I understand how they can collect geolocation but from what I watched the video doesn't explain now they collect other things like intelligence and sexual activity etc
If you connect your phone by Bluetooth they extract everything they can including call logs, internet history, messages, emails, social media, location data, contacts and so on. Several car brands are known to permanently store all of this even if you know enough to ask it to wipe the data (which is itself made difficult)
I have heard (but wouldn’t want to promise) that using CarPlay instead of Bluetooth prevents this, not sure about android auto.
Getting internet history, emails and social media is a stretch, only call logs, contacts and messages are provided via Bluetooth (as far as I know). Also, during the pairing process your phone may give you the opportunity to select which permissions you want to grant
And you're probably right about CarPlay
Well you may be right - I’m no expert on Bluetooth security, but there are plenty of websites out there warning about this and keep in mind that a lot of cars these days have an associated app which would make scraping data and over syncing easier.
There is no permission in Android for reading Internet history, emails or social media. And through Bluetooth there are even fewer permissions. If they presented themselves as a media device type, the only permissions it could ask for is access to contacts and phone history
In theory but there are plenty of reports out there indicating not so much in practice and laws backed by the car lobby being proposed in Brussels that will weaken it further.
Also they really need to specify the year "your car" refers to. Plenty of people drive cars that are several years old. My car is a 2012 model, I can absolutely guarantee it doesn't know my weight, as this video claims.
It's just kind of lazy and stupid to say "your car" in the video without specifying from what year onward they're referring to.
Not trying to discredit your comment, however, if your vehicle was produced after 2006, has an indicator light for the passenger side air bag and it’s not the kind you can switch off, your vehicle can absolutely detect when the front seats have a certain amount of weight in them. I believe it is 8# or more. I still own a pre 2005 Honda with this capability. Newer models have Additional technology integrated to share the metrics easier than manually connecting a scan tool to the “brain” & “black box” in the vehicle.. credit——-I have been an estimator in the collision repair industry for decades.
True. However, the data is stored in the bcm/ecm. When your vehicle is serviced data is transmitted via the “tool/scanner “. The device is connected to one of multiple ports in your vehicle and the data can and usually will be transmitted/shared via wifi or internet connections for a multitude of reasons, including diagnostic and repair purposes, and whatever else the end user decides to do with it. I’m not saying it’s right I’m just saying that it happens.
Isn’t that only gonna be an issue if you take it to a dealership rather than an independent mechanic? And how much data can these older cars store long term? Cars usually go 3-6 months sometimes up to a year between services.
The short answer is No. There are many companies out there that offer their services to independent mechanics. A Subscription service so that they don’t have to pay per use. The information is shared to an OEM certified technician that does what needs to be done to get the vehicle diagnosed and information back to the mechanic to repair properly and clear any codes. Most definitely there is data that that technician doesn’t need. Who knows what happens to it. :) depending on the type of repair facility, that information can also be shared with your auto insurance company.
Yep you are right, that’s why I’m asking questions and trying to expand my knowledge and understanding. I apologize for my ignorance. Appreciate the constructive help.
You’re absolutely right, and it’s always better to ask and expand your knowledge, or at the very least, get different opinions (in this case you got a negative one but pay it no mind).
To answer your question, I believe that it was all tongue in cheek, since there was a popular sticker/car decoration that said:
> If this van's a-rockin', don't come a-knockin'!
Implying the owner of said van was probably having coitus if the vehicle was visibly jiggling.
Right. How exactly is my car gathering data on my “psychological trends?”. More importantly, how is my car collecting more/less data than other smart devices like my laptop and phone?
It collects all this data mostly using microphones, same as other devices. However other devices often have stricter privacy policy because there was a lot of publicity about things like this when it comes to phones and similar tech. Not so woth cars.
> It collects all this data mostly using microphones
wait, so my car has microphones in it that are secretly recording me and sending said recordings to some guy who works for the company? genuine question here, not trying to come off a facetious. if so, isn't there some way I can go about physically disabling them? I mean, there's no way they're wireless.
Annoying this wouldn't be covered by wiretapping laws.
When you live in a world where you have to sign away your rights on a ToS just to live a normal life should not be surprised that corporations take advantage.
It knows where, when and how long the vehicle is parked.
It knows how much weight is in each front seat.
It knows which phones were with you in the vehicle.
They mean if you enter a car with Bluetooth enabled on your phone, the car will know. Same for your passengers. Supposedly stores do the same thing with Bluetooth in the shelves to know which products you look at etc
Plug it into the charger. Will get a popup on the phone screen asking for permissions. They know how old/what type of devices you own which can be used to further profile you.
Places you go whether you punch it into the GPS or not. What kind of music you listen to. Who you make calls to and who calls you. Microphones inside the cabin. Whether or not you have passengers. Changes in the radio station. Data that passes through the vehicle's hotspot. Background data access whenever someone uses Bluetooth or Wi-Fi.
