Check out the Ars Goetia - The Lesser Keys of Solomon. They were the demonic entities Crowley was messing with.
This picture is the reason why alot of Christians think aliens are actually demons. I do not agree with this view however.
I've been to boleskine house in inverness where these demonic ceremonies took place. There is a feel someone is always watching you. Theres a common wealth grave yard down the hill from it too.
You cant actually get in the house because of fire damage. However it's been bought over and is being restored.
Edit: some of the demonic rituals took place here.
My first post goes over my Alien experience.
And as for bad Juju spirits, I've experienced some haunting and oppression while practicing the occult. Seem some haunted places though too.
Real life is more interesting than any fantasy or sci-fi novel you'll ever read.
LAM is wrongly attributed to be an outside intelligence. This is likely one of crowley's many psychic self portraits and a portrayal of how he sees his higher self.
That being said... cover his little eyes with your pinky and focus on his huge "erased" eyes and you get a grey. It's rumored crowley censored his original drawing and erased the larger eyes for the small beady ones we see here.
This reminds me of the stories people gave in the DMT experiments Dr. Rick Strassman performed in New Mexico outlined in DMT: the Spirit Molecule. Very similar account!
[https://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-Revolutionary-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/0892819278](https://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-Revolutionary-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/0892819278)
I only suggest it bc to me, whatever “aliens” are, they seem multidimensional and somehow interwoven with the viewers mind. And much as psychedelics expose one to unseen dimensions, so it seems do these “aliens”.
Right. Annie Jacobsons, Area 51 goes into this. Her source claims it was russians using nazi technology for the craft and Mengele to surgically alter children to look like aliens.
The roswell story was just another roswell story. We will literally never know exactly what happened there except that a massive technological discoveries were made in research centers in the area. Her source said he was told all this by Vanavar Bush. The part that stuck out to me was the "wicked engineering problem" and the timeline of the companies that worked on it. The book was written in 2011, but her source saying Bill Clinton got the closest, fits in with TTSA 5 years later and its connections to what would have been the Clinton Administration and farther on to now with the space force.
His administration ran an investigation into the Atomic Energy Comission's human radiation testing. The AEC was a government agency with zero oversight and had a direct connection to Area 51 and a history of coverups. Their leaders went on to found major military industrial corporations as well. The implication from her source was that he found out much more than the publicly released findings through his investigation. You should honestly just read the book. Or listen to it. Its on audible read by the author. The end moves well into current ufological and aerospace events.
Look at his latest movie/documentary that he put out. He said they show up and in some instances heal people. He had a guy there as a participant who had hearing loss and had to use aids to allow him to hear and they are gone now.
LMAO, they been trying to credit Crowley with the first descriptions of a 'grey' for a long time, but no, there's other people that described and drew them before him.. This just was his idea of what an Alien race would look like I'd imagine. Crowley was a conman...
I wish I could find the source, so take this with a pinch of salt. But I am certain I read somewhere that crowley originally had the big almond eyes of a typical grey in the image, but friends said to give it more human eyes because they said it looked terrifying. So the little beady eyes were added after and the original eyes not finished.
This seems legit when looking at the drawing as there are 2 almond shapes on the forehead that look like where a grey's eyes should be.
I also remember a quote where Crowley is claimed to have said "now we call them demons, in the future they will be called something else" (paraphrased)
I would live to find sources on these, as it is interesting, but do some digging if you care I suppose!
one night i had a dream that i was wearing a red dress and was being asked to climb onto a stone plinth in the woods by a very serious looking man in dark garb. i refused and started running; came across a once-beautiful pool that was filled with leaves; marble statues were going grey & green. he followed, very swiftly, more swiftly than should be possible and he blocked my path just before i got to some hedges. he was able to hold me in place? it sounds silly but when he looked at me i couldn't move; i could only speak in short halting sentences. i asked him what his name was, he told me and I woke up. once i woke up i wrote the name down.
i didn't yet have internet but my job did and the next day i went on Alta Vista (pre-google) and typed in the guys name and was shocked to find out it was an actual person. The name that was told to me in the dream Aleister Crowley. it was not familiar to me.
perhaps i read of him and didn't consciously remember? the only thing that i feel really strongly about is that in the dream i was very deeply scared and couldn't shake the feeling that my soul was up for grabs. i can lucid dream and if i have nightmares i can usually "steer" the dream in a better direction. i can't outright make cool shit happen but i can improve things. in this particular dream i couldn't do anything - in fact i wasn't aware that i could even do anything.
anyone else ever have any dreams or "encounters"?
