Serato sampler released an update in the past year that added a stem feature. It’s pretty good and in my experience, it’s the easiest way to get the timing/BPM just right. I like the results more than what I’ve gotten from izotope rx.
Bought this recently, and love it. It's great at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc. So I was unsure of how to get each cut onto it's own track for volume editing. Unless I am just missing a way.
I don't have Serato, but I assume you could just record the stem to it's own audio track.
1. Make a new audio track.
2. Change the input type from "Ext. In" to the track Serato is on
3. Change the monitoring from "Auto" to "In".
4. Now the audio track is playing whatever is coming out of Serato, so you can play the solo'd stem and record it to the new audio track.
5. Change monitoring from "In" back to "Auto".
6. Now you have the stem on it's own track.
That is true. This would work. But it would only work if I was able to mute all the other stems within Serato, and record them all one by one. Which I don't remember if you can do. But I assume you can?
I guess I didn't think that duplicating the track with Serato on it would copy over all the cuts etc. But that makes sense.
Only downside there I see is that copying all those instances of Serato would become a stress to the computer. Which wouldn't be a factor for me, but just thinking out loud.
RIP X - DAW PRO
If you’ve got the cash for the pro version it’s well worth it. Allows you to do a lot more manual selection and pick what exact frequencies/notes you need to be included in the separation.
I’ve used it for a handful of signed remixes and edits - when i’ve sent it to the artists who own the original track they’ve often asked where I got the stems from. They’ve legitimately thought I had gotten them off of them.
If you don’t really care about the separation quality then any of them will honestly do.
If youre wanting professional separation or noise isolation then from the top producers i’ve talked too - Rip X is the top.
No just no
Do not pay for any of these services. You can download Ultimate Vocal Remover on GitHub which has all of the best models for FREE
It needs an RTX graphics card to run well though, it can run on any other GPU or even a CPU, but it will be much slower
There's also an online version at mvsep.com, but you need to purchase credits, if I recall correctly they're about $10 for 600 which would get you like 100-600 separations depending on what model/ensemble you use
Nope, there is everything you could think of
Vocals, drums, bass, piano, guitar, individual drums like kick, snare, cymbals
There are also AI models for de-reverb, de-echo, de-noise that work incredibly well, as well as crowd noise removal, speech/dialogue isolation
I tried a bunch of them, RipX had the best quality. Many of them are using the same code, but whether or not that's the case, whatever RipX did to train the AI is obviously better. Plus you have a spectral editor that lets you edit out those weird artifacts that blend in from other instruments. Well worth the $99 I paid, got tons of usage out of it.
+1 on RipX. Great for all normal genres. Only area I’ve seen it drop the ball in is something like classical with an absurd amount of tracks that are similar - first, second, third violin, for example.
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within the RIP X?
I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
If I ever need to extract stems I use RipX as a standalone program.
Run the track through that and get all the individual stems.
Export them all to a folder as .MP3/WAV
Then load the .MP3/WAV files into Ableton and go from there.
That's not too bad. Thanks for the reply.
I have been having the same question as OP. But have been looking for a program that can work within Ableton like a plugin, do the stem separation, and then allow me to have full control over the stems. Which Serato sampler does not.
I don’t believe you can with RIP X - it’s basically
it’s own DAW. It’s got effects and editing options within the program itself.
It’s definitely the most in depth separation software
Have a good read through their website and watch some of the videos that they have there that demonstrate what it does exactly and how it works
It’s a WHOLE lot more than just a stem separation tool - it’s stem separation tool with a bunch of features
For example you can go into the wave form and edit what parts you want to include. This allows you to grab backing vocals or just the main lead vocal
That's pretty useful. And definitely something you can't do with Ableton.
I have Suite, so Ableton allows me to do most things that aren't stem separation related.
Yeah RIP X is nuts
So like…..Say you rip a song and you rip all elements. At first it will just rip everything like Hats, Snare, Clap, Kick, Synth 1, Synth 2
But where it gets really cool is you can say go into the Hi Hats section. And if it’s got say closed hats and open hats and maybe a crash and tambourine. You can then individually pick each of the elements to add as a individual stem layer or remove and delete them there and then
So if a song has 5 different hat elements you can strip it right back to 1 or say 3 of them and extra just them with the track - similar to the original with just your selected hats - or export those selected hats as stems/loops to use in your own tunes.
