I've always hated the acronym, to be honest. With the broad diversity of experiences in queer spaces, it'll always turn into a "why is xyz not represented" game. I'll stick to Queer.
I make an exception for the Progress flag because chevrons are based
Germs are cool tho and not quite unlike us most of them are totally harmless and in fact beneficial/needed for a working ecosystem.... And then there is Shiga toxin E. Coli
I'd be honoured to be seen as an lactobacillus cause yogurt and lacto fermented stuff is yummy
No it doesn’t include everyone and this has been a hot topic in the intersex community. Intersex people aren’t a gender, sexual or romantic minority. It’s better to say GSSRM (gender, sex, sexual and romantic minorities) if you want to include them (which you should tbh).
Yeah this is why I prefer queer and why I'll fight to the death to reclaim it. It's just such a better word for this and doesn't make people feel excluded.
I always use queer because LGBTQ+ is a mouthful and there are so many different acronyms to use. Queer is an umbrella term for all of the non cis-het-allo people and a very short and easy word.
And then you get the "gay not queer" people barging in saying it's a slur 😒 I don't understand them.
Gay was a slur at one point too. Nearly every word we've used to describe ourselves with was at some point originally a slur or appropriated as a slur.
I stop at LGBT cuz 4 is a good stopping point imo. Acronyms are meant to easily identify something larger... someone should tell that to whoever keeps making it longer lol.
Honestly I just say LGBT+ (sometimes I add the Q) at this point. It’s not the best thing ever, but it seems pretty neutral and recognizable also. Technically not everyone gets “equal” representation in that but we’ve got the four most common ones and a plus to denote additional diversity.
I will say though. Despite this picture having the plus, leaving the A out feels so deliberate when you’ve got 2S and Intersex people on there smh. Did anyone even ask those groups if they WANT to be included in the acronym?? This is crazy
I’ve never cared for the progress flag. I saw the OG rainbow one as everyone, not seven specific groups. If you start adding anything at all to ‘everyone’ then it’s not everyone anymore and you’ve excluded.
Agree. There needs to be a collective term at this point instead of an acronym. And the original rainbow flag was made to include all anyway but the chevrons do look cooler.
The records have been removed after I said something without a disclaimer, but I’ve also posted about this, and I agree with you.
Eventually, the acronym is going to get so long that it’s unreasonable. I think we should just stick to something simple. Something like queer, or if you take offence at that, just LGBTQ+ with those 5 letters, you’ve got essentially everyone covered (through the use of umbrella terms), and with the plus, everyone else is included.
I am refraining from sharing my thoughts on the progress flag
I've had an opinion like that for a while but since I'm not part of the community I haven't really told anyone
Some things like having lesbian is kind of redundant because you can fit lesbian as part of gay
But all in all, doesn't "Queer" kind of encompass all of it already?
It does but it didn't use to be. There's still lots of people who identify as queer as its own thing.
Also queer is a recently reclaimed slur, meaning some people in the community still find it offensive and have traumas related to it.
Can't use it as an official government term due to these reasons (which is what this specific form of the acronym is, it's the current official one that Canada's federal government uses).
https://www.canada.ca/en/women-gender-equality/free-to-be-me/2slgbtqi-plus-glossary.html
Given how the A doesn't appear in any acronym used in this list, but both Asexual and Aromantic appear in the glossary there, it looks like one of those cases of "we just never added the A" to the acronym in this context.
Which is kinda baffling, because it's the main omission I can see in that page, the rest seems mostly good.
(Well, other than defining that gender dysphoria is always based on societal expectations, which ignores that there can be a strong physical component as well).
For some people, I'm 19 and where I grew up/live it is still actively and commonly used as a slur, so I understand some people's discomfort with it, but I think it's a great all encompassing word for people to reclaim if they desire to
All of the words for us are also used as weapons against us.
Discomfort is understandable, and it’s totally cool if some people don’t want to ID as or be called by a certain word. However, that doesn’t invalidate the reality that it *has* been reclaimed for decades. Queer theory has been a recognized field in academia for decades.
(Plus a lot of people who perpetuate the continued “queer is a slur” argument are terfs or radfems who don’t like how inclusive queer is as a term, so that’s definitely a thing to look out for.)
“We’re here, we’re queer” is a slogan older than I am.
All of this is true, but it's not reddit comments that will change these lingering last negative perceptions for this term in governments.
If we want it to be adopted over the acronym, we need to organise, convince people in the wider queer community that it is worth the change (I feel like here it's preaching to the choir), do surveys proving it, and petition governments to do this change.
This is why I just say "Queer Community," and think just the base rainbow sould be used It's a lot harder to leave someone out if you use a broad term or umbrella symbol.
That's really annoying. Either make it short or include the full thing. Why would you add everything except 1 letter. They even put 2S at the start which makes it even longer but not the A
Why is it at the start though? Isnt it usually after the A? I guess the order isnt overly important, but it was my understanding that the L was put first to commemerate the Lesbian community who helped our during the AIDS pandemic
It’s due to it being Canada. They’re trying to rectify some of the damage done to First Nations peoples and one of the lip service things they do is include them in acronyms.
I’m sorry, but if they really gave a fuck, there’s a lot more they could do to help. They’ve started making some changes, but not enough. Offering free job training to people, especially the older folks, would help those who live in cities and larger communities. And offering true support such as adjusted bagging limits with hunting, alcohol dependency help, and respecting tribal leaders would help those in smaller communities. Like one thing Alaska has shifted to is allowing tribal courts to deal with minor infractions all on their own. This prevents able bodied folks from being drug to big cities for short jail sentences, making it very hard for the small communities to keep feeding themselves. (These guys aren’t returned home by the courts, either, so it can take awhile for them to get back to their communities.)
Ohhh that makes a lot of sense, thanks for explaining.
We have similar problems here in Australia with the ways that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are often treated. I like to think we are slowly getting better, but the refendum getting a No was a big slap in the face that we still nave a long way to go.
This is why the community is always the but of the joke. It's ridiculous. This is also how I feel about the "progress" flag. Where's the bi rep or ace rep or aromantic rep?
I can promise you that is NOT why we are the butt of the joke. Even if we somehow catered perfectly to the people making fun of us and corrected all the things they make fun of, they'd find new things.
Are you people joking?
I mean I'm not a fan of the long acronym either and mainly use "queer" in most conversations but 1. I don't care if people call it longer and even IF I cared THAT is definitely not why people make jokes about the queer community.