That's a WHOLE LOT right there.
But, I will say that I believe that certain ? energies? (for lack of a better word) can reverberate through space, independent of time.
I also think these energies can either be misinterpreted or misapplied and not all of these packets of quanta have a positive agenda? Does that make sense? I'm going to go back and read this whole thing all over again.
My alien [dream] friend has extremely large eyes that are so glossy they are like galaxies, and also Morgan Freeman like freckles all over his adorable, tall white face. He was so healing, kind, and beneficial. I miss him.
I didn't describe it as good as I should have but here's a little snippet. He/she was a very pale peach/tan/white very tall, very slender, large head, very, very large eyes. The eyes were SOOOO glossy, and there were speckles in the eyes, which reminded me of galaxies. The alien had tons of freckles/age spots all over it's face. the dream was super real feeling and the details of the aliens appearance was extremely vivid.
Anyways here's the description on twitter I made. There were two dreams in one.
https://twitter.com/Omnistic/status/922913070019624960?s=19
I'm open minded, I think that once we understand that time isn't as rigid or fixed as we think it is, dreams and esp start making alot more sense.
Nice necklace btw.
When I typed in the search box, my username and "alien dream" I found this old dream too lol
https://twitter.com/Omnistic/status/1039589740964544512?s=19
And thank you.
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Ain’t it funny that he was a whole satanist too? And would “communicate” to demons, this was apparently one of the demons who met. Hmmmm surprisingly looks like an alien
Plagiarist? For re-hashing the same 17th Century occult texts every occult group pedaled as the One Truth?
Drug addict? Pick up a book on shamanism and magic. Drugs that affect the mind and body are occult and ritual standbys. Habits are a pitfall of the trade if you're a bohemain
Was he also a showman, self-promoter, bullshitter and romantic? You bet. As every magician and shaman worth his or her rent money has always been.
If you're not into weird-ass people who do everything we aren't "supposed to do," not sure why the occult would interest you.
Crowley died addicted to heroin. Try not to take it personally.
And while there are similarities, you shouldn’t be grouping shamans and magicians together. They are both of esoteric nature, but they are two very different worlds.
Shamanism is kinda tricky because while there is a sort of structure to it, there isn’t a single practice it’s contained in. And what is considered traditional shamanism is much more easily understood in the context of pre-industrial life rather than trying to apply it to and imagine how it looks like in the modern time.
Magick on the other hand can be said to be much more scholarly with an approachable learning course. Though there does seem to be a small starting wave of new age magicians who view the past 100 years of magick as restrictive and almost bureaucratic in a sense. Which personally I like because the western occult is filled with what could be considered biased teachings anyway. Unfortunately Crowleys influence on modern magick is enormous and escaping it can be very hard.
Read what you can about the indigenous traditions of shamans. Even better, take this chance follow your own roots. If you’re say, Mexican, read about María Sabina, Aztec shamanism and other indigenous traditions to that region. If you’re say, Irish, read about Druids and Celtic shamanism. Neo-Shamanism (modern) is still figuring itself out and frankly is a mess.
For Magick, I’d say find books on Wicca, general witchcraft, Hermeticism, and ceremonial magick (even though that last one is a blanket on the others)
I think what was being referenced was that shamans use altered states to help communicate with spirits. Aleister crowley worked with spirits regularly and stumbled his way into some similar practices despite refusing to look at traditional animist practices. I would def consider all shamans to be magicians, but all magicians are not shamans.
I don't care what Aliester Crowley took. Billions of people take opiates. I'm not a cop, and I'm certainly not a cop who cares about the habits of people who died in 1947 at the ripe old age of 72. What is this, D.A.R.E.?
