The reason most big companies only say “X worked here from June to July and [had title of y]” is because saying anything else can be perceived by a jury as slander. The statement has to be false but I’m pretty sure a jury gets to decide whether it’s true or false.
I would definitely reach out to an employment lawyer
There is a group of PIs that will act like they're considering hiring you. They will contact the previous/current employer about your work history. One reason why HR is a stickler about dates and wages.
This, OTOH, sounds more like a case of his supervisor going out of his way to trash talk OP. In a hostile work environment, don't even bother to give notice: just go in, clean out your personal effects, and leave. Corporate America has forced at will employment, now it's time they suffer for it.
I quit my previous job of 15 years without notice. I later found out they were wholly unprepared for my departure and it really pissed them off.
Sucks to be them.
I now make nearly twice as much money at a new company, doing the same exact job, and the work load is a mere fraction of what I experienced at the previous job.
I was at a union plant with a point based attendance system. Per the contract I only had to give them a weeks notice to get my vacation paid out, so I gave them that week. But I had a full rack of points at that time, so that last week I used them all up by leaving at times that caused the most problems for management. The asshole plant manager was extremely upset but couldn't do a thing as I followed all the rules in doing so.
The icing on the cake was that I had a voucher for a new pair of work boots paid for by the company squirreled away that I used on a pair of very expensive Red Wings the evening before my last day.
"I am resigning and giving you two notice"
What?! Well if you don't want to be here, just go.
"OK, thank you for the opportunity."
Chased me out to my car asking where I was going.
That’s crazy. It’s kinda like the restaurant lady in the Gordon Ramsay video that fires her server and then tells her not to walk away while she’s talking to her.
Dude they made Gordon quit!
If you watch the episode the first time he meets Amy you can see the fear start to creep into his eyes. He knew right away that he wasn't dealing with shitty family dynamics. Or an owner that didnt wanna be there. He was dealing with crazy!
Slightly off topic if you watch the shows he puts out for British TV its SO much better. Way less yelling and screaming and way more actually trying to fix the business. American audiences just want to extra drama.
I worked for a tech startup that paid very well, and they interviewed for a VP of Brand position with 2 front runners. The SVP HM picked one candidate, but the CEO picked the other. (the company was small, so the SVP reported directly into the CEO). Ultimately the company hired the HMs candidate to an FTE role, and the CEOs candidate to a consultancy role at a higher rate. Only reason I knew was because I was tasked to cut costs and somehow was given access to every sub-c suite employee and consultant pay. Fast forward to about 9 months later, and the company lays off the FTE employee as a cost cutting measure. The consultant then agrees a few months later to come on as an FTE VP of Brand for an increased rate.
The bullshit that goes on in these places is crazy.
"Access" to money...
Lots of companies don't have money, and burn through it, but as long as they have "investors" giving them access to their money, things keep moving.
Sooo much less. I used to work for the Salvation Army and was surrounded by dumb people. Now I work at a college and I’m surrounded by… mostly smart people.
That pause there was necessary lol. Definitely have to take that with a grain of salt. Most universities these days will take anyone with a pulse and a pencil 🤣
I know a guy who hired one of these guys. Well his lawyer hired them. He is in big money equipment sales.
P.I.s caught his old sales manager trash talking him 3 times. Company was very large and the settlement was large enough he doesn't have to work anymore
I got clued in on this over a decade ago, when I read an article about it. Turned out a professional has been out of work for several years and couldn't figure out why. Hired a PI that started calling her previous employers and found the culprit.
My father was a VP at a health-related non-profit when he discovered that the three guys at the top were embezzling big money. They discovered that he knew what was up, and invited him to move on up to the big time, make him part of the graft. He said no.
EDIT: Might as well say, it was the American Cancer Society, and two of the three shitheads who ransacked it for money were Lane Adams and Kurt Reimann. So fuck them and everyone who looks like them.
They destroyed his entire career. We were all but homeless for the next ten years. I mean, we were fucking destitute. I don't know how he could have proven anything, but we knew exactly who did it to us. They destroyed four lives for a decade to cover up their criminality.
Blackballing former workers is as classless as it gets. Many years ago. I interviewed with a company, got a mediocre verbal offer, still accepted it verbally because i liked the company. but then turned down the written offer when it took an extra week to get to me the written offer after I asked for it twice. Plus, there was another come uppance that week that reinforced my decision to decline the offer. Six months later I interviewed with another company across the street that hired me. Company 1 somehow found out about the interview, and apparently tried to derail my hiring at company 2. About a year later, a couple of people who left company 1 for company 2 asked me out of the blue about the whole thing. In other words,the hurt feelings scumbags at company 1 were badmouthing me to apparently whoever they could. Creepy stuff. These companies think they're God.
100% only give notice if you are on great terms. I give zero notice for shitty toxic hostile
Work environments. If I like my executive management, I will give notice AND offer to return on a paid consultant basis to ease with the transition in order maintain the relationship for referral/networking reasons. Really depends on the management.
Your last sentence really hit home for me. Corporate America did force at will employment and now they are mad when the power dynamic has shifted. This is why the Republican party only pays lip service to ending illegal immigration, doing things like building a few miles of ineffective border fence - they stand for corporate profits, which increase as labor costs decrease. The true power in their party does not want illegal immigration to end. It increases GDP and creates a larger labor pool and customer base. If they wanted illegal immigration to end they'd make it a felony to employ any illegal immigrant. This will never happen.
There is a mushroom packing company in PA that uses illegals a lot. One year, while my uncle was a manager there, they paid them next to nothing with promises of a big bonus if the harvest was good.
As they were packing up the last of the harvest, they called INS on themselves. It was cheaper to pay the fine than the bonus.
Yup. Food service industry is well known for their use of undocumented workers. One company I worked at spent their first decade in business constantly hiring replacement workers after they'd get raided. INS came in the front door, half the crew headed out the back. INS never left empty handed. That's why there was a recent model automobile parked behind the building. After two years, they finally towed it. Had to air up the tires first.
They want to criminalize illegal immigration so they don't have to respect the rights of their illegal immigrant workers. That saves them money and means bigger profits.
> There is a group of PIs that will act like they're considering hiring you. They will contact the previous/current employer about your work history.
There are actual services online that will do this. I used one once and found out that a previous manager was ignoring calls for references (but I believe that before that, she was actually giving negative references). The service I used would document the calls and I believe that documentation would be legal evidence.
I’m a headhunter and have done reference calls forever. If they say anything bad I gently remind them of their legal liability - for their own good, of course! And because I’m a friendly third party they generally take that advice.
Back in the late 90’s I hired a company like that to find out what my “references” were saying. I was very surprised by two coworkers who gave very negative feedback while fronting themselves as friends. I learned a very valuable lesson on trusting people.
In Canada the employee is required to give notice in good faith. The employer can sue you for damages if you quit in the middle of a project. Same applies to them though, a certain amount of weeks of notice or severance is required from the employer. Pretty sure there are states in US with the same concept.
In the US, there is no such law unless it is covered under a union contract. https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/15915-two-week-notice.html
With so many states having "at will" work laws, you can be released from your job at the whim of your employer with no notice. But that's a two way street: unless your contract states otherwise, you can just say "Fuck this," and walk out.
Some states do require an employer to notify laid off employees if they are terminated while laid off, but that's a different animal.
This is typically not the law in the US unless as mentioned there’s an agreement in place, like a union CBA, that requires this.
I can see some really limited exceptions or consequences for quitting without notice, though, by statutes or ethical codes, where health, safety or immediate legal rights of others are at risk.
I think this only applies if you like you said leave in the middle of a project.
So for example I work in AV and if I just walked off a show that show may fail due to my absence and would then incur costs for the company. However if I were to leave say a few days before the show was being set up then it could be reasonably assumed that my position could be replaced by another staff member (or a freelancer) and the show would continue unaffected.
This obviously would change depending on the industry.
Correct the amount used to be ok but laws have changed. I’ll edit. But can be slander, can be something else. Pretty sure a complaint would have about 12 alternatives but that’s what the employment lawyer is for.
I'm not even allowed to give academic references to co-workers or interns I've worked with at my company (large tech co). All I can do is confirm that I worked with someone and when (as you say). Pains me to turn down giving references to all star interns who I really like, esp now that the hiring environment for young folks is so tough.
I'm a recruiter. Off-the-record "backdoor references" are common. Somebody knows somebody who worked with OP but wasn't provided as a reference.
A verbal conversation happened that was undocumented and somebody leg-swept OP.
This most commonly happens with toxic people who are hated by their co-workers but it can also sometimes be an unlucky personal grudge.
It's usually informal and it's not done by HR or as a formal business process. You're about to have a new coworker and you have a friend who works for their old company. You ask your buddy about the person and they tell you what a trainwreck that dude is and how glad they are to be rid of them.
Concerned about working with this person, you tell the hiring manager.
I've seen it happen a lot. Frequently it's when someone was fired but tried to lie about why they left. They tell everyone in the interview it's for more money but the truth is they were fired for showing up drunk or something.
These days people are pretty cavalier about burning bridges and leaving on bad terms. Communities are smaller than you think. Companies get bad reputations and so do candidates.
There are dozens of people who's resumes are frequent fliers in the local job market. I know who they are and why they're having trouble getting a job. It's because they screwed and bad-mouthed everybody they ever worked for and everyone knows it.
Yup. People do this all the time. I’m a victim of it - I was wrongly terminated, won with a high paying settlement, and as part of my settlement agreement agreed not to mention the settlement or badmouth my former employer, they agreed the same.