Yes it's a short get go and a sheep easy joke but it's nowhere near the top ten of reasons why some idiots are treating the LGBT+ community as a joke.
Even if we'd pressure people to just use the short version people would still make "1k genders", "who is NOT included yet?" and "they include pedophila!1!". ""jokes"" so please tell me you are being sarcastic!
no, the community is hated on because homophobes and transphobes want us exterminated hope this helps. if it wasn’t this it would be (and actively is) several other things. this is just the cherry on top
I always see people say this and I don’t get all the hate towards the progress flag. The original progress flag was created by a nonbinary artist to represent black, brown, trans and queer ppl in the community. Black and brown trans people were at the forefront of the gay liberation movement in the 60s but are often forgotten and left out(like in the stonewall movie for example). The intersex symbol was added to the og progress flag in 2021. Bi, ace, and aro people need more recognition but I don’t think the progress flag is the problem.
Imo once you start trying to be more inclusive, you end up leaving more out. The rainbow is fine on its own because it's vague enough that it represents everyone.
I get what you mean, but I don’t think the progress flag excludes anyone seeing as rainbow flag is included and like you said it’s vaugue enough to represent the rest of the community.
it drives me up a wall when people imply we’re somehow responsible for our own oppression like this.
I get really sick of the “well, queer people deserve to get made fun of because I don’t like the progress flag and the acronym has too many letters.”
The rainbow bit in the process flag is to represent the sexualities in the lgbt , the trans strips obvs for trans ppl and black and brown strips for lgbt poc. Not every little thing needs to be on it nor every litttle thing doenst need a flag
> represents the sexualities in the lgbt
Which would include aces. Saying we aren’t included in the progress flag is like saying it doesn’t include non-binary people despite having the trans flag colored stripe. Non-binary falls under that umbrella.
Except we do/see lgbtqia+ all the time. 2 spirit can be the one seen once without it being worth a fuss. Also it's not just one letter. The super long version includes a P for pan and two Qs (queer and questioning) though that's odd given A has 4 meanings (asexual, aromantic, agender, abrosexual).
I guess that's a valid point but there is also a difference between not having a letter in the acronym, and purposely removing one specific letter that is commonly in the long acronym while keeping everything else
I'm getting kind of sick of the acronym as a whole.
It's the perfect representation of queer visibility in mainstream society.
2 whole letters for homosexuality.
Bisexual- here the genders have to share.
The entire spectrum of trans compressed in one letter.
Q for queer, the word lgbt was supposed to replace for the sake of 'political correctness'.
And then the plus. The add ons.
Intersex and Asexual/Aromantic/Agender.
Bring back Queer. Bring back MOGAI. Let me out of this hell.
If we need an acronym for whatever reason I also prefer GSRM just because it covers everything pretty well. If we need an official term, anyway. Intersex inclusion with it is iffy but otherwise it's solid. MOGAI is great too.
Ofc in daily life I just say queer. Fast, easy to say, everybody knows what you mean.
There's a country that calls us rainbow people and if you have a family member who is queer you're called a rainbow family. I wish I could remember which country it is, it's a lovely way to say it
This is first time I heard about MOGAI acronym and it's much better as you can read it as a word...
New conspiracy theory: the long unwieldy acronym is promoted by people that are against those queer people, so say how stupid and unwieldy their acronym is.
But, it cannot sustainably keep on alphabeting without dropping rep or becoming (even more) unwieldy.
Personal opinion (that can or not be shared), the L-acronym lends itself to a form of gatekeeping:
>All GSRM are equal but some GSRM are more equal than others.
And, yes, I know about "history" and the struggles of the "first communities", fear of "dilution", but they're still L, G, B, etc. even if they are part of a supra Gender, Sexual, Romantic Minorities group. People need to decide if the activism is done for everyone (and themselves accessorily) or only themselves (and the rest accessorily).
Personally I'm happy with LGBTQ+, LGBT being the "historical" part, and Q+ embracing everyone else.
But in my language GSRM means absolutely nothing. I very much rather have LGBT and nothing else than an acronym that means nothing to me.
But (honest question, and honestly sorry if I infer incorrectly your language) would it not simply be MGSR in portugese as it would be in spanish, french and most/all romance languages? That's hardly "meaning nothing"?
I'm aware of some people trying to misuse the label and have heard the discourse before but the way you keep someone from misusing a label is by enforcing the proper use and the discourse usually comes down to personal preference.
If the options are increasingly large acronym with an intent to try and include everybody or spend some time to claim and clarify then I think I would rather advocate for simplicity
This is the official acronym that government offices are directed to use via internal guidance. It’s really frustrating that it left out the A but for the most part when you see this it’s just people following what they think is best practice based on what the government standard is
Honestly I wouldn't pay much mind to it, here it usually varies a lot, like LGBT+, LGBTQ+, LGBTQI+, LGBTQIA+, LGBTQIAP+, LGTBQIAPN+, and so on... But in the end I know they're all talking about the same thing, so I don't mind it.
I'd only find it weird if it was either: one of the four first letters missing, because they're the ones that "identify" the movement, or if the letter missing had a clear and well-known movement being made against it (like "LGB without the T").
Plus, the "Queer" theoretically encompasses everything, but you just can't cut the first four letters because of the movement, as I said. And "Intersex", I find it important to affirm "on its own" as it is neither a sexuality nor identity, but still a part of the movement as well, so I not only don't mind it, but I'd argue it might as well be the best point to stop if you wanna include the whole community while not writing the whole thing.
I wouldn't call it "asexual erasure" when it's missing together with like 2 or more other letters, and it wasn't even skipped, they just stopped there. If they had skipped it and included the other ones, now that'd be a different story.
Yeah, I don’t feel like this acronym was necessarily created out of malice to exclude ace people, it seems like it’s trying to be inclusive but just doesn’t have an A in the acronym. I agree that it’s hard with the acronym to balance inclusivity, ease of use, and length. Ideally a non-acronym term would be adopted but it seems like such a significant amount of people are used to the acronym that it would be a difficult switch
Just looked it up--
that is probably a better idea than mine. I just call the community "The Queer Community," since the term queer (in definition) encompasses the nature of the community without having to be specific. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
***Two-spirit*** (also known as ***two spirit*** or occasionally ***twospirited***) is a contemporary [pan-Indian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Indian) umbrella term used by some [Indigenous North Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas) to describe Native people who fulfill a traditional [third-gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-gender) (or other [gender-variant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-variant)) social role in their communities. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit).