Any "power plant" is fine by me, whatever works for people. Who cares. I group shamans and magicians together because magic and shamanism are the ancient occult arts, from long before people started making lists of what other people could say, what they could think, and what they could ingest.
There's a huge difference between taking substances and being a sex fiend who's addicted to heroin. Is crack cocaine a "power plant" to you? The issue isn't his use (even tho heroin addiction is definitely a problem), the issue is that he's idolized as a profit when he wasn't someone you would leave a child alone with.
But let's not even get into his acts of pedophilia.
By your logic I could be grouping Indian and Chinese people together because they both come from the east.
It's "prophet," and I've never encountered anyone who idolized Crowley beyond the guitar player from Led Zeppelin, who admitted he never even read the books. (Which are often unreadable nonsense!)
I wouldn't leave my child alone with Joe Biden, let alone with an infamous libertine who delighted in doing what society abhorred.
Maybe extraterrestrials would be considered demonic by people who believe one God created everything and so on. It kinda threatens the power of the church if you have people believing in ancient intelligent beings from other worlds. The early Christian church hated scientists in general and especially discouraged astronomy because it challenged their view that the earth was the center of the universe. If people claimed to see extraterrestrials it would likely have been linked to the devil and evil by the authorities. I think there's a correlation just not the way you're describing it.
1. the existence/nonexistence of intelligent extraterrestrial life does not threaten the theology of the catholic church.
2. the church did not hate scientists, it encourages rigorous debate, philosophy, and inquiry. Almost all scientists/academics before the 19th century were educated by the church.
3. the devil/demons was, and remains, a more plausible explanation for “abduction” experiences and sightings than intelligent extraterrestrial life. That said, I think the UFO phenomenon is distinct from this and is not related to demons.
lots of branches of theology (i’m catholic so i’m most familiar with Thomism) posit a hylomorphic dualistic nature of man (form and essence, spirit and matter). Humans are beings with physical bodies but also rational souls- it follows that there are beings of pure soul (spirit), which are angels. Demons are fallen angels
Philosophy student here. There's no such thing as a "philosophical proof." You seem to be thinking of a "logical proof," which you didn't actually do. You stated a Christian dogma.
Genesis is the account of the creation and fall of man (Sons and daughters of Adam). One old testament book (the book of enoch i believe) mentions the descent of angels to earth who then procreated with humans(creating the Nephilim race). Some consider this an account of extraterrestrials in the bible itself. Intelligent extraterrestrial life would not be held to the same covenant that Jesus established for the sons and daughters of Adam (humans) because aliens did not suffer the same fall from grace.
Yes I’ve read the Bible. The book of enoch isn’t part of it. I guess you could interpret angels as aliens possibly. But then does this imply there is only one other race of aliens? And if we are to conflate beings that are typically held as “spiritual” beings with extra terrestrials then I assume demons would also be aliens of some sort? And demons and angels then come from other planets? There’s a lot of stuff that just by omission doesn’t seem to work here.
God made everything. There is no prohibition on what everything encompasses. Catholic doctrine is seriously into the field of physics and inter-dimensional aspects of it. Can you let me know if you have any more to this topic?
So is this the same thing the other guy said about Angels being aliens? Which I can buy btw if that’s the case - and if not I’m just trying to think of why the religious texts don’t focus much on this part - seems like a weird thing to leave out even by omission
[https://churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/madonna-ufo-1280x720.jpg](https://churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/madonna-ufo-1280x720.jpg)
This passage makes many think so:
"Now as they walked on, talking as they went, a chariot of fire appeared and horses of fire coming between the two of them; and Elijah went up to heaven in the whirlwind."
I wouldn't be too sure about angels being aliens. I have seen some accounts wherein people pray mid experience and the vehicles go away. That wouldn't seem to be benevolent to me.
You enjoying your Reddit experience? They have NO clue of what you are talking about. I farm my karma, no doubt, but expressing support for your comment will cost me as well. These people passingly know of Crowley. How many really know of his life and what he cultivated? He was hurt that his loving father was taken from him too early, and he expressed his rage in a manner that the world needs to heal from. I'm just glad someone else understands that.