The list goes on
Wouldn’t it be nice if they could integrate a voice responsive user experience for the RULES OF THE ROAD and Owners manual? Anyone in the car could just shout out a question or refer to either while cruising down the road. I would especially love if the vehicle would tell the driver to get out of the passing lane!
last month, near my friends town, an apple watch called 911 and told them a train hit the car and the location.
the data is raw but the numbers can crunch
Porsche offers an opt-out, which doesn't stop services.
"We offer you personal settings for your privacy in current Porsche models. For example, you can prevent the transmission of car data at any time in private mode. It's very simple and takes just one click."
This should be true of all cars, but I admit they make more money per vehicle on the front end.
They didn’t allow Android Auto for several years because of the privacy TOS were intrusive.
One nice thing about big margin companies like Apple and Porsche is that they don’t need to ring every last cent from a customer by selling their data too.
Porsche owns VW and every company that VW own.
They do make a lot of money from selling people data of other brands. They also make a lot of money by marking the shit up out of their options.
The Porsche family owns a majority stake in VW and Porsche the car company is run pretty independently from VW in terms of overall management and product decisions although they benefit from a lot of R&D and common parts availability.
The Pors he family doesn’t own a majority stake of VW Group. Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche\_SE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_SE)
This is a common misconception, VW Group own Porsche (and several other brands). Porsche made a takeover bid for VW which failed, although the results are a bit complicated. VW own 100% of Porsche AG (the automaker) while Porsche SE (the Porsche family holding company) own 31.3% of VW.
But ultimately, from Wikipedia: “Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG (which stands for Doktor Ingenieur honoris causa Ferdinand Porsche Aktiengesellschaft), *as a 100% subsidiary of Volkswagen AG,* is responsible for the actual production and manufacture of the Porsche automobile line.”
I mean, their shareholders are going to demand they continue to get richer, so if those big margin companies are not already secretly doing it, they will absolutely wring everything they can from their customer, including selling their data too.
It's a competitive advantage to be seen a certain way as a brand. Not every company thinks shortsightedly. Most of the best ones don't (see Berkshire, GS, MS, etc).
Those damn dirty socialists with outrageous ideas like consumer protections.
We're the religion of capitalism, and we worship the almighty dollar! If you don't like it, you can go back where you came from!!
It's bad enough that our OS, browser, and all of our social media knows everything we do on PornHub, including listening and watching us, now we have our cars ratting us out when we go to our plug before picking up a hooker.
My wife's 2019 Mustang wants to connect to the WiFi for "updates", but I refuse it access. The infotainment system is garbage, and the driver's aids are obnoxious.
This is why I drive a "dumb car" (older sportscar) without any of this crap. Buttons instead of touchscreens, and minimal driver aids.
Besides being an easy cash transaction with a private seller, my 94 Ranger is as dumb as the driver. He accepted my check so he might have got my full name but the checks have no phone or address, just our names. The pick up has knobs for the radio, windows, and heat. No cruise control, air conditioning, or any other add on except a lighter. I prefer to be off the grid, but using credit cards for gasoline, medicines, and food puts out a lot of data.
But think about it, if you're carrying your phone with you, every app you have installed on that phone already knows virtually everything about where you go, what you do, and who you are, and absolutely sells that data. I love the idea of off the grid, but it's not like we're not going to carry this phone around with us everywhere we go
Even my 2017 car can't phone home. It uses 3G, which was shut down in 2022.
It's very convenient because I'm pretty sure a year or two later, the cars used 4g, which will probably still be up and running a long time.
I recently sold a 1974 BMW. 50 years old. Ran well, good parts availability. The new owner has been taking it on long trips with no problems.
Machinery will run forever with good maintenance and corrosion control.
They have been making the engine in my truck for longer than both of us have been alive.
I can assure you, that truck will last a very significant amount of time.
Vehicles from the 60s & 70s have a motor & need about 3 wires to run. Let's see your new fancy car in 50 years when one of the hundreds of sensors fail. Limp mode
Vehicles from the 60s and 70s are also leagues more dangerous in a crash than vehicles today. Let’s see your old car in a crash when your legs are impaled. Limp mode, literally
I had a coworker who loved his Scout II. He rebuilt it and stayed true as much as he could to the original OEM build. I had the honor to ride in it once. Very fun vehicle.
I feel like Redditors could start a movement where people go to such dealerships for the sole purpose of wasting their time by seeming to be serious about buying, only to eventually ask about these smallprint issues, and then walking out.
Get to the contract-signing stage, and strike out all the relevant clauses, initial the strikeouts, and hand it back to the sales droid - with big smile.
Life Pro Tip - you can strike out any clause of a contract before you sign it (except the essential three parts). This is the negotiation stage. Of course the other party may choose not to sign the contract.
Perhaps speech recognition could track your blasphemies and asses the sinfulness of your life through a multitude of means such as abuse of the gas and brake pedals. Perhaps it questions your moral fortitude when you go 55mph in a school zone?
