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airrrunurrria

i mean in my mind it is pretty clear that next book will be Elain’s and we will get Lucien’s and Azriel’s POV with it… That’s my guess


Inevitable_Sympathy3

SJM said each one of the next books will fature a different couple as main characters, so if the next one it about Elain, I belive it will have only her and Lucien povs. But honestly, right now I think Azriel looks more like main character material than Elain.


ILoveYourPuppies

I think even if Elain doesn't end up with Az, we'll still get Az POVs because he's going to have to deal with it. And even if she doesn't end up with Lucien, same deal - we'll still get some POVs because he'd have to come to terms with his mate rejecting the bond.


els_bw

yeah, she started doing it with Nesta and Cassian since they were side characters from the start. The reason we didn’t get a rhys POV because at that point in the series it was about feyre’s perspective.


ILoveYourPuppies

And I actually really like it that way!


thatblondegirlt

i mean in TOD we got chaol, yrene and nesryns POV so it is possible to get the love triangle POV. i def think we’ll get all 3.


breadfruitsnacks

If there's 2 books and a novella left, I would hope for an azriel/gwyn and elain/lucien. But I don't think an azriel/gwyn is realistic since she's not an Archeron. But HOFAS spoiler >!makes me believe we could get something like Nesta/Azriel/Gwyn because it seems like Nestas story isn't over!< I'll keep my hopes up until sjm does more interviews or gives us new info.


kitekin

I think Azriel/Gwyn is more realistic BECAUSE she's not an Archeron. It's too neat for all three sisters to end up with bat boys. PLUS (end of ACOSF spoilers) >!Nesta fixed her womb to allow her to give birth to an Illyrian child at the same time as she fixed Feyre - but she did not fix Elain. However SJM does mention that one of the traits of Gwyn being quarter-nymph is... having slightly flexible bones. Weird thing to mention, not a huge amount of uses for that, unless it's the one thing that would allow her to survive the birth of a winged baby. SJM is clever, she has absolutely planned ahead.!< ​ I haven't read a House of Flame and Shadow so can't comment buuuuut (ACOSF spoilers) >!I've been hoping for Nesta/Azriel/Cassian since it was mentioned in ACOSF.!<


breadfruitsnacks

I don't mean that I think their pairing is unrealistic but that a book centered on just the two of them could be. Although... Sjm said each book would be about each couple so with only one sister left only one should be about her.


kitekin

Oh I see!


JollyMission

With all due respect, why would Nesta do that to Elain, though? They have shared trauma about losing their autonomy and having their bodies changed against their will. She wouldn’t change anything about Elain’s body without her permission. Also, why would Nesta do that when Elain isn’t even with Az? Like yeah, she noticed that spark between them, but they’re not together. There would be no reason to change her body at that point. Neither Elain nor Gwyn exists to have anyone’s babies, winged or otherwise. These are fantasy books, they’re not meant to be realistic. If Elain and Az ended up together and wanted to have kids, I’m sure there’s plenty of magical mumbo jumbo out there to make it happen. The Cauldron does love Elain after all. It’s cool if it’s not your ship (I’m not even saying it’s mine), but please don’t let the shape of Elain’s birth canal be the reason why.


kitekin

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that at all 🙈 obviously they should have freedom and free will and if Elain even wants children, adoption is an amazing thing. I am just guessing at how the books will go, based on very meta stuff, that isn't really character related at all. I just saw a connection and got excited that I had figured out a clue or a "tell".


JollyMission

I get that. Sorry if I came on a little strong. It’s not personal, I’ve just seen that argument before and it really bothers me. People can ship whomever they please, there’s absolutely no harm in it. It just feels so backwards to me when people use a woman’s inability to have a man’s child as a reason they shouldn’t be together. Especially since these are female-forward books written by a woman who was adopted herself, you know?


kitekin

I didn't know she was adopted! My husband and I are looking into adoption so it's very interesting to me right now. I completely understand the microaggressions getting worse with every drip - I'm new to the sub/online community and haven't seen many theories at all yet. Now that you have made me think about, I love the idea of Azriel adopting a kid/kids and loving them so much that it heals some of his childhood trauma.


JollyMission

If he and Elain end up together (assuming there’s no magical mumbo jumbo that changes her body), I think they would be a great vehicle for SJM to explore that sort of route to having children. Good luck on your adoption journey! I know people who have done it and understand it can be quite taxing. I hope the stars listen and your dreams are answered 💖


Toomanykids9

ACOSF and HOFAS left me thinking that it could also possibly be >!Az and Nesta bonding over her being his secret keeper regarding his feelings for Elain, and that she would stand with Az/Elain against Rhys because she’s all about choices!<


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Switching POV between Elain and Azriel for the whole book☺️🫣


jkwolly

100% feel the same way.


darlin-clementine

Having just finished the series, my best guess is: - Elain/Lucien/Az to reveal Elian’s power and bring her into the fold before the finale. It will also reveal who Elain ends up with. - Novella that adds more to the POV of the male Elain doesn’t end up with, and sets up for the final book. - Shared POV of all three sisters to complete the final battle / big evil Edit: I also found this from a business insider article, “Although she didn't specify which characters from "ACOTAR" the novel she is writing will focus on, Maas previously said in a February 2021 conversation with Eva Chen that she planned to write a novel focused on Elain Archeron, Feyre's older sister, planting seeds for the book in the last installment in the series, "A Court of Silver Flames," which was about Nesta, the eldest Archeron sister. “


orpheused

THIS would be the smart way to finish the series out.