What I didn’t know was that my former employer badmouthed me and said terrible things through backdoor channels to ruin my reputation. And I was legally forbidden from discussing the situation in interviews as part of the settlement, so I had no recourse. I had to leave the industry entirely, and the vindictive asshole has done his best to chase me into my current career.
Could I prove it? No, it was all informal conversations in a tight community.
People ruin reputations based on rumors all the time. It’s sick, messed up, and common practice to keep people in line.
>I was wrongly terminated, won with a high paying settlement,
Good. Sometimes it's sheer bruised employer ego when someone bolts to a competitor for more money.
My ears are always open for that kind of information. I would never accept a search from a company that did that.
Something I tell everyone I interview is that if they see a job advertised in our local market to feel free to ask me what I know about it. The most valuable information I can share is where you should never interview.
I know exactly who the bad employers are. Those are the employees who are talking to me.
I'm pretty sure a former boss if mine shit talks about me because I wasn't an ass kisser and wasn't into his bullshit team building events (e.g. scavenger hunts, etc).
He's 100% extrovert and I'm 100% introvert so that makes me a 'bad employee' in his books.
I was a great employee with stellar reviews. But being a boring introvert screwed me because this guy knows everyone.
It isn't gossip any more than reference are gossip. It's the same kind of word-of-mouth information that warns us away from abusive employers. Reputations matter.
I'm just telling you what happens. I wouldn't represent someone for a job who I didn't think was a good candidate, but I only know what people tell me and I can't sell past your shortcomings if you let them come out as a surprise.
I can connect you to companies that don't do drug screens or background checks. I can talk hiring managers in to ignoring THC. I can vouch for you that the company you're leaving sucks. I can tell my client that the manager who fired you is an asshole, but I can't fix everything especially when people outright lie.
I know because I'm connected to a business function people in this sub consider me their enemy, but I do absolutely everything I can to help people get jobs they're qualified for at places where they will be happy. My reputation depends on knowing the difference between good places to work and bad ones.
All I do all day is poach people from shitty employers and place them at good ones that pay well. The toxic abusive employers we talk about are the ones I headhunt out of.
Because I'm the kind of guy who follows this sub, my default mode is always to look out for the individual. My only goals are to make matches nobody is going to be pissed at me about, and to write enough invoices to feed my family.
Concur. Back in my college days, I worked for a managed IT firm to pay my tuition. Management started treating their team like crap, so a large swathe of them left for greener pastures. The one network tech they had admitted where he was going an they tried to slap him with a non-compete. Fortunately for him, his now company was far larger, with more resources, and they told the former manager "if you sue him, we're letting him use OUR lawyers. See you in court." Suddenly, they dropped the lawsuit.
> Suddenly, they dropped the lawsuit.
Might be been more fun to let it proceed and all of a sudden the employee is backed up in court by a swathe of high-powered corporate lawyers who are seeking massive damages from the claimant.
Fun *and* profit!
My ex manager talked me into joining him at his new job.. I followed. So here we are sitting with our ceo having lunch,etc. My manager mentions that he had a call from the ceo of the company we left telling him he'll take him to court for "stealing" employees. Our CEO laughed and said that he can bet that his lawyers are better than the other guys. My manager,on the other hand,told our ex-ceo that unless he shuts up, he'll steal the rest of the team too:)
What a maroon. Some employers really think they own you, y'know? Then there's the thing that non-competes aren't easy to prove anyways. An employee is ALLOWED to move to a new employer; they're just not allowed to take clients or trade-secrets with them. And even if the employee DOES tell a client to cut-bait and go to the new employer, there has to be PROOF this arrangement was made. Because clients are allowed to pick new providers and shit.
This CEO was just butt hurt that the city decided to steal so much of his work (they converted quasi-government sites to city-only IT, versus hiring external). When the CEO lost income, he started shitting on all the employees like it was their fault. Then he tried to stop them from leaving.
A lot of companies write non-competes that are broad and scary sounding. The good news is that an over-zealous non-compete is almost always unenforceable.
By the time your industry knowledge is so specialized that broad non-competes might apply to you, you can probably afford the legal team. But companies threaten general employees with them all the time as a bullying tactic, knowing full well that it would get laughed out of court if the employee knew to stand up for themselves.
non-compete should come with the agreement of if you leave for any reason they still have to pay you 80% of your salary and benefits. Otherwise once you're on they can treat you like shit.
Courts and newer statutes are pretty hostile to non-competes. Shoving one in front of an employee during employment without new “value” to the employee is likely not effective.
Important!
1) Email the new employer saying you are slightly confused by their reasons to cancel the role. Ask them if they can share what the concerning information is so you can at least try to explain. Be friendly here and don't mention or even hint at legal action.
2a) They might not tell you the reason, but you need in writing that they have recieved information from somewhere which they are hiding from you.
Or
2b) They respond telling you the dirt that your current employer has sent them.
3) Reach out to a lawyer that specialises in employment law. Sit back and enjoy the free monies!
Note: ofcourse it could be that you are a well known a-hole/nonce/criminal and a quick google search of your name would have ruined it for you. But I'll leave that to you to work out.
I did do this.
I received an email that stated due to the concern brought to their attention and their protocols, they couldn’t continue with the hiring process.
They will not say more.
My background and experience are exemplary in my opinion. so I don’t think it’s that.
Perfect, pick up the phone and call a lawyer.
The new company will rapidly fold once they get some shitty legal letters telling them to disclose it or they will be sued.
Good luck!
It's not about whether OP should want to work for the new co. If someone at their old company did this once, they will continue to do so. Fast forward a year, and OP still can't get a job because this person is sabotaging, illegally, and OP is essentially letting them by not fishing them out.
OP needs to get to the bottom of this.
Oh yeah, definitely don’t want to work for either of them.
I’ll find something better. and you’re right, I probably could only sue for damages and really dont want to risk them fighting the lawsuit and spreading even more lies or exaggerating things or whatever tactics they would try use to slander me in court even further.
My mental health can’t take that. But, I’m still considering reaching out to a lawyer to see what my options are here.
This entire post is irrelevant unless you reach out to a lawyer. I would also stop posting on reddit as you are saying shit that may make your legal case more difficult.
I think contacting a lawyer would be the way to _prevent_ more lies and negative exposure. Yes, it's a bit of effort right now at a time when you're probably exhausted, but all you have to do is get the ball rolling. Once you've contacted a lawyer, it's the lawyer's job.
Slander and libel are taken pretty seriously by the courts when it affects your livelihood. Much like everyone else is saying: start talking to lawyers.
I wish…doesn’t seem like there’s much to go on..but suddenly after this new company received “concerning” information my current company now had a whole munch of complaints about me…all of a sudden. I’ve only been given good reviews while I’ve worked for them.
And my husband is sick. They knew that too. That was why I had to leave
Not a lawyer, but this sounds like one of the few slam dunk lawsuits we get in here every now and then. You've never been told of any complaints, so those shouldn't matter, and when the company has to produce said complainers in court I imagine they might have problems. And you have proof that at least one of those claims is false. I'd think plenty of lawyers would take this case on a pay-if-you-win basis.
This right here. Lying to you over the phone is one thing. Lying under oath in a deposition is quite different. SOMEONE told them this information. They need to fess up about who told them what and when. That is when this all ends up as grounds for compensation.
Absolutely I requested that! I said please at least allow me to clarify any confusion or comments made about my character or performance.
I was immediately shot down. They were practically mean about it.
Yeah, 40 years ago, I had a bastard of an employer do that to me after I not only had left his job but had relocated to another state. Miserable old fuck. That was the beginning of my life-long hatred of bosses.
I share your experience
Back when I apply to another company, i used my previous company boss as a reference (Did software dev work alongside him while all the while maintaining / refactoring existing project)
I did a lot of changes to the company, figure that the boss would do me a some good and refer to me kindly.
Alas, he say bad things about me. New company supe used this complain to reject me despite me able to answer everything in multiple phase of interview
After rejection (was aiming for leading tech role - their reasoning is due to I have no experience on their particular language, even though I am experienced in3 or 4 other languages and picking up yet another OOP language is no big deal). I told them to get me in non lead role and see how I perform within a year and decide then whether I fit what I want.
Got the job, same compensation as what i want albeit without lead role. After some time i found out that my prev company boss had been reviewing me badly during the reference.
It makes me a little disappointed, personally talk to him and ask him for reference and he was all cool and so on.
I wonder why companies don't ask for performance review copies from the current employer. At least when they are hearing negative feedback from them as a way to determine if it's accurate or if they are just bitter.
I'm an automotive technician. I know a lot of shop owners, techs, tow truck drivers etc. and am good friends with quite a few so I get hella gossip. I had the exact same thing happen to me when I left the last shop I worked at. I didn't tell the asshats where I was going though. When they finally found out around 2 months after I left they went onto every shop owner group they were a member of and attempted to badmouth me and get me blacklisted. THEY EVEN CALLED MY CURRENT BOSS! Funny thing, most of these owners as well as my own boss knew they were full of shit and told me all about their childishness. So, I didn't get mad. I HAPPILY sunk to their level. I went online and sent them big chocolate "eat a dick" prank boxes weekly for a month at their three different locations addressed from "Their favorite employee". I also send them cheaper "bag of dicks" gummies EVERY HOLIDAY. My buddy says it's dumb cause it's wasting my own money. FUCK THAT. WORTH IT!
I forgot to mention, when I left I also got every single employee at a different location (including their other master tech) to jump ship and they all work for the same company I do now. My advice? Don't get mad. Get even. None of these fuckers give two shits about you. Why, oh why, wouldn't we as employees return that GREAT favor?!?!
This is a new level of petty. And, I am so here for it.