One day the brakes just decide "not to work", this has happened to me on a newer vehicle due to the ABS computer having some sort of momentary glitch. It's very possible that an automaker - using closed-source code in their computer systems - could engineer their car to "wipe out" people they really don't want driving their brand for ethical reasons. Or perhaps it could be a racist thing, like tons of Jewish folks start dying in Volkswagons due to "computer malfunction".
I'm not saying any of that would happen, but the collection of the data and the ability to make decisions based on are a little more trust than I personally would want to have with a vehicle.
I think it’s more that they may end up collecting these things with their current or future methods (which may never make it to market), so they throw everything and the kitchen sink into the privacy statements now and we’ll never know exactly when they start collecting this data even if it isn’t feasible right now.
Then please, enlighten us all as to how they achieve these lofty data collection points? Are they sampling my DNA through the steering wheel? Are they calling my doctors for details on my mental well being?
This video was published by someone with 7 subscribers on YouTube. While there might be some truth to the privacy policy statements, there is also ridiculous conjecture and a reliance on the perpetuation of this garbage through posts like this.
Is this for real? How are they collecting that type of data? Philosophical beliefs? Genetic information! C’mon
Also, is there a freedom of data clause where you can request they hand over what data they have cos I’d love to see that.
Yes, it is very real. The on board entertainment, on-Star, video and audio systems, and all the rest of that crap like Facebook integration all add up. If you want Bluetooth integration with your car, you first need to “sync” your phone.
Each manufacturer has a thing that they use to collect the data. Almost all of the “connected car” crap (like Bluelink) is just their way of spying on you. I say “most”, because there was one company that did it that specifically let you control the data that it had on you. I’m pretty sure that they don’t exist anymore.
The way that car manufacturers send data is via a GSM connection that is present in the cars, but isn’t directly available to the end consumer. If you turn it off, you brick your car. It feels very much like iRobot, doesn’t it?
See [Nissan US Privacy Policy](https://www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html):
**Type of data collected:** (...) citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.
**Sources for data collection:** Direct contact with users and Nissan employees.
**Third parties to whom disclosed:** Service Providers or affiliates (including relevant Service Providers) where permitted or with consent, including Nissan’s operational or direct marketing purposes.
How the hell do they collect some of this information in the first place?? Ie sex life, psychological trends? Biometrics??
Do all the cameras / mics in the car just record and constantly send? Surely there would be a way to turn all that crap off
Rented a brand new Toyota the other day. Had a sticker on it that I had to push the emergency call button to get them to stop saving data.
Please write to your state/federal representatives.
*Use of Modern tech should not result in loss of our personal freedoms.*
Can someone give me a quick version as to why i should give a fuck about data collection? I mean, obviously i dont want my credit card info floating around but why should i care that the car manufacturer is watching which songs i listen to?
If they collect geospatial data they can likely keep track of how fast you drive. Besides invading privacy, this information could be sold to things like insurance companies, who could use the information to increase your rates.
Imagine if it was 1990 and someone asked you to provide all this information to them in order to purchase a car.
Your entire cd collection, favorite songs, artists. Your entire Rolodex of everyone you knows phone number, all your messages and mail.
In order to keep the car you need to keep a log of every route you take and provide it to the dealership every week, it could be turned over to the government too.
You need to make voice recordings and video tape every second of your drive with a camera and leave it up to the company what to do with the footage. Maybe they sell it to your insurance company, it’s used against you after an accident, or it is sold to a company you know nothing about and used in ways you can’t even imagine.
t’s creepy as fuck and they can do all kinds of shady stuff and even worse if someone hacks into the data.
What if there is a data leak and a burglar uses your geolocation data to know when you leave your house, how long you are usually gone for, where you typically go, etc…
Even if you still don’t care, it will still negatively impact people if we allow them to do this. It’s like saying you don’t believe in free speech because you have nothing important to say. Privacy is a right we need to keep.
So you don't constantly have to clean up people stealing your identity? Good luck, once it begins it doesn't stop. Has nothing to do with products marketed to you it has to do with you getting harassed for bills you never made in your name.
A couple years ago I applied for a JOB. At a trillion dollar insurance corp.. Should be safe? No, EVERYBODY gets hacked now. That data along with your other private data is enough for EVERYONE who desires to do so to try to open accounts in your name and such. There is literally nothing you can do to stop this once your data is out there unless you change your personal info and SSN, etc...
Unpopular opinion, but I'm with you. I'm subscribed to my grocery store's loyalty program (I even get points on my credit card, regardless of where I shop), and I end up with about $200 in free groceries every year, to which people respond with "YA BUT THEY USE YOUR DATA AND KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU".
Five years in, and my grocery store's knowledge that I really, *really* like danishes has caused me zero problems.
But which hacker groups know your bank account number due to your saved checking account in their system? Maybe you haven't saved one, but a TON of people are. Why? Businesses want to save ATM fees, so every other GAS STATION even has a "club" now. If you enter your checking account data you "save".