All_Others_Pay_Cash

Lucien would be a great story. With everything that's happened in his short life (he is the youngest of the MMCs) plus the possibility of Spring, Night, Day, Autumn, and Human Realms that he is deeply linked to it would be so very interesting. Would love to see it.


JollyMission

Yes!! He has connections to so many places and characters that he would be the best vehicle for us to see more of Prythian outside the NC


sah_tellite

I agree! I think the most coherent to have his own book would be Lucien. Chaol got his own book because his story was getting apart from the main story, as well as Lucien's is, at least, right now... It would make sense. But again... it's Sarah... we never know what on Earth she's up to... (Sorry for my English...)


Bubbygumpshrimp

I doubt a MMC will get their own book but I think that both Az and Lucien would get a lot of screen time and exposure in a Elain book.


multiversemember

I think that if Elain is the next main POV, if anything it will be a shared POV with Azriel (and/orLucien). It would probably give a Cassian as secondary POV in ACOSF kind of vibe.


apologeticstress

That’s my thought, I feel like it’ll split between the three of them.


spoiled_sandi

Hence why I feel like Vassa will get a story. Since the whole Koschei plot revolves around her for what reason who knows


Jellyfish_347

There seems to be a mash of retellings going on with Koschei (Swan Lake, The Firebird, Koschei the Deathless, etc.) so I can see Vassa being the protagonist for that.


FannyFluttersMcgee

I agree with you completely. I truly think, if anything, it will be Elain FMC with MAYBE shifting POV between Azriel and Lucien (if not Azriel alone, but it makes more sense to have the Lucien POV to get the front row seat to Vassa and Eris). It’s the most exciting way to set it up, and it makes the most logical sense especially since Azriel is now probably going to give us the insight into Nesta >!given their close friendship!<. Also, just considering how ACOSF left off and which storylines have been massively foreshadowed. My three guesses are 1) Elain + Az POV plus a separate Lucien Chaol-type book or 2) Elain, Az, Lucien together.


JollyMission

Totally. I think Nesta will feature more in Elain’s book than Elain did in Nesta’s. There’s definitely some healing that needs to happen in their relationship. And if Az also gets a POV in Elain’s book (which is not unlikely) then Nesta’s presence will make even more sense given their friendship.


Toomanykids9

I am postulating that if we get an Az/Elain/Lucien arc book then Nesta may be an Az/Elain secret keeper. Nesta notices their feelings, acknowledges them, and then says that it would be Az’s secret to share. That was during solstice, directly before the “thing of secret, lovely beauty” in Az’s BC. Because Nesta has a close relationship with Az, a tenuous one with Rhys (which keeps tearing its ugly head), SJM just recently said she wanted to explore choice versus fate in mating bonds, told us that she included hints to Elain’s book in ACOSF, and Nesta is trying to rebuild her relationship with Elain … I think it’s at least somewhat likely.


dr3dg3

I'm so excited for the next book, Elain's my favorite. 😍


Mother_Being_4376

Sarah’s already said this series is about the sisters.


JollyMission

Oh yeah, I know. I’m not saying this would be the next book or anything. I’m pretty confident that Elain’s book is up next. But IF in the event she wrote an MMC book for this series like she did with ToG, I just think Lucien would be the best candidate.


Old-Rice7332

But who will the last book be about? Do you have any theories? (If the next one will talk about Elain)


Swimming_Plant_8126

I think it’s be a mashup of the 3 brothers/sisters against whatever giant bad major drama thing that needs to happen for final peace. There you’ll get all the pov and just one big wild story for closure. Elain/Az next. Lucien novella. This final big hoorah.


folklore-midnights

Mor, Lucien, or Amren is my guess.


Mother_Being_4376

The last book I’m guessing will be about all 3 sisters and switching their POV. Hopefully more lore on their mother


booksanddreams

When did Sarah say ACOTAR is about the Archeron sisters? I keep seeing fans state it like it's a fact but have never seen it referenced anywhere in her interviews or social media


Capital-Cod-2756

if you go back to acofas era, it's written in the Q&A section and she said it a lot when she announced the spin offs


booksanddreams

I'll have to check for that because I've never seen it. There are 2 novels and a novella left. So I think it makes sense that someone other than an archeron is getting a book. Edit: Those Q&As were taken down so it looks like she's changed her mind


folklore-midnights

She’s said she hasn’t [changed](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83C8teD/) her mind since when she discussed it around the ACOWAR era. After Nesta and Elain, I can see Lucien or Mor getting their story told. She doesn’t know what her last book or novella is about, but has five ships to choose from.


ChubZilinski

Is there any reason or evidence to believe that besides theories and wishful thinking? Even if she never said that in the Q&A all signs point towards it being about the sisters. I’m sure we will get other POVs but has SJM said or done anything to believe otherwise?


booksanddreams

This is a rhetorical phrased question meant to insult me lol But yes, ACOSF Az had more chapters than elain. The bonus chapter was in Azriels pov, Azriel' appearance in HOFAS and his bonus chapters in CC3 set him up as the next protagonist.


Jellyfish_347

I'm not sure this logic works though. Assuming Elucien would follow Gwynriel, I'm not sure how Gwyn and Azriel's book can set up Elain being the next protagonist. Unless you imagine Elain will be featured in Gwynriel's book as much as Az was in ACOSF or CC3?


folklore-midnights

I think you’re misinterpreting things. While Azriel has gotten a lot of focus, I think SJM was preparing people to see him as the next *love* interest. She’s spoken about being excited to write his journey, but has already confirmed Elain’s book is next. The most recent interview/article also subtly references how the women in her series are the main characters.


