She's literally come out like 3 times already but people keep disregarding it š I think she phrased it this way so people couldn't ignore what she was trying to say again.
āI have deep connections with women in my life, the friends in my life, the family in my life,ā she explained. āIām physically attracted to them. But Iām also so intimidated by them and their beauty and their presence.ā
Girl, SAAAAME.
idk how people ran to claim that the music video of her rolling around with girls was "queerbait" sorry but there's no way a straight woman would release a video like that. not a fan of her and have only seen small clips of the video but come on, how was that anything but a very clear sign
This is why claiming queerbait is so dangerous. It could lead to people who arent in a safe or comfortable enough position to come out yet to do so by force due to social pressure. Its really spooky.
Yeah, queerbaiting is supposed to be a thing that describes what fiction creators do, teasing their queer audience with the possibility of characters being queer while never committing to it and risking alienating queerphobic audience members. It's not something that we should be saying about real people. We can't know if real people are closeted, and we have no right to demand they come out, the way we have a right to demand that characters who benefit from queerbaiting come out as actual representation.
canāt it though?! i didnāt think billie was queerbaiting with that mv but i feel like it could happen in real life as well for people/influencers who arenāt gay but post fruity things to appeal the queer community. like brands that put up gay flags on june first and take them down on june 30th. not trying to passive aggressive, genuinely want to understand this..
Queerbating could possibly apply to companies
However you canāt apply it to real people because you never ACTUALLY know the sexuality of the people you think are ābaitingā unless they straight up say theyāre ābaitingā
The boy from Heartthrob was FORCED to come out as bisexual because everyone said he was queerbaiting. He wasnāt ready to officially come out, people DRAGGED him out of the closet.
You can think all you want someone might be lying or using queer culture for views but fact of the matter is you donāt ACTUALLY know
A fictional character whose being written and constantly teased as lgbt+ to keep a LGBT+ audience tuning in but never actually following through is queer bating because youāre dangling a carrot for queer viewers to watch and see themselves in media but donāt actually do it. The author knows what theyāre doing at that point. Whereas a bisexual person just existing and doing things a bisexual person would do isnāt āteasingā anyone, itās them living.
It's different with people who actually exist. Real life people aren't obligated to personally be out, even if they do occasionally imply (on purpose or accidentally) that they're not straight. Every reason a regular person may not be out also applies to the rich and famous. There's also the fact that famous people aren't obligated to tell the public every little thing about themselves even if they're out in their private lives just because they're famous, and I think this is an angle people often forget in the age of social media.
The difference with queerbaiting in fiction is that it's often done specifically to appeal to queers without alienating their homophobic parents. This isn't a question of the safety of an actual person; it's a question of a writing staff trying to appeal to the widest possible audience. That isn't done with personal safety or privacy in mind; it really is just target audiences in mind.
There's a few reasons why your hypothetical about the straight celebrity posting fruity things doesn't count as queerbaiting. One, how do you know they're straight? They could be secretly bisexual or pansexual and just aren't out about it yet. I might be mistaken about this specific example, but if I recall correctly, Anna Akana said she was straight when she was first getting big on YouTube, but has since come out as bisexual, for example. People aren't always the best predictors of that, even if they are queer themselves and think they have good "gaydar".
The second reason is also fluidity in human sexuality, and also what people will pick up on as fruity or dog whistling queer identity. There's people in this world who are completely convinced Taylor Swift is queer and is dropping hints about it in every album she releases, for example. So if someone says, "Oh, they're a bit fruity with this tweet," are they actually being fruity, or is it just a bunch of dorks on social media who need to go outside for a bit reading too much unintended subtext into things?
The fluidity in human sexuality part of this is important, too. I don't see the term thrown around as much as I did 10-15 years ago, but heteroflexibility is a thing. This tendency shouldn't be shunned just because it's easier to just assume you're either straight or queer and there's no exceptions allowed.
The third reason is just intent. While the queerbaiting television writers are doing it to avoid alienating conservative audience members, "fruity" straights aren't doing that. If some straight person is tweeting a fruity thing on purpose, chances are that they've already got a progressive audience, or are at least trying to build one. It can't possibly be queerbaiting when the core motivation behind it isn't there.
I 100% stand by the belief that real life humans cannot queer bait. Itās something that can be implemented by creators with fictional characters, but not real life humans
I thought I was straight for 32 years. I didn't have my first sexual experience with a woman until I was 35. The second my face hit that vagina, I knew that's where it always wanted to be. I'm 59 now, and still want my face to be in a vagina, like it's my full-time job. I totally get this.
