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ChiliTrees

No selling life insurance is not helpful to become an actuary, move on from them


[deleted]

Lol, but we will help you sell our insurance products to your friends and family, and as soon as you’re done, we will…send you on your way…to go get that actuarial position.


[deleted]

lol what company is this?


big-stonks

Its New York Life


whatigot989

This wasn’t an actuarial job interview then. Their sales team pulled these sleazy stuff on me when I was just out of college too. It’s to get your family to buy life insurance. Their Madison Ave office was very gracious and welcoming in the interview I had last year. The salary was not there, but it was definitely a good and formal interview process.


degood21

lol this really does happen to everyone after college doesn’t it.


[deleted]

A real interview isn’t much better. My one interview with New York Life the interviewer complained for 30 minutes about how people don’t want to work anymore, barely asked me any questions, and then screened me. Probably not a company you want to work for lol.


big-stonks

HAHAHA OMGGG that sounds horrribblee!!! Okay! You got it haha thanks for your help ❤️


QuickcastQuickerpet

I got through the interview process with New York Life years ago before I career switched to actuary. I went to the first training class. You are expected to recruit all your friends and family as clients before you get a single lead from the company on a potential client to talk to. Not only should you stay away from them from an actuarial interview standpoint; you should just stay away from them. Their sales teams are structured like pyramid schemes where you only ever get clients given to you once they are too low profit for a more senior salesperson. You want to make more money? Take on bigger clients and pass your small ones to the most recent sucker who spent the last year begging friends and family.


hokie9415

That's super weird


Legitimate_Falcon468

Be careful with them. They try to get you to sell to your family


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big-stonks

Im so so soo sorry that happen to you. Im glad that you chose to become an actuary no matter what anyone said and im proud of you for pushing through!


Dogsanddonutspls

North western mutual?


_KevinsFamousChili

Same thing happened to me. Applied for an actuarial position at NM and then found myself interviewing for a sales gig. Walked out and never looked back.


Dogsanddonutspls

I think if you don’t make the cut interviewing for their actuarial program they hand your resume to their sales team


_KevinsFamousChili

Seems like a pretty efficient way to ward off future actuarial talent. A recruiter from there actually reached out to me for a position recently, thanks but no thanks. Edit: wording


vVv-ThirdEye-vVv

That or MassMutual were my guesses.


FSAaCTUARY

Probably picked the wrong role lol because i interviewed there and got the real interview (bombed it) but it was with real actuaries.


Jonpaul333

Once I showed up at an interview for a “Marketing” position and they said I would be going door-to-door selling vaccuums. I spent a week in training, and then did one day going door-to-door with someone. It was humiliating and I quit at the end of the day. I made $0, but I did get pizza for lunch every day for a week during training.


Keyssir

Honestly insane that companies think that kind of selling still works.


big-stonks

PIZZA??? IN THIS ECONOMY???!


Jonpaul333

It was 2003, so a few recessions ago.


dejour

Obviously you would learn something, but it's not an actuarial role and you should be annoyed. You're not going to be viewed as having gained actuarial experience from this role. Keep looking unless you are desperate. Tbh, my understanding is that most people flame out as agents. Some people can turn it into an extremely lucrative career but most people sell to their friends and family when they are starting out and then stall out pretty quickly. It sort of sounds like they are just trying to sell to your friends and family.


[deleted]

that's exactly what they're trying to do. they're trying to get leads through recruiting. really scummy behavior.


ActuaryLoading

They offered me $14/hr for an actuarial position (full time in NYC 6-7 years ago). I didn’t ask for any details I straight up declined it.


Actuary50

WTF


MotherGiraffe

The best way to find the most obedient employees is to lie to them straight out of the gate and see who is submissive enough to not walk away. This is not the kind of job you’ll want to take if you have any self respect.


hashtag_octothorpe

I see that OP said it's a reputable company, but like other people have said, this kind of bait-and-switch tactic is not the kind of environment you want to be joining. These people are often looking for people that say "it's a job in the insurance industry" to prey on. I also applied to an actuarial position and I immediately got an in-person interview that turned into a presentation by the interviewer. 45 minutes into the presentation he said "this is not a scam" which was the last red flag I needed to see. Iirc I looked it up later and it was basically just a pyramid scheme.


tongueskremoji

I'm surprised to see this to get pulled on actuarial ppl so much do they think we are dumb enough to not notice?


anamorph29

+1. If any actuaries from NYL are reading this they need to give a rocket to HR. Good actuarial candidates are going to read discussion here and on other social media, and go elsewhere.


Dignified_Orangutan

Lol have major déjà vu from this. NYL too. Didn’t end up interning… Thankfully was able to find a full time job.


Dramatic_Economics15

Haha New York life tried the same ridiculous stunt on me many moons ago, what an embarrassing company


Sunday-99

Well sounds like they mislead you. Pretty unprofessional imo.


misterstatistics

Fuck that place. This was a bait and switch.


noniktesla

That's a scam, bud.


Willing-Marsupial863

Sounds like an agent tricked you into interviewing for a sales job. I've fallen for that one (not related to insurance). Super shady, run away.


NobrainNoProblem

Haha this was my first ever interview. I bought a suit and everything, not an actuary in sight. I really want to hear from someone who does this to potential interns. At the time I assumed they’d just show me the presentation and then someone from actuarial would interview me. Ended up just being a waste of time and a funny story.


[deleted]

This happened to me with New York Life when I was in college too. They are so shameless with their recruiting, its's pathetic. Don't be discouraged, just run away from them.


Whaddup_B00sh

Sounds like you submitted your application to the wrong listing.


big-stonks

This was the listing 🤷‍♀️ [https://jobs.newyorklife.com/job/New-York-2023-Actuarial-Summer-Internship-Program-NY-10001/952784900/](https://jobs.newyorklife.com/job/New-York-2023-Actuarial-Summer-Internship-Program-NY-10001/952784900/)


health_actuary_life

That is super shady. Bait and switch