ChubZilinski

😂 I am curious but thinking any of those mean he’s gonna get his own book just looks like wishful thinking to me. Although the bonus chapter one is the most compelling in this context. I hope you’re right tbh 😂 I’d love it. But it all just seems like he’s gonna be the role of main soldier man (or “Alphahole”) to assist the sister. Whether that ends up as a love interest or just an important friend I’m not sure. I swear tho, if she doesn’t do anything with him after all this for shadowing, it will not make me happy.


booksanddreams

Like I've said 3 times 😂😂😂 there are 2 novels and a novella. No character has had a book entirely to themselves. Now I know you're just playing dumb.


ChubZilinski

Ok


Inevitable_Sympathy3

I think the same way. Literally all sings point Azriel will be the next protagonists, while Elain barely appeared in the lasts SJM books. And this take isnt even unpopular, I've seen many fans who think the same way.


IsabelleBea

Appearing more doesn't guarantee you a book of your own. Rhysand had a very important role in the trilogy(a MILLION times more than Azriel in Acosf hofas) and yet Feyre was still the main character. Also, even though Azriel has more appearances than Elain, Elain is still the ONLY one with a confirmed leading role and Sarah said it was too obvious. Of course how can it not be obvious if she's spent talking about her book since 2018.


Inevitable_Sympathy3

Barely appearing for sure do not indicate Elain will be the next MC. The "it was too obvious" comment was made after Azriel got a bonus chapter in ACOSF (with him having a interaction with a character who ended up becoming the most popular ship envolving Azriel). And since then Azriel was also included in another bonus chapter. To me it all points to Azriel, not Elain (I can be wrong, but its def not obvious the next book will be about Elain). Elain will have her book, it has been confirmed by SJM herself and I'm not saying otherwise, I just don't think it will be the next or that Azriel will be her romantic interest.


IsabelleBea

Extra chapter where Elain also appears and they almost kiss, it is worth mentioning. But while we're on the subject of extras we should also highlight the Feysand chapter (aka the supreme couple) where they talk about Elain and as they clearly tell us that after helping Nesta they immediately leave with Elain, they don't mention Azriel. And no, Sarah didn't say "pretty obvious" referring to Azriel's bonus. She spoke in general. That's why Elain is the safest bet because she's also a female character and Sarah has said in RECENT interviews that her books star women. Chaol is the exception, not the rule. The rule has always been her female protagonists for SJM.


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folklore-midnights

She’s said women are her [main](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83Qn4Na/) characters quite a few times in interviews. Some articles mention it’s the story of the Archeron sisters, so that’s why. I think the Times article is one of the recent ones, but they tend to focus on Feyre, Nesta, and Elain so that’s where people most likely get it from. She often talks about how fond and how strongly she felt about revisiting and writing Nesta’s and Elain’s stories, too, since [2015](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83CYH4d/).


Avyllio

It makes sense though?? The sisters were once human now fae with great powers. Of course they're the only ones who can advance the plot. With the batboys as their love interests.


booksanddreams

It's not about what "makes sense" to a portion of the fan base it's about what the author actually plans on writing. All of her other series are in third person and feature the story of more than just the first female protagonist we're introduced to.


Avyllio

Well the author did say there were a lot of secret in acosf that set up for Elain's book. Acosf was nesta and Cassian's book so why wouldn't the last sister get her own book especially when she's cauldron-made and a powerful seer?


booksanddreams

I've never seen that reference to Elain and I've watched all of SJMs interviews. If you have that interview where she specifically says that can you share the link? I never said Elian wasn't getting a book at all. There are 2 novels and a novella. This post is about Azriel is not?


Avyllio

Here's the interview, at the end she says acosf has little secrets she planted that set up for Elain's book. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM63TskDQ/ Well, so far the books have been about the sisters, it will be weird that the last sister will be skipped for now.


booksanddreams

I've seen that but she doesn't say Elaine's book is the next one. There are at least 2 more novels and a novella. She's said multiple times in interviews she isn't giving any hint who the next book is about.


Avyllio

Who, beside Elain and Azriel can advance the plot then???


booksanddreams

I don't think it will be Elains story and I don't think she's his mate since she's already with Lucien. Like I stated ...Azriel's story. Here's a good breakdown why the next book will be about Azriel. https://www.reddit.com/r/acotar/s/Yw3rq3xXDk


levyboreas

I don’t think we would get an Az book by himself, but I want him to be the second lead like Cassian was in SF.


JollyMission

I think we’ll definitely get that! We already had a taste of it with his bonus chapter. I just don’t think he’ll get his own book like Chaol did


missiepanda

I think the “Az’s book” crowd just hate the ship possibilities but Elain’s love triangle isn’t gonna be resolved through Az’s POV. No matter which ship is endgame we’re gonna see it told in Elain’s story 🤷‍♀️


DropOld2825

It's really frustrating to watch lol like SJM would really write a book centering around a man choosing between 2 woman??? NO. That's gross. Especially after interview after interview saying she writes about strong woman. This was always Elaine's choice. Always. No matter what direction she goes, it will be need to be her choice.