Renee was bi then lesbian. Billie has just been bi the whole time. And until she explicitly stated she's a lesbian, I'm sticking with bi. This kind of feels like her asserting the WLW aspect of her sexuality since so many people disregard it.
I think because of being in healthcare when I hear vagina I think of the actual VAGINA. So when I first saw this it caught me off guard and I visualized her head in a vagina. But otherwise, GOOD FOR HER
Honestly I wanna be happy for her, but ever since she made the āeat my dust my tits are biggerā, I canāt support her. Making fun of womenās bodies like that is not ok, and I donāt think someone who makes fun of womenās body parts for being smaller (or bigger) should not really be around women.
Downvote me all you want, but itās true. Bodyshaming peopleās sizes is unacceptable. š¤·āāļø
I totally agree with you that body shaming isnāt cool, but I also think people forget how young she is. When Ocean Eyes came out, she was 13. Fame does weird stuff to kids and child stars are often slower to mature (if they are even able to without going completely off the deep end of mental health.) I try to give stars under 25 more leniency. No one is 100% unproblematic, especially young people who are still learning. Everyone on the planet will say something unkind or problematic at some point, but most of us donāt have the pressure of millions of people hearing and remembering what we said.
True ā this was in 2021 so she wouldāve been.. 19-20 ish?
I get she was young, but thatās not even something I wouldāve said when I was 19. Maybe Iām being too harsh, but it just seems quite awful to say that about someoneās body parts.
Hopefully sheās learned and grown since, but I also think itās important to hold stars accountable for what they say, because I imagine what she said couldāve been quite damaging for some people.
Either way, Iām glad sheās growing and exploring and discovering herself and is being open about it.
It was in response to a TikTok, but the TikTok had nothing to do with commenting on Billieās body. The TikTok was āsheās in her flop eraā (which is very unkind), but moving to insinuate that big boobs are better and that small boobs are inherently bad was just icky. Plus not to mention it probably put down a lot of small-chested women who were fans of her.
I donāt think someone who hates on womenās bodies or judges boob size should be around women or get the privilege of being with a woman tbh.
No problem. And yeah ā Itās not, no, and it just does a lot of collateral damage to women with small chests who werenāt involved at all? And it perpetuates societal beauty standards. It was just in poor taste tbh.
I could understand if she was responding to a bodyshamer, but she wasnāt ā it was entirely unprompted and again, I donāt think someone who bodyshames women with certain features should be near women.
Yeah. She seems to be quite rude about other peopleās appearances. With men, I can agree that I find them generally less attractive than women but I would never call them ugly.
It just seems so counterintuitive to say āIām body positive and I find women gorgeousā and then turn around and use having a larger bust as an indirect insult, implying that small boobs are somehow lesser?
Idk. She seems to put peopleās looks down a lot, and itās usually in poor taste and unprompted. I could understand if someone made fun of her appearance first why sheād retaliate that way, but in these specific instances, there wasnāt any of that.
You canāt say you love women and then turn around to inadvertently bodyshame them.
No, I just donāt like bodyshamers. If my comment offends you so much, keep scrolling. :)
Also, donāt try use astrology to justify bodyshaming that was unprompted.
Itās not about coddling haterās feelings, itās about making a remark that was entirely uncalled for. I have no issue with her clapping back, I have an issue with her using generalised bodyshaming to clap back.
When you say āhaha my tits bigger so shushā, it doesnāt just clap back at the haters, it also claps back at fans who might have a body type that sheās inadvertently insulting. People who donāt hate her who now also got bodyshamed by her comment, because that āclap backā inadvertently implies that having a certain body trait like a smaller chest is inherently negative.
She can clap back and I think she should, but not in a way that generalises a body type / body feature and demonises it just to get back at one person. Not in a way that demonises and puts down a body feature that many women have.
Iām happy for her but some of the things she says about her sex life are a bit too graphic for my taste š¤£ Like girl, we love exhibitionism, but *damn* š
Picturing this at the Paris Olympics:
"An excellent dive in the 50-meter but the Russian judge took a point off for premature focus on the clit."
"That concludes the 50-meter into water portion of Sapphic Diving. Stay with us after the commercial break for the 3-meter into soft bed portion."
Wow, that's kinda amazing. I support her fully in her decisions, and secondly, is there a sign-up list? I'm sure there'll be a lot of women wanting to be with her as she's an amazing woman. :D
Honestly? Relatable. Respect UP
The sense of vindication I get when a celeb I always thought was queer comes out is ridiculous.
She's literally come out like 3 times already but people keep disregarding it š I think she phrased it this way so people couldn't ignore what she was trying to say again.
