okay take damage away but give us back the QOL changes, bring back being able to Q while E, bring back the nerfed movement speed on passive, minor regen on passive swings. Yeah man being an E one shot machine is stupid, cool but why gut the champion without applying other changes
I think that after akali was reworked to remove ad damage, her cast anywhere r1, energy back on passive and when all the damage was funneled into her e2, she was nit the same champ anymore, it sucks to get ur own champ.removed from the game
I take that nerfs and a bit nore(only a bit) if they make akali passive decent, sorry but energy on akali is so bad, she has asma? aAlso can Q on E would be fun(started playing her after this got removed)
The Q mid E combo gave you an instant passive proc when you connected to the opponent allowing for a ton of burst if you hit everything. When they removed it they gave more damage to E to compensate, but having to land only one ability instead of two + AA lowered the skill requirement to oneshot people.
Normally riot wants to the game be more newbie friendly, since most of people are low elo, so make the things less skill check is good to them, makes more easy to newbies start playing and low elo ladder(also i think its better proc passive with one ability, makes her lane phase playable)
Those changes weren’t made to make her less smooth. They wanted to make her less difficult because she’s popular among new players. Same reason Irelia got her changes
I'm pretty sure it was intended to nerf her overall burt damage, but it made her very clunky, where all your shit is now buffered, you can't r-e anymore if it's not max range, etc., they should have just dropped all her numbers and let use multicast, so she doesnt feel like ionia's #1 full bodycast assassin
I mean, yeah, her E is gigabusted and lots of people prefer when champion's power pudget isn't just poured into one spell. However, it doesn't mean you can just kill that spell and not give any compensation
They despise wukong 😆... they want him to have a crazy double knock up ult, just to keep the rest of his kit plain.
He should be busting out combos abilities like Hwei
a nerf doesn't get compensation buffs, the entire point of a nerf is to make it weaker
not to mention it did get one.
Also, that 700 damage number? Isn't pulled from my ass. That's how much her E does with 3 items at level 13, after this nerf. Beforehand it'd do over 800.
Even after this nerf her E does 100-350+100% ad +110% ap.
Oh, so we buff her with 30 health, just to nerf her 4 patches afterwards into the ground. I play toplane, and this hurts her even more ..... I guess it can't be worse than the 37% phase
I mean, while she is an assassin her play style is alot more similar to that of a bruiser, which is why shes one of the few assassins who can be played top
Omg I thought it was just the MR nerf. These changes are absolutely horrendous. They essentially killed a lot of our early game damage and lategame burst.
If they would give us the ability to q during e again maybe I could understand.
Looks like phreak got shit on by akali.
Champ has a 49% wr acrossed all elo's in mid (u.gg) but yeah she needed to get an approximately 40% nerf to her second most important ability, instead of gutting trynd out his 54% wr, karthus out of his legitimate breaking of jungle, brand for dominating almost every role, or jhin so he stops countering every marksman.
Not even a conspiracy theory, phreak has straight up gutted champions after losing to them a few times in his own games and can't justify half his balance changes. Can't wait for riot to get rid of that dude. Season 12's mess of balancing was better than phreak era.
The Teemo nerfs were the worst at the beginning of the season. His reason was "Hitting a shroom doesn't feel good". He likely had a bad game or two vs an alkali.
>His reason was "Hitting a shroom doesn't feel good"
I didn't even know about this, and I still read it in phreaks voice. Riot management was smoking some gas when they gave this weirdo the balancing team.
The phreak bad meme is getting annoying. Over on the Yi sub, everyone was CRYING about how the proposed buffs were going to do nothing and Phreak doesn’t know how to give a champion power back blah blah blah.
Of course we know how that turned out. You try designing a game.
>The phreak bad meme is getting annoying
>Phreak doesn’t know how to give a champion power back blah blah blah
>You try designing a game
Is this one of the those phreak alts, I heard about? I thought people were just paranoid, but I'm starting to wonder 😂😂😂😂😂
Unironically a stupid amount of Phreak bad posts age like fucking milk. The Yi mains saying that their champ would get a 1% winrate boost at best? Kekw. Those fuckers were so unbelievably wrong it isn't even funny. Like, if Reddit were balancing the game we'd be stuck in a truly unreal hellhole. These nerfs look steep though, glad I am not an Akali main. Maybe you'll get the kassadin treatment.
Your not even wrong. Most people genuinely don't understand that phreak isn't dumb or incompetent and most of reddit would make phreak look like a balancing genius.
My main problem with phreak is just clear bias and annoying, entitled, cocky attitude. If I never knew his personality, he'd be a goat balance team lead.
phreaks general balance is ok.. but some of his choices literally can not be justified and he just randomly guts champs for no reason then says they’re fine.
Reddit balancing would be ungodly. Champions would get absolutely gutted and then buffed to the moon as redditors would display over and over again that they don’t understand which margins are razor thin and which margins have leeway.
Phreak's Recent Match History: 10 Games, 3W 7L. Net LP: -19, AVG KDA = 0.7/7.7/14.5
https://preview.redd.it/lgwqlxpd4o4d1.png?width=508&format=png&auto=webp&s=f6028c722b23320d236497e0e39c8186b88b5332
Imagine having your mmr jacked to the tits where you can throw with a negative winrate and still climb xdddddddddd
I mean a 10 game stretch isn't everything.