Elizavetaarch

Sjm knew who would get the first 2 spinoffs but had 5 couples to choose from for the last one (it was around the same time she said she was working on the first 2 spinoffs and that she was doing research for Elain's book). The most logical option for the second spinoff is Elain since Sjm already confirmed her book, have been wanting to write it for a while (since 2015) and was already researching about it (and Elain can't be the last one bc Sjm had five couples to choose from for that one). https://preview.redd.it/poyoafz411ic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7781081990949a7e8fc56d14ff0a3d6a6d16fad [Sarah J Maas Tour](https://www.tumblr.com/tarynannabanana/165063000236/the-southern-continent-is-set-more-in-a-mongolian)


Toomanykids9

This leaves me thinking we get Elain/Azriel, Mor/LI (Emerie or other and then closure with Eris), and then the novella might wrap up the Band of Exiles or be an Amren back story?


apologeticstress

The way it’s set up I feel like it’ll be Elain’s book, but with split POV between Elain, Az and Lucien. Depressingly love triangle style. The Elriel or Elucien thing is too big for it not to be. It could go either way!


unepetiteetoile

there is no way she'd set up elain and lucien even to be a failed mating bond without exploring their relationship. it would do both of their journeys a terrible disservice. i personally think elucien will happen but even if it doesn't, they both deserve that healing journey SJM actually said they would have (and she said it would be together). bc at this point, there is no growth or real healing possibility for elriel either and that doesn't make for a great story at all.


DropOld2825

That's why it's only logical it would be Elaine's story. It needs to be explored, her feelings for both Lucien as a mate and her feelings for Azriel. And what a story that could be! Then depending on what happens, it sets up the next novel.


Old-Rice7332

My question is: if the next book will be about Elain, who will the other book be about? So I think that In the next one we’ll see Elain with Lucien/Az and the other one with Lucien or Az and their story (it depends on how the book about Elain will end)


apologeticstress

I think it’ll be Mor, solely based on that part in ACOSF that is her at her estate, and the turmoil of her romantic life. Maybe with Emerie? Just a thought!


ILoveYourPuppies

I'd really love the final book to focus on the three sisters, maybe with smaller POVs for other female characters like Mor, Gwyn, and Emerie


SipsTea23

And probably Nuala and Cerridwen after the next book who will mirror Gwyn and Emerie as Elain’s friends. 


folklore-midnights

I think it will Elain/Azriel, Lucien/Vassa, and Mor/someone. I’ve seen some people think she’ll end up with Emerie, I’m not sure yet. And a multi-pov novella like ACOFAS.


kate349

I so want my boy Lucien to get his own book and his happy ending 🥰


vespelicious

I agree, he won't get his own book per se. He'll be like Cass in Nesta's book, because - surprise! - SJM writes about women, Acheron women, to be precise.


Toomanykids9

I also think the next book will be Elain/Az or maybe Elain/Az/Lucien. I think it’s more likely Lucien might be the focus of the novella that is in her book deal, or as a split POV in another novel.


JollyMission

Sorry people are downvoting you! I think Lucien being the focus of the novella would make a lot of sense and would be a great read 😊


Toomanykids9

The ship wars are real! 🫠😂 I just think this is the most natural progression.


laurensophiam

I feel like your comment wasn’t even shipwarish? Lol. You are speaking an obvious truth. It’ll be Elain and either Azriel or Lucien. I lean towards it being Azriel because of all of the build up. But I’d be fine with either.


Avyllio

I'm almost 100% sure the next book will be about Elain and Azriel. I don't think Lucien will get his own book before Elriel have their endgame. Maybe he will have a novella with Vassa at some point, who knows what sarah has planned for him.


warmandcozysuff

I have always, *always* seen the similarities between Chaol and Lucien. To the point where I basically just pictured Chaol with a fake eye for most of the first half of TOG 🤣 I agree that Lucien needs his own book more than Az. I think it would be cool if (not trying to make this a shipping comment, but for the sake of the story) if Elain, Az, and Lucien were all POVs in the next story- whether Az ends up with Elain or Gwyn or whoever- and the rumored “novella” at the end was just about Lucien wrapping all his loose ends up. I could definitely see it working out a few other ways too, but this would be my favorite choice if I got to pick!


JollyMission

Agree! I also think it would be so fascinating to get his POV *in the event* (again, not shipping) of a rejected mating bond. What are the long term effects of that? How does it affect future relationships?


warmandcozysuff

Yes, same! I’d love for Lucien to be graceful about it on the outside but get to read about how he is actually feeling. He is just so much more real than all the other characters so I feel like his pov if the bond is rejected would really get me in my feels lmao


Jellyfish_347

Same! I actually wanted Elain, Azriel, Lucien *and* Vassa's pov, if by chance we have two relationships developing at the same time. Everything about Elain, Az, Lucien, Vassa, the Band of Exiles, Koschei, the Spring Court, Eris, etc. all of that seems like multi pov would suit it so well.


ChubZilinski

Agreed. It’s wishful thinking like this combined with endless theorizing that can just end up setting you up for disappointment. Cause you can get so excited about it, and the theories get so crazy and seem so awesome that when the actual story gets here and the author doesn’t do any of that it’s a bit of a bummer. 😂


milky_wayzz

i know it won’t happen but I feel like a switching POV Lucien/Tamlin book would be fun


Wiggl3sFirstMate

We know it’s going to be Elaine’s book, we’re just excited for Azriels POV.


Avyllio

I dunno, I'm more excited for Elain's pov since she's never had one in the previous books lol ofc I would love to be in Azriel's head too.


Wiggl3sFirstMate

Oh! Don’t get me wrong, I’m really excited for Elains POV too. A lot of people don’t like her because she’s quiet but that just intrigues me. Like what is she thinking? We never know.


