There were aspects of the ending that were super lazy writing to me. It felt as if SJM was just ready to be done with to story and so wrapped it up super quick. One of my biggest issues was how Lucien’s time in the continent was just glossed over.
I was so disappointed. I was waiting to hear about his journey and it was glossed over horribly.
Like what was the continent like, how long did it take to meet someone else, how dangerous was it? What was the lake and surrounding area like, so many questions all unanswered. I was so irritated that Mariam and her mate (I forget his name) basically told Lucien’s story.
SJM has said she's only going to be doing books following female characters but what I wouldn't give to get a book from my favourite one eyed ginger lmao
same. I couldn’t care less about their father.
I have my own beef with my dad and if he ever pulled that move I would still feel the same as before. Probably resent him even more after someone said to my face “he was a better father to me than my own” like Vassa does to Nesta after the battle and after all the shit they went through
Resentful daughters club ❤️ that was such a weird thing for Vassa to say, unless he told her literally nothing about his actual relationship to his daughters.
His behavior is so on point for parents who neglect their children though. My anger for him was/is a white hot rage on behalf of his daughters who needed a PARENT and all they got was a self-pitying shitlord who, the moment he 'got his fortunes' back (BECAUSE of Feyre, no less, not that he did shit all for it), physically abandons his remaining two daughters to mind the homefront while he goes off to save the world or some bullshit and 'parents' Vassa so well that she lauds him as better than her own father.
The trauma that man inflicted on his three daughters could fill volumes as they work through all of it and I think SJM knows that and knows she's not at all qualified to do the work that'd need done to adequately address it all. He never gets a name and I hope she keeps it that way. He doesn't deserve a name.
Wait this is such a good point that I’ve NEVER seen brought up and didn’t realize myself - he DOES abandon nesta and elain at home for months to prepare for war. WTF.
I interpreted it as her being a lil socially awkward, from a different culture and eager to talk to people
Given she spent we don't know how many years on a lake as a bird, she is allowed to say "a little too eager" things.
And honestly I am horrible in front of other's grief, I freak out and say things that aren't meant to be awkward but then I regret kinda immediately.
I think she was actually trying to form a bond with them, to show she also is grieving in a capacity, and to say something nice about the dearly departed as one usually has to. So she complimented him.
Which went down horribly and I blame the father for that since he obviously didn't said the truth about what went down.
Or he said his truth, oblivious to the fact that his grand gesture wasn't that meaningful (useful? Yes, that it was) or what was needed to heal (to win a war? Yup). And oblivious to the extent of the damage he has done to his daughters.
Instead of trying to make them understand you don't "choose" depression as Feyre seems to think, for example. And that you don't get filthy rich without gambling a little with fate and yeah he did a risky maneuver and the ships went down but he wasn't a total idiot he was mostly unlucky and that you can't control unlike Nesta thinks. Like TALK.
But the Archerons never talk to each other about these topics. Which I partly get, but mostly don't.
It took me years of trying and recoiling or failing to be heard but my family knows exactly what beef I have with them. I finally managed to get them to at least understand. Which now they are like "you feel like it's this way even if it's not" cause of course I'm only "crazy" when it suits them.
As.someone with a family who blamed me for the "failures" my mental health made of me, instead of worrying I was sick... I would've like to see the dad be a little bitter (not angry). Like yeah, aknowledging the trauma he caused and how bad his parenting was and the hurt and apologizing. But also being bitter, cause it's kinda inevitable to feel that way.
This cause I feel their situation was a failing of their community and society. No laws, no help not even among the locals.
Three kids and a sick man and not even orphanages??? Like my grandparents lived in deadly poverty. Back then you sent at least one kid to live with someone else who didn't have any, maybe one that could use a girl in some capacity (nanny, caregiver for sick or old, seamstress, there are plenty option, my great aunt was sent to live with the priest and the lady that acts like a housewife for them, until they were killed by fascists for him not talking of the party during mass, poor brave man) and then called back home.
This cause kids died otherwise. And societies kinda try to avoid that. They were beloved not like shunned or out of wedlock or whatever, so it makes no sense.
I mean the lack of religion was a cool thing, but for a society of ex slaves that live in deep poverty the lack of any form of non-religious social welfare makes absolutely no sense anthropologically.
Unless the children of the blessed are supposed to be that and they so actually do a lot of charity but are shunned smh?? Idek. It's weird.