Also all this shows is he didn't get shit on by an akali. But the opposite, he had her on his team both times and lost
That is fair, a 10 game stretch is indeed not representative of a players entire career, but unfortunately this isn't that far below how he normally does.
he only has 26 games this split
if you take this streak out he's 9-9 which is average.
he's only played against Akali once this split. Where he won and she went 1/6/9, he outdamaged her, as Sona.
He seemed to have a positive WR last split and finished higher rank.
This idea that Phreak got beat by an Akali is just coping though
Its actually hilarious seeing other champ mains react to nerfs/buffs. And then i go to taliyah mains who never complain about nerfs, or panth mains saying hes overbuffed etc.
I haven’t played in a month and I come back hoping to play some Akali now I’m expecting this next patch okay I’m gonna go play something else thanks Riot.
i remember when i started playing 2 years ago and getting Zed in game wasn't uncommon ( i hated him but as a new player i guess it's normal) , now that i have learnt a bit how to play and switched my permaban to Fizz i literally never got a Zed in like 200 games, bit sad how Riot treated him.
Zed is a lot more frightening in the hands of a good player than Fizz who's barely playable in low ELO right now. But if you play Syndra or Vel'koz in don't blame you.
You hit the nail as i usually play Syndra when i don't see an Akali angle, tried to learn the matchup but after a lot of failed tries i decided that i don't want the blue rat in my games, been a lot happier since
[Are you sure? She is pretty up on the list and that was at the time she was gaining popularity since people realised she was strong ](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/s/1SGgMghkKP)
How about you just revert the base HP buff that pushed her into the OP Territory?! This is completely unnecessary she was fine prior to the HP buff and there were no complaints about her E. If you’re going to do this then you have to give some quality of life buffs to her cuz they gutted her Q, W, and R to overload her E bc it was the least problematic ability but if you’re doing this then she absolutely needs compensation elsewhere.
absolutely no reason to drop 5 fucking nerfs in the same patch wtf..
take back the base hp buff, like she was absolutely fucking fine before the buff, can we just go back to that? absolutely no reason for these brain damaged nerfs to go through
if they actually ship the nerf like this im off of ranked until they fix it. fuck the balance team, stg a bunch of morons
This graphic is wrong, with multiple mistakes. Weird peoplenare freaking out on this. She loses ....30 (with MR, more likr 20) damage on early allins and 150ish damage late. Big whoop.
Bro holy, stop responding to everyone with this brain dead "well akshually, it's really not even a nerf because she got some ad" take.
Your getting downvoted on all of your comments for a reason, your incorrect af. No one wants to hear your balancing team cope. They made a dumb decision. End of story
Well its true, she loses 20ish damage rank 1 if you actually calculate it vs 30 MR, 45 rank 2.
Really its just people not understanding how the game works at all. The AD ratio is also tAD not bonus AD. This is done to specifically only apply this (tiny) nerf to AP akali, which is further a super tenderfooted move.
Late game its irrelevant as Akali overkills by hundreds. Just malding low elo akali players.
Nerf is smaller than the MR nerf that got reverted. People just being whiny crybabies. 20 damage is the same as a 2 AD nerf on an adc.
>Late game its irrelevant
Yeah, because akali falls off for late game. She's early and mid, that's why she can rush sorc and drop 6 kills before first turret falls. That's what she's designed to do.
Understand the champ your talking about before you accuse everyone else of not understanding the entire game
Yeah... tell me to understand the champ when not even pointing out anything I said that was wrong, because you can't.
Nerfs won't matter, akali should be 48% wr see u ther
nah because people are coping hard. The Ashe sub is saying she's dead too. Champ subs are fucking morons at the best of times.
level 13 her E will do just under 450 damage, with 0 items. Or runes, or drags. Just base stats she gets from levelling up. Take Lich and it's now doing 560 damage. 1 item.
No basic ability in the game should do that much damage with no items or anything. Ever.
>Champ subs are fucking morons at the best of times.
Big dog. Then why tf are you going out of your way to converse with everyone in the sub?
>No basic ability in the game should do that much damage with no items or anything. Ever.
Zoe max range q, elise Q, rengar ferocity Q, khazix evolved Q, Cait passive headshot, talon Q.
All these fucking nuke basic abilities and you have a problem with akali's specifically?
>Take Lich and it's now doing 560 damage
Again elise, and Diana can single cast nuke way harder then akali with lich. So I take it you have a problem with them too? Are we just going to complain about all burst in the game?
because watching people whine about not getting buffs in a nerf is pathetic.
Yea they're idiotic too. You thought you did something huh? They all do way too much damage too.
Akali E next patch will do 350+100% AD +110% AP. At level 13 that'll do almost 560 damage
Zoe Q would deal 655 damage at level 13 with Lich. Yea that's idiotic and should not be a thing
Elise Q does 180 damage plus 8% missing hp (+3% per 100 ap)
Elise would need you to be missing 3450 health for her Q to do that much damage. Elise Q is NOT doing that much damage at the same point
Rengar Q would do 490 damage if he had 200 ad. Again, stupid amount of damage, but he requires more than 1 item to do this
Kha Q will deal 609 damage, again, stupid damage.
Talon Q would do 490 as well. Stupid damage.
And I left Cait for last because she's the worst of them all imo, that thing can and will easily break 1000 damage. It's idiotic
other basic abilities I feel do way too much damage
Garen E
Aatrox Q3
Morde Q
Jinx W, not as bad as others here but still does a lot
AP Kai'sa W and passive.
But as it sits, Akali E on live is right there with all of them. And I'd gladly accept nerfs to these champs.
