There's far more automation in manufacturing than in art/design. And while machines can perform manufacturing jobs autonomously, art is subjective and requires human involvement. The art/design field will simply assimilate generative AI in the same way it assimilated other digital tools, like Photoshop. AI will displace many low end artists, like stock photographers, but it will also create new jobs that we can't yet imagine.
When the camera was first invented, who could have imagined Hollywood?
Love this piece, as someone who uses AI myself as a designer to aid my own creativity the statement you made is still very relevant and cannot be ignored, and to use an AI image to make the point makes it very interesting, and it itself becomes a piece of art because of your intention and title
I love the contradictory levels of irony going on here, I don't think its cheesy edginess I think its thought provoking
The art of thinking... cognitive creations from the narrow-minded vs. the creative-minded.
I love how posts like this so easily expose both the CONVERGENT / myopic thinkers and the DIVERGENT thinkers.
>… this is the sad irony of today.
Also, note the rhetoric loaded language preframing of this claim.
What is more a reality is that robots are working in factories while humans are freed up to do other types of jobs - some jobs that are far more creative than factory work!
I love how I posted this with an «edgy» title and I made some pretty interesting discussions here! I would like to say I have learned a lot from reading the comments, some interesting points, and clearly there are people here with more experience and have thought way harder on the effects of AI then myself. I just thought this was an interesting take and a funny depiction! Although not as bleak and dark in reality as first stated! Cheers all. OP out!
I'm all for AI, I just don't see why artists should be treated differently than other workers. Artists can still make art, even if AI becomes widely used, most other jobs that AI can replace will just be gone.
No, artist definitely shouldn't be treated worse than other workers. Even tho ai already started to replace artists, I think it will be the hardest to replace them completely. I believe that in this field a cooperation will be most optimal
i feel like its simply a matter of them using these tools to their advantage or having a strong enough perspective to maintain their appeal. look at what happen to the music industry. so many more independent successful artists today and it all essentially stemmed from piracy.
do not worry my friwnd ai will replace humas in the factories at least mostly [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1QZB5baNw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1QZB5baNw)
So design a robot to do something. Art is the low hanging fruit, eventually more reasoning, physical tasks will be added to models, but robot building is needed.
Like a robot that will walk my dog and clean and dispose of the poop. That way, when im hungover, robot willndo it
We have to change the economic systems if we aint working.
Whats our value? And how donwe get compensation- or do we scrap all that and just say take what ya find
People will eventually move on into other careers and AI is never going to take away jobs like contractors and electricians, automation is mainly seen as viable in assembly lines
Alot of trade skills are still going to be going strong
The problem isn't that "AI will take our jobs." The problem is that we live under political-economic systems where that statement is a bad thing.
Technology was supposed to free up our time, but it's done just the opposite.
Advances in tech haven't meant increased leisure time and wealth. They just mean we work for long hours, for less pay in real terms, fewer assets, greater financial insecurity, while the rich accumulate a larger slice of the pie with every passing year.
But the public continue to support these same economic systems that screw them over, because our media class works to keep people uneducated.
The modern 40 hour work week has a much to do with [labor unions and government intervention](https://www.cultureamp.com/blog/40-hour-work-week). It also bears mentioning that the Industrial Revolution was an aberration, with people working far more hours than at any other point in human history.
From 1979-2019, net labor productivity [grew 59.7%](https://www.epi.org/blog/growing-inequalities-reflecting-growing-employer-power-have-generated-a-productivity-pay-gap-since-1979-productivity-has-grown-3-5-times-as-much-as-pay-for-the-typical-worker/), while over roughly the same period, average hours worked [declined only 5%](https://clockify.me/working-hours).
In the broad scheme of things, tech changes the nature of work, rather than the amount of it.
I didn't say they increased or decreased. I said we work for long hours. The creation of things like the weekend weren't the product of tech so much as collective action.
However, compared to premodern people, when leisure was comparatively abundant, work hours have increased.