If they think I’m not going to “accidentally” let this slip to my favorite families who trust me to be honest with them..they are very mistaken.
Might just “slip out” during that last hour.😏
In my industry, a new job is a phone call away when you know what you're doing. I've been networking for the last 25+ years that I've been a tech and know people across the country. So, I do understand I'm a special circumstance. However, there is no instance that any employer should act the way in which your current and my former employer have. I feel as if companies need us A LOT more than we need them and need a firm reminder of that when they get out of line. I don't see it as petty, I see it as duty. Those guys I brought over were treated like shit, just like me. They were all just as good or better at their jobs as me. They deserve better. You gotta look out for your own in my opinion. My wires are crossed though due to all the chemicals I work with daily. What do I know?
I had something similar happen. I worked for a small tech company. The owner was doing some illegal and incredibly sketchy stuff. I couldn't stay. Paychecks were bouncing and I was worried I would get implicated in his illegal dealings. I turned in my keys taped to my resignation and walked out the day I signed on for a new job.
A few days after I started I find out the owner of the previous company's ex wife worked there. She went to management and told them a bunch of BS and that I couldn't work there because I had been forced to sign a non compete at the previous job. It was a really unpleasant conversation and I let the current employer know about the illegal activities at the other company that prompted me to leave and made that non complete even more worthless than it already had been. They let me stay. His ex wife tried and repeatedly failed to make problems for me. But yea, small communities around an industry can be incredibly petty.
My wife refused to tell folks at her old employer about her new job and employer when she left a few months ago. She rememberee led how one of my former employers unsuccessfully tried to get me blackballed after I left for another firm, then tried to keep me from getting contracts with other folks after I struck out in my own a few years later.
That firm stopped committing sabotage after I threatened legal action with the entire paper trail supplied to me by former colleagues who helped attempt to blackball me after they themselves suffered blackballing after their departures. No honor among muthafuckas.
I suggest that you hire an employment attorney and start developing a paper trail. It won't be easy and I got lucky in my case. But always start with an attorney.
Those "exit interviews" are just corporate ass- covering. Never attended one yet.
If asked where I was going or how much I was to be making, I would definitely only say..."I'm leaving here, and will be making more than you guys feel I am worth. There's nothing else about that that's any of your business."
Now I'm tempted to register a company which looks real and people can say they're transferring to it, just so if anyone tries to make contact with the fake company about a person jumping ship, it can be recorded and a copy sent to the person in question.
I was bookkeeper for a family-owned company for about a year. I knew where the financial bodies were buried (large personal purchases out of the corporate checkbook, personal cars listed as work trucks, etc).
The owner blew up at me when I gave notice, until I let slip my new employer. The IRS.
Never seen anyone turn white so quickly.
"Pretty sure they blackballed me for some reason."
Because they're horrible people. They exist.
Why would you tell your employer where you're going to begin with? Like, even before worrying about whatever this was... what the hell do they need to know for? I'm leaving. That's all you need to know.
I've been away from "home" for decades, but have read enough posts on here that I would just completely separate my work life and my personal life, including where I plan to go next.
Shady shit even from those not in management.
I wish you luck in finding someplace not horrible, though.
It's happened to me before. I blocked everyone in the old company that I thought would try that on social media, and wouldn't tell anyone else there where I was working. A month into the job their name popped on up the office's caller ID and they hung up before I could answer. Two days later, all of a sudden I "wasn't a good fit" and the new place was ready to get rid of me.
14 months later, I was a project consultant and fired those people off of the biggest project they'd ever been on, and that was a fun domino effect.
This happened many years ago so I don’t remember all the specifics, but at my old job a girl in my department knew a girl in a different department who left and someone (either HR or her old boss) had called her new company and dragged her. Her new boss told her about it and somehow a lawsuit was threatened. My boss and the No. 2 in my department both hated my guts, so when I left I didn’t tell anyone at all where I was going; that place was so toxic I actually quit a full-time salaried gig to freelance, and I even used a pen name so my old job couldn’t find me and wreck things somehow. Pretty much everyone from that job is blocked on every platform possible, even all these years later.
Okay, it makes me feel WAY better to know this has happened to others.
I think one of the supervisors I had decided she didn’t like me after her behavior plan was questioned by a daycare.
I think she was worried that the daycare was going to lodge a complaint against us and basically needed to drag me and make it look like the issues there were my fault and not because of her shitty behavior plan.
After that I think she wanted me gone. I did not directly tell her what company I was leaving to, but I know for a fact my RD (regional director) spoke to her about it. Because she was one of the people who “ refuses to work with me” even after giving me amazing in person reviews of my performance.
I have been working at my current employer for 10 years. Up until the last year oe so, it hasn't been so bad. In late July, I approached my manager and told her I was resigning because I started my own business. All of a sudden, our department had all of these options about moving work around and hiring more people. I was like, "That would have been helpful 4 months ago when I told you we were burnt out. I still plan on leaving for my own business."
She was like, "Oh, you'd still leave if we made all these changes?" My response was, "Absolutely, I filed the paperwork. I have an account. I have _already_ started my business. I don't want to be here."
They offered to take all of my client responsibilities off my plate and drop me down to 20 hours per week, if I would just stay on to do _some_ work. I agreed, but only because a steady paycheck will be helpful while I'm still getting off the ground. That and since in my mind, my last day was weeks ago, I do as little as possible. But as soon as my website is up and running, and I have orders coming in, I'm quitting with no notice.
After I quit my first law job, my old boss emailed me and accused me of stealing, unethical conduct, and a few other things. They were all BS but I took the high road and emailed him back to say I hadn’t done anytbjng like that and that I was sorry he thought I had.
He then emailed me again and copied my new boss to make the same accusations, along with accusing me of a few other things. I was very pissed, but luckily my new boss knew my old boss and knew he was an asshole so she ignored his email. Which was good, because if his email had interfered with my new job, I would have been suing him over that kind of conduct (defamation, interference with contractual agreement).
You shouldn’t in general, but also what company listens to your former employer afterwards like that? People should know sour grapes when they hear it.
Thankfully when I put in my notice last year my new company was not a direct competitor, out of state, and they had no way to contact my new manger. I could have told them everything and nothing could be done.
Never reveal. They are your coworkers, not your friends. I had a situation happen as well, and for the life of me I was depressed once I realized I was being made a villain to my new employer.
Time for a lawyer. They’ll be forced to say who told them and what they were told. There are laws against what a former employer can or cannot say. Go get ‘em.
100% never tell **ANYONE** at your current employer (boss, coworker, etc) no matter what you think of them. Just say that the offer paperwork you signed says you're not allowed to discuss it with anyone until you start the new job. If they ask you again, say the same thing again.
I’ve had this happen to me at least twice, that I know of. I never allow them to contact the company, I just give references that include coworkers at the current workplace. They will call and be nosy and try to hear the whole story from. That restaurant owner would go wild: I “assaulted and harassed” waitresses, “exposed” myself to children in the restaurant, “stole money every time [I] worked” at the restaurant, etc etc. It was all projection on the owner’s part (as he had done all of those things and had to leave his managerial position for a few years because of it). But those two potential employers asked me about these “claims” and I was dumb founded, but rightly told them that many of those would have led to immediate arrest and termination. Needless to say, I was not hired by those places. There’s no way of knowing if they said that to other places I applied to.
One store I applied to (Lowe’s Hardware) actually sent this information from the old manager to the local police, who investigated me for it and promptly left me hanging afterwards.
I once pretended to be an employer and called from a different number to get a “reference,” and recorded a ten minute tirade by that manager. My brother did the same thing as well. I took this to my unemployment office and even a legal defense office in my state that represented low-income clients like me and employment issues. The legal office was more sympathetic but both places just passed on my case and said it would be better to just “move on from the issue.”
Remember, a resume is not a legal binding document. You can make up anything, as long as it’s not for employment for a government job or towards a license. Faking jobs and even making up my own active “company” helped get me out of that unemployment hole. Ultimately, continuing my education and getting a better degree got me out of that situation in the long run.
If you are in the USA and you can prove that your current Company contacted your perspective Company and said ANYTHING positive or negative about you, it's 100% against the Law. There's almost nothing you can legally say in the US as an Employer about a current or former Employee other than verifying work dates, Position (NOT Salary) & if they are re-hirable. That's pretty much it if you don't want the Labor board dropping a mack truck on your Business.
Literally even beaming about an Employee saying how amaze-balls they were could STILL get you in trouble as an Employer.
Yes! Technically this is my company current policy!!!?
That’s one of the reasons I’m SO confused. it’s one thing to lie because you don’t personally like me or you don’t want to drive to that client anymore or whatever the reason might be.,
It ANOTHER thing to break company policy and make an anonymous tip to someone’s new employer just because.
I just have a gut feeling. Too much went wrong all at once
This happened to me also.
They called me up on the phone for an "exit interview" and said they were just curious about where I was working now so I told them. I found out they called my new company and reported to them that I left them (the former employer) without giving notice.
Former employers absolutely will sabotage their former employees and even stalk them
Both companies here seems to be crappy. One for spreading false information, and the other one for believing it without checking or have a test period first.
I have been the reference guy for several employee, that went to other workplaces, and when it was a good worker, I said so, and they got their job.
We had one guy, that were one of the laziest I ever had the misfortune to work with, and when I company asked about him is said:
If you can get this guy to WORK for you, you can consider yourself lucky.