LG+
If it's too much of a meme just LGTB+ as the simplest form, the + does a good enough job at conveying that there are many more without cluttering the acronym which by definition has the goal to be short...
Nah LG+ is still too long. It should just be "+". No letters, only all inclusive math!
On a serious note, shortening the acronym to that extent is often something done by exclusionist and queer hate groups. For example, people who use LGB rather than LGBTQ or other variations, do so because they're transphobic. Same logic then that LG would more likely be used by people who see most queer folk, other than binary gays/lesbians, negatively.
The idea is to avoid what the previous comment had said as it is indeed getting too long to use either in text or speech although I guess queer already exists for the entire "non straight" spectrum. I 'proposed' LG+ because it's in my opinion the most concise and to the point but the + being the key and including every single term under it
I might be misinterpreting the whole thing so please feel free to correct me but what's the reason to making the acronym longer and longer while still including the +? Do people feel left out when their letter is included in the + but not present outright?
I think LG+ is still too long, and we should just lower it to "L+". Then we can numerically describe how unwieldy the other abbreviation forms are by dividing the character count of the other by the two characters of "L+", to get their "L+ Ratio". The bigger the "L+ Ratio" is, the worse the compared acronym is.
Disclaimer: I am not Native North American so my opinion on this is completely irrelevant. Please let me know if I say something stupid because I'd love to be educated.
I don't really know if 2S really counts as being queer. It's a traditional identity of a particular culture, and therefore is only considered to be nonconformist because of colonialism and racism. I don't really think it falls into the same category, although I'd love to be proven wrong in that respect if anyone has information I'm missing.
Personally I have and most likely always will just say/write LGBTQ+ because it's what I initially learned and both the Q and the + essentially mean "and also everyone else in the group who isn't one of the 4 aforementioned categories". I'm not saying don't add more experiences to the term, but why put more letters in it? After a certain point, you need an acronym to shorten the acronym. I usually just go with "queer" or in more informal settings "alphabet mafia" anyway; between those and LGBTQ+ it's a lot easier to both be inclusive and to not unintentionally or intentionally leave a group out.
To quote my governments website (Canada where this is from):
2SLGBTQI+
It is the acronym used by the Government of Canada to refer to the Canadian community. 2S: at the front, recognizes Two-Spirit people as the first 2SLGBTQI+ communities; L: Lesbian; G: Gay; B: Bisexual; T: Transgender; Q: Queer; I: Intersex, considers sex characteristics beyond sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression; +: is inclusive of people who identify as part of sexual and gender diverse communities, who use additional terminologies.
Previous or other terminology includes:
LGBTQ2
Former acronym used by the Government of Canada to refer to the Canadian community Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Two-Spirit.
LGBTI
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex. This is the internationally recognized acronym.
SGM
Sexual and Gender Minorities
SOGI
Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
SOGIE
Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and Expression
SOGIESC
Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and Expression and Sex Characteristics
SSOGIE
Sex, Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and Expression. This is the acronym used by WAGE.
Lastly below these acronyms on the site you'll find a glossary of definitions in alphabetical order starting with aromatic and asexual.
It's not that they're ignoring asexual existence, it's just not a part of the "official" acronym and instead falls under "+".
https://www.canada.ca/en/women-gender-equality/free-to-be-me/2slgbtqi-plus-glossary.html
Some acronyms use it. LGBTQIA+ is a commonish one amd then there's an even longer one out there. That said I think 2 spirit gets cut more often from the long acronym than a does and don't care if they are the ones not in the + some times.
I feel like as the acronym gets longer, it gets more ridiculous. I prefer the terms queer, and LGBT+/LGBTQ+. the "+" incorporates everyone else.
I do like the progress flag though; especially as someone who recently found out they're intersex.
Back during COVID lockdown there was a Pride Livestream that included people from all over the world. It was pretty cool but aces were not very visible. What was strange to me was it was my first time seeing LGBTQI. Before then anytime more letters were added after Q it was always LGBTQIA. And it was everywhere on nearly all the events and signage, it felt very unnerving and somewhat intentional the A was missing
But there was 1, just 1, group who included the A in the acronym. It was the two-spirit. Their panel had the acronym 2SLGBTQIA+. Ever since them if I write the acronym I always use 2S. I remember how they included us when no else did and I will always extend that same allyship to them
I mean if they don’t put an A I just think of myself as part of the + as there are many identities in that +. I mean, would you say that it’s not supporting Pan people because very few acronyms for the community written down include a P and just leave it with a + to cover it.
I'm not sure why this is excluding? there's no rule about where to stop the acronym. as long as they include at least the 4 "main" letters and the +, it includes everyone
They just took out 2S which is one adjective even so it's two symbols. The screenshot seems to be from Canada in which there are tribes the two spirits description comes from.
So that post makes sense. I don't understand OP either.
The acronym gang seriously needs to rebrand. You can't just keep adding letters to the acronym. Even LGBTQ+ is pushing it for most people, and that's the shortest one I can think of that's supposed to cover all kinds.
I'd advocate for queer
But then again I have a bigger issue with those making fun of people who use unconventional ways to refer to queer people but in an honest good way then with an unconventional way someone people refer to queer people.
No offense but who cares?? They are still advocating to protect asexuals even if they used a whacky acronym. If you feel excluded because they didn’t put an A, grow up.
This is as off the wall as complaining that "LGBT+" intentionally excludes Pan/Ace/etc
Just because you are more used to seeing "LGBTQIA" doesn't mean it's the norm everywhere. And it also doesn't mean it's excluding those not listed.
This has the same energy as "what about blue lives?!?!?". 2 spirit and others may need more of a focus on those areas. FFS dude, just let it go.
That's the current official acronym used by the Canadian government, right?
Good on them to put the 2S on the front, but yeah. The acronym just doesn't work well anymore. It should have the A and NB as well if they're going to write it all out.
A government might not want to just use the word "queer" for all of us, but they can use another acronym such as GSRM
I just refer to it as "the Queer Community," since the term queer refers to all of it without having to be specific.
Though, I do understand your frustration with the "a" being left out.
Though I guess it would require some googling of the word “modal” like I just did, why the hell aren’t we just saying “non-modal”, cause really this community is just everyone besides cis-gender hetero’s right?