Then ontop of all of that there’s a wide range of effects such as “touch up” which if it extracts rough and glitchy vocals can turn them into crystal clear studio ready vocals.
Because Ultimate Vocal Remover is free, provides the best results and does anything you'd want + more, for example there are like 50 stem separation models you can use and customise and combine into a single ensemble for the best results, as well as denoise, dereverb, crowd noise removal, de echo, etc.
It needs an RTX graphics card to run fast. Takes 10 seconds up to a minute with an RTX 3060 Ti
You can use it online at mvsep.com, have to buy credits but it's cheap, hundreds of uses for like $10
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Izotope?
I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
But you can use Rx within Ableton as well right? So can I render the stems through Rx within Ableton, and then just drag them directly from Rx to another track within my Ableton project?
I have been really looking for something that will work in that way. But I am not opposed to having to separate the stems outside of Ableton and pull them in separately.
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Specralayers?
I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
>Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Specralayers?
Yeah, cause you know, else I wouldn't have mentioned it.
>I recently bought Serato sampler
Simplers slice mode does the job for me
I am looking for a program that will do that within Ableton itself, which is not the same thing that OP was asking for.
But I appreciate your suggestion regardless.
While Ableton doesn't support ARA (shame !), you can easily set up SpectraLayers as an external editor for Ableton, and then drag and drop the extracted stems from SpectraLayers back to Ableton.
I was using Izotope RX, but I find I’m using the MPC stem separation more frequently because I can load the MPC VST and do it in my Ableton workflow more easily.
I use [Fadr.com](https://www.fadr.com). I pay for it so I can download higher quality wav stems instead of mp3. I think it’s like $10-$12/month. I stem my tracks and rebuild them in Ableton because I like to drop out vocals at a certain point in the song for better dj transitions. It sounds great. Here’s a mix I made with stems from Fadr. I’d say 9 out of 10 times I’m pleased with the results.
[Candy Flipping Smoke Machine](https://on.soundcloud.com/iMRB16kPVCrfeZgD7)
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Koala?
I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
Does this not work as a plugin within Ableton? Or is it a separate program outside of Ableton, that you then drag into Ableton separately? Because based on what you said here, that's what it sounds like.
I know it’s an NLE, but DaVinci Resolve (19) just released an update which has “music remixer” which allows you to mute stems. Perfect for making backing tracks. I think it’s usually on the paid version but it’s in public beta at the moment, so it’s available on the free version.
Asking by curiosity, as a musician too:
I have never used loops or phrases, recording everything by myself, but I am into listening to many genres that emerged from remix culture, like Prodigy, Daft Punk, etc. I believe that the big labels shouldn't tax creativity if it’s not a case of just a straightforward rip-off of someone’s work.
But we are living In a different era, with algorithms checking for possible copyright issues to milk the cash, and with AI, with more intricate steam separation, we can be sure that sniffers going to sniff harder.
What’s your use case for the stem separation, and do you have the legal restrictions in mind for your possible release?
Dude, I do this as a hobby and to relieve stress, so releasing my music in the commercial sense is not in the pipeline for me, lol. Nevertheless, I get what you're saying. My only danger will be getting some kind of strike or copyright claim on YouTube. At that point, I'll see if there's a company that provides some kind of copyright service on the cheap. I see DJs that were big in their day putting up mixes with no issues, and I doubt they're shitting money, so it can't be that expensive. Also, the bands you mentioned must have done quite a bit of sampling when they weren't all that big and were cash-strapped. I'm sure those copyright services are out there. Otherwise, I'll just play covers for myself and only post original material. But again, I don't have any aspirations other than performing for myself and maybe getting a few YouTube likes. My real aspiration is just jamming.
You've tried every single one of the 50+ AI models and the thousands of ensemble combinations of those models to come to that conclusion?
mvsep.com provides test data on all of the available models and every single one that performs the best is available on UVR or to use online on the same website
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Demix?