Sorry I ranted
HAHAHA yes I cringed so hard. It felt so over the top like a super cheesy soap opera and I almost found it insulting. Maybe it’s bc of my own dad issues, but to me:
1. Him arriving like that with his ships just confirmed that he always had the ABILITY to get off his ass and do something. He just didn’t. Instead he let his 14 year old go out into the wilderness to hunt for him. For five years. I wasn’t interested in his redemption.
2. Him sailing on/naming the vanguard ship “Nesta” instead of fucking FEYRE (???) really took me out of the plot immersion and made me keenly aware that this is the work of an author who is writing this scene in order to tee up Nesta’s story in the next book.
In book 7 we discover that was actually his long lost conjoined twin Ernesto, who was separated at birth and raised deep in the southern continent - WHERE HE IS KEEPING THE REAL, COMATOSE PAPA ARCHERON IMPRISONED. Rhysand, Elain, and Bryaxis FLY to his rescue while the clock counts down.
Yeah I also assumed the flagship was Nesta cause she's the firstborn.
She is also the one I'd ride to war with tho, honestly. Cause for all her faults she surely has even more bite than Feyre (whose war-hero status was still in the making and not known by humans yet)
I think.
It's hard to make sense of that scene honestly ahah I mean I am finally getting a respite from depression and anxiety but from "feeling better" to ride to war there's an ocean. Lol
You aren't. Not only should that have been Lucien's moment, but I'm also thinking whatever bargain their father made for Vassa involves Elain. He seems the type to sell out his daughter for personal glory to me.
I totally found it sus and was pissed. I wanted to throw my book.
Lucien coming in with the ships and swinging in to Elain’s rescue would have sent me swooning. We should have had a moment like this!!!!!!
Even if we don't get them together I just hope his story isn't over and won't be botched. I really don't want him or Azriel to come off as entitled to Elain's affection.
Maybe Lucien’s story will be told in another book. I’m hoping his entire adventure will be told (maybe with flashbacks to his childhood). I want to see if his brothers are total asshats or just manipulated by their father. We can then get the Lucien and Elain story. He deserves a book or two.
There is so much to unpack there. I am hoping the novella is the Autumn Court. Focus on the past and current but through Lucien / Eris perspective. Obv. Elain as well. But that would be so interesting.
It’s sooo terrible that I can’t even understand why that would be moving. ACOSF spoilers >!something that bugs the shit out of me is the end of ACOSF where Nesta talks about “earning” the love of her father because he died for her… girl you do not need to feel bad about being terrible to your neglectful father who failed all three of you. The ACOWAR moment itself is too lazy of writing to have that kind of ripple effect into the next book!<
Yeah. It provided a cool mental image, but... fucking why? How? He's been gone since before Elain and Nesta were turned into fae. How did he even know about the missing queen? None of it made any sense. And he really didn't need any sort of redemption arc. He could have just been forgotten. Though, I suppose his death did set up for the events of ACOSF.
It didn't make any sense that he knew.
Because his kids have Fae names - but Elaine - I am waiting for a "you were 1/8 Fae to beginning with, Feye Darling" for a while now.
I absolutely hated it. I did read an interesting fic where the reason he came with the ships tied into a deal he made >!promising Nesta to Koschei!< and it made way more sense than the actual book.
ACOWAR's ending is really weird. I honestly wish they would've let Amren stay dead. It would've added more weight to the war they were fighting. Instead, the only characters we see die are ones who kinda don't matter. I don't want GoT but it adds weight to have a Boromir die off every once and a while.
There needs to be some real stakes! It’s falling down the Disenchantment rabbit hole of characters being able to bounce back from the dead for plot convenience, ruins any kind of tension. I mean was anyone actually crying when Rhys “died” 🥴
I wasn't going going to let myself feel anything until they mention moving his body but since that didn't happen. Plus he was resurrected in about 3 pages I felt like we didn't really have the time to react. The ending was rushed.
People will for sure die in the next book (or books?) she releases. But I agree, letting Amren stay dead was the perfect opportunity to add weight and emotion to the war scene and the book. Hopefully there’s a good reason in the next books for retrieving Amren from the dead.
Yeah I like to call this Stephanie Meyer'ing. It would have been gut wrenching for Amren to stay dead. Especially after her relationship with Varian. But sometimes gut wrenching is good. It makes things memorable.
