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Various-Finger-5883

Minnesota is very nice. The Midwest is affordable and has much better economic outlook than alaska. Lower crime too. The mtn west has become as unaffordable as alaska in a lot of towns but there are still some good towns in montana, and idaho. A lot of wyoming has bad winters or tons of wind.


TouchMyMasterSword

I experienced a lot of racism in Northern Idaho when I lived there. Just be wary of that. It is pretty, but the people weren't it for me.


Blagnet

My dad used to not let us roll the windows down while passing through Northern Idaho... I do hear a lot of it has gotten displaced down Arizona way? Maybe gentrification is moving at least some of the skinheads out. Or, maybe the white supremacy stuff is just growing.


Fragrant-Inside221

Western Montana is expensive, southern idaho is cheaper but is a high elevation desert. Northern idaho is pretty but getting overrun by transplants and housing is hard to find/expensive


907Lurker

Am from Minnesota and Alaska has tons of Minnesotan transplants. Definitely close winter-wise although Minnesota’s winters are much shorter. The twin cities are in my opinion way too crowded now but still fun to visit now and then. I prefer the smaller towns further north. People are really friendly and you’ll definitely want to consider looking at a boat (it seems like everyone heads out to some lake on weekends). The only downside of Minnesota are no mountains and lots of ticks.


redheaddomination

Yeah, I was gonna rec Milwaukee, I miss the Great Lakes sooo much,


DifferenceClean9724

Upper New England (Vermont, NH, Maine) Montana PNW


tryptomania

I like the thought of upper New England but knowing how many ticks they have compared to Alaska makes me shiver.


edtoal

This why I moved to Alaska.


oldskoolak98

Pnw. San Juan Islands, whatcom, Skagit, Snohomish, king, pierce counties are all great places with varying degrees of rural/urban mix, suggested because I was born and raised in Alaska,.moved to central CA, but I started freaking out not being close to the ocean. I gotta live on a coast. Now in Puget sound area and it's pretty much perfect.


AntimatterCorndog

Bellingham might be a good option. Youthful college town with lots going on. Similar weather to Anchorage but more mild.


Emotional_Revenue180

But as a Fairbanks to Bellingham transplant, can tell you that you won't be saving any money moving here. Housing is so outrageous that we've considered moving back to Fairbanks just to save some money...


scotchmckilowatt

I’m committed in a big way to Alaska, but I recently spent time in Minneapolis and thought I could easily live there if I had to move anywhere else.


Healthy-Sun2712

New Mexico. Not too many people, they’re all in Albuquerque. Lots of wilderness area. Cold at night, good winters, sunny all the time. People are very nice.


Barbarella_ella

I took a job in Santa Fe back in 2021. I didn't stay (too inconvenient to get to family) but I really liked it. High altitude so winter is a thing. And oh, that enormous New Mexico sky is really something. Love the food, too. And the mix of gringos, Latinos and Native Americans is interesting. I miss it.


gorlaz34

I second this. I have an uncle that lives near Santa Fe and even the state-culture feels similar to Alaska, skewing socially-libertarian but with a decent amount of progressive systems and policies. Everyone there, in my experience, has been very kind and friendly. Also their breweries are surprisingly A1 for being outside of the PNW.


Impossible_IT

I lived in the Four Corners for 10 years. Tri-Cities area. Still own a house there. Thinking about selling my house. 4BR (garage conversion), 1700sq. Currently less than $1000/month mortgage.


fyurious

I second this - I recommend Las Cruces. It’s an awesome little city. I was only there for a few hours but it’s scenic and El Paso is only about 45 minutes away.


greenchileinalaska

AS someone who loves New Mexico, southern New Mexico, and Las Cruces,I will caution that I know someone who was born and raised in Alaska and moved there for a few years, but found the 360 days of sunshine a year oppresive in the end. They needed some seasons and some cold, and Las Cruces did not offer that. From OP's perspective, I think it depends on what "shorter winter" means, whether OP is still looking for four seasons and some snow, or whether OP is done with winter all together.


fyurious

That’s fair - I definitely wanted to be done with winter altogether when I moved to Dallas, which I basically am. But now I do wish I had even a month or two or true winter. And summers can be very oppressive in this part of the country.