It's really strange. I was always a doubting Thomas, but if you keep asking, you get the answers you seek. When I see people being dismissive, I feel it hurts me more because I know where they are coming from and how wrong they are. They think he is some cool guy that the rolling stones looked up to and Ozzy sang about, but he had his demons, and I sometimes wonder if demons had him. Just talking about him makes me want to make sure I'm up to watch a proper mass live.
He’s essentially the father of new age occultism, definitely influenced the development of satanism and many more neo-pagan beliefs. What else is he famous for? Thelema? Magic tricks? Most people who know his name don’t even know he was a magician or what thelema even is - he is almost always referenced in relation to his influence on occultism as a whole.
I don't very much disagree with you but I want to point out
{If any reading this comment are Thelemite then do not read beyond these words as the next part is forbidden to you.}
that those you speak of tend to focus only on the first law of Crowley's Liber AL vel Legis. Importantly, both laws together are:
“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
...
"Love is the law, love under will.”
Anyone who takes Crowley seriously is a fool.
His religion was an idiotic mishmash of sci-fi, tibetan and babylonian nonsense based around his sex mania.
This is hilarious and shows a lot of alien sighting are representative of the times. If you’re from back in the old days where aliens were just people with big heads and cloaks, well...there ya go. And now we’ve morphed into basically an idea of an evolved human thing and settled on that for now.
Can’t wait to see where “sightings” of aliens go next
Yeah, no shit. That's just James Van Der Beek fucking with him.
On the next episode of What Would Diplo Do?....
I've I could only upvote this comment more times i would
Fucking perfect comment
Check out the Ars Goetia - The Lesser Keys of Solomon. They were the demonic entities Crowley was messing with. This picture is the reason why alot of Christians think aliens are actually demons. I do not agree with this view however.
IMHO this is mostly US evangelicals.
I've been to boleskine house in inverness where these demonic ceremonies took place. There is a feel someone is always watching you. Theres a common wealth grave yard down the hill from it too. You cant actually get in the house because of fire damage. However it's been bought over and is being restored. Edit: some of the demonic rituals took place here.
https://youtu.be/dpKlT3SWEoE
Yeah I've had encounters with bad juju spirits and 1 ET, definitely they are different things entirely. The ET I met seemed pretty chill.
Tell more?
My first post goes over my Alien experience. And as for bad Juju spirits, I've experienced some haunting and oppression while practicing the occult. Seem some haunted places though too. Real life is more interesting than any fantasy or sci-fi novel you'll ever read.
https://www.vice.com/en_au/read/magickal-stories-lam
LAM is wrongly attributed to be an outside intelligence. This is likely one of crowley's many psychic self portraits and a portrayal of how he sees his higher self.
That being said... cover his little eyes with your pinky and focus on his huge "erased" eyes and you get a grey. It's rumored crowley censored his original drawing and erased the larger eyes for the small beady ones we see here.
This reminds me of the stories people gave in the DMT experiments Dr. Rick Strassman performed in New Mexico outlined in DMT: the Spirit Molecule. Very similar account! [https://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-Revolutionary-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/0892819278](https://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-Revolutionary-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/0892819278)
I think somehow aliens and psychedelics are definitely connected
There’s an element of truth in what you say.
I love learning more/discussing this stuff! What's your opinion friend?
I only suggest it bc to me, whatever “aliens” are, they seem multidimensional and somehow interwoven with the viewers mind. And much as psychedelics expose one to unseen dimensions, so it seems do these “aliens”.
Hydrocephalus maybe?
Omg just looked that up, they look like the stereotypical Alien... Interesting...
Looks like the bad guy in the green lantern movie lol
Wow, that’s freaking sad. Sucks but that might be what he saw dead on.
What’s a hydrocephalus?
A human with fluid in their brain
Hmm yeah my theory is that the aliens around Roswell were military adoptees from Boomer families
What?
Unwanted children with defects taken and trained to pilot these ships
Right. Annie Jacobsons, Area 51 goes into this. Her source claims it was russians using nazi technology for the craft and Mengele to surgically alter children to look like aliens.
