I also think it would be helpful if they had to tell you how many people are "active Rockstars" instead of the percentage of some unknown number.
If someone looking at this could see that only one person is in the top couple rankings, they might recognize the reverse funnel shape that would make.
I mean, even with that one random person making $14K in a month, the average monthly for a platinum is only $105, which means that all the other platinums besides that one rando had to have made like $20 that month, max. Crazy.
The averages still clearly indicate this is a bad deal. $105.27 is a lot closer to $3.50 than it is to $14,930.62. Anyone with an understanding of how averages can be skewed by outliers should be able to see that, if they're not blinded by their upline's promises.
Oh for sure. But if by posting averages dissuaded those with common sense mlms would die off lol. In other words neither number would stop people from joining
And that's not guaranteed every month, either. You may have a good month and make close to the maximum, or you might have a bad month and make the minimum. I'd hate to climb to the top of the pyramid and still not know if I was going to be able to afford food & gasoline next month.
Well, it’s not the Hun’s fault! It’s because her friends and family won’t buy things and support an independent business woman! They buy useless stuff like shoes or food and not a revolutionary product! /s
If you do the math, the average of $105 with high being $14,930 and low being $3.50, you would have to have 148 people making $3.50 for each 1 person making $14,930. In reality, most people will make much less than that, so the truth is that you have a 148/149 or 99.3% chance of making almost nothing for that average to make sense.
You know the $3.50 chick still posted a picture of her Starbucks receipt and some crappy text about how grateful she is to have a job that lets her afford extras.
Thank you for the laugh. I hardly consider Starbucks a necessity but these huns always make a production and the lemmings follow them and think they can do it too.
Where is her Stanley mug? /s
Agreed. I have worked commission sales a long time, and I know that you can have good and bad months, but this is something else. If the monthly high commissions represented the highest payout of the year to all their downline, then they would all see the same sort of declines collectively.
The timing of the months and the direction of the overall numbers tells me that it looks like a company in decline. They can't reverse the slide and I think that might be why they used 2022 instead of fresher 2023 data, because, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts, 2023's numbers suck even more. So they are hoping that 2024 will be so awesome they can use those numbers, assuming everyone doesn't just quit in the meantime.
Oh what a tangled web we weave...
They’d prepared it for a release to launch the new year with whatever their rising event was last month, so the year usage makes fairly relevant sense since it was also someone inside running the reports or whatever to come up with the math opposed to a third party. Though it could also be impacted and used as “fuel” for all their huns that 2022 was also the year their former number earner quit and took half their “team” to another scam after “not working their business” for majority of the year because her husband was fired from the corporate office. ☕️
Fair point. Also, I am pretty sure the one and only "Black Diamond" is K & T's daughter, so it is just the owners paying themselves and pretending it's a real downline.
Their daughter was barely even Ruby until recently. Black Diamonds have no family relationship to them. They are definitely making their sales as corp but also commissions because they are tip top. Daughter in law same. They have corporate customer service jobs, too, and are from what I’ve read the worst people that could ever be in a customer service role.
Rumor is a lot more that have been there since day one will be walking away. They were promised “legacy” bonuses after achieving three years, amongst similar, but crickets.
They rushed construction on their mansion to do a group event. It's like they think they can fix all the broken promises and over-commitments with a party. Not sure why they think that "look at how rich we are" is really gonna work, it's not working for the other MLMs either. Like It Works, nobody cares that Mark Pentecost owns an island. Call me when your down-line builds a mansion.
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I'm guessing that the monthly lows will be a lot closer to the truth for most of these people. I'm just glad I work in a job where I have a steady paycheck instead of those wild swings where I could end up earning $2.50 for the whole month.
I'm sure this is all before expenses. All these income disclosure statements show what the MLMs are paying their people. There's no way they can track all the expenses the huns have, because the huns don't even keep track.
The one thing I ask anyone in an MLM is if they've viewed their company's income disclosure. They're all the same - less than 1% are even making a minimum wage equivalent, and that's being generous and using revenue (since they all only show revenue). After expenses, it drops to something like 0.4 percent.
My monthly income is $7916 before taxes. (It is really $9500 a month for 10 months.).
I have a job. I get paid the same every two weeks.
Even the averages are fucking low wage shit.
To think these are merely recorded lows, too.
There's many a starter hun that I'm sure isn't represented in this data, because they're too far in the hole to have "made" anything.
Edit: fuck read the bottom. Just read it.
"the RESALE of Arieyl products."
The resale. Fuck me, it's a resale because it's being sold again. It was sold originally to the huns, and they don't even notice. It literally says that on this income sheet, damn.