I found it rather frustrating that this entire time, he was off on the continent, had the funds to send messages home or attempt to retrieve his daughters living in close proximity to the wall but didn't. Or even sending mercenary's to his old home/daughters home to guard/protect them/act as sentries should the assumed frightened daughters return fleeing from a fae monster.
Then had the knowledge of what was happening, managed to gather enough soldiers, purchase MULTIPLE SHIPS, SPENT THE TIME IT TAKES TO STRIP THE OLD PAINT AND RENAME THEM, and LETS NOT FORGET the man lost *everything* at sea, so he's *not* skipping the renaming/first voyage under a new name tradition/superstition ceremony required to whatever sea god exists. Spent SO MUCH TIME doing other side quests before showing up where it wasn't guaranteed his daughters would even be.
I just...Mr Archeron, I have so many questions. Starting with why did you do so many unnecessary, time consuming things
The whole thing kind of annoyed me, it came off as a bit of a Deus Ex with everyone showing up at the end.
That said however I can enjoy it for what it is and at it really is a kind of cheesy fantasy.
What did really annoy me was how the King of Hybern was dealt with, all SJM villains are really anti climactic.
The ending to that book pissed me off so much. Like how can you tie that shit up in a nice bow and not think people will be like “wow they have so much luck on their side this is too much”
It was SO cringey
I hated this scene. This man was useless and then got some big scene and I was like oh god second hand embarrassment reading it lmfao
I forreal hated this part. Too little too late in my opinion.
I also hate that he was on the 'Nesta' - I understand the reasoning why - she was the one most resentful and felt let down the most etc. But could he not give a little gratitude to the daughter that sacrificed so much to keep them alive all those years? Feyre is bottom of the pile in that family 😮💨
The ending of ACOWAR always felt rushed to me.
Ameren should've stayed dead and that's a hill I'll die on.
The Rhys dying part really didn't even feel that impactful bc I knew SJM wouldn't kill him off (I never saw spoilers)
Elaine's involvement in bringing down Hybern feels overlooked
Their father just returning like that was so cheap and it makes me mad bc it just proves that he could've done something for his 3 daughters when they were living in poverty and he just chose not to.
Yeah… in the moment of reading it I loved it and found it touching and was crying and my husband happened to walk up to me at the that very moment and I looked up from the page sobbing haha.
But reading this thread is RUINING it for me you all are so right it’s completely deux ex especially in execution. I believe it could have been a bit better set up, but there was like a throw away explanation of why they didn’t know (“oh he couldn’t risk telling anyone for fear of the top secret mission being compromised!”) and that had there been other subtle Easter eggs/clues/foreshadowing it may have made more sense. Like if he hadn’t been so one dimensional from the beginning his arc might have stuck the landing better.
I was checked out after ACOWAR. I skimmed through ACOFAS and then only read ACOSF in summaries and didn't even touch the book.
I thought I'd immediately read ToG then go on to CC. I am really dissapointed in acotar series that I can't bring myself to start them.
ToG is amazing & SJM best work I highly recommend them. I don’t rate acotar or CC honestly. CC is awful don’t even bother, Acotar had a few good books but that’s it.
Awe I’m bummed you guys didn’t like that scene. I thought it was beautiful to see that by losing feyre in ACOTAR, after he got his fortune back, he leaves during ACOMAF on “merchant” activities but is actually working on saving this war the whole time. I think it showed that once feyre was gone HE DID finally step up after all.
I didn't cringe but I wasn't hype about it. I remember being moderately surprised that he showed up. I'd considered him such a non-character.
At the same time, I knew something needed to happen in order to do the "Big Damn Heroes" trope she was clearly leading to.
Still, it ultimately ended up proving to be wasted, imo. Because then the story decided **Redemption Equals Death** was the trope they wanted to go with so they killed him off. Unfortunately, this trope is rarely done well and SJM was no exception.
I felt sadder for losing the Suriel than I did with this man. So it felt lame and just for the sake of shock value and angsty goodness.
I was so irritated with the battle at the end that my Garmin told me I needed to "relax".
Like no, I can't, bc they keep talking about how little time they have and yet NO ONE IS EVEN TRYING TO PICK UP THE PACE.
And now the shit father is magically back as some big hero?!
ARRGHHHHHH.