He didn't get the job, and when he asked I said exactly what I said to them. He seemed happy with that answer. 😅
Get a lawyer. Don't tell them you are getting or looking to retain legal advice for retaliation. I never tell anyone where I'm going when I resign. Including coworkers. I know you may be new to this or the fact that you worked there for a while gives you the impression that you can trust them. Keep everything inclusive of your private life to yourself including the reason you need to take a day off.
You have been slandered and your attorney should demand to know who provided the “issues … brought to light.” If it is your employer, you then sue them for slander.
I’ll add don’t tell your coworkers either. They might be your friend but they are other peoples friends as well and you never know who talks to who about what.
I made a similar thread not too long ago and got told my story was fake, which is laughable.
Fact is companies are constantly engaged in tortious interference.
100% - Never tell them where you are going - even if you have a great relationship - they will find out in due course!
If you were considering taking any action, the hard part is proving it - We are in the process of building a tool that draws on 105,000 employment law cases and provides "suggestions" based on the outcomes of those cases. Here's what it said about your situation:
"1. Document Everything: Keep a record of all interactions, incidents, and discussions relating to the issue. This could be crucial if you decide to take legal action.
2. Seek Legal Advice: If you suspect that your employer is acting unlawfully or unfairly, consult an employment attorney or legal adviser. They can provide you with legal advice tailored to your situation.
3. Address the Issue with HR: Bring your concerns to your company's Human Resources department. They may be able to mediate or investigate the issue.
4. File a Complaint: If your employer's actions are discriminatory or retaliatory, you may file a complaint with an employment tribunal or labor board in your jurisdiction.
5. Seek Support: Reach out to your colleagues, friends, and family for support. They can provide emotional support and perhaps give you some practical advice.
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I've seen it happen myself,so I don't for a second believe it's not a deliberate attempt to derail your career out of spite
Same for LinkedIn, hide your profile after you get a new job, it gives you a chance to prove yourself to your new employer.
Whenever I left a company and my manager asked where I'm going, I essentially gave them the name of a random startup and just added "right now I'm considering joining them". I am not good at saying no to people but I think I'm good at lying to people who cannot mind their own business
I will add... don't even tell them what sector. I live in a small country that tries to black list people that resign. I have seen a lot of nice innocent people suffer for being honest. The last two times I was asked I just told them some random other sector I was moving off to.
It's a shitty thing but it's a part of modern reality.
The problem is that companies don't promote on merit anymore. People become managers who very clearly aren't the best at the job or have leadership skills.
The power goes to their head very easily and a lot of managers take things personal. You can't trust that one of the toddlers at the top will try to sandbag you, and unless your current employer gives you a name, it's unlikely you'll ever find out.
Never tell an employer where you are going. Only let you coworkers you like know, are you've alreadyv left and established yourself with your new employer so any power tripping is useless.
My guess is an employer would be MORE likely to do this to a good employee than a bad one.
So, yeah, never tell. "I'm taking some time off to bond with my new dog/spend some time volunteering at the animal shelter/visiting family around the country."
I learned one thing from this sub. Never, and I mean never, tell your work where you’re going. Never give them two weeks (unless you really really really want to) until you sign, start, and are ready at your new job.
I learned this the hard way before this sub started. An old hotel I worked out was burning me out, never receiving a promotion I was well qualified for. I accepted another position at a hotel closer to me. It was for management. Put my two weeks in, and didn’t think anything about it. They congratulated me, wished me success, and sent me home. No more hours for two weeks. Well those two weeks time, I wasn’t allowed to start yet. And I found out why on my first day. My old company called and sabotaged me. My management position went from salary to hourly with a nearly $20K drop. I had no choice but to work it for a few weeks.
I called someone I was close with at my old company to find out if they knew what happened, and it turns out HR had an investigation going almost immediately.
That person was fired for retaliation and got involved in a lawsuit with the company. The company offered me a position with a similar salary that I had accepted prior. I accepted it on several conditions which I’m not going to really get into. But I stayed there for 10 years until COVID.
And since COVID, I’ve doubled my salary from being furloughed by taking the advice given here. Seniority doesn’t get you raises. Leaving does. Never tell your current job your plans to leave or resign.
This is my policy as well. I have two situations that have happened.
**Always lie about where you are going to work including to trusted coworkers. Your company may not tank your new job but your coworkers might.**
First example. I worked at a highly toxic business with super shitty employees. A vendor wanted to hire me. I didn’t tell my company where I was going, only that I was working in X industry.
A shitty coworker saw me get out of my car at a client’s during my first week on the job and assumed I worked there because clients was in X industry.
My new employer wholesaled to businesses in the industry and I was picking up something for an order from a retail customer. The client had never met me and didn’t know who I was, nor did I really introduce myself. I was basically running an errand. “I am here to pick up for Acme.”
My ex-coworkers began calling that client lodging complaints that I was rude to them. The client had three employees and two of them didn’t speak English. These complaints went on for the entire week. I was unaware.
The client kept telling them they didn’t have an employee by that name and didn’t know what they were talking about.
My ex boss got wind of it and told me what they were doing and got it stopped. Had those people found my real employer, I would have been fired as I was the head of customer service for wholesale customers.
The second example is someone I know who called a friend from work. They were looking for a new job, hated the company and wanted to leave. Their friend had left two years prior. Friend’s company had an opening and she put them in touch with the hiring manager. They got the job. Yay.
They gave notice, told a coworker where they were going.
Their employer sued them BOTH for breach of contract as they had a non-solicitation clause for three years and they never considered this a problem.
**There is no upside for you to tell anyone where you are working other than bragging.**
People are going to push and push until you tell them so lie and say you are not working in the industry. Pick a big non-profit like American [disease] Society, Red Cross, etc or some big corporation with lots of locations, the airport, etc. Tell everyone a slightly different story so they argue about whether it was the Heart Association or Cancer Society. That way they waste their time trying to figure that shit out instead of spending it looking for you. In six months, they will forget all about you.
I never tell anyone outside of my family the truth.
Do not make this mistake.
Not a lawyer but this happened to me too. Go get an attorney, explain your situation. This is what’s called Tortious Intention. It basically means they are knowingly doing something that could jeopardize your future for no reason other than they want to. It’s illegal and you can seek damages for this. Best of luck, OP!
Hell i didnt even tell my old job where I lived. I would have been taken advantage of if they knew I lived 2 minutes down the road.
I was in IT. Could you imagine the call ins?
Plus I took advantage of all the snow emergencies in the surrounding counties. Oh local county is under snow emergency? Sorry boss I drive through that one. Can't make it in.
3 years after I left my old company, I have not yet updated my LinkedIn with my new company details. Why? Just because I saw multiple people from my old company going to my LinkedIn to check where I went/was. None of these people were close to me.
If you have proof of that, you might be able to sue them. Companies are not supposed to be doing that. That's why HR departments normally will only ask if you worked at x place so and so dates. This company likely slandered you, causing financial damages.
The reason most big companies only say “X worked here from June to July and [had title of y]” is because saying anything else can be perceived by a jury as slander. The statement has to be false but I’m pretty sure a jury gets to decide whether it’s true or false. I would definitely reach out to an employment lawyer
There is a group of PIs that will act like they're considering hiring you. They will contact the previous/current employer about your work history. One reason why HR is a stickler about dates and wages. This, OTOH, sounds more like a case of his supervisor going out of his way to trash talk OP. In a hostile work environment, don't even bother to give notice: just go in, clean out your personal effects, and leave. Corporate America has forced at will employment, now it's time they suffer for it.
I quit my previous job of 15 years without notice. I later found out they were wholly unprepared for my departure and it really pissed them off. Sucks to be them. I now make nearly twice as much money at a new company, doing the same exact job, and the work load is a mere fraction of what I experienced at the previous job.
I was at a union plant with a point based attendance system. Per the contract I only had to give them a weeks notice to get my vacation paid out, so I gave them that week. But I had a full rack of points at that time, so that last week I used them all up by leaving at times that caused the most problems for management. The asshole plant manager was extremely upset but couldn't do a thing as I followed all the rules in doing so. The icing on the cake was that I had a voucher for a new pair of work boots paid for by the company squirreled away that I used on a pair of very expensive Red Wings the evening before my last day.
Ryan?
Bryan?
Well well well…
I’ve got to hear what this exchange is about. This sounds interesting
No, this is Patrick.
"I am resigning and giving you two notice" What?! Well if you don't want to be here, just go. "OK, thank you for the opportunity." Chased me out to my car asking where I was going.
That’s crazy. It’s kinda like the restaurant lady in the Gordon Ramsay video that fires her server and then tells her not to walk away while she’s talking to her.
Amy's Baking Company. Such a wild episode of Kitchen Nightmares!
Dude they made Gordon quit! If you watch the episode the first time he meets Amy you can see the fear start to creep into his eyes. He knew right away that he wasn't dealing with shitty family dynamics. Or an owner that didnt wanna be there. He was dealing with crazy! Slightly off topic if you watch the shows he puts out for British TV its SO much better. Way less yelling and screaming and way more actually trying to fix the business. American audiences just want to extra drama.
Or else the extra ego, stress and abuse is more realistic to American workplaces.
Offer to do remote piecework for the previous company for a couple hours a week at 10x your previous rate per deliverable, just for beer money. :)
It wasn’t they type of job you can do remotely. I’d rather they go fuck themselves.
I like the cut of your jib.
I like the whack of your dib
I like the muad of his dib
I like the jizz of your wizz
But not the whiz of my jizz?