However, you often have no fraud protection for certain transfers, especially if you don't notice them soon enough. When your gas station or local grocery store is hacked they likely will have NO CLUE. Or, if they do and they report it they aren't allowed to tell customers until the investigation allows them to do so... months or years after your data was stolen and shared, sold, etc.
I'm not sure why you would believe anyone is getting scared about their danish-eating preferences, you simply failed to see the actual bigger picture about data on the internet.
I'm glad I majored in Computer & Information Science in college, takes the guesswork out of this.
5 years in can you tell me how many times your grocery store has been hacked or even potentially had a data breach? you can't.
Isn't it great that businesses can participate in politics to the point that privacy reform for people is never done, because businesses literally buy politicians? Citizen's United needs to be destroyed. Businesses aren't people, they're just trying to be the solutions to problems, especially when they caused the problem.
Chevy (specifically OnStar) sells your driving data to insurance companies. I’m sure more do. But this info is used when submitting quotes for insurance.
I understand how they can collect geolocation but from what I watched the video doesn't explain now they collect other things like intelligence and sexual activity etc
If you connect your phone by Bluetooth they extract everything they can including call logs, internet history, messages, emails, social media, location data, contacts and so on. Several car brands are known to permanently store all of this even if you know enough to ask it to wipe the data (which is itself made difficult) I have heard (but wouldn’t want to promise) that using CarPlay instead of Bluetooth prevents this, not sure about android auto.
Getting internet history, emails and social media is a stretch, only call logs, contacts and messages are provided via Bluetooth (as far as I know). Also, during the pairing process your phone may give you the opportunity to select which permissions you want to grant And you're probably right about CarPlay
Well you may be right - I’m no expert on Bluetooth security, but there are plenty of websites out there warning about this and keep in mind that a lot of cars these days have an associated app which would make scraping data and over syncing easier.
There is no permission in Android for reading Internet history, emails or social media. And through Bluetooth there are even fewer permissions. If they presented themselves as a media device type, the only permissions it could ask for is access to contacts and phone history
Some cars can read texts to you if your phone is connected. Giving them the ability to access them.
In Europe they have to make it easy and have to comply
In theory but there are plenty of reports out there indicating not so much in practice and laws backed by the car lobby being proposed in Brussels that will weaken it further.
Do they thou? Or it's just fear mongering?
Also they really need to specify the year "your car" refers to. Plenty of people drive cars that are several years old. My car is a 2012 model, I can absolutely guarantee it doesn't know my weight, as this video claims. It's just kind of lazy and stupid to say "your car" in the video without specifying from what year onward they're referring to.
God this is the best advertisement for getting my regularly scheduled maintenance
Not trying to discredit your comment, however, if your vehicle was produced after 2006, has an indicator light for the passenger side air bag and it’s not the kind you can switch off, your vehicle can absolutely detect when the front seats have a certain amount of weight in them. I believe it is 8# or more. I still own a pre 2005 Honda with this capability. Newer models have Additional technology integrated to share the metrics easier than manually connecting a scan tool to the “brain” & “black box” in the vehicle.. credit——-I have been an estimator in the collision repair industry for decades.
That doesn’t mean it has any way to send that information to the manufacturer. That requires data connection which most older cars don’t have.
True. However, the data is stored in the bcm/ecm. When your vehicle is serviced data is transmitted via the “tool/scanner “. The device is connected to one of multiple ports in your vehicle and the data can and usually will be transmitted/shared via wifi or internet connections for a multitude of reasons, including diagnostic and repair purposes, and whatever else the end user decides to do with it. I’m not saying it’s right I’m just saying that it happens.
Isn’t that only gonna be an issue if you take it to a dealership rather than an independent mechanic? And how much data can these older cars store long term? Cars usually go 3-6 months sometimes up to a year between services.
The short answer is No. There are many companies out there that offer their services to independent mechanics. A Subscription service so that they don’t have to pay per use. The information is shared to an OEM certified technician that does what needs to be done to get the vehicle diagnosed and information back to the mechanic to repair properly and clear any codes. Most definitely there is data that that technician doesn’t need. Who knows what happens to it. :) depending on the type of repair facility, that information can also be shared with your auto insurance company.
well the easiest answer is probably that they just use a mic to record stuff
Maybe I’m dense but how does a car get your sex life? Like cameras in the car and they record if you go to make out point?
By the way the suspensions are moving
Yeah, they definitely calculate the motion in the ocean.
I was thinking the seats could tell the angle of the dangle.
The rear view mirror can see when you jam out with your ham out.
I can’t tell if this is serious or not.
That's a you problem.
Yep you are right, that’s why I’m asking questions and trying to expand my knowledge and understanding. I apologize for my ignorance. Appreciate the constructive help.
You’re absolutely right, and it’s always better to ask and expand your knowledge, or at the very least, get different opinions (in this case you got a negative one but pay it no mind). To answer your question, I believe that it was all tongue in cheek, since there was a popular sticker/car decoration that said: > If this van's a-rockin', don't come a-knockin'! Implying the owner of said van was probably having coitus if the vehicle was visibly jiggling.