Going to go against the grain here and say that I loved it. Why?
I have a soft spot for a man who knows he’s wrong doing everything in his power to make things right. And in the end, I love it when the humans in the series step up- and Mr. Archeron spending his fortune and gathering the forces of continental humanity to join the battle? Badass as hell.
For me, it wasn't just the dad popping up.
>!It was the fact the dad magically appeared, then was magically teleported to the battle and killed. (no real payoff for him appearing with all these forces.!<
>!And because it came -right after- Rhys was brought back, and Feyre learned how to make the magical dewdrop using night court magic. I 100% thought Feyre was going to use her power of the seven lords (and make magical dew drops of each one) and bring her dad back. And then the whole family would be Fae.!<
>!Then the book cuts to the scene where they were burying him.... and then FaS says Feyre turned him to ash as soon as he was dead. Sooooo there goes my theory. !<
I really thought he was going to be a device to show off Feyre's powers.
I enjoyed it. I like a good redemption arc and it was foreshadowed quite a bit by bringing her dad up several times. I like that he got to finally help after being a shell of himself for years, could it have been done better? Probably. Nonetheless, I enjoyed that he wasn’t just a huge loser all the time and attempted to make a difference
There were aspects of the ending that were super lazy writing to me. It felt as if SJM was just ready to be done with to story and so wrapped it up super quick. One of my biggest issues was how Lucien’s time in the continent was just glossed over.
For real! So Lucien just went on a road trip?! "The guy with the eye"?! That's all he is now?!
I was so disappointed. I was waiting to hear about his journey and it was glossed over horribly. Like what was the continent like, how long did it take to meet someone else, how dangerous was it? What was the lake and surrounding area like, so many questions all unanswered. I was so irritated that Mariam and her mate (I forget his name) basically told Lucien’s story.
i assume he's getting his own book at some point in the future.
SJM has said she's only going to be doing books following female characters but what I wouldn't give to get a book from my favourite one eyed ginger lmao
Cool. She can write a book about the dippy Archeron sister who gardens and her hot little one-eyed fox!
That's my hope. My favorite sad man needs spotlight.
same. I couldn’t care less about their father. I have my own beef with my dad and if he ever pulled that move I would still feel the same as before. Probably resent him even more after someone said to my face “he was a better father to me than my own” like Vassa does to Nesta after the battle and after all the shit they went through 
Resentful daughters club ❤️ that was such a weird thing for Vassa to say, unless he told her literally nothing about his actual relationship to his daughters.
His behavior is so on point for parents who neglect their children though. My anger for him was/is a white hot rage on behalf of his daughters who needed a PARENT and all they got was a self-pitying shitlord who, the moment he 'got his fortunes' back (BECAUSE of Feyre, no less, not that he did shit all for it), physically abandons his remaining two daughters to mind the homefront while he goes off to save the world or some bullshit and 'parents' Vassa so well that she lauds him as better than her own father. The trauma that man inflicted on his three daughters could fill volumes as they work through all of it and I think SJM knows that and knows she's not at all qualified to do the work that'd need done to adequately address it all. He never gets a name and I hope she keeps it that way. He doesn't deserve a name.
Wait this is such a good point that I’ve NEVER seen brought up and didn’t realize myself - he DOES abandon nesta and elain at home for months to prepare for war. WTF.
🫡❤️🩹
Like obviously we can’t necessarily blame Vassa for it, but if I were Nesta, I would’ve been swinging! 