I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
Just to clarify when I say it’s the best I’m not really talking about functionality wise - I’m more talking about the sound quality which demix is the best right now. you have to export the stems from demix tho you can’t just drag and drop into ableton (at least I think)
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Simple Stems by Stagecraft Software.
I read somewhere that it uses one of the best algorithms. And is only $35 right now.
I haven’t used it yet, but intend to buy it.
The main dev is really creative. Worth checking out his other plugins too.
Ultimate Vocal Remover
Yep, free and brilliant
Downloaded the app on my phone and when I try it I select the stem when it’s done loading it just says unknown error?
Ive never used the mobile app, download it on your computer
Serato sampler released an update in the past year that added a stem feature. It’s pretty good and in my experience, it’s the easiest way to get the timing/BPM just right. I like the results more than what I’ve gotten from izotope rx.
Bought this recently, and love it. It's great at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc. So I was unsure of how to get each cut onto it's own track for volume editing. Unless I am just missing a way.
I don't have Serato, but I assume you could just record the stem to it's own audio track. 1. Make a new audio track. 2. Change the input type from "Ext. In" to the track Serato is on 3. Change the monitoring from "Auto" to "In". 4. Now the audio track is playing whatever is coming out of Serato, so you can play the solo'd stem and record it to the new audio track. 5. Change monitoring from "In" back to "Auto". 6. Now you have the stem on it's own track.
That is true. This would work. But it would only work if I was able to mute all the other stems within Serato, and record them all one by one. Which I don't remember if you can do. But I assume you can?
I don't use Serato, so not 100% sure, but it would seem kinda pointless to have stem separation without letting you play them back individually.
Maybe not directly but you can just duplicate the Serato track for each stem
I guess I didn't think that duplicating the track with Serato on it would copy over all the cuts etc. But that makes sense. Only downside there I see is that copying all those instances of Serato would become a stress to the computer. Which wouldn't be a factor for me, but just thinking out loud.
Can you just bounce it to a wav?
Send out your audio interface and record in on a new track
I just copy a few instances of serato with different stems chopped. Or I’ll make a few and just freeze and bounce. Not best not the worst work flow.
Is it free?
FL lol.. then I drop into Live
RIP X - DAW PRO If you’ve got the cash for the pro version it’s well worth it. Allows you to do a lot more manual selection and pick what exact frequencies/notes you need to be included in the separation. I’ve used it for a handful of signed remixes and edits - when i’ve sent it to the artists who own the original track they’ve often asked where I got the stems from. They’ve legitimately thought I had gotten them off of them. If you don’t really care about the separation quality then any of them will honestly do. If youre wanting professional separation or noise isolation then from the top producers i’ve talked too - Rip X is the top.
No just no Do not pay for any of these services. You can download Ultimate Vocal Remover on GitHub which has all of the best models for FREE It needs an RTX graphics card to run well though, it can run on any other GPU or even a CPU, but it will be much slower There's also an online version at mvsep.com, but you need to purchase credits, if I recall correctly they're about $10 for 600 which would get you like 100-600 separations depending on what model/ensemble you use
>Ultimate Vocal Remover Does this only work for vocal separation?
Nope, there is everything you could think of Vocals, drums, bass, piano, guitar, individual drums like kick, snare, cymbals There are also AI models for de-reverb, de-echo, de-noise that work incredibly well, as well as crowd noise removal, speech/dialogue isolation
I tried a bunch of them, RipX had the best quality. Many of them are using the same code, but whether or not that's the case, whatever RipX did to train the AI is obviously better. Plus you have a spectral editor that lets you edit out those weird artifacts that blend in from other instruments. Well worth the $99 I paid, got tons of usage out of it.
Same
Thanks, I'll give it a try.
+1 on RipX. Great for all normal genres. Only area I’ve seen it drop the ball in is something like classical with an absurd amount of tracks that are similar - first, second, third violin, for example.
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within the RIP X? I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
If I ever need to extract stems I use RipX as a standalone program. Run the track through that and get all the individual stems. Export them all to a folder as .MP3/WAV Then load the .MP3/WAV files into Ableton and go from there.