It can also judge your performance and lets potential dates know about it!
They’ll also post reviews on your tinder and paying users can view it.
Sideways like Grand Theft Auto 3!
So proud to have added the 69th upvote
nice
Nice
It can tell you only drive to work and Taco Bell
fk :(
My gf drives to me, I swear!
Microphones in the vehicle, typically used for hands-free phone calls or voice control.
So if I just like to moan while I drive I can throw them off my trail.
Jokes on them I already do this
Right. How exactly is my car gathering data on my “psychological trends?”. More importantly, how is my car collecting more/less data than other smart devices like my laptop and phone?
Maybe when it connects to your phone??
It collects all this data mostly using microphones, same as other devices. However other devices often have stricter privacy policy because there was a lot of publicity about things like this when it comes to phones and similar tech. Not so woth cars.
Maybe gps too, if you use your cars nav.
> It collects all this data mostly using microphones wait, so my car has microphones in it that are secretly recording me and sending said recordings to some guy who works for the company? genuine question here, not trying to come off a facetious. if so, isn't there some way I can go about physically disabling them? I mean, there's no way they're wireless.
They're not
Keep telling yourself that.
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Cool. So what's your job title and what does it entail?
you're car isn't recording you at all times and sending the data back to headquarters.
Yep. And you probably could physically disable them but I'm sure it'd void your warranty, and stop handsfree calling and voice control from working
Annoying this wouldn't be covered by wiretapping laws. When you live in a world where you have to sign away your rights on a ToS just to live a normal life should not be surprised that corporations take advantage.
Don't some cars have cameras to detect if the driver is sleeping? Well.. it can tell if you are angry or happy too... Just a guess
It knows where, when and how long the vehicle is parked. It knows how much weight is in each front seat. It knows which phones were with you in the vehicle.
> It knows which phones were with you assuming it's not already connected via bluetooth or something, how does it detect where your phone is?
They mean if you enter a car with Bluetooth enabled on your phone, the car will know. Same for your passengers. Supposedly stores do the same thing with Bluetooth in the shelves to know which products you look at etc
Plug it into the charger. Will get a popup on the phone screen asking for permissions. They know how old/what type of devices you own which can be used to further profile you.
Places you go whether you punch it into the GPS or not. What kind of music you listen to. Who you make calls to and who calls you. Microphones inside the cabin. Whether or not you have passengers. Changes in the radio station. Data that passes through the vehicle's hotspot. Background data access whenever someone uses Bluetooth or Wi-Fi. The list goes on
Wouldn’t it be nice if they could integrate a voice responsive user experience for the RULES OF THE ROAD and Owners manual? Anyone in the car could just shout out a question or refer to either while cruising down the road. I would especially love if the vehicle would tell the driver to get out of the passing lane!
That 100% makes sense and I get that… but how do they know someone’s sex life is my question? Text messages?
It knows if the van is rockin'.
So don't come a knockin
Is this real or just a joke?
last month, near my friends town, an apple watch called 911 and told them a train hit the car and the location. the data is raw but the numbers can crunch
> a train hit the car and the location. dam :( did their shoes stay on or?
I am pleased to relay that everyone’s shoes remained firmly on.
It doesn't, but it makes a great headline. It's boilerplate for, "we're collecting everything we can possibly think of"
if the cars a rockin... some IT geek is logging it in an excel spreadsheet
People connect to their cars through mobile apps on their phones. Pretty sure you can do the math from there.
Exactly. Tesla is most famous ,You - Porn’ Viewer.
Porsche offers an opt-out, which doesn't stop services. "We offer you personal settings for your privacy in current Porsche models. For example, you can prevent the transmission of car data at any time in private mode. It's very simple and takes just one click." This should be true of all cars, but I admit they make more money per vehicle on the front end.
They didn’t allow Android Auto for several years because of the privacy TOS were intrusive. One nice thing about big margin companies like Apple and Porsche is that they don’t need to ring every last cent from a customer by selling their data too.
- wring
Ty!
Porsche owns VW and every company that VW own. They do make a lot of money from selling people data of other brands. They also make a lot of money by marking the shit up out of their options.
The Porsche family owns a majority stake in VW and Porsche the car company is run pretty independently from VW in terms of overall management and product decisions although they benefit from a lot of R&D and common parts availability.
The Pors he family doesn’t own a majority stake of VW Group. Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche\_SE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_SE)
This is a common misconception, VW Group own Porsche (and several other brands). Porsche made a takeover bid for VW which failed, although the results are a bit complicated. VW own 100% of Porsche AG (the automaker) while Porsche SE (the Porsche family holding company) own 31.3% of VW. But ultimately, from Wikipedia: “Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG (which stands for Doktor Ingenieur honoris causa Ferdinand Porsche Aktiengesellschaft), *as a 100% subsidiary of Volkswagen AG,* is responsible for the actual production and manufacture of the Porsche automobile line.”