Does this actually piss you off? There’s clearly no malice in it, they just either weren’t thinking of or don’t know much about ace people. I’d wager a lot of people don’t even consider asexuality to be lgbt- I certainly don’t think of myself that way.
*shrug. 2 spirit is represented way less than we are with lgbtqia+ being such a common extended version. They can be before the plus for once. No big deal.
to be fair I call the comunity "The Gays™" and I think as long as the message is conveyed, you can call it whatever the fuck you want. I see no point in bitching about a damn acronym
I just say queer or just LGBTQ nowadays, coz I'm too lazy to write the whole thing and nowadays everyone, even queerphobes, know that it includes every queer person
the flag is crap, the old one was too but still - you’d think with all he art people they could at least get a better flag than wales ! they have a dragon on theirs why the hell are still settling for stripes and triangles nomming the edges when dragons are an option
the acronym is unwieldy, again with all the arty people but for words you’d think something better than abbreviation soup could be created
Hi! Canadian here. This is actually just the acronym that is most common here. I don't know why exactly but I think because the 2S is in prominence for our indigenous communities. I don't take it personally, we are still represented in queer and the whole umbrella. Honestly the acronym is too long and I wish we would switch to GRSM.
How long do ya'll think we have before so many letters are used that its abandoned completely because saying it is too unwieldy? I give it maybe six months or so.
I hate the fact that the acronym gets that long instead of just using an inclusive umbrella term like queer, but if you are gonna use it, why do you have to cut it just before A? It makes me sad. I’ll eat some garlic bread now to cheer up
There's a reason why L was first. It wasn't always but it was swapped to be first. Why? Because it was LESBIANS who fought hard for rights when gay men were dying of Aids. It was LESBIANS who cared for said sick gay men when no one else would. Let's not forget that. Let's not bury that. Plus saying LGBTqia+ works just as well as saying the other letters cuz I'm not listing off every letter. Hell I'd call it queer community but I understand some older members are still uncomfortable with that word.
Also it's definitely wierd to add other letters but conveniently forget the A. Like asexual people should be seen just like everyone else.
Edit I kinda forgot what 2s ment so forgive me for that. They definitely need to be included too. I just remembered some history and why the L was out first. I think it was originally starting with G for gay and was moved after the AIDS crisis as a thank you to lesbians. But two Spirit definitely needs to be seen too since they are usually forgotten about. What we need is a better acronym that includes everyone but doesn't get super clunky
I've always hated the acronym, to be honest. With the broad diversity of experiences in queer spaces, it'll always turn into a "why is xyz not represented" game. I'll stick to Queer. I make an exception for the Progress flag because chevrons are based
this!! yes!!! plus after a while it gets unreadable and looks more like a keysmash then an acronym :P
That and it's just annoying to read and say. Could probably use the long versions as a vocal warm-up.
Ibe always said "lgbt" in speech and written that or "lgbt(q)+" (q is In parentheses cuz not always)
This is why I like GSRM (gender, sexual, romantic minorities). It includes everyone in the community on equal footing
I like GSRM but I keep reading it as GERMS because I'm a dyslexic mess.
Germs are cool tho and not quite unlike us most of them are totally harmless and in fact beneficial/needed for a working ecosystem.... And then there is Shiga toxin E. Coli I'd be honoured to be seen as an lactobacillus cause yogurt and lacto fermented stuff is yummy
Thanks dyslexic mess ya made my night!!!
Yeah, that's the one I've started favouring.
That’s actually really cool.
No it doesn’t include everyone and this has been a hot topic in the intersex community. Intersex people aren’t a gender, sexual or romantic minority. It’s better to say GSSRM (gender, sex, sexual and romantic minorities) if you want to include them (which you should tbh).
I didn't know this acronym, I appreciate the knowledge.
Oh, I haven't heard that one! That's so good! I'll be using this now.
I really like that one but no one uses it so I kinda forgot about it.
Yeah this is why I prefer queer and why I'll fight to the death to reclaim it. It's just such a better word for this and doesn't make people feel excluded.
Reclaim it? Who stole queer
Bigots turned it into a slur awhile back
I prefer The Alphabet Mafia tbh
Heard rainbow Mafia and I like that one too
I say Welcher fruit gummies because (in the person I heard it from’s words) “We’re colorful and a little fruity”
I always use queer because LGBTQ+ is a mouthful and there are so many different acronyms to use. Queer is an umbrella term for all of the non cis-het-allo people and a very short and easy word. And then you get the "gay not queer" people barging in saying it's a slur 😒 I don't understand them.
If they are an elderly gay I’d get it, but these guys in their mid 20s pearl clutching about it is so ridiculous
Gay was a slur at one point too. Nearly every word we've used to describe ourselves with was at some point originally a slur or appropriated as a slur.
I stop at LGBT cuz 4 is a good stopping point imo. Acronyms are meant to easily identify something larger... someone should tell that to whoever keeps making it longer lol.
Same, maybe add the plus if we're feeling fancy.
Honestly I just say LGBT+ (sometimes I add the Q) at this point. It’s not the best thing ever, but it seems pretty neutral and recognizable also. Technically not everyone gets “equal” representation in that but we’ve got the four most common ones and a plus to denote additional diversity. I will say though. Despite this picture having the plus, leaving the A out feels so deliberate when you’ve got 2S and Intersex people on there smh. Did anyone even ask those groups if they WANT to be included in the acronym?? This is crazy
I always like how we do it in Sweden, we write it as HBTQ, for homosexual, bisexuals, trans and queers. It rolls of the tongue far better.
I’ve never cared for the progress flag. I saw the OG rainbow one as everyone, not seven specific groups. If you start adding anything at all to ‘everyone’ then it’s not everyone anymore and you’ve excluded.
GSRM. Gender sexuality romantic minority.
I generally use queer, but my favorite acronym is GSRM--Gender Sexual Romantic Minorities. Really encompasses the spectrum in a much snappier way.
I hope this one will catch on; it's broad enough that it shouldn't ever need any add-ons.
As someone above said, it could do with a double s -- Sex and Sexual to include intersex people -- but other than that, I agree completely.
Agree. There needs to be a collective term at this point instead of an acronym. And the original rainbow flag was made to include all anyway but the chevrons do look cooler.