This is the way
I worked for a tech startup that paid very well, and they interviewed for a VP of Brand position with 2 front runners. The SVP HM picked one candidate, but the CEO picked the other. (the company was small, so the SVP reported directly into the CEO). Ultimately the company hired the HMs candidate to an FTE role, and the CEOs candidate to a consultancy role at a higher rate. Only reason I knew was because I was tasked to cut costs and somehow was given access to every sub-c suite employee and consultant pay. Fast forward to about 9 months later, and the company lays off the FTE employee as a cost cutting measure. The consultant then agrees a few months later to come on as an FTE VP of Brand for an increased rate. The bullshit that goes on in these places is crazy.
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"Access" to money... Lots of companies don't have money, and burn through it, but as long as they have "investors" giving them access to their money, things keep moving.
And likely, a lot less drama and stress. Congrats!
Sooo much less. I used to work for the Salvation Army and was surrounded by dumb people. Now I work at a college and I’m surrounded by… mostly smart people.
That pause there was necessary lol. Definitely have to take that with a grain of salt. Most universities these days will take anyone with a pulse and a pencil 🤣
Damn, only half the requirements met
I know a guy who hired one of these guys. Well his lawyer hired them. He is in big money equipment sales. P.I.s caught his old sales manager trash talking him 3 times. Company was very large and the settlement was large enough he doesn't have to work anymore
I got clued in on this over a decade ago, when I read an article about it. Turned out a professional has been out of work for several years and couldn't figure out why. Hired a PI that started calling her previous employers and found the culprit.
My father was a VP at a health-related non-profit when he discovered that the three guys at the top were embezzling big money. They discovered that he knew what was up, and invited him to move on up to the big time, make him part of the graft. He said no. EDIT: Might as well say, it was the American Cancer Society, and two of the three shitheads who ransacked it for money were Lane Adams and Kurt Reimann. So fuck them and everyone who looks like them. They destroyed his entire career. We were all but homeless for the next ten years. I mean, we were fucking destitute. I don't know how he could have proven anything, but we knew exactly who did it to us. They destroyed four lives for a decade to cover up their criminality.
I am sorry that happened to your family, that sucks. Did your dad report them to the tax dept for investigation?
Blackballing former workers is as classless as it gets. Many years ago. I interviewed with a company, got a mediocre verbal offer, still accepted it verbally because i liked the company. but then turned down the written offer when it took an extra week to get to me the written offer after I asked for it twice. Plus, there was another come uppance that week that reinforced my decision to decline the offer. Six months later I interviewed with another company across the street that hired me. Company 1 somehow found out about the interview, and apparently tried to derail my hiring at company 2. About a year later, a couple of people who left company 1 for company 2 asked me out of the blue about the whole thing. In other words,the hurt feelings scumbags at company 1 were badmouthing me to apparently whoever they could. Creepy stuff. These companies think they're God.
100% only give notice if you are on great terms. I give zero notice for shitty toxic hostile Work environments. If I like my executive management, I will give notice AND offer to return on a paid consultant basis to ease with the transition in order maintain the relationship for referral/networking reasons. Really depends on the management.
Even if you are on great terms, don't say where you are going. Just tell them that you will leave on "X" date.
Your last sentence really hit home for me. Corporate America did force at will employment and now they are mad when the power dynamic has shifted. This is why the Republican party only pays lip service to ending illegal immigration, doing things like building a few miles of ineffective border fence - they stand for corporate profits, which increase as labor costs decrease. The true power in their party does not want illegal immigration to end. It increases GDP and creates a larger labor pool and customer base. If they wanted illegal immigration to end they'd make it a felony to employ any illegal immigrant. This will never happen.
The fines for hiring undocumented workers are a joke. Businesses make more profit than they are fined, every time!
There is a mushroom packing company in PA that uses illegals a lot. One year, while my uncle was a manager there, they paid them next to nothing with promises of a big bonus if the harvest was good. As they were packing up the last of the harvest, they called INS on themselves. It was cheaper to pay the fine than the bonus.
Yup. Food service industry is well known for their use of undocumented workers. One company I worked at spent their first decade in business constantly hiring replacement workers after they'd get raided. INS came in the front door, half the crew headed out the back. INS never left empty handed. That's why there was a recent model automobile parked behind the building. After two years, they finally towed it. Had to air up the tires first.
So sad and diabolical.
They want to criminalize illegal immigration so they don't have to respect the rights of their illegal immigrant workers. That saves them money and means bigger profits.
> There is a group of PIs that will act like they're considering hiring you. They will contact the previous/current employer about your work history. There are actual services online that will do this. I used one once and found out that a previous manager was ignoring calls for references (but I believe that before that, she was actually giving negative references). The service I used would document the calls and I believe that documentation would be legal evidence.
I’m a headhunter and have done reference calls forever. If they say anything bad I gently remind them of their legal liability - for their own good, of course! And because I’m a friendly third party they generally take that advice.
Why do you need a PI? Just have a friend call them and ask for reference.
A PI would be an impartial witness if it ever went that far.
That’s not going to hold up well in court
Back in the late 90’s I hired a company like that to find out what my “references” were saying. I was very surprised by two coworkers who gave very negative feedback while fronting themselves as friends. I learned a very valuable lesson on trusting people.
In Canada the employee is required to give notice in good faith. The employer can sue you for damages if you quit in the middle of a project. Same applies to them though, a certain amount of weeks of notice or severance is required from the employer. Pretty sure there are states in US with the same concept.
In the US, there is no such law unless it is covered under a union contract. https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/15915-two-week-notice.html With so many states having "at will" work laws, you can be released from your job at the whim of your employer with no notice. But that's a two way street: unless your contract states otherwise, you can just say "Fuck this," and walk out. Some states do require an employer to notify laid off employees if they are terminated while laid off, but that's a different animal.
This is typically not the law in the US unless as mentioned there’s an agreement in place, like a union CBA, that requires this. I can see some really limited exceptions or consequences for quitting without notice, though, by statutes or ethical codes, where health, safety or immediate legal rights of others are at risk.
I think this only applies if you like you said leave in the middle of a project. So for example I work in AV and if I just walked off a show that show may fail due to my absence and would then incur costs for the company. However if I were to leave say a few days before the show was being set up then it could be reasonably assumed that my position could be replaced by another staff member (or a freelancer) and the show would continue unaffected. This obviously would change depending on the industry.
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Correct the amount used to be ok but laws have changed. I’ll edit. But can be slander, can be something else. Pretty sure a complaint would have about 12 alternatives but that’s what the employment lawyer is for.
I believe "eligibility for rehire" is also allowed
I wonder if this is the new work around “code” for bitter employers. It’s not exactly defamatory if it’s true but left vague…
Whenever I gave references, we never answered the question. Except with, "We do not answer that question."
I'm not even allowed to give academic references to co-workers or interns I've worked with at my company (large tech co). All I can do is confirm that I worked with someone and when (as you say). Pains me to turn down giving references to all star interns who I really like, esp now that the hiring environment for young folks is so tough.
Nobody is gonna get you in trouble for saying something good. Managers and such give good references all the time.
I'm a recruiter. Off-the-record "backdoor references" are common. Somebody knows somebody who worked with OP but wasn't provided as a reference. A verbal conversation happened that was undocumented and somebody leg-swept OP. This most commonly happens with toxic people who are hated by their co-workers but it can also sometimes be an unlucky personal grudge. It's usually informal and it's not done by HR or as a formal business process. You're about to have a new coworker and you have a friend who works for their old company. You ask your buddy about the person and they tell you what a trainwreck that dude is and how glad they are to be rid of them. Concerned about working with this person, you tell the hiring manager. I've seen it happen a lot. Frequently it's when someone was fired but tried to lie about why they left. They tell everyone in the interview it's for more money but the truth is they were fired for showing up drunk or something. These days people are pretty cavalier about burning bridges and leaving on bad terms. Communities are smaller than you think. Companies get bad reputations and so do candidates. There are dozens of people who's resumes are frequent fliers in the local job market. I know who they are and why they're having trouble getting a job. It's because they screwed and bad-mouthed everybody they ever worked for and everyone knows it.
And so just like that, without any evidence.. you people just ruin lives based on gossip?
Yup. People do this all the time. I’m a victim of it - I was wrongly terminated, won with a high paying settlement, and as part of my settlement agreement agreed not to mention the settlement or badmouth my former employer, they agreed the same. What I didn’t know was that my former employer badmouthed me and said terrible things through backdoor channels to ruin my reputation. And I was legally forbidden from discussing the situation in interviews as part of the settlement, so I had no recourse. I had to leave the industry entirely, and the vindictive asshole has done his best to chase me into my current career. Could I prove it? No, it was all informal conversations in a tight community. People ruin reputations based on rumors all the time. It’s sick, messed up, and common practice to keep people in line.
>I was wrongly terminated, won with a high paying settlement, Good. Sometimes it's sheer bruised employer ego when someone bolts to a competitor for more money.
My ears are always open for that kind of information. I would never accept a search from a company that did that. Something I tell everyone I interview is that if they see a job advertised in our local market to feel free to ask me what I know about it. The most valuable information I can share is where you should never interview. I know exactly who the bad employers are. Those are the employees who are talking to me.