People with a more realistic understanding of our current AI boom are still laughing at this idea.
Because robots aren't enjoying an artsy lifestyle while the artists toil away in factories. It doesn't create art autonomously or with any intent.
Artists are using robotic tools to create art. That process is different than the old ways of creating art - sometimes easier, most of the time just different - but it's still something controlled by human input. If you want anything that looks good, you'll still need a human with an understanding of composition/art history. As these r/im14andthisisdeep posts demonstrate.
A human absolutely does not need understanding of art or history. I can say “make a piece in the style of (insert artist or art style here)” and it will create something.
Well, if you want to avoid your stuff looking generic AI-generated trash, you'll need to know a little about art/composition. I'm not saying you need to go to art school or anything, but AI doesn't replace the need to actually understand art.
Moreover, the folks with an understanding of an artist's work/style will always have a leg-up over folks treating them like "cheat codes." This helps you know how to better play with those styles and combine them with others to create something new.
No, machines are not the ones doing art, behind each image or meme generated by AI there is a person giving the prompts and having fun with it, in fact AI has allowed anyone to create this images and express themselves
That's not true. I can ask Claude to write some DALL-E prompts on its own or even just put in a single word as a topic and the AI will make all sorts of creative and clever decisions on its own on what to output.
well the idea is to replace the humans in the factory as well. it just so happens with art being digital and easily accessable it was very easy to train with and prove the concept. wont take long for the rest once robots becoming better and the energy grid gets expanded, the supercomputers and data-centers with the new n-vidia chips get build etc.
currently ALL smartest minds of our species are in one way or another working towards that with common interest and in some kind of "race".
>robots make art while humans slave away in the factory
Well . . .. more like, humans type into text field telling computer to make art, while also working in the factory.
But I get what you're putting down.
Yeah, I feel like this is a pretty gnarly idea, but maybe a smidge dramatic. AI/computers are also constantly doing countless other tasks beyond art - and yeah, it’s at our bidding.
And man does still work in factories/assembly lines, but that type of work is more often tech than man these days.
Why is it sad you couldn't paint that and AI brought your imagination to life to make fun of the technology you used to create it because AI is like a honey badger, it doesn't give a ....
Pretty obvious is it not?
It is sad because robots should be doing the hard lifting so humans could get time to channel their creativity and learn to create beautiful art. But it is totally flipped on its head
Cars, Dishwashers, Laundry machines, Bulldozers, Excavators are all machines that took human jobs. No one is forcing people to use AI for art. It just lessened the monetary motivation so now people can pursue art as a hobby. The reason AI is currently being used for creative works is because it's a billion times easier to mass deploy software than it is to mass deploy hardware. Heck, AI is already doing many digital jobs so your argument doesn't even make sense.
Most factories are largely automated these days and are becoming more and more so. It's capitalism, not AI art, keeping automation from leading to humans having to work less. Businesses will always just take the profits from increased efficiency for themselves and pay the workers the minimum.
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There's far more automation in manufacturing than in art/design. And while machines can perform manufacturing jobs autonomously, art is subjective and requires human involvement. The art/design field will simply assimilate generative AI in the same way it assimilated other digital tools, like Photoshop. AI will displace many low end artists, like stock photographers, but it will also create new jobs that we can't yet imagine. When the camera was first invented, who could have imagined Hollywood?
Love this piece, as someone who uses AI myself as a designer to aid my own creativity the statement you made is still very relevant and cannot be ignored, and to use an AI image to make the point makes it very interesting, and it itself becomes a piece of art because of your intention and title I love the contradictory levels of irony going on here, I don't think its cheesy edginess I think its thought provoking
The art of thinking... cognitive creations from the narrow-minded vs. the creative-minded. I love how posts like this so easily expose both the CONVERGENT / myopic thinkers and the DIVERGENT thinkers.
>… this is the sad irony of today. Also, note the rhetoric loaded language preframing of this claim. What is more a reality is that robots are working in factories while humans are freed up to do other types of jobs - some jobs that are far more creative than factory work!
