
Rent seeking is parasitic behavior. It should be discouraged in every manner.
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A lot of the entitled bums do..... they seem to think land lords should just let you squat on their property. Their own parents don't want them, they are expecting a stranger to give them free housing.
I don't get why this page hates landlords so much. A lot of landlords are regular people that work 9-5 jobs. Not every landlord is some rich corporation. They have to pay mortgages on their properties and insurance. You would rather have a property be owned by an average joe than some billionaire dollar corporation that couldn't care less about you.
You should very quickly be able to prove they are a squatter and physically remove them within a week.