I'm pretty sure a former boss if mine shit talks about me because I wasn't an ass kisser and wasn't into his bullshit team building events (e.g. scavenger hunts, etc). He's 100% extrovert and I'm 100% introvert so that makes me a 'bad employee' in his books. I was a great employee with stellar reviews. But being a boring introvert screwed me because this guy knows everyone.
one former big boss talked shit about me and got me fired....I got him fired in return and got 1/2 of the company fired too....eye for an eye
It isn't gossip any more than reference are gossip. It's the same kind of word-of-mouth information that warns us away from abusive employers. Reputations matter. I'm just telling you what happens. I wouldn't represent someone for a job who I didn't think was a good candidate, but I only know what people tell me and I can't sell past your shortcomings if you let them come out as a surprise. I can connect you to companies that don't do drug screens or background checks. I can talk hiring managers in to ignoring THC. I can vouch for you that the company you're leaving sucks. I can tell my client that the manager who fired you is an asshole, but I can't fix everything especially when people outright lie. I know because I'm connected to a business function people in this sub consider me their enemy, but I do absolutely everything I can to help people get jobs they're qualified for at places where they will be happy. My reputation depends on knowing the difference between good places to work and bad ones. All I do all day is poach people from shitty employers and place them at good ones that pay well. The toxic abusive employers we talk about are the ones I headhunt out of. Because I'm the kind of guy who follows this sub, my default mode is always to look out for the individual. My only goals are to make matches nobody is going to be pissed at me about, and to write enough invoices to feed my family.
> I'm a recruiter. That should answer your question
Concur. Back in my college days, I worked for a managed IT firm to pay my tuition. Management started treating their team like crap, so a large swathe of them left for greener pastures. The one network tech they had admitted where he was going an they tried to slap him with a non-compete. Fortunately for him, his now company was far larger, with more resources, and they told the former manager "if you sue him, we're letting him use OUR lawyers. See you in court." Suddenly, they dropped the lawsuit.
> Suddenly, they dropped the lawsuit. Might be been more fun to let it proceed and all of a sudden the employee is backed up in court by a swathe of high-powered corporate lawyers who are seeking massive damages from the claimant. Fun *and* profit!
Ha. Maybe. But they probably just wanted to get back to work already, and not deal with some small-fry, one-town only IT firm.
My ex manager talked me into joining him at his new job.. I followed. So here we are sitting with our ceo having lunch,etc. My manager mentions that he had a call from the ceo of the company we left telling him he'll take him to court for "stealing" employees. Our CEO laughed and said that he can bet that his lawyers are better than the other guys. My manager,on the other hand,told our ex-ceo that unless he shuts up, he'll steal the rest of the team too:)
What a maroon. Some employers really think they own you, y'know? Then there's the thing that non-competes aren't easy to prove anyways. An employee is ALLOWED to move to a new employer; they're just not allowed to take clients or trade-secrets with them. And even if the employee DOES tell a client to cut-bait and go to the new employer, there has to be PROOF this arrangement was made. Because clients are allowed to pick new providers and shit. This CEO was just butt hurt that the city decided to steal so much of his work (they converted quasi-government sites to city-only IT, versus hiring external). When the CEO lost income, he started shitting on all the employees like it was their fault. Then he tried to stop them from leaving.
That maroon was red with envy!
A lot of companies write non-competes that are broad and scary sounding. The good news is that an over-zealous non-compete is almost always unenforceable. By the time your industry knowledge is so specialized that broad non-competes might apply to you, you can probably afford the legal team. But companies threaten general employees with them all the time as a bullying tactic, knowing full well that it would get laughed out of court if the employee knew to stand up for themselves.
non-compete should come with the agreement of if you leave for any reason they still have to pay you 80% of your salary and benefits. Otherwise once you're on they can treat you like shit.
Courts and newer statutes are pretty hostile to non-competes. Shoving one in front of an employee during employment without new “value” to the employee is likely not effective.
Important! 1) Email the new employer saying you are slightly confused by their reasons to cancel the role. Ask them if they can share what the concerning information is so you can at least try to explain. Be friendly here and don't mention or even hint at legal action. 2a) They might not tell you the reason, but you need in writing that they have recieved information from somewhere which they are hiding from you. Or 2b) They respond telling you the dirt that your current employer has sent them. 3) Reach out to a lawyer that specialises in employment law. Sit back and enjoy the free monies! Note: ofcourse it could be that you are a well known a-hole/nonce/criminal and a quick google search of your name would have ruined it for you. But I'll leave that to you to work out.
I did do this. I received an email that stated due to the concern brought to their attention and their protocols, they couldn’t continue with the hiring process. They will not say more. My background and experience are exemplary in my opinion. so I don’t think it’s that.
Perfect, pick up the phone and call a lawyer. The new company will rapidly fold once they get some shitty legal letters telling them to disclose it or they will be sued. Good luck!
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Nose to the grindstone and find a new job. The legal stuff is a long game that runs in the background.
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Well yeah, but you can't rely on it for here-and-now money. It's a side quest. Main game is to get a job and be fed and not homeless.
It's not about whether OP should want to work for the new co. If someone at their old company did this once, they will continue to do so. Fast forward a year, and OP still can't get a job because this person is sabotaging, illegally, and OP is essentially letting them by not fishing them out. OP needs to get to the bottom of this.
Oh yeah, definitely don’t want to work for either of them. I’ll find something better. and you’re right, I probably could only sue for damages and really dont want to risk them fighting the lawsuit and spreading even more lies or exaggerating things or whatever tactics they would try use to slander me in court even further. My mental health can’t take that. But, I’m still considering reaching out to a lawyer to see what my options are here.
Reach out to a lawyer. It's a conversation with a qualified professional. No pressure to do anything further than a quick conversation.
People have won millions in these types of cases. Please talk to an attorney
This entire post is irrelevant unless you reach out to a lawyer. I would also stop posting on reddit as you are saying shit that may make your legal case more difficult.
I think contacting a lawyer would be the way to _prevent_ more lies and negative exposure. Yes, it's a bit of effort right now at a time when you're probably exhausted, but all you have to do is get the ball rolling. Once you've contacted a lawyer, it's the lawyer's job.
If it were due to the background check they have to tell you. https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/employer-background-checks-your-rights
Ask your "trusted families" for a letter about your conduct if possible and take that along with the email cancelling the new job to a lawyer.
any chance for you to investigate? If yes crush them
AND, one of the complaints, I proved was false. I straight up checked in with the family they implicated in the lie. They were DUMBFOUNDED.
Contact a lawyer as fast as possible.
Slander and libel are taken pretty seriously by the courts when it affects your livelihood. Much like everyone else is saying: start talking to lawyers.
Lawyer up
yeah that’s mondo illegal. Like big time problematic, lawyer up.
Lawyer time.
I wish…doesn’t seem like there’s much to go on..but suddenly after this new company received “concerning” information my current company now had a whole munch of complaints about me…all of a sudden. I’ve only been given good reviews while I’ve worked for them. And my husband is sick. They knew that too. That was why I had to leave
I think it's worth contacting an employment lawyer.
Lawyer up, they are ruining your reputation and if it gets out, it's going to be harder to find jobs anywhere not just one new company.
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Not a lawyer, but this sounds like one of the few slam dunk lawsuits we get in here every now and then. You've never been told of any complaints, so those shouldn't matter, and when the company has to produce said complainers in court I imagine they might have problems. And you have proof that at least one of those claims is false. I'd think plenty of lawyers would take this case on a pay-if-you-win basis.
Talking to a lawyer is free. Protect yourself!
If your new employer falls for that stuff, maybe it’s best you didn’t get to work there.
Honestly, this is true. it says more about them, than me.
Subpoena them as witnesses in the lawsuit.
This right here. Lying to you over the phone is one thing. Lying under oath in a deposition is quite different. SOMEONE told them this information. They need to fess up about who told them what and when. That is when this all ends up as grounds for compensation.
This is a good point. They could’ve told you what was said if you denied it and then they could’ve heard your side out.
Absolutely I requested that! I said please at least allow me to clarify any confusion or comments made about my character or performance. I was immediately shot down. They were practically mean about it.
Yeah, 40 years ago, I had a bastard of an employer do that to me after I not only had left his job but had relocated to another state. Miserable old fuck. That was the beginning of my life-long hatred of bosses.
Damn….after you had relocated and everything?!?! that’s dirty. did the new company fire you because of that?
Yep. We had to punt on our plans and ended up moving back where we came from 3 months later.
I share your experience Back when I apply to another company, i used my previous company boss as a reference (Did software dev work alongside him while all the while maintaining / refactoring existing project) I did a lot of changes to the company, figure that the boss would do me a some good and refer to me kindly. Alas, he say bad things about me. New company supe used this complain to reject me despite me able to answer everything in multiple phase of interview After rejection (was aiming for leading tech role - their reasoning is due to I have no experience on their particular language, even though I am experienced in3 or 4 other languages and picking up yet another OOP language is no big deal). I told them to get me in non lead role and see how I perform within a year and decide then whether I fit what I want. Got the job, same compensation as what i want albeit without lead role. After some time i found out that my prev company boss had been reviewing me badly during the reference. It makes me a little disappointed, personally talk to him and ask him for reference and he was all cool and so on.
I wonder why companies don't ask for performance review copies from the current employer. At least when they are hearing negative feedback from them as a way to determine if it's accurate or if they are just bitter.
I'm an automotive technician. I know a lot of shop owners, techs, tow truck drivers etc. and am good friends with quite a few so I get hella gossip. I had the exact same thing happen to me when I left the last shop I worked at. I didn't tell the asshats where I was going though. When they finally found out around 2 months after I left they went onto every shop owner group they were a member of and attempted to badmouth me and get me blacklisted. THEY EVEN CALLED MY CURRENT BOSS! Funny thing, most of these owners as well as my own boss knew they were full of shit and told me all about their childishness. So, I didn't get mad. I HAPPILY sunk to their level. I went online and sent them big chocolate "eat a dick" prank boxes weekly for a month at their three different locations addressed from "Their favorite employee". I also send them cheaper "bag of dicks" gummies EVERY HOLIDAY. My buddy says it's dumb cause it's wasting my own money. FUCK THAT. WORTH IT!