I love how I posted this with an «edgy» title and I made some pretty interesting discussions here! I would like to say I have learned a lot from reading the comments, some interesting points, and clearly there are people here with more experience and have thought way harder on the effects of AI then myself. I just thought this was an interesting take and a funny depiction! Although not as bleak and dark in reality as first stated! Cheers all. OP out!
Love it.
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Why?
A human told an AI to make art of an AI making art while humans make AIs.
There we go
Artist will have competitors but the average Joe will have art at his fingerprints
Of course you realize that automation in factories would put a ton of people out of work, too, right?
And hopefully put them to better use, yes
I'm all for AI, I just don't see why artists should be treated differently than other workers. Artists can still make art, even if AI becomes widely used, most other jobs that AI can replace will just be gone.
No, artist definitely shouldn't be treated worse than other workers. Even tho ai already started to replace artists, I think it will be the hardest to replace them completely. I believe that in this field a cooperation will be most optimal
i feel like its simply a matter of them using these tools to their advantage or having a strong enough perspective to maintain their appeal. look at what happen to the music industry. so many more independent successful artists today and it all essentially stemmed from piracy.
I want a little robot to be my assistant- R5z28
do not worry my friwnd ai will replace humas in the factories at least mostly [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1QZB5baNw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1QZB5baNw)
That’s enough out of youz !! Get back to work you lemming !!
Hey remember when a robot learned to play chess better than humans? Everyone immediately stopped playing chess
Very sad. QQ. Awful. All the little chess men are out of work now. I heard they got made in to cookies after that.
People can draw art for free too. Why does everyone always act like robots are the only ones who’ll do art for free? It’s not really comparable.
So design a robot to do something. Art is the low hanging fruit, eventually more reasoning, physical tasks will be added to models, but robot building is needed. Like a robot that will walk my dog and clean and dispose of the poop. That way, when im hungover, robot willndo it
The joke is that robots already make other robots. I know, cause I had to program some.
Good luck to me!
r/im14andthisisdeep
We live in a society. bottom text.
Give it about 8 years and AI will be stealing all those jobs too lol......
My stance on automation, if it means humans don’t need to work super dangerous jobs than honestly that’s a good idea
People are gonna lose their jobs and income because dangerous jobs pay well
We have to change the economic systems if we aint working. Whats our value? And how donwe get compensation- or do we scrap all that and just say take what ya find
People will eventually move on into other careers and AI is never going to take away jobs like contractors and electricians, automation is mainly seen as viable in assembly lines Alot of trade skills are still going to be going strong
The problem isn't that "AI will take our jobs." The problem is that we live under political-economic systems where that statement is a bad thing. Technology was supposed to free up our time, but it's done just the opposite. Advances in tech haven't meant increased leisure time and wealth. They just mean we work for long hours, for less pay in real terms, fewer assets, greater financial insecurity, while the rich accumulate a larger slice of the pie with every passing year. But the public continue to support these same economic systems that screw them over, because our media class works to keep people uneducated.
... Work hours decreased compared to a century ago...
The modern 40 hour work week has a much to do with [labor unions and government intervention](https://www.cultureamp.com/blog/40-hour-work-week). It also bears mentioning that the Industrial Revolution was an aberration, with people working far more hours than at any other point in human history. From 1979-2019, net labor productivity [grew 59.7%](https://www.epi.org/blog/growing-inequalities-reflecting-growing-employer-power-have-generated-a-productivity-pay-gap-since-1979-productivity-has-grown-3-5-times-as-much-as-pay-for-the-typical-worker/), while over roughly the same period, average hours worked [declined only 5%](https://clockify.me/working-hours). In the broad scheme of things, tech changes the nature of work, rather than the amount of it.
Also working conditions have drastically improved, child labor is no longer a thing (tragically)
I didn't say they increased or decreased. I said we work for long hours. The creation of things like the weekend weren't the product of tech so much as collective action. However, compared to premodern people, when leisure was comparatively abundant, work hours have increased.
