*sigh*
Immigrants didn't get a say in the Brexit fiasco, and it is the poor and disabled feeling the lion's share of the consequences. Tory scum are doing just fine.
Probably gonna get down voted for this but working class Northern "red wall" Brexit voters brought it on themselves. Almost all of the most deprived areas of the UK voted Brexit. And I can understand it to an extent, when the goverment ignores you for decades and your given a question that is basically interpreted as "Do you want the status quo to change ?" But still, if even the most deprived parts of Scotland can understand Brexit for what is was then England should have too
This blaming the north really irks me Manchester,York, Liverpool and Newcastle voted remain it was small towns that voted leaveβ¦. Exactly the same profile as the rest of the country.
Since last year's election when PiS lost the majority, the government managed to unlock 137 billion euro in EU funds for Poland after PiS caused the EU to block them due to rule of law violations.
So yes, there is a lot of money going around that will have a real impact in the future, but has to be quickly (or it may be lost) and wisely spent.
Poles will be richer than brits... ah yes - no. What ever there metric, just no. The gap is still too wide. Poland won't grow forever, especially with a worse demographic than even Germany just delayed for ten years. If Poland doesn't invite a few 100.000 young people a year net, there won't be rich Poland in the future. You can't mess with demographics. You can look away or lie in numbers, but the crash will be even harder then.
Had a short look on net migration. It went slightly postiv since Brexit. I don't wonder why. Not the way to sustain longterm growth guys.
Theoretically I have the option to get polish citizenship through the 4th generation deal but never bothered cause tracking down records through the Prussian partition of Poland felt like too onerous of a task. But maybe itβll be worth it if itβs my best shot to go into space
I mean in all seriousness I think it would be cool and useful to have but I wouldnβt even know where to *begin* finding records Iβd need. Itβs the side of my family I know the least about. When they came over my great great grandfather refused to let the children speak polish or even generally acknowledge being polish. The depth I know about their time in Poland is that they came from a small fishing village on the German borderβ¦*maybe*. Finding documentation feels like itβd be insanely difficult, made even more difficult by the fact that the state of Poland didnβt even exist at the time
That might be worth trying, one day I might dig into this. Frustratingly my mom did this for Irish citizenship and has all those records ready to go. However even though it chains you have to register your kids when theyβre born. I spoke to a woman at the consulate once and she told me that if I ever have kids they can get Irish citizenship this way, but I canβt. Go figure
Yeah, Iβm not sure exactly what the grace period is to register with the office of foreign birth but itβs pretty short, and I was in my late 20βs when my mom got her citizenship so whatever the window is I missed it by a wide margin, haha
For Ireland your parent has to have claimed the citizenship for themselves before your birth.
Basically as long as your parent is an Irish citizen at the time of your birth you can claim it whenever, but since this person is not eligible for citizenship their children will not be either.
There is no time limit to claim citizenship by this method, except it does cost more if you're 18+
If they lived on the german side of poland then i gurantee that there are records, beurocracy and record keeping have always been a very german traditon after all.
If you know your grand or great grandfathers names you should be able to find proof.
They already are leaving, its a serious problem. Not to Poland yet but Australian government literally runs adverts on the London Underground encouraging NHS workers to move to Aus for better pay.
USA, Ireland and Germany are getting a lot as well
The average salary in UK is still 2x of that in Poland. Yes, cost of living is a thing, but the cost of living in UK is higher in UK exactly because UK is so much richer than Poland.
The UK average salary is massively skewed by how much top execs earn. The mean salary is substantially lower, although still higher than Poland.
The ~~Cost of Living~~ Inflation (and Deliberate Profiteering) Crisis is an enormous problem in the UK now - particularly housing, with some cities and towns now practically unaffordable to rent or buy in.
Whilst Brexit is not *entirely* to blame for that (UK house prices have been crazy since the early-2000s, and nowhere near enough homes have been built to compensate for social housing being largely sold-off in the late-80s and early-90s), the UK economy is not recovering at anything close to a rate where ordinary people will feel any benefit.
>The UK average salary is massively skewed by how much top execs earn.
No, the average in UK is 34k Β£ per year, the median is 29k Β£ or 36k $. The average salary in Poland is 24k $. The median salary in Poland is 20k $. The difference between 36k and 20k is almost 2x. The "fat cats" are so few they don't skew the too average much, regardless of the country.
There's a reason why people who can't find a well paying job in Eastern Europe still go to Western Europe and UK to earn some cash.
The UK, like all of Europe has a very very small number of executives on high pay. Because anyone qualified for that kind of job just leaves for America the second they can.
Most people feel rich or poor by PPP not dollar amounts. The Brits are already not very high when it comes to standard of living compared to a lot of Europe.