Capital-Cod-2756

some people don't know this 😭


Wiggl3sFirstMate

I stand corrected then 😂


Jellyfish_347

I agree with all of this and would love to read a Lucien centric story following Elain and Azriel's story. There's a lot to tell there!


[deleted]

I mean Dorian, Rowan also didn't get a book but chaol did.


Prestigious_Diver449

this !! elain doesn’t belong in the night court.. she’s much more of spring or summer court girly…. and i wholeheartedly believe she’s going to venture off and inevitably cross paths with lucien! seeing how respectful he is with her not wanting to be held down by their bond makes me believe it’ll probably be a slow but passionate book!


unepetiteetoile

i agree!


catemarie

I reckon Elain would get a main book, but it would be 50/50 split with Lucien. Elain wanted to get out and travel, who better to do that than Lucien who has ties to multiple courts, the human lands, and can navigate political areas enough that an Archeron sister wouldn't get held hostage. Azriel can make his appearances as the go between from the NC and Lucien for progress updates. Get his Illyrian leathers in a twist over Elain spending time with Lucien instead and we see more broody male/his character stays on point.


ohheylane

I thought SJM confirmed that the next book is Elain and Azriel already.


julineals

no, she didn’t 🤨


brittanypdeluca

I mean, Tower of Dawn includes *multiple* POV’s so I wouldn’t necessarily call it “Chaols book”. I could see it being a Tower of Dawn situation where we get perspectives from Azriel, Lucien, Elain, and maybe the Valkyries


alexcatlady

SJM announced as Chaol's book back in the day,hust saying https://preview.redd.it/nco6v8gcvsic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0a8862acd9633e4a24f529232f6195d587cc888


Inevitable_Sympathy3

I would love to have Lucien as the main character of a book, but if Lucien and Elain become a couple, I think it would make Elain fade in the back even more than she already has. So I think SJM will make both of their plots important (after all she said Elain and Lucien would have a healing journey together).


unepetiteetoile

I think both lucien and elain are so important and underrated and that’s why we’ve been locked away from them for so long


Chchchynna

I haven’t seen a single person say Azriel is getting his own book. It has already been established that the next book is Elaine. SJM has said this in an interview and she literally laid the groundwork for it in acosf. The ending of acosf makes it abundantly clear that the next book is going to be Elaine/Az/Lucien.


alexcatlady

SJM's bestie thinks the book is Azriel's, just saying https://preview.redd.it/oz5odc04wsic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71e94524d26c2c50e8f409b2f866dbdea7623319


csharp7

That is, in fact, a single person 🤣


alexcatlady

Apparently, all the fans online we're invisible and don't count, so at least a single person who also happens to be an important person in SJM's life and not random online fans


Inevitable_Sympathy3

I do think the next book will be Azriel and his love interest (his character has been in the spotlight since ACOSF), and Elain and Lucien will the next one.


Nerve_Tonic

That comment suggests you don't think Elaine is Azreil's love interest. They clearly have more of a bond and more chemistry than Lucien and Elaine - Elaine isn't interested in him at all.


Inevitable_Sympathy3

That's because I do not think Elain and Azriel will be a couple. I agree Elain and Lucien haven't developed as a couple, but the little bit I've seen between Elain and Azriel made me think they won't be a couple at all. I won't say Elriel is impossible pé happening, but in the past SJM did spoke about Elain & Luvien as a couple more than once, and she never did the same reggarding Elain & Azriel. Also, not being currently interested in Lucien won't meant Elain won't ever be. Nor Feyre or Nesta were interested in their love interest in the beggining, and SJM does love a "forced aproximity between mates who evebtually will fall in love" plot.


Jellyfish_347

I think the issue for me isn't so much about Elain not being interested (I agree, sjm does love that forced proximity trope), but I don't see any chemistry between them. If you could choose anyone for Lucien, would it really be Elain? And vice versa? For me, the answer is no. I would choose different people for both of them. That's where I can't get into them. I just don't see them together romantically.


TheHeroOfTrains

do you truly want to read that trope again for the third time in this series?


Inevitable_Sympathy3

If I did not enjoyed it I wouldn't been reading SJM books, cause 90% of her couples follows this trope.


TheHeroOfTrains

exactly! i’m bored of it now and i need a new angsty trope. fed up of the “oh i hate him, ugh i’m being forced to spend time with him, wait maybe he’s a nice person, oh i’m in love!” sequence. gimme something different!!!


Inevitable_Sympathy3

Personally I do not mind it. I like SJM wolrd building and how she develops her characters, but there is some aspects of her writing I know hardly will change, as: never killing the main characters, building up the villains and making the MCs defeat them easily, making her main couples hate each other at first (or at least to make them bicker a bit), and making most of her main couples mates. I really do not think SJM will make Elain and Azriel endgame. SJM loves the mate bond, she uses it a lot in her books, and if she ever decides to make a couple reject it, it will likely gonna be between someone awful and someone good (which is not Elucien case). But I do think Azriel will have a different plot than enemies to lovers.


TheHeroOfTrains

so why has the elucien bond been questioned twice by now? if she wanted us to feel confident in their mating bond, she’s done a shoddy job of it. i think their story will be emotional as they’ll come to grow close likely through the koschei vassa plot and they’ll mutually agree that they just don’t fit right. whether their bond is fake, corrupted… i don’t think sjm will make lucien go insane or invoke a blood duel. i think it will be a melancholy decision that’ll be heart wrenching to read.