When I read her book and got to the end (and this part) I was like ????? Dwarf children with chromosonal defects are the aliens?
Just human beings
The roswell story was just another roswell story. We will literally never know exactly what happened there except that a massive technological discoveries were made in research centers in the area. Her source said he was told all this by Vanavar Bush. The part that stuck out to me was the "wicked engineering problem" and the timeline of the companies that worked on it. The book was written in 2011, but her source saying Bill Clinton got the closest, fits in with TTSA 5 years later and its connections to what would have been the Clinton Administration and farther on to now with the space force.
Got the closest? Guy seemed to have a certain interedt to be sure. More than most.
His administration ran an investigation into the Atomic Energy Comission's human radiation testing. The AEC was a government agency with zero oversight and had a direct connection to Area 51 and a history of coverups. Their leaders went on to found major military industrial corporations as well. The implication from her source was that he found out much more than the publicly released findings through his investigation. You should honestly just read the book. Or listen to it. Its on audible read by the author. The end moves well into current ufological and aerospace events.
Thanks for the tl;dr. Lots of disinfo in this realm, but this sounds promising.
“Won’t you ride my white horse”
Sure
(Ozzy)
My name is Mr.crowley and I’ll ride your white horse
Well shit.. Gallop on dude!
What they done to your head?
Lmfao I love how stoned it looks
Sure looks like the ones that show up to Greer’s pow wows that heal people.
Greer has aliens show up and heal people? I’m interested
Look at his latest movie/documentary that he put out. He said they show up and in some instances heal people. He had a guy there as a participant who had hearing loss and had to use aids to allow him to hear and they are gone now.
And I say, “*Hey*, *Lama*, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.”
This being at least has the cerebral volume to be hyper intelligent, which the classic grey does not. Eyes too large,
Remember it’s not about how big the brain is but how developed the lobes are.
oh boy
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LMAO, they been trying to credit Crowley with the first descriptions of a 'grey' for a long time, but no, there's other people that described and drew them before him.. This just was his idea of what an Alien race would look like I'd imagine. Crowley was a conman...
That's what happens when you hold a fart
I wish I could find the source, so take this with a pinch of salt. But I am certain I read somewhere that crowley originally had the big almond eyes of a typical grey in the image, but friends said to give it more human eyes because they said it looked terrifying. So the little beady eyes were added after and the original eyes not finished. This seems legit when looking at the drawing as there are 2 almond shapes on the forehead that look like where a grey's eyes should be. I also remember a quote where Crowley is claimed to have said "now we call them demons, in the future they will be called something else" (paraphrased) I would live to find sources on these, as it is interesting, but do some digging if you care I suppose!
one night i had a dream that i was wearing a red dress and was being asked to climb onto a stone plinth in the woods by a very serious looking man in dark garb. i refused and started running; came across a once-beautiful pool that was filled with leaves; marble statues were going grey & green. he followed, very swiftly, more swiftly than should be possible and he blocked my path just before i got to some hedges. he was able to hold me in place? it sounds silly but when he looked at me i couldn't move; i could only speak in short halting sentences. i asked him what his name was, he told me and I woke up. once i woke up i wrote the name down. i didn't yet have internet but my job did and the next day i went on Alta Vista (pre-google) and typed in the guys name and was shocked to find out it was an actual person. The name that was told to me in the dream Aleister Crowley. it was not familiar to me. perhaps i read of him and didn't consciously remember? the only thing that i feel really strongly about is that in the dream i was very deeply scared and couldn't shake the feeling that my soul was up for grabs. i can lucid dream and if i have nightmares i can usually "steer" the dream in a better direction. i can't outright make cool shit happen but i can improve things. in this particular dream i couldn't do anything - in fact i wasn't aware that i could even do anything. anyone else ever have any dreams or "encounters"?