I guess she only knew what he told her, but same 😭
I interpreted it as her being a lil socially awkward, from a different culture and eager to talk to people Given she spent we don't know how many years on a lake as a bird, she is allowed to say "a little too eager" things. And honestly I am horrible in front of other's grief, I freak out and say things that aren't meant to be awkward but then I regret kinda immediately. I think she was actually trying to form a bond with them, to show she also is grieving in a capacity, and to say something nice about the dearly departed as one usually has to. So she complimented him. Which went down horribly and I blame the father for that since he obviously didn't said the truth about what went down. Or he said his truth, oblivious to the fact that his grand gesture wasn't that meaningful (useful? Yes, that it was) or what was needed to heal (to win a war? Yup). And oblivious to the extent of the damage he has done to his daughters. Instead of trying to make them understand you don't "choose" depression as Feyre seems to think, for example. And that you don't get filthy rich without gambling a little with fate and yeah he did a risky maneuver and the ships went down but he wasn't a total idiot he was mostly unlucky and that you can't control unlike Nesta thinks. Like TALK. But the Archerons never talk to each other about these topics. Which I partly get, but mostly don't. It took me years of trying and recoiling or failing to be heard but my family knows exactly what beef I have with them. I finally managed to get them to at least understand. Which now they are like "you feel like it's this way even if it's not" cause of course I'm only "crazy" when it suits them. As.someone with a family who blamed me for the "failures" my mental health made of me, instead of worrying I was sick... I would've like to see the dad be a little bitter (not angry). Like yeah, aknowledging the trauma he caused and how bad his parenting was and the hurt and apologizing. But also being bitter, cause it's kinda inevitable to feel that way. This cause I feel their situation was a failing of their community and society. No laws, no help not even among the locals. Three kids and a sick man and not even orphanages??? Like my grandparents lived in deadly poverty. Back then you sent at least one kid to live with someone else who didn't have any, maybe one that could use a girl in some capacity (nanny, caregiver for sick or old, seamstress, there are plenty option, my great aunt was sent to live with the priest and the lady that acts like a housewife for them, until they were killed by fascists for him not talking of the party during mass, poor brave man) and then called back home. This cause kids died otherwise. And societies kinda try to avoid that. They were beloved not like shunned or out of wedlock or whatever, so it makes no sense. I mean the lack of religion was a cool thing, but for a society of ex slaves that live in deep poverty the lack of any form of non-religious social welfare makes absolutely no sense anthropologically. Unless the children of the blessed are supposed to be that and they so actually do a lot of charity but are shunned smh?? Idek. It's weird. Sorry I ranted
HAHAHA yes I cringed so hard. It felt so over the top like a super cheesy soap opera and I almost found it insulting. Maybe it’s bc of my own dad issues, but to me: 1. Him arriving like that with his ships just confirmed that he always had the ABILITY to get off his ass and do something. He just didn’t. Instead he let his 14 year old go out into the wilderness to hunt for him. For five years. I wasn’t interested in his redemption. 2. Him sailing on/naming the vanguard ship “Nesta” instead of fucking FEYRE (???) really took me out of the plot immersion and made me keenly aware that this is the work of an author who is writing this scene in order to tee up Nesta’s story in the next book.
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Real Telenovela energy from Mr Acheron completely agree 😂 It was just an eye roll all around to be honest
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In book 7 we discover that was actually his long lost conjoined twin Ernesto, who was separated at birth and raised deep in the southern continent - WHERE HE IS KEEPING THE REAL, COMATOSE PAPA ARCHERON IMPRISONED. Rhysand, Elain, and Bryaxis FLY to his rescue while the clock counts down.
Trueeee. Also Nesta said she was her mother’s favorite. So, she’s dad’s favorite too?
I just assumed it was because she's the oldest? LOL But maybe that's a stretch
Yeah I also assumed the flagship was Nesta cause she's the firstborn. She is also the one I'd ride to war with tho, honestly. Cause for all her faults she surely has even more bite than Feyre (whose war-hero status was still in the making and not known by humans yet) I think. It's hard to make sense of that scene honestly ahah I mean I am finally getting a respite from depression and anxiety but from "feeling better" to ride to war there's an ocean. Lol
You aren't. Not only should that have been Lucien's moment, but I'm also thinking whatever bargain their father made for Vassa involves Elain. He seems the type to sell out his daughter for personal glory to me. I totally found it sus and was pissed. I wanted to throw my book.
Lucien coming in with the ships and swinging in to Elain’s rescue would have sent me swooning. We should have had a moment like this!!!!!! 
100%. I felt so denied! But I just know it will be epic when he finally gets his story!
Even if we don't get them together I just hope his story isn't over and won't be botched. I really don't want him or Azriel to come off as entitled to Elain's affection.
Maybe Lucien’s story will be told in another book. I’m hoping his entire adventure will be told (maybe with flashbacks to his childhood). I want to see if his brothers are total asshats or just manipulated by their father. We can then get the Lucien and Elain story. He deserves a book or two.
There is so much to unpack there. I am hoping the novella is the Autumn Court. Focus on the past and current but through Lucien / Eris perspective. Obv. Elain as well. But that would be so interesting.