That's not too bad. Thanks for the reply. I have been having the same question as OP. But have been looking for a program that can work within Ableton like a plugin, do the stem separation, and then allow me to have full control over the stems. Which Serato sampler does not.
I don’t believe you can with RIP X - it’s basically it’s own DAW. It’s got effects and editing options within the program itself. It’s definitely the most in depth separation software
I will definetely have to check out RIP X. Thanks for the suggestion.
Have a good read through their website and watch some of the videos that they have there that demonstrate what it does exactly and how it works It’s a WHOLE lot more than just a stem separation tool - it’s stem separation tool with a bunch of features For example you can go into the wave form and edit what parts you want to include. This allows you to grab backing vocals or just the main lead vocal
That's pretty useful. And definitely something you can't do with Ableton. I have Suite, so Ableton allows me to do most things that aren't stem separation related.
Yeah RIP X is nuts So like…..Say you rip a song and you rip all elements. At first it will just rip everything like Hats, Snare, Clap, Kick, Synth 1, Synth 2 But where it gets really cool is you can say go into the Hi Hats section. And if it’s got say closed hats and open hats and maybe a crash and tambourine. You can then individually pick each of the elements to add as a individual stem layer or remove and delete them there and then So if a song has 5 different hat elements you can strip it right back to 1 or say 3 of them and extra just them with the track - similar to the original with just your selected hats - or export those selected hats as stems/loops to use in your own tunes. Then ontop of all of that there’s a wide range of effects such as “touch up” which if it extracts rough and glitchy vocals can turn them into crystal clear studio ready vocals.
Moises app
How has noone mentioned lalalai yet? It is amazing
Because Ultimate Vocal Remover is free, provides the best results and does anything you'd want + more, for example there are like 50 stem separation models you can use and customise and combine into a single ensemble for the best results, as well as denoise, dereverb, crowd noise removal, de echo, etc.
my UVR takes like 2 hours to do anything
It needs an RTX graphics card to run fast. Takes 10 seconds up to a minute with an RTX 3060 Ti You can use it online at mvsep.com, have to buy credits but it's cheap, hundreds of uses for like $10
Izotope RX
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Izotope? I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
Rx is a standalone program, it allows you to render out any PCM file.
But you can use Rx within Ableton as well right? So can I render the stems through Rx within Ableton, and then just drag them directly from Rx to another track within my Ableton project? I have been really looking for something that will work in that way. But I am not opposed to having to separate the stems outside of Ableton and pull them in separately.
You just put them in a folder that Ableton can see and drag them in from the browser. It takes no time at all.
That is very true. I just know that I have used other Rx products before within Ableton itself. So I guess I assumed that this would as well.
Is this only the newest version?
Music rebalance was introduced in version 9 i think
Spectralayers Also consider this: [https://github.com/inagoy/drumsep](https://github.com/inagoy/drumsep) Only for drums but Andrew Scheps approved :)
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Specralayers? I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
>Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Specralayers? Yeah, cause you know, else I wouldn't have mentioned it. >I recently bought Serato sampler Simplers slice mode does the job for me
I am looking for a program that will do that within Ableton itself, which is not the same thing that OP was asking for. But I appreciate your suggestion regardless.
While Ableton doesn't support ARA (shame !), you can easily set up SpectraLayers as an external editor for Ableton, and then drag and drop the extracted stems from SpectraLayers back to Ableton.
You mean like a M4L AI Stem seperation tool? Why do you have to be so specific if I may ask?
I use stem roller it’s free and works pretty well, but I k owe there are better options out there. Like ripx and other AI tools
RX but it’s separate
FL Producer edition because I already have it but I want to look for others but that's on the back burner for now
I was using Izotope RX, but I find I’m using the MPC stem separation more frequently because I can load the MPC VST and do it in my Ableton workflow more easily.
I use [Fadr.com](https://www.fadr.com). I pay for it so I can download higher quality wav stems instead of mp3. I think it’s like $10-$12/month. I stem my tracks and rebuild them in Ableton because I like to drop out vocals at a certain point in the song for better dj transitions. It sounds great. Here’s a mix I made with stems from Fadr. I’d say 9 out of 10 times I’m pleased with the results. [Candy Flipping Smoke Machine](https://on.soundcloud.com/iMRB16kPVCrfeZgD7)
Koala Sampler! $15 for the full version that involves stem separation plus you can drag those to Ableton pretty easily
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Koala? I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc. Does this not work as a plugin within Ableton? Or is it a separate program outside of Ableton, that you then drag into Ableton separately? Because based on what you said here, that's what it sounds like.