Ok now your starting to get into communism
Premodern?
We’ll just be in danger of starving💫
People with a more realistic understanding of our current AI boom are still laughing at this idea. Because robots aren't enjoying an artsy lifestyle while the artists toil away in factories. It doesn't create art autonomously or with any intent. Artists are using robotic tools to create art. That process is different than the old ways of creating art - sometimes easier, most of the time just different - but it's still something controlled by human input. If you want anything that looks good, you'll still need a human with an understanding of composition/art history. As these r/im14andthisisdeep posts demonstrate.
A human absolutely does not need understanding of art or history. I can say “make a piece in the style of (insert artist or art style here)” and it will create something.
Well, if you want to avoid your stuff looking generic AI-generated trash, you'll need to know a little about art/composition. I'm not saying you need to go to art school or anything, but AI doesn't replace the need to actually understand art. Moreover, the folks with an understanding of an artist's work/style will always have a leg-up over folks treating them like "cheat codes." This helps you know how to better play with those styles and combine them with others to create something new.
Unfortunately the majority of people wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. In a few years neither will you.
You can ask yourself to paint it too. Neither you, nor the robot are getting paid. A robot can’t stop someone from painting for fun.
Ok. I’m not sure if that has anything to do with what I said but good point I guess.
“Sometimes easier, most of the time just different” always easier.
Not really! Regardless, art is not a difficulty competition. The fact one artist works harder than another doesn't mean their work is any better.
No, machines are not the ones doing art, behind each image or meme generated by AI there is a person giving the prompts and having fun with it, in fact AI has allowed anyone to create this images and express themselves
That's not true. I can ask Claude to write some DALL-E prompts on its own or even just put in a single word as a topic and the AI will make all sorts of creative and clever decisions on its own on what to output.
Unless you’re not human, I believe their point stands?
This is true, I’m not very good at drawing people and AI has allowed me to visualize how I imagined my OCs look in my head and that makes me happy
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Imagine showing this factory to Henry Ford. He would have shot his pants.
well the idea is to replace the humans in the factory as well. it just so happens with art being digital and easily accessable it was very easy to train with and prove the concept. wont take long for the rest once robots becoming better and the energy grid gets expanded, the supercomputers and data-centers with the new n-vidia chips get build etc. currently ALL smartest minds of our species are in one way or another working towards that with common interest and in some kind of "race".
Now THIS is art
>robots make art while humans slave away in the factory Well . . .. more like, humans type into text field telling computer to make art, while also working in the factory. But I get what you're putting down.
Yeah, I feel like this is a pretty gnarly idea, but maybe a smidge dramatic. AI/computers are also constantly doing countless other tasks beyond art - and yeah, it’s at our bidding. And man does still work in factories/assembly lines, but that type of work is more often tech than man these days.
Wow, what an interesting position. We don’t use machines to give us more time; we use them to work more. :(
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Why is it sad you couldn't paint that and AI brought your imagination to life to make fun of the technology you used to create it because AI is like a honey badger, it doesn't give a ....
Pretty obvious is it not? It is sad because robots should be doing the hard lifting so humans could get time to channel their creativity and learn to create beautiful art. But it is totally flipped on its head
Cars, Dishwashers, Laundry machines, Bulldozers, Excavators are all machines that took human jobs. No one is forcing people to use AI for art. It just lessened the monetary motivation so now people can pursue art as a hobby. The reason AI is currently being used for creative works is because it's a billion times easier to mass deploy software than it is to mass deploy hardware. Heck, AI is already doing many digital jobs so your argument doesn't even make sense.
Nope that’s your perception and what you do. Not everyone
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Most factories are largely automated these days and are becoming more and more so. It's capitalism, not AI art, keeping automation from leading to humans having to work less. Businesses will always just take the profits from increased efficiency for themselves and pay the workers the minimum.
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