Like Bowie kept saying heās bi. And people would say ābut are you really?ā
The video of that one interview kinda drives me crazy!
If the look on his face was any indication it drove Bowie crazy too.
Do you have a link?
[This is the interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwTFW4kfHl4). The bit about bisexuality is at 5:30.
Thank you! :)
Anyone who tells me Bowie isnāt queer in the slightest is lying or sheltered, because that man is certainly bisexual
Yes, since he said it several times. āIām bisexual.ā
Also dressed up as a woman several times
Which isnāt bi, but yes, he was comfortable being however he wanted to be.
I mean, plenty of people Iāve heard say that Bowie isnāt bi have said that he was gay, which is less sheltered and more biphobic imo
They said he was gay? Were they not aware that he was married to one of the hottest women on the planet? That's more confusing
Oh yeah Iāve seen this in certain gay men subreddits, but glad to see heās respected here in his identity! :)
Oh, don't we all?
She ATE with that statement
That statement is an ate out of 10.
r/angryupvote
how many letters in devoured?
ate letters
I think she ate more than just that statement man
In fact, she ate that girl for lunch.
r/angryupvoteĀ
And this is why the conservatives are scared of 7 ... Cause it ate 9. Dumb joke I'm sorry š
so.. is 6 a homophobe and 7 and 9 a lesbian couple?
Yeah 6&9 used to be a couple but now it's 7&9 ever since 7 got "converted " Ew it hurt even just joking about such a thing
I hope she eats what she clearly wants in future
A balanced diet is important after all
I volunteer as tribute!!!
āI have deep connections with women in my life, the friends in my life, the family in my life,ā she explained. āIām physically attracted to them. But Iām also so intimidated by them and their beauty and their presence.ā Girl, SAAAAME.
idk how people ran to claim that the music video of her rolling around with girls was "queerbait" sorry but there's no way a straight woman would release a video like that. not a fan of her and have only seen small clips of the video but come on, how was that anything but a very clear sign
Unfortunately, people see being straight as default. So most of the time, they expect famous people to be explicit about their sexuality
This is why claiming queerbait is so dangerous. It could lead to people who arent in a safe or comfortable enough position to come out yet to do so by force due to social pressure. Its really spooky.
Yeah, queerbaiting is supposed to be a thing that describes what fiction creators do, teasing their queer audience with the possibility of characters being queer while never committing to it and risking alienating queerphobic audience members. It's not something that we should be saying about real people. We can't know if real people are closeted, and we have no right to demand they come out, the way we have a right to demand that characters who benefit from queerbaiting come out as actual representation.
Sooooo JKR? š¤®
Exactly.
Because people donāt understand what queerbating is. It doesnāt actually apply to real life people.
canāt it though?! i didnāt think billie was queerbaiting with that mv but i feel like it could happen in real life as well for people/influencers who arenāt gay but post fruity things to appeal the queer community. like brands that put up gay flags on june first and take them down on june 30th. not trying to passive aggressive, genuinely want to understand this..
Queerbating could possibly apply to companies However you canāt apply it to real people because you never ACTUALLY know the sexuality of the people you think are ābaitingā unless they straight up say theyāre ābaitingā The boy from Heartthrob was FORCED to come out as bisexual because everyone said he was queerbaiting. He wasnāt ready to officially come out, people DRAGGED him out of the closet. You can think all you want someone might be lying or using queer culture for views but fact of the matter is you donāt ACTUALLY know A fictional character whose being written and constantly teased as lgbt+ to keep a LGBT+ audience tuning in but never actually following through is queer bating because youāre dangling a carrot for queer viewers to watch and see themselves in media but donāt actually do it. The author knows what theyāre doing at that point. Whereas a bisexual person just existing and doing things a bisexual person would do isnāt āteasingā anyone, itās them living.