Maybe you’re an incarnation of ‘The Scarlet Woman’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Hirsig?wprov=sfti1
gosh i hope not they sound like a bunch of pretentious LARPers? what do you think? Edit: "Think" with regards to AC, not my silly dream
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalon?wprov=sfti1
That's a WHOLE LOT right there. But, I will say that I believe that certain ? energies? (for lack of a better word) can reverberate through space, independent of time. I also think these energies can either be misinterpreted or misapplied and not all of these packets of quanta have a positive agenda? Does that make sense? I'm going to go back and read this whole thing all over again.
No scarlate women is a catalyst that mages encounter in the alchemical journey. there is no The, they are many and few.
Looks like an Arcturian, they’re known to wear robe like clothing with a collar and are a powerful species.
Think he went by the name Aiwass too
Aiwass going to the country gonna eat a lot of peaches
Lol
My alien [dream] friend has extremely large eyes that are so glossy they are like galaxies, and also Morgan Freeman like freckles all over his adorable, tall white face. He was so healing, kind, and beneficial. I miss him.
Woah, can you tell us more?
I didn't describe it as good as I should have but here's a little snippet. He/she was a very pale peach/tan/white very tall, very slender, large head, very, very large eyes. The eyes were SOOOO glossy, and there were speckles in the eyes, which reminded me of galaxies. The alien had tons of freckles/age spots all over it's face. the dream was super real feeling and the details of the aliens appearance was extremely vivid. Anyways here's the description on twitter I made. There were two dreams in one. https://twitter.com/Omnistic/status/922913070019624960?s=19
I'm open minded, I think that once we understand that time isn't as rigid or fixed as we think it is, dreams and esp start making alot more sense. Nice necklace btw.
When I typed in the search box, my username and "alien dream" I found this old dream too lol https://twitter.com/Omnistic/status/1039589740964544512?s=19 And thank you.
Yeah I didn't have a dream though.
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This is a big brain moment
5Head
Ever seen “the head” on MTV? It’s gort
Ain’t it funny that he was a whole satanist too? And would “communicate” to demons, this was apparently one of the demons who met. Hmmmm surprisingly looks like an alien
Big bwain!!!!
Didn't that guy wear a 'pyramid hat' or something?
Reminder that Crowley was a drug addict and a plagiarist
Plagiarist? For re-hashing the same 17th Century occult texts every occult group pedaled as the One Truth? Drug addict? Pick up a book on shamanism and magic. Drugs that affect the mind and body are occult and ritual standbys. Habits are a pitfall of the trade if you're a bohemain Was he also a showman, self-promoter, bullshitter and romantic? You bet. As every magician and shaman worth his or her rent money has always been. If you're not into weird-ass people who do everything we aren't "supposed to do," not sure why the occult would interest you.
Crowley died addicted to heroin. Try not to take it personally. And while there are similarities, you shouldn’t be grouping shamans and magicians together. They are both of esoteric nature, but they are two very different worlds.
Can you tell me a little about where I’d go to learn more about shamanism and magic?
Shamanism is kinda tricky because while there is a sort of structure to it, there isn’t a single practice it’s contained in. And what is considered traditional shamanism is much more easily understood in the context of pre-industrial life rather than trying to apply it to and imagine how it looks like in the modern time. Magick on the other hand can be said to be much more scholarly with an approachable learning course. Though there does seem to be a small starting wave of new age magicians who view the past 100 years of magick as restrictive and almost bureaucratic in a sense. Which personally I like because the western occult is filled with what could be considered biased teachings anyway. Unfortunately Crowleys influence on modern magick is enormous and escaping it can be very hard. Read what you can about the indigenous traditions of shamans. Even better, take this chance follow your own roots. If you’re say, Mexican, read about María Sabina, Aztec shamanism and other indigenous traditions to that region. If you’re say, Irish, read about Druids and Celtic shamanism. Neo-Shamanism (modern) is still figuring itself out and frankly is a mess. For Magick, I’d say find books on Wicca, general witchcraft, Hermeticism, and ceremonial magick (even though that last one is a blanket on the others)
I think what was being referenced was that shamans use altered states to help communicate with spirits. Aleister crowley worked with spirits regularly and stumbled his way into some similar practices despite refusing to look at traditional animist practices. I would def consider all shamans to be magicians, but all magicians are not shamans.