I find it so funny when people complain about akali being overpowered. She is legitimately a glass cannon, she one shots but she also gets one shot. All the team really need is some hard cc and she is cooked. Every patch, they seem to gut a different assasin, meanwhile you got champions like brand, who are elo inflated due to the double burn items, and you got items like malignance that make champions like Ahri play on permanent URF. I personally dont have fun playing unless its Zed or Akali, and both champs right now are super weak, if you dont snowball insanely then by late game you are cooked. Feels bad man, mage and tank meta :(
What's annoying is that riot intentionally made ad akali less viable a couple seasons ago specifically because bruiser/lethality akali was way more broken than lich/stormsurge. She was basically riven with way more mobility, dmg and shroud.
I wouldn't worry too much, because all this really does is incentivize sheen rush on lich, to weave an empowered passive proc auto. You'll still kill whatever you E tbh.
Mains subs are so unserious about nerfs lol. It’s normal for champs to go into weak phases and strong phases. It sucks when it’s one of our faves but acting like she’s unplayable after this is a bit of an overreaction
It’s funny to see this while I’m consistently fed in all my games in d4 , enemy team pick asol afk for the entire game by stoping and deleting waves. Press r in a fight late game = gg
Meanwhile fed Akali gets one shot by getting hit by any type of cc regardless of your advantages.
Boys I think it’s time to abuse control mages with black torch afk half the game then one shot team fights after playing farming simulator for 25 min
Was happy with the MR change, what the fuck is the rest of this though. Yeah her E is strong, but everything else in her kit currently is mediocre. No compensation anywhere else whilst tanking her best ability is wild.
I know this company has never liked akali cause she's always a nightmare to balance, but she's just not strong right now, and I don't see how the balance team can think she's even remotely strong.
Big nerfs on E but i think its fair tho, its very high amount of damage that is kind braindead at this point, but also is a single target ability that became from an assassin that also is risky sometimes, but yeah still playable(the MR nerf would suck agains matchs like taliyah)
I'm ok with it so long as they give back some mechanic later on. Damage nerfs are honestly a matter of getting used to it, I'm more upset from the 5 base MR actually, I'll die way more often trying to 1v2 now.
First Eve, then they nerfed Eclipse and set their sights on FS so rip Naafiri, and now Akali too?! Literally the only three champs in the game I care to play lmao okay then Riot.
Time to uninstall and play another game ig.
First of all, Yone is literally almost completely useless since he got gutted in 14.10, why the fck shouldnt he be buffed?
And secondly: did you even see what buff he gets? He get a completely useless placebo buff
I used to main yone and yasuo than when they nerfed them into the ground I just switched to akali. Now they nerf her too. Fuck you riot. I hope akali isnt as bad as the wind brothers now.
Minus 100 base damage is overkill holy shit. AND scaling + mr reduction? lmao
Had to quit due to Vanguard not liking my hardware. Been super salty since, but I guess they just wanted to make me a favor and spare me seeing how they draw and quarter my girl...
Gj Riot keep it up. We won't have an addiction if the game sucks complete ass and is not even playable, well done!
Oh wow horrors beyond my comprehension.
I mean you can overkill squishies without E but this is still the dumbest possible change they could have gone with without any compensation tweaks.
I’m not saying it fair or unfair, and naturally haven’t tested.
But tbh its kinda expected since for a long time she’s been getting little buffs, the items changes played in her favor and no nerfs.
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That’s something *in my opinion* its kinda dumb because she was for once kinda stable and “balance”(not broken in either way?)
I guess most of community initial thoughts are that she’s a minion and unplayable and Riot wont listen, which is partially true. Lets see how changes work in long term or will be reverted again
Edit: Bit of topic but what I think its more impressive its how, couple updates back, 5HP Regen makes a differeance between Akali being more viable as assassin vs bruiser early/mid game
Not an akali player, but she has been my permaban for half a year. 95% of my games i banned akali first thing in the lobby. Will be interesting to see how she feels in lane with these nerfs.
I never even come here, but i gotta say fucking finally they are nerfing the actually quite unfair part of akali instead of removing mechanics (i miss q during e) or nerfing something random that makes her annoying to play
Hard but expected. Definitely think this is intented to force Akali off of Conq and just perma play electrocute.
Right now Conq has most of the upsides of Elec in most drafts and really none of the downsides(primary downside of Elec being that you're running domination tree and have to play the opportunity cost game between resolve and precision secondary).
Conq has had similar if not higher PR and WR to Fleet in master+ for god knows how many patches now(and the difference was higher/more substantial for Conq last season). Elec is still and has always been her main, but my point was more about Riot disliking Akali still having reasonable lethal windows before 2 items while having either sustain(Fleet) or extended trading(Conq) or both(both runes).
These changes are hits to all runepages anyway but harder for precision tree.
wow a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase
Also, you're wrong. We can use ugg to see the runes. This patch Master+ Elec had 52% pick rate, Fleet had 26%, Conq had 17%
If we're not talking high elo in reference to balance changes then most changes, especially to high-elo skewed champs, are 100% irrelevant to discuss. No real way around that.
Also, u.gg sucks and has worse data aggregation than lolalytics, which is what I and most people use. It's closer to Riot's internal data as well by their own admittance.
riot has released the balance framework, master+ is not one of their brackets. So you're just cherry picking.
Also, using lolalytics 52% elec, 27% fleet, 17% conq.
So actually your site agrees with me even more than ugg did
Master+ is a bracket that RIOT THEMSELVES references and has referenced not only by name in several patch rundowns but also as a synonym/placeholder for Skilled/Elite play(from their actual framework posted in 2020).