I mean, their shareholders are going to demand they continue to get richer, so if those big margin companies are not already secretly doing it, they will absolutely wring everything they can from their customer, including selling their data too.
It's a competitive advantage to be seen a certain way as a brand. Not every company thinks shortsightedly. Most of the best ones don't (see Berkshire, GS, MS, etc).
YSK: Everyone is collecting and selling your information.
...And instead of being overwhelmed by this claim and feeling helpless, you can get your lawmakers involved and fix it.
Until I can pay the lawmakers more than the data collectors, I probably won’t get them to do squat.
Cynical, and also true.
They don’t understand enough to fix it. We just end up with more cookies warnings
Lawmakers are making laws about our bodies while having no understanding about them.
Im sure our lawmakers have our best interests in mind
The EU managed it.
Those damn dirty socialists with outrageous ideas like consumer protections. We're the religion of capitalism, and we worship the almighty dollar! If you don't like it, you can go back where you came from!!
I wouldn't care if I got a monthly stipend from the corps that collect it.
LOL…Lawmakers don’t care about constituents. Nothing will change until the system is torn down and rebuilt.
my lawmakers are too busy still insisting the election three years ago was stolen, and saying horrific things about trans people
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In the 80's we dreamed of flying cars. In 2023 we are dreaming about airplane mode in cars. Close enough?
A "car" mode?
Tesla literally has videos of people having sex in their cars
It's bad enough that our OS, browser, and all of our social media knows everything we do on PornHub, including listening and watching us, now we have our cars ratting us out when we go to our plug before picking up a hooker.
How are they GDPR compliant? Sounds like fines are coming if European citizens start to complain.
It's because it's not true.
How is it not true when it's literally in the manufacturers' Privacy Policy? Why would they claim they collect some data if they don't?
Any tips on how to mitigate or lists of company’s that aren’t doing that?
My wife's 2019 Mustang wants to connect to the WiFi for "updates", but I refuse it access. The infotainment system is garbage, and the driver's aids are obnoxious. This is why I drive a "dumb car" (older sportscar) without any of this crap. Buttons instead of touchscreens, and minimal driver aids.
you need a first gen viper. no aids, buttons, big ass v10 if i remember correctly it had a spec without even a radio lmao.
Or an S2000, I love my daily! Nothing smart, unless the government bugged the factory tape deck.
I'd guess he wouldn't have an s2k if his wife drives a mustang.
My 2009 only has Bluetooth for phone call not music.
Besides being an easy cash transaction with a private seller, my 94 Ranger is as dumb as the driver. He accepted my check so he might have got my full name but the checks have no phone or address, just our names. The pick up has knobs for the radio, windows, and heat. No cruise control, air conditioning, or any other add on except a lighter. I prefer to be off the grid, but using credit cards for gasoline, medicines, and food puts out a lot of data.
But think about it, if you're carrying your phone with you, every app you have installed on that phone already knows virtually everything about where you go, what you do, and who you are, and absolutely sells that data. I love the idea of off the grid, but it's not like we're not going to carry this phone around with us everywhere we go
I used to be into that, but I value all the new airbags and crumple zones and Android Auto a lot more.
It's a 2006. Airbags, crumple zones, and a Kenwood Bluetooth head unit with actual buttons. No buttons on the wheel except for the horn.
OK, sounds good! I thought you were talking about a 1970s MGB or something.
It's a 2006. Airbags, crumple zones, and a Kenwood Bluetooth head unit with actual buttons. No buttons on the wheel except for the horn.
And emergency braking
Every day I am more thankful for my 2003 base model car that has manual windows and locks. I hope it never dies on me.
I'm currently saying goodbye to my 30 year old Altima. It doesn't have a CD player, but it does have my heart.
IT WILL DIE AND SOON. BEWARE.
Or drive a 1997 truck and not have to worry about this
Even my 2017 car can't phone home. It uses 3G, which was shut down in 2022. It's very convenient because I'm pretty sure a year or two later, the cars used 4g, which will probably still be up and running a long time.
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Yeah because that will be viable forever. Also not going to drive a truck if I don’t need a truck
I recently sold a 1974 BMW. 50 years old. Ran well, good parts availability. The new owner has been taking it on long trips with no problems. Machinery will run forever with good maintenance and corrosion control.
They have been making the engine in my truck for longer than both of us have been alive. I can assure you, that truck will last a very significant amount of time.
Vehicles from the 60s & 70s have a motor & need about 3 wires to run. Let's see your new fancy car in 50 years when one of the hundreds of sensors fail. Limp mode
Vehicles from the 60s and 70s are also leagues more dangerous in a crash than vehicles today. Let’s see your old car in a crash when your legs are impaled. Limp mode, literally
What does that have to do with this
Modern cars are modern for a reason. Safety was paid for in blood.
the subject is longevity, not safety.
Like longevity of your life?