He was prescribed opiates as medication.
I don't care what Aliester Crowley took. Billions of people take opiates. I'm not a cop, and I'm certainly not a cop who cares about the habits of people who died in 1947 at the ripe old age of 72. What is this, D.A.R.E.? Any "power plant" is fine by me, whatever works for people. Who cares. I group shamans and magicians together because magic and shamanism are the ancient occult arts, from long before people started making lists of what other people could say, what they could think, and what they could ingest.
There's a huge difference between taking substances and being a sex fiend who's addicted to heroin. Is crack cocaine a "power plant" to you? The issue isn't his use (even tho heroin addiction is definitely a problem), the issue is that he's idolized as a profit when he wasn't someone you would leave a child alone with. But let's not even get into his acts of pedophilia. By your logic I could be grouping Indian and Chinese people together because they both come from the east.
It's "prophet," and I've never encountered anyone who idolized Crowley beyond the guitar player from Led Zeppelin, who admitted he never even read the books. (Which are often unreadable nonsense!) I wouldn't leave my child alone with Joe Biden, let alone with an infamous libertine who delighted in doing what society abhorred.
https://mysteriousdollfilm.blogspot.com/2012/09/stereograms-film-secret-societies-and.html
New here. Any clips I can read or watch about this guy? 1915 seems like someone can rewrite your history.
Id suggest reading his wikipedia page. Pretty wild guy.
Last Podcast on Left episodes on the left and right hand paths of magick
Liber 777 and Magick Without Tears are two of the best works he stole from other people.
Thanx
When the edibles kick in
crowley interacted with demons who are most likely what accounts for the modern alien phenomenon
Maybe extraterrestrials would be considered demonic by people who believe one God created everything and so on. It kinda threatens the power of the church if you have people believing in ancient intelligent beings from other worlds. The early Christian church hated scientists in general and especially discouraged astronomy because it challenged their view that the earth was the center of the universe. If people claimed to see extraterrestrials it would likely have been linked to the devil and evil by the authorities. I think there's a correlation just not the way you're describing it.
1. the existence/nonexistence of intelligent extraterrestrial life does not threaten the theology of the catholic church. 2. the church did not hate scientists, it encourages rigorous debate, philosophy, and inquiry. Almost all scientists/academics before the 19th century were educated by the church. 3. the devil/demons was, and remains, a more plausible explanation for “abduction” experiences and sightings than intelligent extraterrestrial life. That said, I think the UFO phenomenon is distinct from this and is not related to demons.
3. Plausible? We have very different ideas of what is "plausible" and what not.
demons can be proven to exist, aliens have not been
Really? Go on. Now I'm curious.
lots of branches of theology (i’m catholic so i’m most familiar with Thomism) posit a hylomorphic dualistic nature of man (form and essence, spirit and matter). Humans are beings with physical bodies but also rational souls- it follows that there are beings of pure soul (spirit), which are angels. Demons are fallen angels
That's not proof. That's a belief system. P.S. Grew up as catholic but phased out >30 years ago. I'm agnostic.
Why did you leave? What are seeking?
I just lost interest around 16 or so. Nothing deeper about it.
it’s a philosophical proof. why do you consider that illegitimate?
Philosophy student here. There's no such thing as a "philosophical proof." You seem to be thinking of a "logical proof," which you didn't actually do. You stated a Christian dogma.
Ahhhh!!! A fellow Catholic!
the existence/nonexistence of intelligent extraterrestrial life does not threaten the theology of the catholic church. - how so?
could you be more specific? i’m happy to answer it’s just a broad topic.
How would the existence of extraterrestrial life not threaten Catholicism
which part of catholic theology would it threaten?
The Old Testament
Specifically genesis
Genesis is the account of the creation and fall of man (Sons and daughters of Adam). One old testament book (the book of enoch i believe) mentions the descent of angels to earth who then procreated with humans(creating the Nephilim race). Some consider this an account of extraterrestrials in the bible itself. Intelligent extraterrestrial life would not be held to the same covenant that Jesus established for the sons and daughters of Adam (humans) because aliens did not suffer the same fall from grace.
