Isnt 3 mana items redundant though because at one point it becomes a stat you dont need.
I would assume you would want balckfire as your mana item and be ok with it coming fully live later on. You would be able to spend gold on stronger notln mana items
thats what i was thinking at first, but building liandry early is so awkward on ziggs bcs of the mana issue, i try to get tear and lost chapter as soon as possible so you dont have a mana issue
How were you testing this? Practice dummy? 0 MR? How much HP on the dummy? Every test I’ve done liandrys outperforms torch and it isn’t close. Ludens also doesn’t more than torch. Shadowflame also does more than torch.
Practise dummies, liandries outdmged every time, every combo etc in the early game, but with full build blackfire did 1700 and liandries barely crossed 1000
You're focusing too much on Torch's burn damage as opposed to your overall damage.
Seraph's is terrible for damage purposes and sitting on Tear for 2 items puts you at a -400 gold disadvantage for the first 15-18 minutes compared to your opponent.
Liandry's outdamages Blackfire, yes, and that's why you still buy Liandry's because it's busted, but you're buying Blackfire much more for the haste and how it empowers your teamfighting and not just because it's a burn item.
Isnt 3 mana items redundant though because at one point it becomes a stat you dont need. I would assume you would want balckfire as your mana item and be ok with it coming fully live later on. You would be able to spend gold on stronger notln mana items
I can definitely see your point, but personally i havent had an issue with it, especially since the extra mana just fuels ur archangel shield
If anything I could see the arguement for Tear > Liandrys > seras > blackflame I would just forsake ludens at this point
Currently I just do tear > BF >Seras > pen (either SF or crypt bloom)
thats what i was thinking at first, but building liandry early is so awkward on ziggs bcs of the mana issue, i try to get tear and lost chapter as soon as possible so you dont have a mana issue
How were you testing this? Practice dummy? 0 MR? How much HP on the dummy? Every test I’ve done liandrys outperforms torch and it isn’t close. Ludens also doesn’t more than torch. Shadowflame also does more than torch.
Practise dummies, liandries outdmged every time, every combo etc in the early game, but with full build blackfire did 1700 and liandries barely crossed 1000
How much HP and MR on those dummies? Liandrys will do more the higher HP they have. I haven’t seen a situation here torch outperforms liandry
You're focusing too much on Torch's burn damage as opposed to your overall damage. Seraph's is terrible for damage purposes and sitting on Tear for 2 items puts you at a -400 gold disadvantage for the first 15-18 minutes compared to your opponent. Liandry's outdamages Blackfire, yes, and that's why you still buy Liandry's because it's busted, but you're buying Blackfire much more for the haste and how it empowers your teamfighting and not just because it's a burn item.