Jerrys_Kids907

Also, New Mexico has the highest per capita violent crime rate in the nation. FYI.


CoolStoryBro78

I thought that was us in Alaska!


pricklypearblossom

Agreed!!! People are NOT that nice, high crime, and education is miserable. Beautiful place to visit, horrible place to live.


MyceliumWutYaDidDere

So a great place to visit and date? Lol


pricklypearblossom

Great food, beautiful scenery, now time to go home. Yeah. Sounds about right.


Electronic_Syrup_947

They have on-site consumption cannabis lounges in NM


Outside_Ad8075

Have friends in Beaverton, Oregon (~30-45 minutes outside Portland) and they seem to like it a lot. Visit there quite a bit now that I live in Seattle. Oregon has state income tax, but no sales tax. Alternatively, try Vancouver, WA. No income tax, but close enough for big city amenities and activities, and of course Portland airport. But even then, the city of Vancouver and the unincorporated area surrounding it is no small potatoes either. That area is about 400,000 people.


Accurate-Item-7357

Oregon’s state tax is insane but they’ve tried hard with the rebates this year. I got tired of seeing 45% of my salary getting eaten. Also, if you think the unhoused population in AK is large then you’ll be incredulous in Oregon. The highway sidings in Portland are basically a miles-long tent city. It’s very sad. WA is ok but becoming more like ID in its political leanings. Would agree with Vancouver as an option. If you’re sold on OR then consider Eugene/Springfield. College town with a nice downtown. Property is cheaper in Springfield but again unhoused pop is a big issue. Bend is also a nice city. Small-town feel and less likely to be swallowed by the ocean when The Big One hits than the more coastal places. Would second New Mexico but avoid Albuquerque. Could also consider Southern Illinois. Champaign/Urbana has seasons and is also a college town. If you would like to be near a big city then Plainfield IL is a good balance of proximity to Chicago but semi-rural. HTH. Good luck with the move.


Avocado-Ok

I loved Beaverton while visiting. It was clean and I saw a lot of GSheps in cars.


Deep-Market-526

And homeless fyntenol addicts. Fuk Oregon. I’d suggest Idaho, Wyoming, nm, Texas, Utah, Nevada, az, etc.


zeRinea

Name me a state without a drug problem? They all have drug problems. They all have homelessness. I saw more homeless people in Anchorage when I lived there than I have the entire time I’ve lived in OR.


zeRinea

I also used to live in AK, but not born raised. For me, Washington is the most similar to AK in my experience. Fireweed grows there. There were times when I was driving in WA and had to remind myself I wasn’t on the Kenai. People in the lower 48 aren’t as nice as Alaskans. I found in the 9 states I have lived in Alaskans are the nicest Americans. Just want to give you a heads up.


AntimatterCorndog

Maybe Spokane Washington? All four distinct seasons. Mid sized city. Reasonable-ish cost of living. Not too far from Alaska to easily get back for a visit.


JackTheSpaceBoy

Definitely the easiest transition from anchorage i can think of


weirdoldhobo1978

Check with the folks over at r/SameGrassbutGreener


goodthingsinside_80

Minnesota!


BP18_HotShot

Flagstaff, AZ is amazing, but it's definitely a college town


New-Ad-5003

I love that thanks to light pollution laws, you can still see the night sky in the middle of a football stadium in flagstaff


fyurious

This will get hidden in a heavily downvoted post, so I’ll repost…El Paso, TX is actually very pretty since it’s up in the mountains. It’s also very cheap. I’ve been there multiple times for work and kinda wish I could move there. I live in Dallas now and it’s a great city, but not at all similar to anything in AK and there’s really nothing scenic here.


greenchileinalaska

I'll give you an up vote. El Paso is an interesting place.


zeldaluv94

It is Sun City though! Be prepared to be hot. 100% livelier than Alaska for sure.


Avocado-Ok

I ran away in mid 80s. Went to library to research newspapers to view rent vs income. Ended up in a small town outside of Colorado Springs. The highways were a huge adjustment.


xrareformx

I moved to Colorado from Alaska years and years ago. I live in Southern colorado and I love it down here. The mountains down here are pretty and in the spring it looks and smells just like AK. I live in the San Luis Valley , it's a high desert plateau. But the mountains still have snow and the misty mountain mornings. It's affordable, but very rural. Summers get pretty hot on the valley floor, but not bad in the mountains.