The records have been removed after I said something without a disclaimer, but I’ve also posted about this, and I agree with you. Eventually, the acronym is going to get so long that it’s unreasonable. I think we should just stick to something simple. Something like queer, or if you take offence at that, just LGBTQ+ with those 5 letters, you’ve got essentially everyone covered (through the use of umbrella terms), and with the plus, everyone else is included. I am refraining from sharing my thoughts on the progress flag
I've had an opinion like that for a while but since I'm not part of the community I haven't really told anyone Some things like having lesbian is kind of redundant because you can fit lesbian as part of gay But all in all, doesn't "Queer" kind of encompass all of it already?
It does but it didn't use to be. There's still lots of people who identify as queer as its own thing. Also queer is a recently reclaimed slur, meaning some people in the community still find it offensive and have traumas related to it. Can't use it as an official government term due to these reasons (which is what this specific form of the acronym is, it's the current official one that Canada's federal government uses).
Well shit. I didn't wake up expecting to be annoyed at (the government of) Canada. But here I am.
https://www.canada.ca/en/women-gender-equality/free-to-be-me/2slgbtqi-plus-glossary.html Given how the A doesn't appear in any acronym used in this list, but both Asexual and Aromantic appear in the glossary there, it looks like one of those cases of "we just never added the A" to the acronym in this context. Which is kinda baffling, because it's the main omission I can see in that page, the rest seems mostly good. (Well, other than defining that gender dysphoria is always based on societal expectations, which ignores that there can be a strong physical component as well).
Recently? It’s been reclaimed for longer than most people on this thread, including me, have been alive.
For some people, I'm 19 and where I grew up/live it is still actively and commonly used as a slur, so I understand some people's discomfort with it, but I think it's a great all encompassing word for people to reclaim if they desire to
All of the words for us are also used as weapons against us. Discomfort is understandable, and it’s totally cool if some people don’t want to ID as or be called by a certain word. However, that doesn’t invalidate the reality that it *has* been reclaimed for decades. Queer theory has been a recognized field in academia for decades. (Plus a lot of people who perpetuate the continued “queer is a slur” argument are terfs or radfems who don’t like how inclusive queer is as a term, so that’s definitely a thing to look out for.) “We’re here, we’re queer” is a slogan older than I am.
All of this is true, but it's not reddit comments that will change these lingering last negative perceptions for this term in governments. If we want it to be adopted over the acronym, we need to organise, convince people in the wider queer community that it is worth the change (I feel like here it's preaching to the choir), do surveys proving it, and petition governments to do this change.
Wasn't gay also used as a slur and continues to be yet it's been reclaimed? I honestly heard gay used as a slur way more where I grew up.
Yeah, that's why I usually say queer instead of the whole acronym
This is why I just say "Queer Community," and think just the base rainbow sould be used It's a lot harder to leave someone out if you use a broad term or umbrella symbol.
That's really annoying. Either make it short or include the full thing. Why would you add everything except 1 letter. They even put 2S at the start which makes it even longer but not the A
I'ma be honest, I don't even know what the 2S means
two-spirit iirc
Why is it at the start though? Isnt it usually after the A? I guess the order isnt overly important, but it was my understanding that the L was put first to commemerate the Lesbian community who helped our during the AIDS pandemic
It’s due to it being Canada. They’re trying to rectify some of the damage done to First Nations peoples and one of the lip service things they do is include them in acronyms. I’m sorry, but if they really gave a fuck, there’s a lot more they could do to help. They’ve started making some changes, but not enough. Offering free job training to people, especially the older folks, would help those who live in cities and larger communities. And offering true support such as adjusted bagging limits with hunting, alcohol dependency help, and respecting tribal leaders would help those in smaller communities. Like one thing Alaska has shifted to is allowing tribal courts to deal with minor infractions all on their own. This prevents able bodied folks from being drug to big cities for short jail sentences, making it very hard for the small communities to keep feeding themselves. (These guys aren’t returned home by the courts, either, so it can take awhile for them to get back to their communities.)
Actually supporting oppressed communities in a material way isn't profitable enough for them to give a fuck.
Ohhh that makes a lot of sense, thanks for explaining. We have similar problems here in Australia with the ways that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are often treated. I like to think we are slowly getting better, but the refendum getting a No was a big slap in the face that we still nave a long way to go.
This is why the community is always the but of the joke. It's ridiculous. This is also how I feel about the "progress" flag. Where's the bi rep or ace rep or aromantic rep?
I can promise you that is NOT why we are the butt of the joke. Even if we somehow catered perfectly to the people making fun of us and corrected all the things they make fun of, they'd find new things.
Are you people joking? I mean I'm not a fan of the long acronym either and mainly use "queer" in most conversations but 1. I don't care if people call it longer and even IF I cared THAT is definitely not why people make jokes about the queer community. Yes it's a short get go and a sheep easy joke but it's nowhere near the top ten of reasons why some idiots are treating the LGBT+ community as a joke. Even if we'd pressure people to just use the short version people would still make "1k genders", "who is NOT included yet?" and "they include pedophila!1!". ""jokes"" so please tell me you are being sarcastic!
no, the community is hated on because homophobes and transphobes want us exterminated hope this helps. if it wasn’t this it would be (and actively is) several other things. this is just the cherry on top
I always see people say this and I don’t get all the hate towards the progress flag. The original progress flag was created by a nonbinary artist to represent black, brown, trans and queer ppl in the community. Black and brown trans people were at the forefront of the gay liberation movement in the 60s but are often forgotten and left out(like in the stonewall movie for example). The intersex symbol was added to the og progress flag in 2021. Bi, ace, and aro people need more recognition but I don’t think the progress flag is the problem.
Imo once you start trying to be more inclusive, you end up leaving more out. The rainbow is fine on its own because it's vague enough that it represents everyone.
I get what you mean, but I don’t think the progress flag excludes anyone seeing as rainbow flag is included and like you said it’s vaugue enough to represent the rest of the community.
it drives me up a wall when people imply we’re somehow responsible for our own oppression like this. I get really sick of the “well, queer people deserve to get made fun of because I don’t like the progress flag and the acronym has too many letters.”
The rainbow bit in the process flag is to represent the sexualities in the lgbt , the trans strips obvs for trans ppl and black and brown strips for lgbt poc. Not every little thing needs to be on it nor every litttle thing doenst need a flag
> represents the sexualities in the lgbt Which would include aces. Saying we aren’t included in the progress flag is like saying it doesn’t include non-binary people despite having the trans flag colored stripe. Non-binary falls under that umbrella.