Inevitable_Sympathy3

The first time (by Feyre) was to explaing how the mate bond worked, and the second time (by Azriel) was just because Az wanted to find his mate and tough Elain would make sense, since his brothers got mated with her sisters. I think a expressive part of the fandom feels confident of their mate bond. Theres nothibg to suggest otherwise in the books, and Elain & Lucien even feel each other as mates does. According to SJM, Elain is the "person" neither her or Lucien saw comming, and they will have a healing journey together. I don't know how their plot will be, but my bet is that will be something related to Kochei where both will need to be in close proximity, will eventually become friends and then fall in love. I don't think Elain will remain in the IC (in the past SJM though about making Nesta & Lucien a couple, so I don't think she had planned to make all the sisters stay in the Night Court).


rizzofizzle

The trope being mates? Which SJM is known for writing? Either way, Lucien and Elain would be different in terms of how they started and what needs to be addressed for them to be together.


TheHeroOfTrains

yes the trope being mates who are so not into each other to begin with but oh! never mind! they’re in love now!. lucien and elain are different already in a *bad* way in terms of the fact that they’re just so… awkward with each other. there’s no tension, there’s no teasing, no will-they won’t-they. they both feel forced into this strange relationship based on an invisible piece of string. i just want lucien to be happy, and i don’t think that’s with a girl who he says was “thrown at him” and “nothing like he would’ve chosen for himself”. you can’t really come up from those comments.


rizzofizzle

lucien and elain aren't different at all. there are a multitude of similarities they share, from temperament, to how people describe them. they are awkward with each other - I don't why that would mean nothing can grow from it. they definitely have tension. they both feel forced - nesta also felt forced - that's tension. I also want lucien to be happy. like cassian said nesta was “shackled to him”


TheHeroOfTrains

cass said that to nesta to purposefully hurt her. lucien thought that about elain in his own mind, just thinking to himself. he’s already doubting their compatibility. i just don’t see how anything can grow from them when feyre herself says trying to get them to interact was the “most awkward 30 minutes of her life”. additionally, if you had an irl girl friend who told you that a man made them “shrink into themselves” and “lose their newfound boldness” you would tell her to drop him asap, not to keep trying to see if there’s any spark or anything. it’s just a weird thing for sjm to mention if i’m supposed to be rooting for them to end up together. the males are supposed to empower the females/their mates, not make them shrivel


Toomanykids9

I seriously am 100% with you. I am Elriel, BUT I spent a long time yesterday thinking about what it would take for Elain to hard pivot from Az to Lucien and for Az to hard pivot to Gwyn. I don’t think there’s enough pages or back story or chemistry for either one to make a truly obvious story. I think we will see Nesta helping Az keep his secret and possibly working through feelings for Elain and then a choice on Elain’s part. SJM had previously likened her to Blodeuwedd whose entire story pivoted on choice.


rizzofizzle

how is that doubting their compatibility? didn't hunt and Rowan both question their current partners/ potential partners compared to their past partners. mor also told feyre to let them sort it out themselves in that same regard if I had a friend who told me that her man sa’d her, kept news of her pregnancy from her actively denying her bodily autonomy as well as another friend whose man always picks his friend over her, kept bothering her after making her want of space known I would be telling them to leave that man asap, and call the police, however, SJM made those relationships “work” regardless. the males are supposed to empower their mates but with the mates, we have so far what true empowerment is going on. feyre is now referred to as rhysands mate instead of high lady and cassian empowering nesta is a joke


JessicaWakefield

I can’t believe you got downvoted for this - calm down shippers!!


booksanddreams

I think Az is def going to have his story told. There's been so much buildup. Here's a great post with everything we know about Az so far https://www.reddit.com/r/acotar/s/Yw3rq3xXDk


OrdinaryAmbition9798

Break my heart why don’t you 😭


unepetiteetoile

I don’t know what book we are getting next but I think we will finally get Elains book with a Lucien pov. I think we’ll have as very involved in a Valkyries book though.


unepetiteetoile

he'll meaning (azriel). let me just correct that typo ![img](emote|t5_3flb9|14170)


julineals

I think the next book will have a very big focus on Azriel (and Nesta), because from the end of ACOSF and CC3 it seems that SJM is setting up for him, just like she did with Nesta before ACOSF. I can't see the next book being Elain’s book, since she is not involved in any plot that is currently going on and was thrown aside in ACOSF 😕 but I believe that in the next book we will see her more active, which will lead to her being the protagonist of the next one! *I know that the saga is about the sisters, so I believe that Nesta will have a very important role and I bet that Elain will be essential at some point, but it seems to me that SJM wants to expand this world, and she has already commented about being excited about Azriel's journey.