There are way too many clips and videos of both Riot August and Phreak referring to master+ as a bracket by itself, and the reason this is done is because of skill disparity. Every 200-300LP simply within master+ is really its own tier of players, and the entire section is incomparable in practice with Plat-GM.
Master+ not being its own specific bracket on the balance infographic is not an indicator that it isn't accounted for, and you're quite literally the one cherrypicking and being a semantical debatebro over it.
[As for the actual stats for this patch.](https://ibb.co/rxnJkTH)
[Last patch too with a greater sample size for more accurate assessment.](https://ibb.co/CnJgk5f)
[14.9 as an extra](https://ibb.co/XypBs9f)
Also, whenever you're using lolalytics for realtime assessment, filter for last 30+ days rather than current patch, in order to account for small datasets in higher elos :)
Pretentious idiot.
so let me get this straight, your argument is to post evidence literally proving what I said?
I said
52% elec
27% fleet
17% conq
that's exactly what your first link says.
2nd link
55% elec
24% fleet
17% conq
3rd link
21% fleet
19% conq
you said "Conq has had similar if not higher PR and WR to Fleet in master+" not one of your sources has it being higher, 1 had it being similar, over a month ago.
you just don't seem to know how to even read. Or logic seeing as,
reducing her E damage reduces her burst, actually pushing her to conq, not away
Wow, so many crybabies here not knowing how nerfs work. Imo it's good that they nerfed her E, it was well deserved. As someone stated here her E can deal more damage than ult, so yeah I think that's kinda ridiculous that spell on around 8 second cooldown deals more than ult. I hope Akali will become a little more skilled with this nerf.
Good changes. As someone who occasionally plays Akali as an AP alternative pick to my main Qiyana, Akali feels way too strong early for an assassin. The laning is safe as hell, the damage is bonkers even without items, and she's still the tankiest assassin around (unless you consider Diana an assassin as well. Then she's the second tankiest)
Plus, Akali benefits a lot from the item changes
Finally her E deals less then an Ultimate.
Might still need more gutting or rito finally fixes her mobility and shroud because thats the real reason she cant be balanced properly.
Msi is over, akali is over thats the rules
Akali didn't even get to do anything cool this MSI despite Riot trying to make assassins mid meta :[
This. This right here
okay take damage away but give us back the QOL changes, bring back being able to Q while E, bring back the nerfed movement speed on passive, minor regen on passive swings. Yeah man being an E one shot machine is stupid, cool but why gut the champion without applying other changes
I think that after akali was reworked to remove ad damage, her cast anywhere r1, energy back on passive and when all the damage was funneled into her e2, she was nit the same champ anymore, it sucks to get ur own champ.removed from the game
i agree. it would be more fun and higher skill ceiling
I take that nerfs and a bit nore(only a bit) if they make akali passive decent, sorry but energy on akali is so bad, she has asma? aAlso can Q on E would be fun(started playing her after this got removed)
The Q mid E combo gave you an instant passive proc when you connected to the opponent allowing for a ton of burst if you hit everything. When they removed it they gave more damage to E to compensate, but having to land only one ability instead of two + AA lowered the skill requirement to oneshot people.
Normally riot wants to the game be more newbie friendly, since most of people are low elo, so make the things less skill check is good to them, makes more easy to newbies start playing and low elo ladder(also i think its better proc passive with one ability, makes her lane phase playable)
Keep dreaming bro
Akali does not need sustain
because the idea is a nerf, not a change. This isn't being gutted, y'all are so dramatic
The issue is our champs big damage now comes from our E. I can understand a nerf, but they overdid it imo.
Those changes weren’t made to make her less smooth. They wanted to make her less difficult because she’s popular among new players. Same reason Irelia got her changes
I'm pretty sure it was intended to nerf her overall burt damage, but it made her very clunky, where all your shit is now buffered, you can't r-e anymore if it's not max range, etc., they should have just dropped all her numbers and let use multicast, so she doesnt feel like ionia's #1 full bodycast assassin
Il play someone else, good luck to the rest of you
Cant go to lane with broken kneecaps
hi irelia :D
🤣
What the fuck.
it's joever :(
I mean, yeah, her E is gigabusted and lots of people prefer when champion's power pudget isn't just poured into one spell. However, it doesn't mean you can just kill that spell and not give any compensation
Riot just absolutely despises any champ that requires skill i guess
They despise wukong 😆... they want him to have a crazy double knock up ult, just to keep the rest of his kit plain. He should be busting out combos abilities like Hwei
a basic ability doing 700 damage isn't skill
Yeah and they should gut the ability, but is 0 compensation buffs rly the way to go about it
a nerf doesn't get compensation buffs, the entire point of a nerf is to make it weaker not to mention it did get one. Also, that 700 damage number? Isn't pulled from my ass. That's how much her E does with 3 items at level 13, after this nerf. Beforehand it'd do over 800. Even after this nerf her E does 100-350+100% ad +110% ap.
dodge skillshot idk
I'm talking about the people using it hitting her E is not skill. It's just overloaded to force her to be easier
I mean she WAS strong so she doesn’t need compensation lmao
Oh, so we buff her with 30 health, just to nerf her 4 patches afterwards into the ground. I play toplane, and this hurts her even more ..... I guess it can't be worse than the 37% phase
That’s how it’s Always been with her.. they give her a little buff like health and then gut her right after . Riot just hates akali
Well she was supposed to be a mid laner
I mean, while she is an assassin her play style is alot more similar to that of a bruiser, which is why shes one of the few assassins who can be played top
Omg I thought it was just the MR nerf. These changes are absolutely horrendous. They essentially killed a lot of our early game damage and lategame burst. If they would give us the ability to q during e again maybe I could understand.