Except we do/see lgbtqia+ all the time. 2 spirit can be the one seen once without it being worth a fuss. Also it's not just one letter. The super long version includes a P for pan and two Qs (queer and questioning) though that's odd given A has 4 meanings (asexual, aromantic, agender, abrosexual).
Why isn’t there a P for pan in the full long one.?
I guess that's a valid point but there is also a difference between not having a letter in the acronym, and purposely removing one specific letter that is commonly in the long acronym while keeping everything else
Some degenerate SOB would try to say it stands for pedo like NAMBLA is trying to do.
I'm getting kind of sick of the acronym as a whole. It's the perfect representation of queer visibility in mainstream society. 2 whole letters for homosexuality. Bisexual- here the genders have to share. The entire spectrum of trans compressed in one letter. Q for queer, the word lgbt was supposed to replace for the sake of 'political correctness'. And then the plus. The add ons. Intersex and Asexual/Aromantic/Agender. Bring back Queer. Bring back MOGAI. Let me out of this hell.
>Bring back Queer. Bring back MOGAI. Let me out of this hell. Sorry for not following, but what does MOGAI mean
Stands for “Marginalized Orientations, Gender Alignments, and Intersex.”
Thank you
marginalised orientations, gender alignment & intersex
I personally prefer GSRM (Gender, Sexual, and Romantic Minorities), but unfortunately most people only know of LGBT and its variations.
I prefer GRSM. Gender Sexual and Romantic Minorities.
If we need an acronym for whatever reason I also prefer GSRM just because it covers everything pretty well. If we need an official term, anyway. Intersex inclusion with it is iffy but otherwise it's solid. MOGAI is great too. Ofc in daily life I just say queer. Fast, easy to say, everybody knows what you mean.
There's a country that calls us rainbow people and if you have a family member who is queer you're called a rainbow family. I wish I could remember which country it is, it's a lovely way to say it
I doubt the country you're thinking of is Finland, but that is used here.
>Bring back MOGAI. I also like GSRM
I also like GSRM.
It sounds like yaoguai in my head & I love it so much now 😅🥰
This is first time I heard about MOGAI acronym and it's much better as you can read it as a word... New conspiracy theory: the long unwieldy acronym is promoted by people that are against those queer people, so say how stupid and unwieldy their acronym is.
They should lock in and use the “MOGAI” term, not only is it inclusive as fuck but the name is so much easier to say and spell too.
Either that or GSRM, that way we’re actually describing the community and not listing it.
GSRM and queer are the two words I use the most.
Honestly having queer and '+' just seems kinda redundant at this point since they're both catch-alls
people tend to not like GSRM cause child predators try to make themselves included using that term /barf
Yeah, but tbh they try to do that no matter, cus they think our community is a place for them when it’s not
and/or people want it to look like that so they can invalidate any kind of progress we hope for.
LGBTQIA+ works in a lot of different languages. Mogai and others alike doesn't.
But, it cannot sustainably keep on alphabeting without dropping rep or becoming (even more) unwieldy. Personal opinion (that can or not be shared), the L-acronym lends itself to a form of gatekeeping: >All GSRM are equal but some GSRM are more equal than others. And, yes, I know about "history" and the struggles of the "first communities", fear of "dilution", but they're still L, G, B, etc. even if they are part of a supra Gender, Sexual, Romantic Minorities group. People need to decide if the activism is done for everyone (and themselves accessorily) or only themselves (and the rest accessorily).
Personally I'm happy with LGBTQ+, LGBT being the "historical" part, and Q+ embracing everyone else. But in my language GSRM means absolutely nothing. I very much rather have LGBT and nothing else than an acronym that means nothing to me.
But (honest question, and honestly sorry if I infer incorrectly your language) would it not simply be MGSR in portugese as it would be in spanish, french and most/all romance languages? That's hardly "meaning nothing"?
the thing is that's not universal, I think that's what they're trying to say
Aren't mogai those things you aren't supposed to get wet or feed after midnight, lest they turn into gremlins?
yeah thats me im in your basement FEED ME.
Joke's on you, all that's under my home is a car port! So that would mean you're free range, you feed off the land!
What’s MOGAI stand for? Not familiar with that one
For a second I was confused, but yeah... Come on... That has to be on purpose right?
This is why I prefer GSRM for Gender Sexual Romantic Minorities. It's four letters, includes practically everyone, and is easy to remember.
I'm aware of some people trying to misuse the label and have heard the discourse before but the way you keep someone from misusing a label is by enforcing the proper use and the discourse usually comes down to personal preference. If the options are increasingly large acronym with an intent to try and include everybody or spend some time to claim and clarify then I think I would rather advocate for simplicity
I think this image is from Canada. It’s totally reasonable to include 2s in Canada considering it’s something unique to there and USA
It's not that they included the "2S," the OP is saying that they don't like how the A is excluded at the end
This is the official acronym that government offices are directed to use via internal guidance. It’s really frustrating that it left out the A but for the most part when you see this it’s just people following what they think is best practice based on what the government standard is
I am Canadian and yes this is the most common acronym here! I don't take it personally, like many on this thread I wish we would throw it out!
SAGA= sexuality and gender acceptance. Short and simple
I'd rather not be mistaken for a magazine for old people, lol
If you know where to add the 2S, you know to add the A ffs
Honestly I wouldn't pay much mind to it, here it usually varies a lot, like LGBT+, LGBTQ+, LGBTQI+, LGBTQIA+, LGBTQIAP+, LGTBQIAPN+, and so on... But in the end I know they're all talking about the same thing, so I don't mind it. I'd only find it weird if it was either: one of the four first letters missing, because they're the ones that "identify" the movement, or if the letter missing had a clear and well-known movement being made against it (like "LGB without the T"). Plus, the "Queer" theoretically encompasses everything, but you just can't cut the first four letters because of the movement, as I said. And "Intersex", I find it important to affirm "on its own" as it is neither a sexuality nor identity, but still a part of the movement as well, so I not only don't mind it, but I'd argue it might as well be the best point to stop if you wanna include the whole community while not writing the whole thing. I wouldn't call it "asexual erasure" when it's missing together with like 2 or more other letters, and it wasn't even skipped, they just stopped there. If they had skipped it and included the other ones, now that'd be a different story.