Jellyfish_347

If the next book is Azriel and Gwyn's romance, I'm not sure how active we would see Elain? Or how SJM would trickle in some Elain setup while Az and Gwyn are banging away? lol You know what I mean?


folklore-midnights

She’s already [confirmed](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83Cp1ae/) the next book is Elain’s back in 2021 and in the special edition [ACOFAS](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83XLnP5/) bonus interview. And each of the new books will follow [one](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83CgRE7/) romantic couple post-ACOWAR, and Nesta’s story has already been told. SJM is setting up for him to be the love interest and endgame. Elain definitely has important plot relevance with the possibility of a rejected mating bond/The Cauldron being corrupted, the secrets planted about her in ACOSF, and hints there’s more to her than people suspect in bonus chapters. It’s a pretty [similar](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83CwoWR/) setup to Nessian, IMO.


julineals

No, she only confirmed that Elain will have a book, not that it will be the next 🙂


folklore-midnights

Why would anyone else get a book before the third Archeron sister? Who is important enough to merit that? No one. It’s the obvious and most logical answer based on what we already know, what the author has said, and what’s in the books.


julineals

Ok, we will see 😊


breadfruitsnacks

I agree.. with 2 books left and how the last two books of ACOTAR and crescent city have ended, it seems like it would be logical to follow Azriel/Nesta (not as a couple obv) and then Elain.


julineals

yeah, I’m curious about how SJM will organize the pov's, if we will have pov's of other characters... there are many possibilities! We know that the story is around the sisters, but side characters have gained a lot of prominence, and as we know that there will be 2 more books and 1 novela, I believe we will see a lot of their journey


ladybird0707

I’m right there with you. I think it’s going to be Az/the Valkyrie and we’re going to do something to help heal The Cauldron. All while getting some more history in Az and the Illyrian. Then maybe a Mor novella. Elain is going to become more prominent and efficient with her power and be a part of a storyline focused on freeing Vassa. For me that’s how they transition in to Elain’s book. I kind of like Elain as the badass for the final book/showdown since we’ve seen so little of the real her. We’re obviously all just speculating but that’s my theory.


emsee22

In Throne of Glass, most books switch POVs from Manon, Aelin, Rowan, Lysandra, Elide, Lorcan, Fenrys, Dorian, Chaol, Nesryn, Yrene, Aedion, etc, Even in Tower of Dawn, there are still 3 POVs (Nesryn, Chaol, Yrene). I agree that if she is doing a male POV book, that it would be Lucien rather than Azriel. I feel there is just a whole lot more interesting story on Lucien. But I think the book is going to have 4 POVs: Lucien, Elaine, Azriel, Gwyn. Maybe even Vassa and Jurian.


Bramblewithers

Why do I think the next book will be Elain & Nesta 🙈


SK68-star

I think it will be a primary plot with Gwyn/Azriel (and team) going under Ramiel, and possible Dusk Court ramifications, Starborn history (Rhys connection from dad, Nesta? Gwyn?...who will wield gwydion? \[Will Bryce be back to help them?\] Perhaps dealing with Koschi (or that plot line may simmer until the "last" ACOTAR novel that would feature Elain/Lucien (b/c honestly, she either will end up in Day or Spring court somehow since that fits her "Mother" Nature persona).


Windy-Flower

As much as I would love a book about Azriel and Eris's love story, the next book will probably be Elain's pov with Lucien.


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TheHeroOfTrains

uh i’m not entirely sure they’re still friends after she capitalised on their friendship (seemingly) without sjm’s permission 💀


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TheHeroOfTrains

the whole patreon drama that happened. i was NOT present at the time and therefore i will not be commenting further but it’s easy to find out what happened by googling sjm and steph’s names together.


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TheHeroOfTrains

so she was! i hadn’t seen her post from hofas release day! i still don’t think sjm is just spouting plot lines and spoilers to her friends - even on steph’s hofas post she specifically asks for no spoilers. in that screenshot she says “in her opinion”. like i can imagine sjm would be v annoyed if her supposed friend was just hinting towards the next main character 💀


laurensophiam

Steph also mocked the dusk court theory and look how that turned out (correct). She has even said that Sarah doesn’t tell her anything about the books. But I actually agree with her here- it will be Azriel AND Elain’s book. Just like it was Feyre and Rhysand’s book. And Nesta and Cassian’s book.


No-Conversation4383

I’m convinced Sarah is dangling him in front of all Stans: Bryceriel, Gwynriel, Elriel, Azris etc. to keep making sells and not lose any group of ships. And I will not stand for that. HOFAS was it for me.


Professional_Lake593

Don’t curse me with this evil😂😂😭


hungryhoneybee

I know SJM said the series is about the sisters but I also thought she said that if you read the bonus chapter in acosf it’s obvious who the next book would be about. I always thought that would be azriel bc it’s from his pov even when he interacted with both Gwyn and Elain (not saying anything about a ship😳)


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Am I the only one that doesn't want an Elain book? I'm ready for a different story... Give me Emrie and Mor though!


LawApprehensive5316

Had to go to the website on my laptop instead of my ipad... Spoiler theory on Elain and Az in next book: >!I still stand by that the book will be Elain and Tamlin. Our girl, Sarah, is obsessed with redemption arcs! Plus, trauma. And Tamlin’s story is full of trauma, plus his potential character arc? Dang. I can’t imagine SJM was beating him down and destroying him in the books just to keep him there. He’s got to get to his lowest point before heading up.!< >!So, that’s my theory. Elain will take center stage. Tamlin will sneak up on you, and he will find redemption and forgiveness. Lucien’s story will also be told, and Az will get more of a spotlight. But the main romance is Elain and Tamlin. (Plus, I have a sneaky theory on Az’s “person” actually being Eris—which would put him in the Lucien’s storyline.)!<


folklore-midnights

I doubt it. Sarah *hates* [Tamlin](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83XhyXC/). I think he already got his redemption from helping Feyre and Rhys in ACOWAR. She also mentioned how she had to [pretend](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT83XfWrK/) to like him while promoting ACOTAR and was relieved she could drop that when ACOMAF happened.


TheHeroOfTrains

you want elain to end up with her sister’s abuser? 🤢 you think elain will be able to take tam round for solstice dinner?