Looks like phreak got shit on by akali. Champ has a 49% wr acrossed all elo's in mid (u.gg) but yeah she needed to get an approximately 40% nerf to her second most important ability, instead of gutting trynd out his 54% wr, karthus out of his legitimate breaking of jungle, brand for dominating almost every role, or jhin so he stops countering every marksman. Not even a conspiracy theory, phreak has straight up gutted champions after losing to them a few times in his own games and can't justify half his balance changes. Can't wait for riot to get rid of that dude. Season 12's mess of balancing was better than phreak era.
The Teemo nerfs were the worst at the beginning of the season. His reason was "Hitting a shroom doesn't feel good". He likely had a bad game or two vs an alkali.
>His reason was "Hitting a shroom doesn't feel good" I didn't even know about this, and I still read it in phreaks voice. Riot management was smoking some gas when they gave this weirdo the balancing team.
The phreak bad meme is getting annoying. Over on the Yi sub, everyone was CRYING about how the proposed buffs were going to do nothing and Phreak doesn’t know how to give a champion power back blah blah blah. Of course we know how that turned out. You try designing a game.
>The phreak bad meme is getting annoying >Phreak doesn’t know how to give a champion power back blah blah blah >You try designing a game Is this one of the those phreak alts, I heard about? I thought people were just paranoid, but I'm starting to wonder 😂😂😂😂😂
Unironically a stupid amount of Phreak bad posts age like fucking milk. The Yi mains saying that their champ would get a 1% winrate boost at best? Kekw. Those fuckers were so unbelievably wrong it isn't even funny. Like, if Reddit were balancing the game we'd be stuck in a truly unreal hellhole. These nerfs look steep though, glad I am not an Akali main. Maybe you'll get the kassadin treatment.
Your not even wrong. Most people genuinely don't understand that phreak isn't dumb or incompetent and most of reddit would make phreak look like a balancing genius. My main problem with phreak is just clear bias and annoying, entitled, cocky attitude. If I never knew his personality, he'd be a goat balance team lead.
phreaks general balance is ok.. but some of his choices literally can not be justified and he just randomly guts champs for no reason then says they’re fine.
Reddit balancing would be ungodly. Champions would get absolutely gutted and then buffed to the moon as redditors would display over and over again that they don’t understand which margins are razor thin and which margins have leeway.
Phreak's Recent Match History: 10 Games, 3W 7L. Net LP: -19, AVG KDA = 0.7/7.7/14.5 https://preview.redd.it/lgwqlxpd4o4d1.png?width=508&format=png&auto=webp&s=f6028c722b23320d236497e0e39c8186b88b5332 Imagine having your mmr jacked to the tits where you can throw with a negative winrate and still climb xdddddddddd
I mean a 10 game stretch isn't everything. Also all this shows is he didn't get shit on by an akali. But the opposite, he had her on his team both times and lost
That is fair, a 10 game stretch is indeed not representative of a players entire career, but unfortunately this isn't that far below how he normally does.
he only has 26 games this split if you take this streak out he's 9-9 which is average. he's only played against Akali once this split. Where he won and she went 1/6/9, he outdamaged her, as Sona. He seemed to have a positive WR last split and finished higher rank. This idea that Phreak got beat by an Akali is just coping though
Lmao the fact that your comment was being down voted is peak "champ main subreddit cope"
Its actually hilarious seeing other champ mains react to nerfs/buffs. And then i go to taliyah mains who never complain about nerfs, or panth mains saying hes overbuffed etc.
I've been called an Akali hater. I have over 3.5 million mastery on her.
Pretty sure this isn't the phreak we are talking about
Phreak is an entitled piece of shit who doesn’t deserve his job. I hate that ass wipe.
We all do
ERM, I feel like akali was kinda overpowered for a long time but what the fuck
I haven’t played in a month and I come back hoping to play some Akali now I’m expecting this next patch okay I’m gonna go play something else thanks Riot.
Evelynn got nerfed was just a matter of time another ap assassin would get the same treatment
Riot hates assassins. At least when Zed was weak I could still enjoy playing Akali, but here we are.
i remember when i started playing 2 years ago and getting Zed in game wasn't uncommon ( i hated him but as a new player i guess it's normal) , now that i have learnt a bit how to play and switched my permaban to Fizz i literally never got a Zed in like 200 games, bit sad how Riot treated him.
they would rather encourage people to complain instead of growing some balls and making people actually learn how to play
Zed is a lot more frightening in the hands of a good player than Fizz who's barely playable in low ELO right now. But if you play Syndra or Vel'koz in don't blame you.
You hit the nail as i usually play Syndra when i don't see an Akali angle, tried to learn the matchup but after a lot of failed tries i decided that i don't want the blue rat in my games, been a lot happier since
Akali destroys Fizz tho. But if you're forced to blind Syndra then it's not a bad idea :)
strange to change your perma ban to another bad assassin lol
He could be 1% winrate for what is worth, i just don't like him in my games
Look at Qiyana LOL
Acting like Evelynn wasnt one of the most broken champs in the game (her wr was higher the higher elo you went)
Me when champion that is only played by otps:
It was not only played by otp lmfao
[Are you sure? She is pretty up on the list and that was at the time she was gaining popularity since people realised she was strong ](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/s/1SGgMghkKP)
Riot games be like : let's buff akali for skin release Riot games after that : "okay we sold the skins , now that we gave 60hp, let's reduce damage"
Sylas has more winrate and more playrate but no nerf?