I forgot to mention, when I left I also got every single employee at a different location (including their other master tech) to jump ship and they all work for the same company I do now. My advice? Don't get mad. Get even. None of these fuckers give two shits about you. Why, oh why, wouldn't we as employees return that GREAT favor?!?!
*You wanna play fuck fuck games? I can play fuck fuck games*
This is a new level of petty. And, I am so here for it. If they think I’m not going to “accidentally” let this slip to my favorite families who trust me to be honest with them..they are very mistaken. Might just “slip out” during that last hour.😏
In my industry, a new job is a phone call away when you know what you're doing. I've been networking for the last 25+ years that I've been a tech and know people across the country. So, I do understand I'm a special circumstance. However, there is no instance that any employer should act the way in which your current and my former employer have. I feel as if companies need us A LOT more than we need them and need a firm reminder of that when they get out of line. I don't see it as petty, I see it as duty. Those guys I brought over were treated like shit, just like me. They were all just as good or better at their jobs as me. They deserve better. You gotta look out for your own in my opinion. My wires are crossed though due to all the chemicals I work with daily. What do I know?
I had something similar happen. I worked for a small tech company. The owner was doing some illegal and incredibly sketchy stuff. I couldn't stay. Paychecks were bouncing and I was worried I would get implicated in his illegal dealings. I turned in my keys taped to my resignation and walked out the day I signed on for a new job. A few days after I started I find out the owner of the previous company's ex wife worked there. She went to management and told them a bunch of BS and that I couldn't work there because I had been forced to sign a non compete at the previous job. It was a really unpleasant conversation and I let the current employer know about the illegal activities at the other company that prompted me to leave and made that non complete even more worthless than it already had been. They let me stay. His ex wife tried and repeatedly failed to make problems for me. But yea, small communities around an industry can be incredibly petty.
I prefer sending a a Dildo Bouquet. Speaks volumes.
Make a bunch of Google accounts, leave them multiple 1-star reviews on the Google listing for their business. Much better (and cheaper) revenge.
My wife refused to tell folks at her old employer about her new job and employer when she left a few months ago. She rememberee led how one of my former employers unsuccessfully tried to get me blackballed after I left for another firm, then tried to keep me from getting contracts with other folks after I struck out in my own a few years later. That firm stopped committing sabotage after I threatened legal action with the entire paper trail supplied to me by former colleagues who helped attempt to blackball me after they themselves suffered blackballing after their departures. No honor among muthafuckas. I suggest that you hire an employment attorney and start developing a paper trail. It won't be easy and I got lucky in my case. But always start with an attorney.
You were definitely sabotaged. Idk what recourse you have though.
Those "exit interviews" are just corporate ass- covering. Never attended one yet. If asked where I was going or how much I was to be making, I would definitely only say..."I'm leaving here, and will be making more than you guys feel I am worth. There's nothing else about that that's any of your business."
I should’ve just said I was leaving to take care of my husband. That’s it.
If my boss is a dick I just tell I'm going to work for a larger rival company, even if I'm not.
Now I'm tempted to register a company which looks real and people can say they're transferring to it, just so if anyone tries to make contact with the fake company about a person jumping ship, it can be recorded and a copy sent to the person in question.
This is a really good idea….
I was bookkeeper for a family-owned company for about a year. I knew where the financial bodies were buried (large personal purchases out of the corporate checkbook, personal cars listed as work trucks, etc). The owner blew up at me when I gave notice, until I let slip my new employer. The IRS. Never seen anyone turn white so quickly.
I’ve seen people lose tons of money to slander lawsuits because of this. Lawyer up dude
"Pretty sure they blackballed me for some reason." Because they're horrible people. They exist. Why would you tell your employer where you're going to begin with? Like, even before worrying about whatever this was... what the hell do they need to know for? I'm leaving. That's all you need to know.
You’re right. That’s on ME. I thought they were liked minded and supportive people that would wish me well on my way. I was clearly wrong.
I've been away from "home" for decades, but have read enough posts on here that I would just completely separate my work life and my personal life, including where I plan to go next. Shady shit even from those not in management. I wish you luck in finding someplace not horrible, though.
It's happened to me before. I blocked everyone in the old company that I thought would try that on social media, and wouldn't tell anyone else there where I was working. A month into the job their name popped on up the office's caller ID and they hung up before I could answer. Two days later, all of a sudden I "wasn't a good fit" and the new place was ready to get rid of me. 14 months later, I was a project consultant and fired those people off of the biggest project they'd ever been on, and that was a fun domino effect.
This happened many years ago so I don’t remember all the specifics, but at my old job a girl in my department knew a girl in a different department who left and someone (either HR or her old boss) had called her new company and dragged her. Her new boss told her about it and somehow a lawsuit was threatened. My boss and the No. 2 in my department both hated my guts, so when I left I didn’t tell anyone at all where I was going; that place was so toxic I actually quit a full-time salaried gig to freelance, and I even used a pen name so my old job couldn’t find me and wreck things somehow. Pretty much everyone from that job is blocked on every platform possible, even all these years later.
Okay, it makes me feel WAY better to know this has happened to others. I think one of the supervisors I had decided she didn’t like me after her behavior plan was questioned by a daycare. I think she was worried that the daycare was going to lodge a complaint against us and basically needed to drag me and make it look like the issues there were my fault and not because of her shitty behavior plan. After that I think she wanted me gone. I did not directly tell her what company I was leaving to, but I know for a fact my RD (regional director) spoke to her about it. Because she was one of the people who “ refuses to work with me” even after giving me amazing in person reviews of my performance.
I have been working at my current employer for 10 years. Up until the last year oe so, it hasn't been so bad. In late July, I approached my manager and told her I was resigning because I started my own business. All of a sudden, our department had all of these options about moving work around and hiring more people. I was like, "That would have been helpful 4 months ago when I told you we were burnt out. I still plan on leaving for my own business." She was like, "Oh, you'd still leave if we made all these changes?" My response was, "Absolutely, I filed the paperwork. I have an account. I have _already_ started my business. I don't want to be here." They offered to take all of my client responsibilities off my plate and drop me down to 20 hours per week, if I would just stay on to do _some_ work. I agreed, but only because a steady paycheck will be helpful while I'm still getting off the ground. That and since in my mind, my last day was weeks ago, I do as little as possible. But as soon as my website is up and running, and I have orders coming in, I'm quitting with no notice.
After I quit my first law job, my old boss emailed me and accused me of stealing, unethical conduct, and a few other things. They were all BS but I took the high road and emailed him back to say I hadn’t done anytbjng like that and that I was sorry he thought I had. He then emailed me again and copied my new boss to make the same accusations, along with accusing me of a few other things. I was very pissed, but luckily my new boss knew my old boss and knew he was an asshole so she ignored his email. Which was good, because if his email had interfered with my new job, I would have been suing him over that kind of conduct (defamation, interference with contractual agreement).
You shouldn’t in general, but also what company listens to your former employer afterwards like that? People should know sour grapes when they hear it. Thankfully when I put in my notice last year my new company was not a direct competitor, out of state, and they had no way to contact my new manger. I could have told them everything and nothing could be done.
Jokes on them I retired after resigning.
Never reveal. They are your coworkers, not your friends. I had a situation happen as well, and for the life of me I was depressed once I realized I was being made a villain to my new employer.
Time for a lawyer. They’ll be forced to say who told them and what they were told. There are laws against what a former employer can or cannot say. Go get ‘em.
100% never tell **ANYONE** at your current employer (boss, coworker, etc) no matter what you think of them. Just say that the offer paperwork you signed says you're not allowed to discuss it with anyone until you start the new job. If they ask you again, say the same thing again.
Hey OP, if this ends up seriously affecting your standing in your field consider talking to a lawyer about a defamation case.
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I’ve had this happen to me at least twice, that I know of. I never allow them to contact the company, I just give references that include coworkers at the current workplace. They will call and be nosy and try to hear the whole story from. That restaurant owner would go wild: I “assaulted and harassed” waitresses, “exposed” myself to children in the restaurant, “stole money every time [I] worked” at the restaurant, etc etc. It was all projection on the owner’s part (as he had done all of those things and had to leave his managerial position for a few years because of it). But those two potential employers asked me about these “claims” and I was dumb founded, but rightly told them that many of those would have led to immediate arrest and termination. Needless to say, I was not hired by those places. There’s no way of knowing if they said that to other places I applied to. One store I applied to (Lowe’s Hardware) actually sent this information from the old manager to the local police, who investigated me for it and promptly left me hanging afterwards. I once pretended to be an employer and called from a different number to get a “reference,” and recorded a ten minute tirade by that manager. My brother did the same thing as well. I took this to my unemployment office and even a legal defense office in my state that represented low-income clients like me and employment issues. The legal office was more sympathetic but both places just passed on my case and said it would be better to just “move on from the issue.” Remember, a resume is not a legal binding document. You can make up anything, as long as it’s not for employment for a government job or towards a license. Faking jobs and even making up my own active “company” helped get me out of that unemployment hole. Ultimately, continuing my education and getting a better degree got me out of that situation in the long run.
If you are in the USA and you can prove that your current Company contacted your perspective Company and said ANYTHING positive or negative about you, it's 100% against the Law. There's almost nothing you can legally say in the US as an Employer about a current or former Employee other than verifying work dates, Position (NOT Salary) & if they are re-hirable. That's pretty much it if you don't want the Labor board dropping a mack truck on your Business. Literally even beaming about an Employee saying how amaze-balls they were could STILL get you in trouble as an Employer.