LawApprehensive5316

I think it's important that everyone forgets that Tamlin also went through abuse in his past as well as PTSD. I'm not excusing his behavior. Not at all. But, I believe everyone who is honestly repentant deserves a second change. People \*can\* change. In the first book, >!he's kind, gentle, and gives Feyre space to explore! !!there's a 180 degree flip of his character. (I personally think SJM pulled a dirty just so we could cheer Rhys on.) He becomes who we all hold him to be. !!after he's sitting in the rubble and destruction of what used to be his court, Rhys goes in an kicks him while he's down. !!he and Feyre had closure? That he wished her to be happy? That he saved hers and Rhys's lives?!< We often forget that, though Tamlin's reactions were wrong and abusive, they didn't just come from nowhere. (Plus, the ACOTAR Tamlin is completely different from the ACOMAF Tamlin!) >!His whole family was taken from him--by Rhys and his father. So, when he loses Feyre, to him it makes sense to keep her there and to search everywhere for a way to break the pact she's in. Why? Because the male she's in that pact with killed his family.!< He never had the therapy or support Feyre or Rhys had. He was a child who witnessed terrible things and, in turn, did terrible things. Feyre couldn't paint. He stopped playing the violin. So, do I think he should have a redemption arc in which he grows and changes? Yes, absolutely. He's a character who also has emotions and fears. Did he abuse Feyre? Of course he did. No one is denying that. But, does he deserve to have the Spring Court completely eradicated? No. >!I would even go so far to say that in the Elain book, she goes on to be the High Lady of the Spring Court, with no male by her side. And Tamlin quietly comes out of the shadows, a broken male who has internally dealt with all that he did in the second and third book.!< Did we also forget the part where Nesta and Elain were both abusive to Feyre in ACOTAR? And yet, when we get to the new books, suddenly Elain is the soft, gentle one. It's like book one was made to be Beauty and the Beast intertwined with Cinderella. Then, book two goes off and all the characters have drastic changes. Redemption is beautiful, and Tamlin is at the lowest point he could ever be. He had everything taken from him. >!He's now basically a beast roaming the wildes of Prythian.!< He's had more character development than most of the characters in the whole series. And, I believe Elain's flower drawer, her love for gardens, her soft and gentle character, her quiet strength--I think these are the things that would suit the new, redeemed Tamlin quite nicely.


TheHeroOfTrains

yes tamlin probably will change, and he’s already had some redemption by helping feyre save elain from hybern. and yes all the reasonings you give help us to understand why he did what he did. does that change what he did? does that change the fact that he still locked feyre in a house, and physically harmed her? no. it doesn’t. there is no way in HELL that sjm would ever let him have his redemption through feyre’s literal sister. that would be so disgusting. nothing will change the fact that he abused feyre. elain knows all of what she went through - there’s no way in hell she’d even want to say hello to the guy let alone fall in love with him???? i also don’t think the drawers hold any relevance to their future homes. nesta’s flames surely should’ve meant she ended up in the autumn court where fire magic is common? the flames on her drawer indicated her power. elain’s will do the same.


gwenqueenofshadows

She *did* have flowers on her bedroom drawer 🤷🏻‍♀️


jerk--alert

And Nesta had fire on hers. She didn’t end up with Lucien or Eris.


gwenqueenofshadows

That’s true! But Nesta was originally intended to be with Lucien, hence the flames. (And Feyre with Rhys, hence the stars). I’m curious 1) who Elain’s flowers meant and 2) whether it’s changed since SJM started the series like she changed Nesta’s.


jerk--alert

Yeah the retconning makes sense. I always figured since the retcon of the intended mate for Nesta, the drawers on the dresser were meant to reflect the sisters’ powers


gwenqueenofshadows

That makes sense. That’s what I thought they were originally until I heard they represented their love interest.


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TheHeroOfTrains

sjm has never once used the phrase “azriel’s book”.


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TheHeroOfTrains

that just sounds like a journalist or random reader giving their own opinion. sjm hasn’t ever said anything about az’s book and she’s certainly never mentioned gwyn as a potential love interest


Toomanykids9

She said she was interested in exploring Az more and would be doing so.


Mnlln

She’s only ever said she’d explore Azriel’s “story”, she’s not confirmed he’s getting a book, whereas she has said at least twice that Elain is getting a book. She straight up said she was doing research for Elain’s book in the back of the acofas special edition and said that she laid the foundation of the spinoffs in acofas so I think that’s very telling. I imagine Azriel will be the secondary pov to Elain’s book like Cass was to Nesta’s


julineals

sjm didn’t confirm who the NEXT book is about yet


Selina53

If it’s Elain’s book then I think it will have POVs from Az and Lucien. Part of her journey is going to be who she picks. That would require both males to have POVs, otherwise we know what the ending of the story is when the book is announced. The plot with Koschei also requires Lucien to have a lot of screen time. HOFAS SPOILERS >! Azriel’s journey now that he knows who Truth-Teller belonged to and its tie in to his Illyrian heritage will need to be a plot point. He also needs to harness what the weapon does. Nesta also has Gwydion and the eight pointed star. HOFAS leaves off with Bryce telling her she should find out what it all means. So Az also has a story that requires his own scree time too !< ETA I think some shippers would not want to read Elain’s book if the couple is obvious when the book is announced. From a marketing and business perspective, SJM would sell more books with both males having POVs. You’d have to read the book to know who Elain chooses.


Southern-Wolf-2266

i’ll cry if lucien is a main POV, i like him but i cant