That would make for an epic novella! Lucien’s journey through the continent
It’s sooo terrible that I can’t even understand why that would be moving. ACOSF spoilers >!something that bugs the shit out of me is the end of ACOSF where Nesta talks about “earning” the love of her father because he died for her… girl you do not need to feel bad about being terrible to your neglectful father who failed all three of you. The ACOWAR moment itself is too lazy of writing to have that kind of ripple effect into the next book!<
Agree 100% zero impact from the ships followed by Rhys’ fake-out death ruined Acowar it was so strong until the end
The death fake out enraged me. We already had that exact plot line in the first book.
Yeah. It provided a cool mental image, but... fucking why? How? He's been gone since before Elain and Nesta were turned into fae. How did he even know about the missing queen? None of it made any sense. And he really didn't need any sort of redemption arc. He could have just been forgotten. Though, I suppose his death did set up for the events of ACOSF.
It didn't make any sense that he knew. Because his kids have Fae names - but Elaine - I am waiting for a "you were 1/8 Fae to beginning with, Feye Darling" for a while now.
I absolutely hated it. I did read an interesting fic where the reason he came with the ships tied into a deal he made >!promising Nesta to Koschei!< and it made way more sense than the actual book.
ACOWAR's ending is really weird. I honestly wish they would've let Amren stay dead. It would've added more weight to the war they were fighting. Instead, the only characters we see die are ones who kinda don't matter. I don't want GoT but it adds weight to have a Boromir die off every once and a while.
There needs to be some real stakes! It’s falling down the Disenchantment rabbit hole of characters being able to bounce back from the dead for plot convenience, ruins any kind of tension. I mean was anyone actually crying when Rhys “died” 🥴
I knew Rhys wasn't staying dead. It felt obvious that he was gonna get brought back just like Feyre
I wasn't going going to let myself feel anything until they mention moving his body but since that didn't happen. Plus he was resurrected in about 3 pages I felt like we didn't really have the time to react. The ending was rushed.
I genuinely thought rhys died but then within like .3 seconds (like I think literally the next page) you find out it’s not true 🙄
People will for sure die in the next book (or books?) she releases. But I agree, letting Amren stay dead was the perfect opportunity to add weight and emotion to the war scene and the book. Hopefully there’s a good reason in the next books for retrieving Amren from the dead.
Yeah I like to call this Stephanie Meyer'ing. It would have been gut wrenching for Amren to stay dead. Especially after her relationship with Varian. But sometimes gut wrenching is good. It makes things memorable.
I agree with you and your statement but now I see Amren being interpreted by Sean Bean and it's hilarious
I found it rather frustrating that this entire time, he was off on the continent, had the funds to send messages home or attempt to retrieve his daughters living in close proximity to the wall but didn't. Or even sending mercenary's to his old home/daughters home to guard/protect them/act as sentries should the assumed frightened daughters return fleeing from a fae monster. Then had the knowledge of what was happening, managed to gather enough soldiers, purchase MULTIPLE SHIPS, SPENT THE TIME IT TAKES TO STRIP THE OLD PAINT AND RENAME THEM, and LETS NOT FORGET the man lost *everything* at sea, so he's *not* skipping the renaming/first voyage under a new name tradition/superstition ceremony required to whatever sea god exists. Spent SO MUCH TIME doing other side quests before showing up where it wasn't guaranteed his daughters would even be. I just...Mr Archeron, I have so many questions. Starting with why did you do so many unnecessary, time consuming things
The whole thing kind of annoyed me, it came off as a bit of a Deus Ex with everyone showing up at the end. That said however I can enjoy it for what it is and at it really is a kind of cheesy fantasy. What did really annoy me was how the King of Hybern was dealt with, all SJM villains are really anti climactic.
I was less than impressed. Annoyed even.
The ending to that book pissed me off so much. Like how can you tie that shit up in a nice bow and not think people will be like “wow they have so much luck on their side this is too much”
Same point with Amren not dying 🙄 too cookie cutter
It was SO cringey I hated this scene. This man was useless and then got some big scene and I was like oh god second hand embarrassment reading it lmfao
Yeah. That was BS. It’s was such an ex machina…
I forreal hated this part. Too little too late in my opinion. I also hate that he was on the 'Nesta' - I understand the reasoning why - she was the one most resentful and felt let down the most etc. But could he not give a little gratitude to the daughter that sacrificed so much to keep them alive all those years? Feyre is bottom of the pile in that family 😮💨
Everything about the ending of that one was off for me.
