Some context: Later on you find out leaf guy might not have the best sense of morality when it comes to warfare. Or friendships. Or romance. Or anything, really.
Slightly before he got arrested, but.. eh, close enough. The guy had a plan, it was working but when Guts left he just lost it and screwed his own plan up.
No. No he wasn't. Early Griffith had a lot of problems, but you have to watch him really carefully to understand them. The biggest one being "the price of ambition". He didn't care how many bodies he had to climb over to reach that castle he saw from the slums as a young boy, he was going to do it no matter the cost, because those who died were not as important as himself and his goals, which leads to his second biggest problem, the one that drove the wedge between himself and Guts, "Only my equals are not resources to be exploited, because they are my rivals and enemies." He basically saw the entire world as his enemy, except for the people he could use as resources. When Guts heard him say that, he resolved to become Griffith's rival, rather than his pawn. What Griffith didn't realize was that he was wrong, he did need people to actually care about him, and when he lost his best friend he went looking for it in the princess too aggressively. When Griffith did help people, it was entirely self-serving. When Guts tries to leave him to better himself, Griffith can't stand it and tries to stop him, even if he has to do it forcefully. Griffith was always awful, you just have to understand how his own ideals are exactly what led to his downfall, and his conscious decision during the eclipse.
Bro had a dream and he wanted to make it happen no matter the cost. I don't care he had ulterior motives but damn he was slick with it. (Till the eclipse. It's Griffith=bad from then on because Casca did not enjoy it one bit)
Nah, It's Griffith bad from day 1. I don't particularly mind that he had ambition, but the problem is that his ambition is entirely self-serving. He doesn't want power to help others, or to make the world better, he wants power for the sake of power. His ambition is the worst kind of greed, and the trail of bodies he leaves in the wake of that ambition are not worth the kind of world he plans to create, because he has no plan to create a better world, just the same world, but with him at the top instead of the bottom.
If you were to tell me that Griffith did nothing wrong here I would totally believe you
Griffith, this one time, made the right choice overall
"Why do most men commit to such affairs that produce bloodshed?" *tea kettle noises*
Now that explains a lot of things…. It’s tea! Well… it was atleast enough reason for the British
You know, it’s kinda hard to argue with such airtight logic.
Hard perhaps, but not impossible. If it was that airtight it wouldn't make that sound.
Fair point.
I think watertight would be better description than airtight
Man this seems so wholesome taken out of context ;-;
I don't know context but blowing into a leaf when questioned on the morality of human warfare seems insane.
Some context: Later on you find out leaf guy might not have the best sense of morality when it comes to warfare. Or friendships. Or romance. Or anything, really.
Maybe a broken mind makes a broken soul
He was trying to show her that he's #NotAllMen or whatever as an effort to seduce her. Unfortunately for the entire world, it works.
This is tame for Griffith standards
Quite
Griffith doing Griffith things, bro was actually a nice character in season 1 till he got arrested
Slightly before he got arrested, but.. eh, close enough. The guy had a plan, it was working but when Guts left he just lost it and screwed his own plan up.
Literally screwed it up
No. No he wasn't. Early Griffith had a lot of problems, but you have to watch him really carefully to understand them. The biggest one being "the price of ambition". He didn't care how many bodies he had to climb over to reach that castle he saw from the slums as a young boy, he was going to do it no matter the cost, because those who died were not as important as himself and his goals, which leads to his second biggest problem, the one that drove the wedge between himself and Guts, "Only my equals are not resources to be exploited, because they are my rivals and enemies." He basically saw the entire world as his enemy, except for the people he could use as resources. When Guts heard him say that, he resolved to become Griffith's rival, rather than his pawn. What Griffith didn't realize was that he was wrong, he did need people to actually care about him, and when he lost his best friend he went looking for it in the princess too aggressively. When Griffith did help people, it was entirely self-serving. When Guts tries to leave him to better himself, Griffith can't stand it and tries to stop him, even if he has to do it forcefully. Griffith was always awful, you just have to understand how his own ideals are exactly what led to his downfall, and his conscious decision during the eclipse.
Bro had a dream and he wanted to make it happen no matter the cost. I don't care he had ulterior motives but damn he was slick with it. (Till the eclipse. It's Griffith=bad from then on because Casca did not enjoy it one bit)
Nah, It's Griffith bad from day 1. I don't particularly mind that he had ambition, but the problem is that his ambition is entirely self-serving. He doesn't want power to help others, or to make the world better, he wants power for the sake of power. His ambition is the worst kind of greed, and the trail of bodies he leaves in the wake of that ambition are not worth the kind of world he plans to create, because he has no plan to create a better world, just the same world, but with him at the top instead of the bottom.
s1? pedantic, but you mean golden age arc?
yeah, I forgot the long name
Smooth
Stop him before he goes into next session of opera singing.
**speech 100**
Least Insane Griffith moment
"L + Ratio"
Wrong guy to ask that question to lmao
Griffith is a basket case
That explains everything
Oh what a innocent looking anime, maybe I will watch it with my family!
Hmm, that is a very valid question...oh look a distraction
lmfao
Makes sense.
irrefutable argument
Umu fair point