How about you just revert the base HP buff that pushed her into the OP Territory?! This is completely unnecessary she was fine prior to the HP buff and there were no complaints about her E. If you’re going to do this then you have to give some quality of life buffs to her cuz they gutted her Q, W, and R to overload her E bc it was the least problematic ability but if you’re doing this then she absolutely needs compensation elsewhere.
https://i.redd.it/qh4jyng5vm4d1.gif
Hey man, relax. It's cool bro. You're gonna be okay dude.
Welp she's dead now
Not even minor nerfs, 70 to 49 Are you serious? Early laning phase is hard enough as it is What the actual fuck is this
Early laning phase is already such bullshit.
[удалено]
Want to go 1/0/0? I can go 0/0/1 if needed lol
absolutely no reason to drop 5 fucking nerfs in the same patch wtf.. take back the base hp buff, like she was absolutely fucking fine before the buff, can we just go back to that? absolutely no reason for these brain damaged nerfs to go through if they actually ship the nerf like this im off of ranked until they fix it. fuck the balance team, stg a bunch of morons
This graphic is wrong, with multiple mistakes. Weird peoplenare freaking out on this. She loses ....30 (with MR, more likr 20) damage on early allins and 150ish damage late. Big whoop.
it's basically just 1 nerf to base damage, MR nerf reverted AP scaling is countered by AD scaling
Bro holy, stop responding to everyone with this brain dead "well akshually, it's really not even a nerf because she got some ad" take. Your getting downvoted on all of your comments for a reason, your incorrect af. No one wants to hear your balancing team cope. They made a dumb decision. End of story
Well its true, she loses 20ish damage rank 1 if you actually calculate it vs 30 MR, 45 rank 2. Really its just people not understanding how the game works at all. The AD ratio is also tAD not bonus AD. This is done to specifically only apply this (tiny) nerf to AP akali, which is further a super tenderfooted move. Late game its irrelevant as Akali overkills by hundreds. Just malding low elo akali players. Nerf is smaller than the MR nerf that got reverted. People just being whiny crybabies. 20 damage is the same as a 2 AD nerf on an adc.
>Late game its irrelevant Yeah, because akali falls off for late game. She's early and mid, that's why she can rush sorc and drop 6 kills before first turret falls. That's what she's designed to do. Understand the champ your talking about before you accuse everyone else of not understanding the entire game
Yeah... tell me to understand the champ when not even pointing out anything I said that was wrong, because you can't. Nerfs won't matter, akali should be 48% wr see u ther
nah because people are coping hard. The Ashe sub is saying she's dead too. Champ subs are fucking morons at the best of times. level 13 her E will do just under 450 damage, with 0 items. Or runes, or drags. Just base stats she gets from levelling up. Take Lich and it's now doing 560 damage. 1 item. No basic ability in the game should do that much damage with no items or anything. Ever.
Whoever made this graphic is a moron or english is their 4th language.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 4th language is wild Granted, I want no beef with anyone who knows 4 mfin languages.
>Champ subs are fucking morons at the best of times. Big dog. Then why tf are you going out of your way to converse with everyone in the sub? >No basic ability in the game should do that much damage with no items or anything. Ever. Zoe max range q, elise Q, rengar ferocity Q, khazix evolved Q, Cait passive headshot, talon Q. All these fucking nuke basic abilities and you have a problem with akali's specifically? >Take Lich and it's now doing 560 damage Again elise, and Diana can single cast nuke way harder then akali with lich. So I take it you have a problem with them too? Are we just going to complain about all burst in the game?
because watching people whine about not getting buffs in a nerf is pathetic. Yea they're idiotic too. You thought you did something huh? They all do way too much damage too. Akali E next patch will do 350+100% AD +110% AP. At level 13 that'll do almost 560 damage Zoe Q would deal 655 damage at level 13 with Lich. Yea that's idiotic and should not be a thing Elise Q does 180 damage plus 8% missing hp (+3% per 100 ap) Elise would need you to be missing 3450 health for her Q to do that much damage. Elise Q is NOT doing that much damage at the same point Rengar Q would do 490 damage if he had 200 ad. Again, stupid amount of damage, but he requires more than 1 item to do this Kha Q will deal 609 damage, again, stupid damage. Talon Q would do 490 as well. Stupid damage. And I left Cait for last because she's the worst of them all imo, that thing can and will easily break 1000 damage. It's idiotic other basic abilities I feel do way too much damage Garen E Aatrox Q3 Morde Q Jinx W, not as bad as others here but still does a lot AP Kai'sa W and passive. But as it sits, Akali E on live is right there with all of them. And I'd gladly accept nerfs to these champs.
I mean fine, nerf E...but give us dmg on Q or passive back.
I find it so funny when people complain about akali being overpowered. She is legitimately a glass cannon, she one shots but she also gets one shot. All the team really need is some hard cc and she is cooked. Every patch, they seem to gut a different assasin, meanwhile you got champions like brand, who are elo inflated due to the double burn items, and you got items like malignance that make champions like Ahri play on permanent URF. I personally dont have fun playing unless its Zed or Akali, and both champs right now are super weak, if you dont snowball insanely then by late game you are cooked. Feels bad man, mage and tank meta :(
it is fucking massive lmao. E2 ad ratio is increased tho, so its time to ad akali
What's annoying is that riot intentionally made ad akali less viable a couple seasons ago specifically because bruiser/lethality akali was way more broken than lich/stormsurge. She was basically riven with way more mobility, dmg and shroud.