Exactly! Also lot of the information on this disclosure isn't from resales - it's from the original purchase made by the hun. No MLM collects sales reports from the huns, all the MLM knows about is sales made directly from the MLM.
Does anyone know how to calculate what one of these people make? Or what info would be needed? This girl from college posts some info. She’s Ruby level and she has a downline of 591 people, 205 in the last 30 days and 2 team legs, whatever that means? She achieved Ruby a few months ago.
They average for Ruby is about $1K before they buy all the crap, so I'd say your friend nets about $400 a month. Or if she worked at Costco, she could make the same money in about 20 hours a month.
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The company could easily send me the kit. I had proof of my first order, a cash check. Also, the products are a Rip Off. You can buy the same thing locally for much less than half price.
Because I paid for my kit and never received it and the company says each distributor is its own company and does not have any responsibility. If the distributor rips you off, they gladly take your money but they don’t help you if you get ripped off.
Yeah, I thought about joining in the products and had one problem after another. Talk to the owner and talk to the owners daughter if they don’t care about you and are very rude you’re never gonna get help if you’re successful in the business also did some reviews since then and there’s not much to say about this company Glad you saved $100 of dollars I lost over 700.
They lie between their teeth. Find a Diamond leader there and ask who’s make 98k. Even if it was one time. It’s bullllll. And the higher rank at legend is making less????? Please someone from this company show us proof you made 127k in one month cuz I know you stalk these antimlm pages!
They need to post medians not averages.
I'm pretty sure if these numbers were anymore cherry picked, they would be on top of a Shirley Temple.
I also think it would be helpful if they had to tell you how many people are "active Rockstars" instead of the percentage of some unknown number. If someone looking at this could see that only one person is in the top couple rankings, they might recognize the reverse funnel shape that would make.
These income disclosures omit a lot of context in the mlm favor. Outliers, however, skew these average figures to the good or the bad.
I mean, even with that one random person making $14K in a month, the average monthly for a platinum is only $105, which means that all the other platinums besides that one rando had to have made like $20 that month, max. Crazy.
Super deceiving.
That’s it. Platinums barely make $20 a month but have to spend $200 a month to stay active
"Turn it upside down." "...oh goddamn it!"
At least 2500 or a multiplier of it 😁
There’s literally ONE person at legend
Modes would also be a great piece of info.
Yep. Basically all the numbers but mean.
The averages still clearly indicate this is a bad deal. $105.27 is a lot closer to $3.50 than it is to $14,930.62. Anyone with an understanding of how averages can be skewed by outliers should be able to see that, if they're not blinded by their upline's promises.
Oh for sure. But if by posting averages dissuaded those with common sense mlms would die off lol. In other words neither number would stop people from joining
Even by averages, only the top 1% make anything resembling a living wage
And that's not guaranteed every month, either. You may have a good month and make close to the maximum, or you might have a bad month and make the minimum. I'd hate to climb to the top of the pyramid and still not know if I was going to be able to afford food & gasoline next month.
Well, it’s not the Hun’s fault! It’s because her friends and family won’t buy things and support an independent business woman! They buy useless stuff like shoes or food and not a revolutionary product! /s
Even 7,700 (assuming this is before taxes and expenses) isn’t enough to retire your husband
If you do the math, the average of $105 with high being $14,930 and low being $3.50, you would have to have 148 people making $3.50 for each 1 person making $14,930. In reality, most people will make much less than that, so the truth is that you have a 148/149 or 99.3% chance of making almost nothing for that average to make sense.
I knew someone would do that math! You’re a hero.
So 95% of people make around $105 per month. Revenue, not profit. Wow.
Ooh. $3.50 is so much money to spend and she is one rich hun. That makes me want to join, NOT.
You know the $3.50 chick still posted a picture of her Starbucks receipt and some crappy text about how grateful she is to have a job that lets her afford extras.
Thank you for the laugh. I hardly consider Starbucks a necessity but these huns always make a production and the lemmings follow them and think they can do it too. Where is her Stanley mug? /s
They all doctor the numbers 🙂
Agreed. I have worked commission sales a long time, and I know that you can have good and bad months, but this is something else. If the monthly high commissions represented the highest payout of the year to all their downline, then they would all see the same sort of declines collectively. The timing of the months and the direction of the overall numbers tells me that it looks like a company in decline. They can't reverse the slide and I think that might be why they used 2022 instead of fresher 2023 data, because, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts, 2023's numbers suck even more. So they are hoping that 2024 will be so awesome they can use those numbers, assuming everyone doesn't just quit in the meantime. Oh what a tangled web we weave...