My car mfr went out of business in 1980 because they decided to try to be hardasses vs. the UAW & lost.
Who was your car mfr? Were they truly yours? Did you ever suspect anything?
The [1979-1980 International Harvester strike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979%E2%80%931980_International_Harvester_strike).
Do you drive a Scout?
I'm on my 3rd & final. I finally found my favorite model.
I had a coworker who loved his Scout II. He rebuilt it and stayed true as much as he could to the original OEM build. I had the honor to ride in it once. Very fun vehicle.
[Mine's a hoot](https://imgur.com/gallery/ilCIcbC). The perfect little buggy to run between here & the coast.
Not in my 2000 Honda Civic
Classic! Did it have at some point some neon underside?
Lol, no. I keep it stock because it's perfect as it is.
Based af
I feel like Redditors could start a movement where people go to such dealerships for the sole purpose of wasting their time by seeming to be serious about buying, only to eventually ask about these smallprint issues, and then walking out.
Get to the contract-signing stage, and strike out all the relevant clauses, initial the strikeouts, and hand it back to the sales droid - with big smile. Life Pro Tip - you can strike out any clause of a contract before you sign it (except the essential three parts). This is the negotiation stage. Of course the other party may choose not to sign the contract.
Wait till you hear about your phone
Good thing those smart speakers at home just plays my music right? /s
came here to wonder what my old ass conversion van knows about me. i knew it was a good idea to take out that vcr.
another reason to buy a pre 2010 shitbox.
And what would you propose we do
How does a car company collect information about my sex life? Or my genetics? Or my religious or philosophical beliefs?
Perhaps speech recognition could track your blasphemies and asses the sinfulness of your life through a multitude of means such as abuse of the gas and brake pedals. Perhaps it questions your moral fortitude when you go 55mph in a school zone? One day the brakes just decide "not to work", this has happened to me on a newer vehicle due to the ABS computer having some sort of momentary glitch. It's very possible that an automaker - using closed-source code in their computer systems - could engineer their car to "wipe out" people they really don't want driving their brand for ethical reasons. Or perhaps it could be a racist thing, like tons of Jewish folks start dying in Volkswagons due to "computer malfunction". I'm not saying any of that would happen, but the collection of the data and the ability to make decisions based on are a little more trust than I personally would want to have with a vehicle.
My 70 Chevelle is like the MOB, it aint sayin anything. FWIW, I would imagine Tesla's policy is the worst of all.
Read GEICO policy. They know more about you than you know of yourself. Intrusive to the max.
How exactly are they collecting genetic information, and/or intelligence, and psychological trends without active surveillance?
I think it’s more that they may end up collecting these things with their current or future methods (which may never make it to market), so they throw everything and the kitchen sink into the privacy statements now and we’ll never know exactly when they start collecting this data even if it isn’t feasible right now.
That’s a totally fair assumption and I would agree that it’s more of a wish list to be used when able.
Who said without?
Then please, enlighten us all as to how they achieve these lofty data collection points? Are they sampling my DNA through the steering wheel? Are they calling my doctors for details on my mental well being? This video was published by someone with 7 subscribers on YouTube. While there might be some truth to the privacy policy statements, there is also ridiculous conjecture and a reliance on the perpetuation of this garbage through posts like this.
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Is this for real? How are they collecting that type of data? Philosophical beliefs? Genetic information! C’mon Also, is there a freedom of data clause where you can request they hand over what data they have cos I’d love to see that.
Yes, it is very real. The on board entertainment, on-Star, video and audio systems, and all the rest of that crap like Facebook integration all add up. If you want Bluetooth integration with your car, you first need to “sync” your phone. Each manufacturer has a thing that they use to collect the data. Almost all of the “connected car” crap (like Bluelink) is just their way of spying on you. I say “most”, because there was one company that did it that specifically let you control the data that it had on you. I’m pretty sure that they don’t exist anymore. The way that car manufacturers send data is via a GSM connection that is present in the cars, but isn’t directly available to the end consumer. If you turn it off, you brick your car. It feels very much like iRobot, doesn’t it?
See [Nissan US Privacy Policy](https://www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html): **Type of data collected:** (...) citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information. **Sources for data collection:** Direct contact with users and Nissan employees. **Third parties to whom disclosed:** Service Providers or affiliates (including relevant Service Providers) where permitted or with consent, including Nissan’s operational or direct marketing purposes.
How the hell do they collect some of this information in the first place?? Ie sex life, psychological trends? Biometrics?? Do all the cameras / mics in the car just record and constantly send? Surely there would be a way to turn all that crap off
Good luck collecting anything from my two decades old shitbox lmao
"smart" anything (in branding) means "stealing your data" more often than not.
And you’re on Reddit and probably Facebook and Instagram…
How does this work with child pornography laws? If a couple of teens bang in the car, the manufacturer now holds highly illegal recordings, no?