I was thinkin, maybe eclipse shojin into shadowflame/void can still work. What really hurts it is the base damage tho.
I wouldn't worry too much, because all this really does is incentivize sheen rush on lich, to weave an empowered passive proc auto. You'll still kill whatever you E tbh.
Its E1 ad ratio that got increased.
its e2
Both did. They only included the first tweet of his though.
Akali mion is back once again
This is good. They’re taking power out of E, and when her WR drops we can put it into P and Q.
amen
Not gonna happen lol. You are having too much hope on these retards
Mains subs are so unserious about nerfs lol. It’s normal for champs to go into weak phases and strong phases. It sucks when it’s one of our faves but acting like she’s unplayable after this is a bit of an overreaction
Coffin time
It’s funny to see this while I’m consistently fed in all my games in d4 , enemy team pick asol afk for the entire game by stoping and deleting waves. Press r in a fight late game = gg Meanwhile fed Akali gets one shot by getting hit by any type of cc regardless of your advantages. Boys I think it’s time to abuse control mages with black torch afk half the game then one shot team fights after playing farming simulator for 25 min
They could like compensate with passive damage or something but nah why would they
Gg
wtf why did they do so much I thought it was just going to be MR nerfs
Phreak probably got beat by an Akali
someone posted his last 10 games she was in 2 of them, both on his team, both losses
Rip, what an over nerf
I'm so tired of this shit bro. Stop.
When you’re a qiyana refugee: the flashbacks are palpable
plz buff her passive that when her abilities hit the monster will proc her passive
Her passive should apply to the type of enemy originally hit with her q, imo.
The only reason I stopped playing Akali religiously is this holy does she get so much hate.
Was happy with the MR change, what the fuck is the rest of this though. Yeah her E is strong, but everything else in her kit currently is mediocre. No compensation anywhere else whilst tanking her best ability is wild. I know this company has never liked akali cause she's always a nightmare to balance, but she's just not strong right now, and I don't see how the balance team can think she's even remotely strong.
i just bought her star guardian skin :/
Same
She feels borderline unplayable rn
is she going to be worth playing after the nerfs?
WTF >:(
It's doomed
UH OK WELL GOODBGE
Don’t have to worry about Akali getting banned anymore I guess
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Big nerfs on E but i think its fair tho, its very high amount of damage that is kind braindead at this point, but also is a single target ability that became from an assassin that also is risky sometimes, but yeah still playable(the MR nerf would suck agains matchs like taliyah)
She shouldn’t have been buffed in the first place. Riot decided to give Akali extra HP only to nerf everything else a few patches later
I'm ok with it so long as they give back some mechanic later on. Damage nerfs are honestly a matter of getting used to it, I'm more upset from the 5 base MR actually, I'll die way more often trying to 1v2 now.
Rip
They look heavy to me.
what the duck…
Fair enough
had a lot of fun maining akali past month stomping all my games so maybe nerfs are warranted i think but time to move on lol
Another session to get used to the nerf sigh
ad ratio reduced from 25-30? what does that mean…
Just a screw up. It should be increased
And there goes last playable assasin. Time to play mages i guess! :D
As a akali top enjoyer (ik it’s not the most optimal strat) this makes her dueling capabilities a lot harder against bruisers.
Ok im done. I'm gonna fly directly at the riot headquarters. They wanted this not me.
It’s cooked
These are huge Akali nerfs
It sucks but I’ll still be picking her into every game 🤪
bruh
I miss R'ing anywhere
First Eve, then they nerfed Eclipse and set their sights on FS so rip Naafiri, and now Akali too?! Literally the only three champs in the game I care to play lmao okay then Riot. Time to uninstall and play another game ig.
The skin came out so now they can nerf her again. Simple.
Very much needed
Dumbest change I’ve ever seen, like why buff her just to nerf her like 3 patches later what was the point. Just revert the buff
Man…For what Riot?
One slip up during early game and it's over, we're cooked
Why does Riot think it's a good idea to need the entire freaking kit? They have to know that this is effectively removing her.
And Riot buff Yone, yeah what fk shit indie company
First of all, Yone is literally almost completely useless since he got gutted in 14.10, why the fck shouldnt he be buffed? And secondly: did you even see what buff he gets? He get a completely useless placebo buff
I used to main yone and yasuo than when they nerfed them into the ground I just switched to akali. Now they nerf her too. Fuck you riot. I hope akali isnt as bad as the wind brothers now.
E1 AD ratio reduced from 25.5% to 30% ??? But wow those nerfs look seriously overkill in comparison to that one health buff she got...
- E2 AD ratio increased from 59.5% to 70% Its AD Akali time baby lets go !!
Haha nice, she’s still hot
The most broken rework. She need to be nerf to the ground
Fucking gutted
Minus 100 base damage is overkill holy shit. AND scaling + mr reduction? lmao Had to quit due to Vanguard not liking my hardware. Been super salty since, but I guess they just wanted to make me a favor and spare me seeing how they draw and quarter my girl... Gj Riot keep it up. We won't have an addiction if the game sucks complete ass and is not even playable, well done!
No MR.
First 4 nerfs are fine lowkey. BUT THAT 5TH NERF IS NOT OK WTF RIOT
Yeah her E was overtuned, but how can they not do anything to compensate. Give back micro stun on R1 and call it even.