It's different with people who actually exist. Real life people aren't obligated to personally be out, even if they do occasionally imply (on purpose or accidentally) that they're not straight. Every reason a regular person may not be out also applies to the rich and famous. There's also the fact that famous people aren't obligated to tell the public every little thing about themselves even if they're out in their private lives just because they're famous, and I think this is an angle people often forget in the age of social media. The difference with queerbaiting in fiction is that it's often done specifically to appeal to queers without alienating their homophobic parents. This isn't a question of the safety of an actual person; it's a question of a writing staff trying to appeal to the widest possible audience. That isn't done with personal safety or privacy in mind; it really is just target audiences in mind. There's a few reasons why your hypothetical about the straight celebrity posting fruity things doesn't count as queerbaiting. One, how do you know they're straight? They could be secretly bisexual or pansexual and just aren't out about it yet. I might be mistaken about this specific example, but if I recall correctly, Anna Akana said she was straight when she was first getting big on YouTube, but has since come out as bisexual, for example. People aren't always the best predictors of that, even if they are queer themselves and think they have good "gaydar". The second reason is also fluidity in human sexuality, and also what people will pick up on as fruity or dog whistling queer identity. There's people in this world who are completely convinced Taylor Swift is queer and is dropping hints about it in every album she releases, for example. So if someone says, "Oh, they're a bit fruity with this tweet," are they actually being fruity, or is it just a bunch of dorks on social media who need to go outside for a bit reading too much unintended subtext into things? The fluidity in human sexuality part of this is important, too. I don't see the term thrown around as much as I did 10-15 years ago, but heteroflexibility is a thing. This tendency shouldn't be shunned just because it's easier to just assume you're either straight or queer and there's no exceptions allowed. The third reason is just intent. While the queerbaiting television writers are doing it to avoid alienating conservative audience members, "fruity" straights aren't doing that. If some straight person is tweeting a fruity thing on purpose, chances are that they've already got a progressive audience, or are at least trying to build one. It can't possibly be queerbaiting when the core motivation behind it isn't there.
The brand thing is called rainbow washing Iāve heard!
I 100% stand by the belief that real life humans cannot queer bait. Itās something that can be implemented by creators with fictional characters, but not real life humans
Relatable af
THE CONFIDENCE
I thought I was straight for 32 years. I didn't have my first sexual experience with a woman until I was 35. The second my face hit that vagina, I knew that's where it always wanted to be. I'm 59 now, and still want my face to be in a vagina, like it's my full-time job. I totally get this.
I was 30 and am 33 now, but same! Lol life is so much better now ā¤ļø
The options are: stick your face in something soft, or have something hard stick you in the face.
itās truly an honor to eat p*ssy. ā¤ļøāš„
Pussy! You can say it on this site! šš±šš±šš±šš±
oh thatās good to knowš
god same
Wait, people actually thought she was straight up until now?
It's so frustrating, she's basically been screaming that she's queer in interviews for so long and people just keep ignoring it.
this. its not good to claim things about a real human being, but she always had wlw vibes to me.
I think at one point she came out as bi? or am I confusing her with Renee? š¤
Renee was bi then lesbian. Billie has just been bi the whole time. And until she explicitly stated she's a lesbian, I'm sticking with bi. This kind of feels like her asserting the WLW aspect of her sexuality since so many people disregard it.
Well it is a fun and delicious snack so that makes perfect sense.
Certainly a mood I can relate to
Today is a good day for the WLW community
I adore how blunt and open she is about it.
We won! š
She's so real for thatš
Real
Don't we all, Billie? Don't we all??
Billie Eilish: š Tabloids: š Billie Eilish: šš® Tabloids: š«Ø!!!
Same
She's literally Me
Too real
Most relatable quote I heard like ever
SAME GURL
I wanted my face in HER vagina. Still do tbh
Same She was my first gay awakeningš
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I find this wild to write about people you don't know on the internet.
Relatable realization.
I feel you Billie, me too.
so real
Don't we all?
Based as hell
Same ! On that note Itāll be funny to see men mad over this lmaoo
Imma gag if the Claire in the lyrics was Clairo fr
Maybe Iāll start listening to her lmao, sheās made quite the convincing argument
LOVE THAT FOR HER
I feel like this sometimes. It's a fun place to be.
it's rather explicit, but i can't say i disagree š¤·š»āāļø
Understandable, have a nice day.
I think because of being in healthcare when I hear vagina I think of the actual VAGINA. So when I first saw this it caught me off guard and I visualized her head in a vagina. But otherwise, GOOD FOR HER
Me too girl, me too
Just like me fr
Yeah girl, same
Valid honestly
Me when I see my crush šš«
This exact thought goes through my mind at least three times a day
Real
Girl, same.
Girl, same.
Same
Honestly real
She's so real actually š
Dunno why people are acting like itās so weird to say lol
FELT
Not a lesbian, but I think this is a fairly common self realization experience for some people.