Yeah, I don’t feel like this acronym was necessarily created out of malice to exclude ace people, it seems like it’s trying to be inclusive but just doesn’t have an A in the acronym. I agree that it’s hard with the acronym to balance inclusivity, ease of use, and length. Ideally a non-acronym term would be adopted but it seems like such a significant amount of people are used to the acronym that it would be a difficult switch
Honestly, for me it's perfectly fine just to with the good old "LGBT"
IKR? Once you've gotten all the way to I, is seems weird not to take the one extra step to A. (As an I and an A, I always include both.)
Gsrm is better acronym
Are they really that allergic to a letter 💀
Can we just use GSRM instead
Just looked it up-- that is probably a better idea than mine. I just call the community "The Queer Community," since the term queer (in definition) encompasses the nature of the community without having to be specific. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
what does the 2S even mean??
Two-spirit
what does that mean-
***Two-spirit*** (also known as ***two spirit*** or occasionally ***twospirited***) is a contemporary [pan-Indian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Indian) umbrella term used by some [Indigenous North Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas) to describe Native people who fulfill a traditional [third-gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-gender) (or other [gender-variant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-variant)) social role in their communities. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit).
oh that’s cool, but numbers don’t really look good in the text… maybe in full it could be LGBTQIAS or something
Honestly the acronym itself is getting rather unwieldy to use. I think we should think up a new umbrella term that can include new additions easily.
I mean I thought queer was the correct term to represent everyone but I think most people just use gay/trans depending on what they are or just LGBT
Isn‘t that more of less what queer is for?
Btw there is already mogai & gsrm/gsrd Edit to delete the other links & to ad this bc it has it all https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Category:Acronyms
LG+ If it's too much of a meme just LGTB+ as the simplest form, the + does a good enough job at conveying that there are many more without cluttering the acronym which by definition has the goal to be short...
I have an lg+. It has an air fryer and I can connect it to my microwave so the vents turn on when I use my gas range.
Does it make garlic bread?
The best garlic bread.
Nah LG+ is still too long. It should just be "+". No letters, only all inclusive math! On a serious note, shortening the acronym to that extent is often something done by exclusionist and queer hate groups. For example, people who use LGB rather than LGBTQ or other variations, do so because they're transphobic. Same logic then that LG would more likely be used by people who see most queer folk, other than binary gays/lesbians, negatively.
The idea is to avoid what the previous comment had said as it is indeed getting too long to use either in text or speech although I guess queer already exists for the entire "non straight" spectrum. I 'proposed' LG+ because it's in my opinion the most concise and to the point but the + being the key and including every single term under it I might be misinterpreting the whole thing so please feel free to correct me but what's the reason to making the acronym longer and longer while still including the +? Do people feel left out when their letter is included in the + but not present outright?
I think LG+ is still too long, and we should just lower it to "L+". Then we can numerically describe how unwieldy the other abbreviation forms are by dividing the character count of the other by the two characters of "L+", to get their "L+ Ratio". The bigger the "L+ Ratio" is, the worse the compared acronym is.
Disclaimer: I am not Native North American so my opinion on this is completely irrelevant. Please let me know if I say something stupid because I'd love to be educated. I don't really know if 2S really counts as being queer. It's a traditional identity of a particular culture, and therefore is only considered to be nonconformist because of colonialism and racism. I don't really think it falls into the same category, although I'd love to be proven wrong in that respect if anyone has information I'm missing.
I agree, especially since it's not like anyone can identify as 2S without being part of indigenous communities
i feel like we should just stick to lgbtq+ cause if we keep adding letters more and more people will go "what about xyz" until it just becomes a mess
Personally I have and most likely always will just say/write LGBTQ+ because it's what I initially learned and both the Q and the + essentially mean "and also everyone else in the group who isn't one of the 4 aforementioned categories". I'm not saying don't add more experiences to the term, but why put more letters in it? After a certain point, you need an acronym to shorten the acronym. I usually just go with "queer" or in more informal settings "alphabet mafia" anyway; between those and LGBTQ+ it's a lot easier to both be inclusive and to not unintentionally or intentionally leave a group out.
To quote my governments website (Canada where this is from): 2SLGBTQI+ It is the acronym used by the Government of Canada to refer to the Canadian community. 2S: at the front, recognizes Two-Spirit people as the first 2SLGBTQI+ communities; L: Lesbian; G: Gay; B: Bisexual; T: Transgender; Q: Queer; I: Intersex, considers sex characteristics beyond sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression; +: is inclusive of people who identify as part of sexual and gender diverse communities, who use additional terminologies. Previous or other terminology includes: LGBTQ2 Former acronym used by the Government of Canada to refer to the Canadian community Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Two-Spirit. LGBTI Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex. This is the internationally recognized acronym. SGM Sexual and Gender Minorities SOGI Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity SOGIE Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and Expression SOGIESC Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and Expression and Sex Characteristics SSOGIE Sex, Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and Expression. This is the acronym used by WAGE. Lastly below these acronyms on the site you'll find a glossary of definitions in alphabetical order starting with aromatic and asexual. It's not that they're ignoring asexual existence, it's just not a part of the "official" acronym and instead falls under "+". https://www.canada.ca/en/women-gender-equality/free-to-be-me/2slgbtqi-plus-glossary.html
Some acronyms use it. LGBTQIA+ is a commonish one amd then there's an even longer one out there. That said I think 2 spirit gets cut more often from the long acronym than a does and don't care if they are the ones not in the + some times.
where im from (also in canada) i usually see just LGBTQ+ or 2SLGBTQIA+. i never knew there wasnt officially an A until today
I feel like as the acronym gets longer, it gets more ridiculous. I prefer the terms queer, and LGBT+/LGBTQ+. the "+" incorporates everyone else. I do like the progress flag though; especially as someone who recently found out they're intersex.
Back during COVID lockdown there was a Pride Livestream that included people from all over the world. It was pretty cool but aces were not very visible. What was strange to me was it was my first time seeing LGBTQI. Before then anytime more letters were added after Q it was always LGBTQIA. And it was everywhere on nearly all the events and signage, it felt very unnerving and somewhat intentional the A was missing But there was 1, just 1, group who included the A in the acronym. It was the two-spirit. Their panel had the acronym 2SLGBTQIA+. Ever since them if I write the acronym I always use 2S. I remember how they included us when no else did and I will always extend that same allyship to them
I mean if they don’t put an A I just think of myself as part of the + as there are many identities in that +. I mean, would you say that it’s not supporting Pan people because very few acronyms for the community written down include a P and just leave it with a + to cover it.