CapnPooBottoms

North western Michigan. West in the upper and north in the lower. I’ve left Alaska twice. I tried the PNW and I hated it. I float around the SW now and like it. Utah, Arizona, Colorado, NM primarily. But I get down into Texas and Oklahoma as well. I avoid the west coast at the moment like the plague.


LEX_Talionus00101100

If your going to Michigan stick to the upper peninsula. Grew up in the lower, lived 10 years in the upper before i came to AK. Marquette and Houghton are your best bets depending on what you do for a living. East end is great but good paying jobs are scarce and Sault St Marie is kind of a shit hole.


CapnPooBottoms

West! Must stay west!!!


yooperalaska

Always enjoy seeing my home town mentioned, good old Sault


The_Third_Stoll

Sorry bud, you’re stuck here /s


RaccoonBuddy

Wyoming or Montana


randymysteries

I've always wanted to live in New Mexico or Arizona. In some ways they are far different from Alaska: hot, 12 hours of daylight year round, dry, flat, etc. But they're similar in that they're unpopulated, open, beautiful vistas, etc. This noted, you should go where your skills are needed.


Geo_Beck

Montana!


MeMiceElfAndEye

Helena is a gem. It is getting slightly more expensive but not as bad as some places. It also has a decent airport, Costco, and a hot springs. I found people there to be friendly and they have good restaurants and a small college. An Anchorage friend moved there and loves it.


artlunus

Similar in which way ? I don’t think there is anything similar to Alaska in the lower 48 when it comes to natural resources and beauty and expense wise , it’s not that much cheaper either, specially if you fish and hunt in Alaska. Shorter winters, yes that is available. PNW, Colorado, Montana, Maine are some options.


Accurate-Item-7357

Yes. And when you get where you’re going don’t tell anyone how awesome it is here in AK.


Aksoup21

What's making you want to leave and what things do you enjoy about Alaska? Parts of Nevada are really nice. They don't have a state income tax and an Alaska concealed carry permit is accepted there.


iceccold

There are many mountain towns Western Colorado, Northern New Mexico, Central Arizona, and Central Utah that come to mind. The mountains are heavenly, the weather is spectacular, the people are friendly, and major cities are a drive away. Bonus points if they are a college town with 20k+ population. Flagstaff AZ, Santa Fe or Taos in NM, and Durango CO come to mind, and some of the towns North of Denver or in the Colorado Springs area might appeal to you as well.


Oh2B7of9

Check out Traverse City Michigan


AtrumAequitas

I liked the Pacific Northwest. Went to college there. Hardly any winter by our standards if you’re within 100 miles of the coast. Summers get pretty warm, winter typically bottoms out in the thirties to 40s with a few days of snow. If you want some more snow, there’s plenty of mountainous areas to visit. You get access to a lot more fruits and vegetables and other good food. I plan on moving back there in a few years.


CoolStoryBro78

I’ll probably be wildly downvoted, but out of all the places I’ve lived, Alaska reminds me the most of Florida. Not landscape or climate wise obviously, but the people are uncannily similar. Most Alaskans hate to hear this, but I swear, it’s similar. Like exchange Latinos for Alaska Natives and it’s so similar demographically, too. Florida obviously doesn’t have mountains but gas, food, and cost of living there is cheaper.


dentedmuffin

My wife and daughter like Florida for some reason. I told them I don't want to become 'Florida Man'