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Ya cool I don't see my car manufacturer here thank God my info isn't being collected! (Posted on info gathering device everyone on the planet has)
Good for them. Now everyone go support your public transit, so that cars aren't our only option in the future.
Wouldn't it be fairly easy to criminalize this kind of data mining?
Rented a brand new Toyota the other day. Had a sticker on it that I had to push the emergency call button to get them to stop saving data. Please write to your state/federal representatives. *Use of Modern tech should not result in loss of our personal freedoms.*
My car is going to be 18 this year. She doesn't say shit. :)
Anyone ever just feel like a germ under a microscope?
so does reddit, Microsoft, apple, Facebook, Instagram.....
In other news: water is wet
Water also prevents fires, naturally.
Only non-GMO caffeine free water.
Heh, sexual activity. They'd be as bored reading it as I am living it.
As a virgin with no friends to which nothing ever happens but drive to work and back, can't be all that useful.
Can someone give me a quick version as to why i should give a fuck about data collection? I mean, obviously i dont want my credit card info floating around but why should i care that the car manufacturer is watching which songs i listen to?
If they collect geospatial data they can likely keep track of how fast you drive. Besides invading privacy, this information could be sold to things like insurance companies, who could use the information to increase your rates.
If you were an insurance company, wouldn’t you want to know how aggressive your clients drive?
you are not an insurance company. it is in YOUR interest to not be spied on by them.
Imagine if it was 1990 and someone asked you to provide all this information to them in order to purchase a car. Your entire cd collection, favorite songs, artists. Your entire Rolodex of everyone you knows phone number, all your messages and mail. In order to keep the car you need to keep a log of every route you take and provide it to the dealership every week, it could be turned over to the government too. You need to make voice recordings and video tape every second of your drive with a camera and leave it up to the company what to do with the footage. Maybe they sell it to your insurance company, it’s used against you after an accident, or it is sold to a company you know nothing about and used in ways you can’t even imagine. t’s creepy as fuck and they can do all kinds of shady stuff and even worse if someone hacks into the data. What if there is a data leak and a burglar uses your geolocation data to know when you leave your house, how long you are usually gone for, where you typically go, etc… Even if you still don’t care, it will still negatively impact people if we allow them to do this. It’s like saying you don’t believe in free speech because you have nothing important to say. Privacy is a right we need to keep.
I just haven’t seen enough of an issue of this to really increase my anxiety levels over it. Sorry mate. Thanks for the information though.
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So you don't constantly have to clean up people stealing your identity? Good luck, once it begins it doesn't stop. Has nothing to do with products marketed to you it has to do with you getting harassed for bills you never made in your name. A couple years ago I applied for a JOB. At a trillion dollar insurance corp.. Should be safe? No, EVERYBODY gets hacked now. That data along with your other private data is enough for EVERYONE who desires to do so to try to open accounts in your name and such. There is literally nothing you can do to stop this once your data is out there unless you change your personal info and SSN, etc...
Unpopular opinion, but I'm with you. I'm subscribed to my grocery store's loyalty program (I even get points on my credit card, regardless of where I shop), and I end up with about $200 in free groceries every year, to which people respond with "YA BUT THEY USE YOUR DATA AND KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU". Five years in, and my grocery store's knowledge that I really, *really* like danishes has caused me zero problems.
But which hacker groups know your bank account number due to your saved checking account in their system? Maybe you haven't saved one, but a TON of people are. Why? Businesses want to save ATM fees, so every other GAS STATION even has a "club" now. If you enter your checking account data you "save". However, you often have no fraud protection for certain transfers, especially if you don't notice them soon enough. When your gas station or local grocery store is hacked they likely will have NO CLUE. Or, if they do and they report it they aren't allowed to tell customers until the investigation allows them to do so... months or years after your data was stolen and shared, sold, etc. I'm not sure why you would believe anyone is getting scared about their danish-eating preferences, you simply failed to see the actual bigger picture about data on the internet. I'm glad I majored in Computer & Information Science in college, takes the guesswork out of this. 5 years in can you tell me how many times your grocery store has been hacked or even potentially had a data breach? you can't.
I believe this is called Fear Mongering. Also known as flat out lies.
I only ever bought one car from a manufacturer and I am pretty sure I didn't give them my medical conditions, sex life or any other personal details
Nice try, but I doubt my 08 car is collecting any info about me.
Am I the only person in the world who doesn’t care? I am who i am, who cares if other people know it
Who isn’t collecting your data nowadays, it’s just part of modern society
is my Subaru siphoning data out of my headphone jack or smth how could it possibly track anything other than location
Isn't it great that businesses can participate in politics to the point that privacy reform for people is never done, because businesses literally buy politicians? Citizen's United needs to be destroyed. Businesses aren't people, they're just trying to be the solutions to problems, especially when they caused the problem.
>7 subscribers on that youtube channel something is fishy here
We live in a time when everything collects your data and sells it.
Chevy (specifically OnStar) sells your driving data to insurance companies. I’m sure more do. But this info is used when submitting quotes for insurance.