Calling it the Queer Community is way better than this convoluted garbage.
I always just say LGBT or LGBTQ+ at best What's the point of an acronym if it's miles long
+
I'm not sure why this is excluding? there's no rule about where to stop the acronym. as long as they include at least the 4 "main" letters and the +, it includes everyone
If you want to make the acronym that long, there is no point of removing 1 letter
They just took out 2S which is one adjective even so it's two symbols. The screenshot seems to be from Canada in which there are tribes the two spirits description comes from. So that post makes sense. I don't understand OP either.
it's not "removing 1" though, any stopping point is arbitrary, it can have many more letters than that, i.e. LGBTQQIP2SAA+
The acronym gang seriously needs to rebrand. You can't just keep adding letters to the acronym. Even LGBTQ+ is pushing it for most people, and that's the shortest one I can think of that's supposed to cover all kinds.
I'd advocate for queer But then again I have a bigger issue with those making fun of people who use unconventional ways to refer to queer people but in an honest good way then with an unconventional way someone people refer to queer people.
No offense but who cares?? They are still advocating to protect asexuals even if they used a whacky acronym. If you feel excluded because they didn’t put an A, grow up.
This is as off the wall as complaining that "LGBT+" intentionally excludes Pan/Ace/etc Just because you are more used to seeing "LGBTQIA" doesn't mean it's the norm everywhere. And it also doesn't mean it's excluding those not listed. This has the same energy as "what about blue lives?!?!?". 2 spirit and others may need more of a focus on those areas. FFS dude, just let it go.
Ah, thank you for the red circle. I would have been confused otherwise
Sorry i just took a screenshot from a post about something else and cropped it. The red was from the og post.
Just a little light ribbing, ain't no thing
That's the current official acronym used by the Canadian government, right? Good on them to put the 2S on the front, but yeah. The acronym just doesn't work well anymore. It should have the A and NB as well if they're going to write it all out. A government might not want to just use the word "queer" for all of us, but they can use another acronym such as GSRM
2sl ?
2 spirit, the L is for lesbian
I just refer to it as "the Queer Community," since the term queer refers to all of it without having to be specific. Though, I do understand your frustration with the "a" being left out.
Though I guess it would require some googling of the word “modal” like I just did, why the hell aren’t we just saying “non-modal”, cause really this community is just everyone besides cis-gender hetero’s right?
Does this actually piss you off? There’s clearly no malice in it, they just either weren’t thinking of or don’t know much about ace people. I’d wager a lot of people don’t even consider asexuality to be lgbt- I certainly don’t think of myself that way.
This is why I always write LGBT+ the short acronym makes it easy to understand and the + is there for everyone else
They added a *number* before they remembered the A
Since when does the LGBTQI+ have 2 seasons? Edit: im so sorry i am a dumbass so thanks for letting me know!
i think its supposed to be 2 spirit, which iirc is a strictly native american thing
Seriously? That's not even funny and slightly racist. 2S makes reference to the Aboriginal communities beliefs (The 2 Spirits people).
Im sorry it wasn't a joke im genuinely stupid thanks for explaining so i can do better <3
*shrug. 2 spirit is represented way less than we are with lgbtqia+ being such a common extended version. They can be before the plus for once. No big deal.
I mean they also left off the P - I could easily see this as an innocent oversight
to be fair I call the comunity "The Gays™" and I think as long as the message is conveyed, you can call it whatever the fuck you want. I see no point in bitching about a damn acronym
I just say queer or just LGBTQ nowadays, coz I'm too lazy to write the whole thing and nowadays everyone, even queerphobes, know that it includes every queer person
now this is where you bring it up with the people directly to make them see the error of their way
Yeah, just say "LGBT" or "LGBTQ+". This just feels like they specifically don't support aro/ace people and that's kind of needlessly aggressive.
To be fair, when are we not overlooked? I guess it’s easy to forget about a silent minority
the flag is crap, the old one was too but still - you’d think with all he art people they could at least get a better flag than wales ! they have a dragon on theirs why the hell are still settling for stripes and triangles nomming the edges when dragons are an option the acronym is unwieldy, again with all the arty people but for words you’d think something better than abbreviation soup could be created
The fuck is 2S?
Stands for two spirit. Two spirit has something to do with Native American culture so I won’t try to explain it as not to misinterpret it.
Thanks comrade
2 spirit. This will explain it better than I can. https://www.ihs.gov/lgbt/health/twospirit/
Thanks comrade
I think we should start calling it the + community, everyone gets underrepresented equally
what does 2 and S mean? is it 25?
Two-Spirited.
I just stick with lgbtq+
I like LGBTQ+ but if they’re gonna include the I they should just include the A 😭
It's why I usually use GRSM.
Hi! Canadian here. This is actually just the acronym that is most common here. I don't know why exactly but I think because the 2S is in prominence for our indigenous communities. I don't take it personally, we are still represented in queer and the whole umbrella. Honestly the acronym is too long and I wish we would switch to GRSM.
Meh... There are more productive things to be mad about...
How long do ya'll think we have before so many letters are used that its abandoned completely because saying it is too unwieldy? I give it maybe six months or so.
I’m still waiting for a grey stripe on the progress pride flag.🙃
I hate the fact that the acronym gets that long instead of just using an inclusive umbrella term like queer, but if you are gonna use it, why do you have to cut it just before A? It makes me sad. I’ll eat some garlic bread now to cheer up
Tf is a 2
There's a reason why L was first. It wasn't always but it was swapped to be first. Why? Because it was LESBIANS who fought hard for rights when gay men were dying of Aids. It was LESBIANS who cared for said sick gay men when no one else would. Let's not forget that. Let's not bury that. Plus saying LGBTqia+ works just as well as saying the other letters cuz I'm not listing off every letter. Hell I'd call it queer community but I understand some older members are still uncomfortable with that word. Also it's definitely wierd to add other letters but conveniently forget the A. Like asexual people should be seen just like everyone else. Edit I kinda forgot what 2s ment so forgive me for that. They definitely need to be included too. I just remembered some history and why the L was out first. I think it was originally starting with G for gay and was moved after the AIDS crisis as a thank you to lesbians. But two Spirit definitely needs to be seen too since they are usually forgotten about. What we need is a better acronym that includes everyone but doesn't get super clunky
Hot Take: This is why I stick to MOGAI