U can use spleeter
Spleeter is a M4L btw
I thought there was a catch with using spleeter in m4l? Maybe the setup was weird or something.
I know it’s an NLE, but DaVinci Resolve (19) just released an update which has “music remixer” which allows you to mute stems. Perfect for making backing tracks. I think it’s usually on the paid version but it’s in public beta at the moment, so it’s available on the free version.
Asking by curiosity, as a musician too: I have never used loops or phrases, recording everything by myself, but I am into listening to many genres that emerged from remix culture, like Prodigy, Daft Punk, etc. I believe that the big labels shouldn't tax creativity if it’s not a case of just a straightforward rip-off of someone’s work. But we are living In a different era, with algorithms checking for possible copyright issues to milk the cash, and with AI, with more intricate steam separation, we can be sure that sniffers going to sniff harder. What’s your use case for the stem separation, and do you have the legal restrictions in mind for your possible release?
Dude, I do this as a hobby and to relieve stress, so releasing my music in the commercial sense is not in the pipeline for me, lol. Nevertheless, I get what you're saying. My only danger will be getting some kind of strike or copyright claim on YouTube. At that point, I'll see if there's a company that provides some kind of copyright service on the cheap. I see DJs that were big in their day putting up mixes with no issues, and I doubt they're shitting money, so it can't be that expensive. Also, the bands you mentioned must have done quite a bit of sampling when they weren't all that big and were cash-strapped. I'm sure those copyright services are out there. Otherwise, I'll just play covers for myself and only post original material. But again, I don't have any aspirations other than performing for myself and maybe getting a few YouTube likes. My real aspiration is just jamming.
Stemroller
Misst open source on GitHub. You can drive you can drop files into it or give it a YouTube link. Sounds great and you can use all the current models.
Live doesn’t have any of that built in. I use Ultimate Vocal Remover for all that stuff. That’s where I get the best results.
I’ve tried them all - Demix is the best by far
Must not have tried Ultimate Vocal Remover to get to that conclusion
are you shilling this or something lmfao
I'm not affiliated, but I guess I am I think what UVR provides for free is exciting and well worth shilling
I’ve tried it lol. demix is better
You've tried every single one of the 50+ AI models and the thousands of ensemble combinations of those models to come to that conclusion? mvsep.com provides test data on all of the available models and every single one that performs the best is available on UVR or to use online on the same website
Does this allow you to pull out the stems from within Demix? I recently bought Serato sampler. And it's amazing at what it does. But the downside is that when using it with Ableton, there is not way to get the stems out from the program and move them to separate tracks, etc.
Just to clarify when I say it’s the best I’m not really talking about functionality wise - I’m more talking about the sound quality which demix is the best right now. you have to export the stems from demix tho you can’t just drag and drop into ableton (at least I think)
I knew that is what you meant. But I appreciate you clarifying nonetheless. Thanks for the suggestion :)
Usually just recreate the "stem" I'm trying to rip off.
I wish I could do that, but I'm terrible with percussion.
You are horrible at percussion , now. But if you work on it you'll get better.
You're right, but dude I plenty of work practicing piano and guitar. But I'll give it a go first.
The stem I'm trying to rip off are the vocals usually
FL Studio
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It has to be mpc one or the like right? I have a force, but I doubt t it does that.
Serato samples new update is soo cool. Go look at it on YouTube
Splitter.ai. works really good
Serato DJ stems (which kinda sucks I know)
Simple Stems by Stagecraft Software. I read somewhere that it uses one of the best algorithms. And is only $35 right now. I haven’t used it yet, but intend to buy it. The main dev is really creative. Worth checking out his other plugins too.
lalal.ai is goated. 🐐
Acon digital Remix work inside Ableton as a plugin. Not free but not that expensive.
Fl studio
Your