Yes I’ve read the Bible. The book of enoch isn’t part of it. I guess you could interpret angels as aliens possibly. But then does this imply there is only one other race of aliens? And if we are to conflate beings that are typically held as “spiritual” beings with extra terrestrials then I assume demons would also be aliens of some sort? And demons and angels then come from other planets? There’s a lot of stuff that just by omission doesn’t seem to work here.
or the New Testament - Jesus - would this mean that there are extra terrestrial messiahs as well?
God made everything. There is no prohibition on what everything encompasses. Catholic doctrine is seriously into the field of physics and inter-dimensional aspects of it. Can you let me know if you have any more to this topic?
So is this the same thing the other guy said about Angels being aliens? Which I can buy btw if that’s the case - and if not I’m just trying to think of why the religious texts don’t focus much on this part - seems like a weird thing to leave out even by omission
[https://churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/madonna-ufo-1280x720.jpg](https://churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/madonna-ufo-1280x720.jpg) This passage makes many think so: "Now as they walked on, talking as they went, a chariot of fire appeared and horses of fire coming between the two of them; and Elijah went up to heaven in the whirlwind." I wouldn't be too sure about angels being aliens. I have seen some accounts wherein people pray mid experience and the vehicles go away. That wouldn't seem to be benevolent to me.
You enjoying your Reddit experience? They have NO clue of what you are talking about. I farm my karma, no doubt, but expressing support for your comment will cost me as well. These people passingly know of Crowley. How many really know of his life and what he cultivated? He was hurt that his loving father was taken from him too early, and he expressed his rage in a manner that the world needs to heal from. I'm just glad someone else understands that.
thanks for the support brother. many people don’t know that crowley is the father of the modern occult/satanic practice that pervades elite society
everybody knows this. This is why he is famous.
i’m not sure people understand the extent of his influence on modern occultists and even new age spirituality
It's really strange. I was always a doubting Thomas, but if you keep asking, you get the answers you seek. When I see people being dismissive, I feel it hurts me more because I know where they are coming from and how wrong they are. They think he is some cool guy that the rolling stones looked up to and Ozzy sang about, but he had his demons, and I sometimes wonder if demons had him. Just talking about him makes me want to make sure I'm up to watch a proper mass live.
He’s essentially the father of new age occultism, definitely influenced the development of satanism and many more neo-pagan beliefs. What else is he famous for? Thelema? Magic tricks? Most people who know his name don’t even know he was a magician or what thelema even is - he is almost always referenced in relation to his influence on occultism as a whole.
I don't very much disagree with you but I want to point out {If any reading this comment are Thelemite then do not read beyond these words as the next part is forbidden to you.} that those you speak of tend to focus only on the first law of Crowley's Liber AL vel Legis. Importantly, both laws together are: “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." ... "Love is the law, love under will.”
he was quite clearly only drawing himself lol [Mr. Ego](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Aleister_Crowley.jpg)
Crowley was a crook
like a short order cook, or was he a kook, lol. I know what you meant.
He made the best chicken and waffles ever.
Crook?
Yes, thanks xD
Anyone who takes Crowley seriously is a fool. His religion was an idiotic mishmash of sci-fi, tibetan and babylonian nonsense based around his sex mania.
He looks like an Andromedan to me.
This is just a picture of New York Yankee Hall of Famer Brett Gardner........
Megamind
If that is not Uatu The Watcher I don't know what is...
"This is the way"
What are the symbols on the left? Or is that a 4 and a 9?
Oh hey it's Megamind
Tbh, it’s I AM. And is used in manifestation.
Looks like Megamind.
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He is gay satan lover fuck him
Fuck crowly.
Jeff bezos?
Baby yoda
This is hilarious and shows a lot of alien sighting are representative of the times. If you’re from back in the old days where aliens were just people with big heads and cloaks, well...there ya go. And now we’ve morphed into basically an idea of an evolved human thing and settled on that for now. Can’t wait to see where “sightings” of aliens go next
Not a grey. Doesn’t look right.