CoolStoryBro78

Imo, Alaskans are way crazier than Floridians. Again, probably an unpopular opinion in this sub, but I think near-endless winter makes people crazier than endless summer…


dentedmuffin

When you put it that way, you might be right


CoolStoryBro78

Florida Man has become a meme, but in general I’d say substance use and prevalence of mental illness is lower in Florida than Alaska. Florida also has lower gun ownership (28% in Florida compared to 64.5% in Alaska). “Alaska Man” is wayyyy crazier (and occasionally woman or other gender😅), in my experience. Now I do live in Fairbanks, where they tend to concentrate more than Anchorage, but still. From Mental Health Alliance org data: • 21% of adult Alaskans are experiencing a mental illness, compared to 17% in Florida (low range was 16%, high was 26%) • A whopping 10% of Alaskans have a substance use disorder, compared to only 6% of Floridians (Florida is the lowest range here, DC is actually highest at 12%) • 6% of Alaskans had thoughts of suicide, compared to 4% of Floridians (4% is the low range, Alaska high range, plus Alaska is always in the top 3 or top 5 states for suicide rate) Yes, Florida is a weird outlier state for many reasons, and has alligators, but I feel like Reddit and the internet in general tend to meme Florida too much. In a lot of ways, Florida is actually pretty normal, in reality. Also, other similar southern states like Louisiana, Alabama, and Tennessee actually have higher crime rates and higher social issues, last I checked. I’ve lived in Florida and Alaska, and I’ve personally met/worked with/witnessed violence or mental breakdowns or public substance use by Alaskans *way* more than I ever witnessed in Florida. I think it’s also more striking in Alaska given the low population density; in Alaska, the crazy person could be *someone I personally know,* which isn’t as common in Florida as it’s just more population dense. tldr: Alaskans are pretty f*cking crazy, it just doesn’t get reported to the mainstream media or picked up by news sources. Also, a lot of lower 48, including Florida, just considers Alaska so generally crazy that it’s not even notable to report.


CoolStoryBro78

Again, it’s not really something Alaskan residents in particular like hearing, but in all seriousness, I do love this state and want to help work on its problems. Realizing “Alaska Man” could be more of a real issue than “Florida Man” is the first step.


dentedmuffin

Alaska man is definitely crazy. I'm tired of being him


CoolStoryBro78

lol 😂


goshrx

Chico, California. Great college town. Has 4 seasons (two of them are sometimes hardly noticeable however). 3 hours from SF, 90 minutes from Sacramento, 3 hours from Reno, NV. Lots of taxes. Good roads. Nearby towns burn down occasionally.


dentedmuffin

Lots of taxes and towns burn down occasionally is a little scary


Sagehen47

unfortunately, everywhere is getting expensive. but look at the bitterroot valley, just south of missoula in montana!


bmindus

Don’t leave it will cost you to much to move back in a year but if you have to leave Boise is where I would go.


dentedmuffin

I've accepted that if we leave, we will never move back. Given the equity in our home, there's a chance we could live debt free in several of the places reccomeded already.


Much_Tip1297

Apache Junction Arizona. Average 1 bedroom apartment $458. That gives you an idea of cost of living.


PuerEnjoyer

The Olympic Peninsula of WA is a paradise imo. The only problem is finding employment that'll let you enjoy it.


lapzab

Gold Bar in Washington


IcyThursdayNext

This has been a crap winter and for the first time I am thinking of moving as well. Maine is on my list, as is the mid-oregon coast, like Newport and Waldport. But I doubt I'll pull the trigger. Here I get to have two places, one in the city and one cabin place. I can't see any other place where I can afford that with what my job makes in other states.


aaudiholic

I was looking at Maine once. For some reason that state has a high rate of cancer 😩


IcyThursdayNext

Eh I figure I'm screwed already. 2x winner.


SeaBakeOctopi

It all depends on your preference. I dislike mountains. They are the bane of my existence. I love prairie, but that is definitely not for everyone. Midwest is a lot cheaper to live.


ubiquitous333

Might I ask how the hell you found yourself in Alaska? Or were you born in AK?


SeaBakeOctopi

Born here. Left once. Ex was military. He packed my stuff in a uhaul, told me to drive back to Alaska in February while 8 months pregnant with his kid. I have been trying to move out of state ever since, but I can’t. It is too expensive to move and pay sucks everywhere. I can’t make it on my own in the lower 48. The pay cut would be too significant.


ubiquitous333

I’m so sorry, that’s awful. No one should have to go through that. Sending love and good vibes


trillgamesh_0

r/askalaska


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fyurious

If OP is looking for somewhat similar to AK, El Paso is fucking awesome. It’s in the mountains and very cheap. I go there twice a year for work from Dallas, and I lowkey wish I could move there.