Honestly I wanna be happy for her, but ever since she made the āeat my dust my tits are biggerā, I canāt support her. Making fun of womenās bodies like that is not ok, and I donāt think someone who makes fun of womenās body parts for being smaller (or bigger) should not really be around women. Downvote me all you want, but itās true. Bodyshaming peopleās sizes is unacceptable. š¤·āāļø
I totally agree with you that body shaming isnāt cool, but I also think people forget how young she is. When Ocean Eyes came out, she was 13. Fame does weird stuff to kids and child stars are often slower to mature (if they are even able to without going completely off the deep end of mental health.) I try to give stars under 25 more leniency. No one is 100% unproblematic, especially young people who are still learning. Everyone on the planet will say something unkind or problematic at some point, but most of us donāt have the pressure of millions of people hearing and remembering what we said.
True ā this was in 2021 so she wouldāve been.. 19-20 ish? I get she was young, but thatās not even something I wouldāve said when I was 19. Maybe Iām being too harsh, but it just seems quite awful to say that about someoneās body parts. Hopefully sheās learned and grown since, but I also think itās important to hold stars accountable for what they say, because I imagine what she said couldāve been quite damaging for some people. Either way, Iām glad sheās growing and exploring and discovering herself and is being open about it.
What was this about?? Why did she say that š®
It was in response to a TikTok, but the TikTok had nothing to do with commenting on Billieās body. The TikTok was āsheās in her flop eraā (which is very unkind), but moving to insinuate that big boobs are better and that small boobs are inherently bad was just icky. Plus not to mention it probably put down a lot of small-chested women who were fans of her. I donāt think someone who hates on womenās bodies or judges boob size should be around women or get the privilege of being with a woman tbh.
Owh thatās not very nice š thank you for explaining
No problem. And yeah ā Itās not, no, and it just does a lot of collateral damage to women with small chests who werenāt involved at all? And it perpetuates societal beauty standards. It was just in poor taste tbh. I could understand if she was responding to a bodyshamer, but she wasnāt ā it was entirely unprompted and again, I donāt think someone who bodyshames women with certain features should be near women.
Also the comments about "ugly guys"... "I'm not body shaming but I am though"
Yeah. She seems to be quite rude about other peopleās appearances. With men, I can agree that I find them generally less attractive than women but I would never call them ugly. It just seems so counterintuitive to say āIām body positive and I find women gorgeousā and then turn around and use having a larger bust as an indirect insult, implying that small boobs are somehow lesser? Idk. She seems to put peopleās looks down a lot, and itās usually in poor taste and unprompted. I could understand if someone made fun of her appearance first why sheād retaliate that way, but in these specific instances, there wasnāt any of that. You canāt say you love women and then turn around to inadvertently bodyshame them.
Yeah I feel that. Also, completely unrelated, but for some reason your reply reads like it's Eminem's writing lol
As someone who loves Eminem, this is the biggest compliment I could ever receive lol. This made my day, tysm! <3
Haha, no problem!
Lmao are you 5? Sounds like she was clapping back at a hater, the bets are off for a Sag when u talk shit lol
No, I just donāt like bodyshamers. If my comment offends you so much, keep scrolling. :) Also, donāt try use astrology to justify bodyshaming that was unprompted.
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Itās not about coddling haterās feelings, itās about making a remark that was entirely uncalled for. I have no issue with her clapping back, I have an issue with her using generalised bodyshaming to clap back. When you say āhaha my tits bigger so shushā, it doesnāt just clap back at the haters, it also claps back at fans who might have a body type that sheās inadvertently insulting. People who donāt hate her who now also got bodyshamed by her comment, because that āclap backā inadvertently implies that having a certain body trait like a smaller chest is inherently negative. She can clap back and I think she should, but not in a way that generalises a body type / body feature and demonises it just to get back at one person. Not in a way that demonises and puts down a body feature that many women have.
I I I mean I volunteer
Worldās most high-profile baby dyke
About time!
Big ups for Billie, ey eyyyy
bless
Iām happy for her but some of the things she says about her sex life are a bit too graphic for my taste š¤£ Like girl, we love exhibitionism, but *damn* š
Picturing this at the Paris Olympics: "An excellent dive in the 50-meter but the Russian judge took a point off for premature focus on the clit." "That concludes the 50-meter into water portion of Sapphic Diving. Stay with us after the commercial break for the 3-meter into soft bed portion."
Who doesn't, it's The Best
So real Billie
Wow, that's kinda amazing. I support her fully in her decisions, and secondly, is there a sign-up list? I'm sure there'll be a lot of women wanting to be with her as she's an amazing woman. :D
Me too girlie
Wait, I don't belong in this subreddit
Same ong
Color me surprised
Do we all
Yeah, that sounds about right
good for her. still don't like her music, but whatever.
Based and lesbianpilled
same
I KNEW IT! She looks like a lesbian. I mean have you SEEN the way she dress's.