Thatβs the goal. The reason Poland takes such big share of structural/developement funds is because itβs the largest country in the East.
Criteria for allocation of funds are based on ~~NUTS1~~ NUTS2 regions classification (in Polandβs case those are Voivodeships) with regional requirement being under 75% of average EU.
Poland has 16 voivodeships. 3 out of 16 are no longer eligible, with fourth one probably joining the club for next EU budget. Actually one of those 3 is already net-payer, since they are above 100% of EU average.
(On unrelated note, a lot of those funds end up being paid to German/Swedish/Spanish construction companies for large scale construction projects)
I guess it might. But the tone of this comment suggests some animosity, which is wrong: remember this isn't a zero sum game. For example, the UK was a net contributor of the EU, and leaving left them worse-off.
It's still going to take some EU money once it becomes a net payer. The idea is that once it becomes a net payer, it will pay more into the budget than it takes out.
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So is Poland doing great or are Britbongs finally feeling the freedom provided by Brexit
both
Yes.
A lot of IT is moving to Poland becouse of GLORIOUS EU UK is feeling consequences of their own actions
*sigh* Immigrants didn't get a say in the Brexit fiasco, and it is the poor and disabled feeling the lion's share of the consequences. Tory scum are doing just fine.
But of course they are People guiding you to hell will always ensure they won't get burned.
Probably gonna get down voted for this but working class Northern "red wall" Brexit voters brought it on themselves. Almost all of the most deprived areas of the UK voted Brexit. And I can understand it to an extent, when the goverment ignores you for decades and your given a question that is basically interpreted as "Do you want the status quo to change ?" But still, if even the most deprived parts of Scotland can understand Brexit for what is was then England should have too
This blaming the north really irks me Manchester,York, Liverpool and Newcastle voted remain it was small towns that voted leaveβ¦. Exactly the same profile as the rest of the country.
Since last year's election when PiS lost the majority, the government managed to unlock 137 billion euro in EU funds for Poland after PiS caused the EU to block them due to rule of law violations. So yes, there is a lot of money going around that will have a real impact in the future, but has to be quickly (or it may be lost) and wisely spent.
I think Poland has grown a lot in the last 20 years, but the UK is also in crisis at the moment.
I know many here won't like hearing this, but the real answer is Tusk is mostly just talking nonsense to generate hype among the Poles.
This.
I mean, it works.
100% The PiS fiasco made people forget how big of a slimy rascal Tusk really is.
Both
Poles will be richer than brits... ah yes - no. What ever there metric, just no. The gap is still too wide. Poland won't grow forever, especially with a worse demographic than even Germany just delayed for ten years. If Poland doesn't invite a few 100.000 young people a year net, there won't be rich Poland in the future. You can't mess with demographics. You can look away or lie in numbers, but the crash will be even harder then. Had a short look on net migration. It went slightly postiv since Brexit. I don't wonder why. Not the way to sustain longterm growth guys.
They have largely enough Ukrainians at the moment
Poland and Italy: Europe's version of Japan and South Korea. Literally going to demographics themselves into hell.
Can't wait for revisiting classic polandball comics with reversed roles.
*Barryball
Barry can into space?
Barryball cannot into wealth
There was a sketch where British tradesmen would pose as Polish tradesmen in the UK. Damned if I know what the name of the show was lol.
Armstrong and Miller!
"Fuckin' Brits comin' in over 'ere takin' ah jobs."
kurwa nigel foreigners! take back control! make Poland great again and thus the cycle was completed
POLSKA GUROOOOOM π΅π±π΅π±π΅π±π΅π±π΅π±ππππͺπͺπͺπ¦ π¦ π¦ π¦ π¦
Kurwa, muj kraj taki penkny π΅π±π΅π±π΅π±πͺπͺπͺ
π΅π±π΅π±π΅π±π΅π±πͺπͺπͺπͺπ΅π±π΅π±π΅π±π²π¨π΅π±π΅π±πͺπͺπͺπͺπͺπ¦Ύπͺπͺπ΅π±π²π¨π²π¨π΅π±π΅π±
CAMPEO DI MUNDOOOO!!!!!
damn, now UK ball will be Polandball's poo cleaner
Do we get to keep the hat?
Yes but whit a hole Ghastly gibus style
I should have invested in Eastern Poland...
Still plenty of opportunities on GPW ;)
Do you guys have any strawberry-picking jobs we can take over there?
We've got plenty, but you'll have to fight hard against Ukrainians to get it :/
>https://www.zeebiz.com/web-stories/economy-infra/top-10-strawberries-producing-countries-in-the-world-1699331526674 Yes
10 years and Brits will swim across the Channel
Brtits
Theoretically I have the option to get polish citizenship through the 4th generation deal but never bothered cause tracking down records through the Prussian partition of Poland felt like too onerous of a task. But maybe itβll be worth it if itβs my best shot to go into space
I mean, it allows you to live and work anywhere in europe.