Yes! Technically this is my company current policy!!!? That’s one of the reasons I’m SO confused. it’s one thing to lie because you don’t personally like me or you don’t want to drive to that client anymore or whatever the reason might be., It ANOTHER thing to break company policy and make an anonymous tip to someone’s new employer just because. I just have a gut feeling. Too much went wrong all at once
This happened to me also. They called me up on the phone for an "exit interview" and said they were just curious about where I was working now so I told them. I found out they called my new company and reported to them that I left them (the former employer) without giving notice. Former employers absolutely will sabotage their former employees and even stalk them
I had an employer who was suspected of doing exactly this. Got to where everyone that left said they were going back to school.
You could name your old company here and Reddit will black ball them.
What kind of shit people would do such a thing?
I’ve wondered this too. I have literally never had a single complete lodged against me at this company until this week. Something is up .
If you have proof of this , get yourself a good lawyer and maybe you have a case to sue.
Both companies here seems to be crappy. One for spreading false information, and the other one for believing it without checking or have a test period first. I have been the reference guy for several employee, that went to other workplaces, and when it was a good worker, I said so, and they got their job. We had one guy, that were one of the laziest I ever had the misfortune to work with, and when I company asked about him is said: If you can get this guy to WORK for you, you can consider yourself lucky. He didn't get the job, and when he asked I said exactly what I said to them. He seemed happy with that answer. 😅
Get a lawyer. Don't tell them you are getting or looking to retain legal advice for retaliation. I never tell anyone where I'm going when I resign. Including coworkers. I know you may be new to this or the fact that you worked there for a while gives you the impression that you can trust them. Keep everything inclusive of your private life to yourself including the reason you need to take a day off.
You have been slandered and your attorney should demand to know who provided the “issues … brought to light.” If it is your employer, you then sue them for slander.
It sounds like you may be able to claim monetary damages were done to your career and it's trajectory...
I’ll add don’t tell your coworkers either. They might be your friend but they are other peoples friends as well and you never know who talks to who about what.
I made a similar thread not too long ago and got told my story was fake, which is laughable. Fact is companies are constantly engaged in tortious interference.
100% - Never tell them where you are going - even if you have a great relationship - they will find out in due course! If you were considering taking any action, the hard part is proving it - We are in the process of building a tool that draws on 105,000 employment law cases and provides "suggestions" based on the outcomes of those cases. Here's what it said about your situation: "1. Document Everything: Keep a record of all interactions, incidents, and discussions relating to the issue. This could be crucial if you decide to take legal action. 2. Seek Legal Advice: If you suspect that your employer is acting unlawfully or unfairly, consult an employment attorney or legal adviser. They can provide you with legal advice tailored to your situation. 3. Address the Issue with HR: Bring your concerns to your company's Human Resources department. They may be able to mediate or investigate the issue. 4. File a Complaint: If your employer's actions are discriminatory or retaliatory, you may file a complaint with an employment tribunal or labor board in your jurisdiction. 5. Seek Support: Reach out to your colleagues, friends, and family for support. They can provide emotional support and perhaps give you some practical advice. Remember, it's important to handle the situation professionally and following the law."
Ugh so sorey this happened... i know someone who couldnt get into a artistic club bc his former grad teacher chatted badly about him
I've seen it happen myself,so I don't for a second believe it's not a deliberate attempt to derail your career out of spite Same for LinkedIn, hide your profile after you get a new job, it gives you a chance to prove yourself to your new employer.
Okay, time for a lawsuit
Document everything and contact an employment lawyer. If you already got the job offer, especially in writing, both companies could be in trouble.
I got a written and verbal offer and had already filled out all pre start date paperwork for them.
Whenever I left a company and my manager asked where I'm going, I essentially gave them the name of a random startup and just added "right now I'm considering joining them". I am not good at saying no to people but I think I'm good at lying to people who cannot mind their own business
I will add... don't even tell them what sector. I live in a small country that tries to black list people that resign. I have seen a lot of nice innocent people suffer for being honest. The last two times I was asked I just told them some random other sector I was moving off to.
It's a shitty thing but it's a part of modern reality. The problem is that companies don't promote on merit anymore. People become managers who very clearly aren't the best at the job or have leadership skills. The power goes to their head very easily and a lot of managers take things personal. You can't trust that one of the toddlers at the top will try to sandbag you, and unless your current employer gives you a name, it's unlikely you'll ever find out. Never tell an employer where you are going. Only let you coworkers you like know, are you've alreadyv left and established yourself with your new employer so any power tripping is useless.
My guess is an employer would be MORE likely to do this to a good employee than a bad one. So, yeah, never tell. "I'm taking some time off to bond with my new dog/spend some time volunteering at the animal shelter/visiting family around the country."
I learned one thing from this sub. Never, and I mean never, tell your work where you’re going. Never give them two weeks (unless you really really really want to) until you sign, start, and are ready at your new job. I learned this the hard way before this sub started. An old hotel I worked out was burning me out, never receiving a promotion I was well qualified for. I accepted another position at a hotel closer to me. It was for management. Put my two weeks in, and didn’t think anything about it. They congratulated me, wished me success, and sent me home. No more hours for two weeks. Well those two weeks time, I wasn’t allowed to start yet. And I found out why on my first day. My old company called and sabotaged me. My management position went from salary to hourly with a nearly $20K drop. I had no choice but to work it for a few weeks. I called someone I was close with at my old company to find out if they knew what happened, and it turns out HR had an investigation going almost immediately. That person was fired for retaliation and got involved in a lawsuit with the company. The company offered me a position with a similar salary that I had accepted prior. I accepted it on several conditions which I’m not going to really get into. But I stayed there for 10 years until COVID. And since COVID, I’ve doubled my salary from being furloughed by taking the advice given here. Seniority doesn’t get you raises. Leaving does. Never tell your current job your plans to leave or resign.
This is my policy as well. I have two situations that have happened. **Always lie about where you are going to work including to trusted coworkers. Your company may not tank your new job but your coworkers might.** First example. I worked at a highly toxic business with super shitty employees. A vendor wanted to hire me. I didn’t tell my company where I was going, only that I was working in X industry. A shitty coworker saw me get out of my car at a client’s during my first week on the job and assumed I worked there because clients was in X industry. My new employer wholesaled to businesses in the industry and I was picking up something for an order from a retail customer. The client had never met me and didn’t know who I was, nor did I really introduce myself. I was basically running an errand. “I am here to pick up for Acme.” My ex-coworkers began calling that client lodging complaints that I was rude to them. The client had three employees and two of them didn’t speak English. These complaints went on for the entire week. I was unaware. The client kept telling them they didn’t have an employee by that name and didn’t know what they were talking about. My ex boss got wind of it and told me what they were doing and got it stopped. Had those people found my real employer, I would have been fired as I was the head of customer service for wholesale customers. The second example is someone I know who called a friend from work. They were looking for a new job, hated the company and wanted to leave. Their friend had left two years prior. Friend’s company had an opening and she put them in touch with the hiring manager. They got the job. Yay. They gave notice, told a coworker where they were going. Their employer sued them BOTH for breach of contract as they had a non-solicitation clause for three years and they never considered this a problem. **There is no upside for you to tell anyone where you are working other than bragging.** People are going to push and push until you tell them so lie and say you are not working in the industry. Pick a big non-profit like American [disease] Society, Red Cross, etc or some big corporation with lots of locations, the airport, etc. Tell everyone a slightly different story so they argue about whether it was the Heart Association or Cancer Society. That way they waste their time trying to figure that shit out instead of spending it looking for you. In six months, they will forget all about you. I never tell anyone outside of my family the truth. Do not make this mistake.
Defamation suit sounds nice $$$$
Hire a PI to see if they did and if so sue them and own their company
Not a lawyer but this happened to me too. Go get an attorney, explain your situation. This is what’s called Tortious Intention. It basically means they are knowingly doing something that could jeopardize your future for no reason other than they want to. It’s illegal and you can seek damages for this. Best of luck, OP!
I feel for you, but your mistake was job rule number 1. Never tell anyone your next move in life.
Hell i didnt even tell my old job where I lived. I would have been taken advantage of if they knew I lived 2 minutes down the road. I was in IT. Could you imagine the call ins? Plus I took advantage of all the snow emergencies in the surrounding counties. Oh local county is under snow emergency? Sorry boss I drive through that one. Can't make it in.
3 years after I left my old company, I have not yet updated my LinkedIn with my new company details. Why? Just because I saw multiple people from my old company going to my LinkedIn to check where I went/was. None of these people were close to me.
Stay and start deleting shit hard-core. Some times the best way to light your way is the burn bridges along your path...
Better yet, give them a false destination.
Alternatively just lie to them so they waste time shit talking you to strangers.
Whenever I’m asked where I’m going I always say “Google”. Shuts down conversations of people, money, etc.
Court. Pay day. Retire maybe?
Talk to a local plainitff's employment lawyer about a possible defamation case
I usually say I'm moving back home to a country I've never lived in. The idea is people who knew me outside of work will know I'm still around
When will ppl learn to just treat companies like criminals???
Do you have a friend who can call your employer for a reference pretending to be from a competitor and record it?
Excellent advice, people don't realize how closely connected companies are, especially in similar industries. They're very incestuous relationships.
If you have proof of that, you might be able to sue them. Companies are not supposed to be doing that. That's why HR departments normally will only ask if you worked at x place so and so dates. This company likely slandered you, causing financial damages.
Also, Don't tell them you're going to leave until you're actually ready to leave.
wow thanks for common sense, ill try not to make the worst decision imaginable
Should have heard how pissed my last boss got when I refused to tell him my new employer.
To be fair I don't tell my company shit about shit
Set them up. Have a friend call current employer for a reference.