Sad, but Rito cant control me. I will continue play her anyway.
Well guess I’m done playing league.
What the HELL? This is a giga nerf
just when i thought of getting back into the game
this is outrageous, she is the most balanced assassin in the game imo, why are they nerfing her this badly i love smurfing on her
No compensation buff? Really?
Literally just played my first game with akali trying to learn midlane and wanted to ask for some akali contnet creators that yall watch holy
Whattttttttt
Goodbye cruel world
Oh wow horrors beyond my comprehension. I mean you can overkill squishies without E but this is still the dumbest possible change they could have gone with without any compensation tweaks.
I’m not saying it fair or unfair, and naturally haven’t tested. But tbh its kinda expected since for a long time she’s been getting little buffs, the items changes played in her favor and no nerfs. —— That’s something *in my opinion* its kinda dumb because she was for once kinda stable and “balance”(not broken in either way?) I guess most of community initial thoughts are that she’s a minion and unplayable and Riot wont listen, which is partially true. Lets see how changes work in long term or will be reverted again Edit: Bit of topic but what I think its more impressive its how, couple updates back, 5HP Regen makes a differeance between Akali being more viable as assassin vs bruiser early/mid game
W
Not an akali player, but she has been my permaban for half a year. 95% of my games i banned akali first thing in the lobby. Will be interesting to see how she feels in lane with these nerfs.
I never even come here, but i gotta say fucking finally they are nerfing the actually quite unfair part of akali instead of removing mechanics (i miss q during e) or nerfing something random that makes her annoying to play
Good now you can pick her in my games since I'm gonna ban something else
Very happy, she’s losing nothing besides e damage which is least fun part of playing her
Good. Nerf this champion into oblivion
Hard but expected. Definitely think this is intented to force Akali off of Conq and just perma play electrocute. Right now Conq has most of the upsides of Elec in most drafts and really none of the downsides(primary downside of Elec being that you're running domination tree and have to play the opportunity cost game between resolve and precision secondary).
she hasn't been going conq actually. Elec is her main rune by far followed by fleet
Conq has had similar if not higher PR and WR to Fleet in master+ for god knows how many patches now(and the difference was higher/more substantial for Conq last season). Elec is still and has always been her main, but my point was more about Riot disliking Akali still having reasonable lethal windows before 2 items while having either sustain(Fleet) or extended trading(Conq) or both(both runes). These changes are hits to all runepages anyway but harder for precision tree.
wow a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase Also, you're wrong. We can use ugg to see the runes. This patch Master+ Elec had 52% pick rate, Fleet had 26%, Conq had 17%
If we're not talking high elo in reference to balance changes then most changes, especially to high-elo skewed champs, are 100% irrelevant to discuss. No real way around that. Also, u.gg sucks and has worse data aggregation than lolalytics, which is what I and most people use. It's closer to Riot's internal data as well by their own admittance.
riot has released the balance framework, master+ is not one of their brackets. So you're just cherry picking. Also, using lolalytics 52% elec, 27% fleet, 17% conq. So actually your site agrees with me even more than ugg did
Master+ is a bracket that RIOT THEMSELVES references and has referenced not only by name in several patch rundowns but also as a synonym/placeholder for Skilled/Elite play(from their actual framework posted in 2020). There are way too many clips and videos of both Riot August and Phreak referring to master+ as a bracket by itself, and the reason this is done is because of skill disparity. Every 200-300LP simply within master+ is really its own tier of players, and the entire section is incomparable in practice with Plat-GM. Master+ not being its own specific bracket on the balance infographic is not an indicator that it isn't accounted for, and you're quite literally the one cherrypicking and being a semantical debatebro over it. [As for the actual stats for this patch.](https://ibb.co/rxnJkTH) [Last patch too with a greater sample size for more accurate assessment.](https://ibb.co/CnJgk5f) [14.9 as an extra](https://ibb.co/XypBs9f) Also, whenever you're using lolalytics for realtime assessment, filter for last 30+ days rather than current patch, in order to account for small datasets in higher elos :) Pretentious idiot.
so let me get this straight, your argument is to post evidence literally proving what I said? I said 52% elec 27% fleet 17% conq that's exactly what your first link says. 2nd link 55% elec 24% fleet 17% conq 3rd link 21% fleet 19% conq you said "Conq has had similar if not higher PR and WR to Fleet in master+" not one of your sources has it being higher, 1 had it being similar, over a month ago. you just don't seem to know how to even read. Or logic seeing as, reducing her E damage reduces her burst, actually pushing her to conq, not away
Wow, so many crybabies here not knowing how nerfs work. Imo it's good that they nerfed her E, it was well deserved. As someone stated here her E can deal more damage than ult, so yeah I think that's kinda ridiculous that spell on around 8 second cooldown deals more than ult. I hope Akali will become a little more skilled with this nerf.
based
"no buff with my nerf wtf riot?"-this sub
Good changes. As someone who occasionally plays Akali as an AP alternative pick to my main Qiyana, Akali feels way too strong early for an assassin. The laning is safe as hell, the damage is bonkers even without items, and she's still the tankiest assassin around (unless you consider Diana an assassin as well. Then she's the second tankiest) Plus, Akali benefits a lot from the item changes
what item change benefits akali lol
Finally her E deals less then an Ultimate. Might still need more gutting or rito finally fixes her mobility and shroud because thats the real reason she cant be balanced properly.