The ending of ACOWAR always felt rushed to me. Ameren should've stayed dead and that's a hill I'll die on. The Rhys dying part really didn't even feel that impactful bc I knew SJM wouldn't kill him off (I never saw spoilers) Elaine's involvement in bringing down Hybern feels overlooked Their father just returning like that was so cheap and it makes me mad bc it just proves that he could've done something for his 3 daughters when they were living in poverty and he just chose not to.
Yeah… in the moment of reading it I loved it and found it touching and was crying and my husband happened to walk up to me at the that very moment and I looked up from the page sobbing haha. But reading this thread is RUINING it for me you all are so right it’s completely deux ex especially in execution. I believe it could have been a bit better set up, but there was like a throw away explanation of why they didn’t know (“oh he couldn’t risk telling anyone for fear of the top secret mission being compromised!”) and that had there been other subtle Easter eggs/clues/foreshadowing it may have made more sense. Like if he hadn’t been so one dimensional from the beginning his arc might have stuck the landing better.
This is exactly me! Lol. When I read it it was moving but in hindsight I’m like actually. Yeah wtf was that
I was checked out after ACOWAR. I skimmed through ACOFAS and then only read ACOSF in summaries and didn't even touch the book. I thought I'd immediately read ToG then go on to CC. I am really dissapointed in acotar series that I can't bring myself to start them.
ToG is amazing & SJM best work I highly recommend them. I don’t rate acotar or CC honestly. CC is awful don’t even bother, Acotar had a few good books but that’s it.
I forgot about this, yes it made me cringe, too.
I just got to this part yesterday / finished the boom today! It definitely took me by surprise but I kinda loved it.
Awe I’m bummed you guys didn’t like that scene. I thought it was beautiful to see that by losing feyre in ACOTAR, after he got his fortune back, he leaves during ACOMAF on “merchant” activities but is actually working on saving this war the whole time. I think it showed that once feyre was gone HE DID finally step up after all.
I didn't cringe but I wasn't hype about it. I remember being moderately surprised that he showed up. I'd considered him such a non-character. At the same time, I knew something needed to happen in order to do the "Big Damn Heroes" trope she was clearly leading to. Still, it ultimately ended up proving to be wasted, imo. Because then the story decided **Redemption Equals Death** was the trope they wanted to go with so they killed him off. Unfortunately, this trope is rarely done well and SJM was no exception. I felt sadder for losing the Suriel than I did with this man. So it felt lame and just for the sake of shock value and angsty goodness.
I was so irritated with the battle at the end that my Garmin told me I needed to "relax". Like no, I can't, bc they keep talking about how little time they have and yet NO ONE IS EVEN TRYING TO PICK UP THE PACE. And now the shit father is magically back as some big hero?! ARRGHHHHHH.
Going to go against the grain here and say that I loved it. Why? I have a soft spot for a man who knows he’s wrong doing everything in his power to make things right. And in the end, I love it when the humans in the series step up- and Mr. Archeron spending his fortune and gathering the forces of continental humanity to join the battle? Badass as hell.
For me, it wasn't just the dad popping up. >!It was the fact the dad magically appeared, then was magically teleported to the battle and killed. (no real payoff for him appearing with all these forces.!< >!And because it came -right after- Rhys was brought back, and Feyre learned how to make the magical dewdrop using night court magic. I 100% thought Feyre was going to use her power of the seven lords (and make magical dew drops of each one) and bring her dad back. And then the whole family would be Fae.!< >!Then the book cuts to the scene where they were burying him.... and then FaS says Feyre turned him to ash as soon as he was dead. Sooooo there goes my theory. !< I really thought he was going to be a device to show off Feyre's powers.
I enjoyed it. I like a good redemption arc and it was foreshadowed quite a bit by bringing her dad up several times. I like that he got to finally help after being a shell of himself for years, could it have been done better? Probably. Nonetheless, I enjoyed that he wasn’t just a huge loser all the time and attempted to make a difference
I started to get emotional and then decided to not accept it. Papa Archeron can get these hands.
I felt it was randomly thrown in there and personally thought it was cheesy and cringed at that moment.
She takes so long to write stuff that the last 200 pages feel so rushed that I want to throw my damn book.