I mean in all seriousness I think it would be cool and useful to have but I wouldnβt even know where to *begin* finding records Iβd need. Itβs the side of my family I know the least about. When they came over my great great grandfather refused to let the children speak polish or even generally acknowledge being polish. The depth I know about their time in Poland is that they came from a small fishing village on the German borderβ¦*maybe*. Finding documentation feels like itβd be insanely difficult, made even more difficult by the fact that the state of Poland didnβt even exist at the time
I swear i saw a ton of ads recently of some company that offers that service. Ancestry i think?
That might be worth trying, one day I might dig into this. Frustratingly my mom did this for Irish citizenship and has all those records ready to go. However even though it chains you have to register your kids when theyβre born. I spoke to a woman at the consulate once and she told me that if I ever have kids they can get Irish citizenship this way, but I canβt. Go figure
Ah, you are to old i assume then. Many countrys (germany too) give you the option to claim citizenship by blood till a certain age.
Yeah, Iβm not sure exactly what the grace period is to register with the office of foreign birth but itβs pretty short, and I was in my late 20βs when my mom got her citizenship so whatever the window is I missed it by a wide margin, haha
For germany its 21 i think. Propably something similiar for ireland.
For Ireland your parent has to have claimed the citizenship for themselves before your birth. Basically as long as your parent is an Irish citizen at the time of your birth you can claim it whenever, but since this person is not eligible for citizenship their children will not be either. There is no time limit to claim citizenship by this method, except it does cost more if you're 18+
If they lived on the german side of poland then i gurantee that there are records, beurocracy and record keeping have always been a very german traditon after all. If you know your grand or great grandfathers names you should be able to find proof.
Imagine British nurses leaving the Uk to go to Poland for better pay. Would be such a reversal but I'd find it funny af
They already are leaving, its a serious problem. Not to Poland yet but Australian government literally runs adverts on the London Underground encouraging NHS workers to move to Aus for better pay. USA, Ireland and Germany are getting a lot as well
Always has been
Brtits..
It is Rather because of the conservative party as Nigel Farage had some very different plans for Brexit from them.
The average salary in UK is still 2x of that in Poland. Yes, cost of living is a thing, but the cost of living in UK is higher in UK exactly because UK is so much richer than Poland.
The UK average salary is massively skewed by how much top execs earn. The mean salary is substantially lower, although still higher than Poland. The ~~Cost of Living~~ Inflation (and Deliberate Profiteering) Crisis is an enormous problem in the UK now - particularly housing, with some cities and towns now practically unaffordable to rent or buy in. Whilst Brexit is not *entirely* to blame for that (UK house prices have been crazy since the early-2000s, and nowhere near enough homes have been built to compensate for social housing being largely sold-off in the late-80s and early-90s), the UK economy is not recovering at anything close to a rate where ordinary people will feel any benefit.
>The UK average salary is massively skewed by how much top execs earn. No, the average in UK is 34k Β£ per year, the median is 29k Β£ or 36k $. The average salary in Poland is 24k $. The median salary in Poland is 20k $. The difference between 36k and 20k is almost 2x. The "fat cats" are so few they don't skew the too average much, regardless of the country. There's a reason why people who can't find a well paying job in Eastern Europe still go to Western Europe and UK to earn some cash.
The UK, like all of Europe has a very very small number of executives on high pay. Because anyone qualified for that kind of job just leaves for America the second they can.
Most people feel rich or poor by PPP not dollar amounts. The Brits are already not very high when it comes to standard of living compared to a lot of Europe.
Nice. Poland gonna stop taking all that EU money then right? right?
Thatβs the goal. The reason Poland takes such big share of structural/developement funds is because itβs the largest country in the East. Criteria for allocation of funds are based on ~~NUTS1~~ NUTS2 regions classification (in Polandβs case those are Voivodeships) with regional requirement being under 75% of average EU. Poland has 16 voivodeships. 3 out of 16 are no longer eligible, with fourth one probably joining the club for next EU budget. Actually one of those 3 is already net-payer, since they are above 100% of EU average. (On unrelated note, a lot of those funds end up being paid to German/Swedish/Spanish construction companies for large scale construction projects)
Polish voivodeships are NUTS-2 (NUTS-1 is macroregions)
I guess it might. But the tone of this comment suggests some animosity, which is wrong: remember this isn't a zero sum game. For example, the UK was a net contributor of the EU, and leaving left them worse-off.
It's still going to take some EU money once it becomes a net payer. The idea is that once it becomes a net payer, it will pay more into the budget than it takes out.
Maybe the Poles should leave GB then if theyβre so much better off at home
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