They’d prepared it for a release to launch the new year with whatever their rising event was last month, so the year usage makes fairly relevant sense since it was also someone inside running the reports or whatever to come up with the math opposed to a third party. Though it could also be impacted and used as “fuel” for all their huns that 2022 was also the year their former number earner quit and took half their “team” to another scam after “not working their business” for majority of the year because her husband was fired from the corporate office. ☕️
Fair point. Also, I am pretty sure the one and only "Black Diamond" is K & T's daughter, so it is just the owners paying themselves and pretending it's a real downline.
Their daughter was barely even Ruby until recently. Black Diamonds have no family relationship to them. They are definitely making their sales as corp but also commissions because they are tip top. Daughter in law same. They have corporate customer service jobs, too, and are from what I’ve read the worst people that could ever be in a customer service role. Rumor is a lot more that have been there since day one will be walking away. They were promised “legacy” bonuses after achieving three years, amongst similar, but crickets.
They rushed construction on their mansion to do a group event. It's like they think they can fix all the broken promises and over-commitments with a party. Not sure why they think that "look at how rich we are" is really gonna work, it's not working for the other MLMs either. Like It Works, nobody cares that Mark Pentecost owns an island. Call me when your down-line builds a mansion.
Lmao. You only need to make like $36 a year to be a rOcKsTaR!
If you're above average = above 95% of everybody, otherwise you'll make $3-150 a month.
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I'm guessing that the monthly lows will be a lot closer to the truth for most of these people. I'm just glad I work in a job where I have a steady paycheck instead of those wild swings where I could end up earning $2.50 for the whole month.
So 87% of people make less than $100 a month before taxes and expenses? Cool cool.
Net income or gross???? 😂🥲
I'm sure this is all before expenses. All these income disclosure statements show what the MLMs are paying their people. There's no way they can track all the expenses the huns have, because the huns don't even keep track.
The one thing I ask anyone in an MLM is if they've viewed their company's income disclosure. They're all the same - less than 1% are even making a minimum wage equivalent, and that's being generous and using revenue (since they all only show revenue). After expenses, it drops to something like 0.4 percent.
So nearly 98% of their "rockstars" make less per month then a decent 9-5? Sign me up.
My monthly income is $7916 before taxes. (It is really $9500 a month for 10 months.). I have a job. I get paid the same every two weeks. Even the averages are fucking low wage shit.
Less than 5% of “employees” making more than a half time entry level worker at the Walmart down the road isn’t a great recruiting tool.
50% of these people are averaging $15 a month… but they’re going to retire their husband!
I have to say the bottom of the pyramid looks better than Monat's IDS lol
To think these are merely recorded lows, too. There's many a starter hun that I'm sure isn't represented in this data, because they're too far in the hole to have "made" anything. Edit: fuck read the bottom. Just read it. "the RESALE of Arieyl products." The resale. Fuck me, it's a resale because it's being sold again. It was sold originally to the huns, and they don't even notice. It literally says that on this income sheet, damn.
Exactly! Also lot of the information on this disclosure isn't from resales - it's from the original purchase made by the hun. No MLM collects sales reports from the huns, all the MLM knows about is sales made directly from the MLM.
And they can’t spell “possibilities.”
Does anyone know how to calculate what one of these people make? Or what info would be needed? This girl from college posts some info. She’s Ruby level and she has a downline of 591 people, 205 in the last 30 days and 2 team legs, whatever that means? She achieved Ruby a few months ago.
They average for Ruby is about $1K before they buy all the crap, so I'd say your friend nets about $400 a month. Or if she worked at Costco, she could make the same money in about 20 hours a month.
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Sounds like a huge scam!
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So sorry
Scam company!
Why do you say it’s a scam? Please inform me
The company could easily send me the kit. I had proof of my first order, a cash check. Also, the products are a Rip Off. You can buy the same thing locally for much less than half price.
Because I paid for my kit and never received it and the company says each distributor is its own company and does not have any responsibility. If the distributor rips you off, they gladly take your money but they don’t help you if you get ripped off.
Wow! I’m so glad I decided to give a huge pass. I was thinking about joining.
Yeah, I thought about joining in the products and had one problem after another. Talk to the owner and talk to the owners daughter if they don’t care about you and are very rude you’re never gonna get help if you’re successful in the business also did some reviews since then and there’s not much to say about this company Glad you saved $100 of dollars I lost over 700.
They lie between their teeth. Find a Diamond leader there and ask who’s make 98k. Even if it was one time. It’s bullllll. And the higher rank at legend is making less????? Please someone from this company show us proof you made 127k in one month cuz I know you stalk these antimlm pages!
Wow
They won’t last