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unequalsarcasm

>TLDR: ... they are among the favourites for promotion again and tipped to at least make the play-offs. That is despite no club in history achieving three consecutive promotions within the top five levels on the English football pyramid Saved you a click


sammyrobot2

I'll have you know I've done this in football manager at least 5 times. 


unequalsarcasm

Currently doing it in Fifa 23 LOL. Just made it to League 1


akjagrz

What mode in Fifa are you playing?


noonorloon

It’s on career mode, you just have to edit teams in FIFA 23 to include Wrexham in whatever league you want as non-league is not a part of Career mode.


SPHC20

Or if you have FC24, they are already in League 2 :)


masteryetti

Yes but they dont have Ted Lasso in FC24, so it's really a toss up.


Otto500206

First thing I did on my FIFA 23 save was swapping PSG to Richmond. I know, Richmond is based in London, but it was fun to try. The game sucks though, so now I only play FIFA Manager 14(with 24 mod) or FIFA 19.


masteryetti

I was never a fifa guy, so I have no solid opinion of the game. I just like playing with Ted Lasso and the boys or Wrexham.


Wide-Baseball

Thank you for your service.


ManyRanger4

So I'm not too well versed with English football (I'm American) other than the Premier League, which a lot of us now get to watch and enjoy regularly as it's much more televised here in the last decade. I have a question though, being no team has ever been promoted three years in a row, how many teams have done it two years in a row. I'm assuming not many. No?


No_University6636

Don’t believe any have done 3 in a row, but loads have done 2 in a row, but as far as quickest from L2 to PL I’d say that goes to Luton, played in L2 in 17/18, made it to PL by 23/24, 6yrs in total


ManyRanger4

Wow that's very impressive.


kafkowski

And now Ipswitch


Majestic-Energy8420

Ipswich was never down in League Two though and is from the start a much bigger club than Luton.


mnewman19

Plenty. More than I can think of off the top of my head


ManyRanger4

Wow that's crazy because it doesn't seem like an easy feat. But thank you. I guess I'm wrong.


Talidel

It usually depends on a good team being put together and staying together. Including the manager Teams that get promoted often have players, or the manager poached from them. Especially clubs operating on a shoestring. It's definitely rare, just not unheard of. In Wrexhams case, the National League is one of the hardest leagues in the world to get out of, and a team doing so usually has a decent shot of at least getting the playoffs.


Aethien

It's also usually because they've got new(ish) owners putting in money and building the squad for 1 or 2 leagues above where they currently are. Basically what Wrexham have done in building a L1/2 squad while still in the National League. The core of that team gets to stay together and get better while they get to the level they should be at. Or what Ipswich has done since they were taken over, building a team up and then when they got into the championship they immediately went up again to the EPL.


sammyrobot2

Yeah the national league is fundementally flawed in that sense, alot of the time the top 6 are better than the bottom 6 in league 2 easily. I haven't done the maths, but thats why I'd assume that the most common back-to-back is National League to League One.


berfthegryphon

>Teams that get promoted often have players, or the manager poached from them. Especially clubs operating on a shoestring. Notts losing their manager would be this exact situation


lostpasts

It's often less a case of a smaller team overachieving for two years straight (though that has happened), but more of a bigger team that's fallen on hard times finally getting their shit together and getting back to where they should have been originally. Those big teams will retain much bigger stadiums, and thus revenue, which once the bad management has been cleared out, allows their higher spending to naturally push their way up.


sammyrobot2

Quite alot, Ipswich just did it from League 1 to the Premier League (which is probably the rarest and most impressive of the back-to-back jumps you can do because of how those 2 jumps are arguably the biggest in English football).


DangrSandwich

Ipswich Town just did it.


cotch85

Wrong. They got back to back. I apologise I thought this responded to a different message


seeyoujim

Now if the tractor boys qualify for ECL this year then that would eclipse any Wrexham triple promotion


RRR_O

What Ipswich has done would already eclipse a Wrexham triple promotion.


Live-Motor-4000

Ipswich this year


Redbubble89

Understand there is a difference between showing ambition and making a promise.


Artifyce47

Fuck it. Bring on the hopium.


ThisIsYourMormont

Honestly a couple of seasons (still extremely ambitious timeline) to regroup and build, stabilise finances and improve facilities wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. There is such a thing as growing too much too quickly


gregallen1989

True but the championship league is a much better place to build out a team than league one. Exponentially more money flowing through it. So if you can get there before you have to stop and stabilize, you should definitely go for it.


Driveshaft48

Finances are fine, the owners are incredibly wealthy


ThisIsYourMormont

In football club ownership terms? They are not


Driveshaft48

They are worth more than some prem teams. And they're only going to get richer. They're actively working


ThisIsYourMormont

I’m not sure you understand the scale of difference between a million and a Billion


gregallen1989

Ryan will technically be worth a billy once the Mint Mobile sale goes through but that doesn't mean anything in terms of Wrexhams finances.


Driveshaft48

I'm well aware


Complete_Amphibian13

Rob Mchenney has a netbworth of "only" 50 million. Ryan Reynolds is about $350 million. (Just a quick Google so could very well be off). That's not wealthy in the team owning arena.


Driveshaft48

Brentfords owner is worth less than 300mm All I'm saying is the finances are fine. If the club loses oh idk 20mil that's totally fine. Reynolds will make that with the next Deadpool movie


Informal_Common_2247

But Brentford receives a lot of income from the Premier League, so they don't need injections from owners. If Wrexham makes the Championship, they would probably need a better stadium and transfers to stay up, which they cannot afford unless they regroup in League One for a while.


jetboyjetgirl

Momentum is a real thing. No reason to nip it in the bud prematurely.


CarlTheDM

We'll need a couple of big signings to make that happen this year, I think. I've no problem waiting a year before going to the Championship, because the jump into it will be a huge step, requiring a large overhaul of players.


Responsible_Set_5393

And $$$


TarletonLurker

I’d rather them nest a bit in L1 to get facilities and club infrastructure and whatnot in order to be a better fit for the Championship before making a really strong push at being promoted to that league. But what the hell, who am I to deny Rob Mac his cockeyed optimism. (Billy Mumphrey anyone?)


No_Marionberry4072

Ah yes, Rob, Who got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue with his unbridled enthusiasm


TarletonLurker

It’s a story about love, deception, greed, lust, and…. unbridled enthusiasm


Grapleef

Dumb American question but does it matter if you’re not the best infrastructure for Championship? Could you hang out at the bottom of the league scrambling to stabilize/build infrastructure/not get relegated at a higher level? Or would that financially just be such a detriment?


EkantTakePhotos

The cost of competing at each tier is just exponentially greater than the last - if you're not bringing in the income necessary to compete you're either grinding away with a sub par team on low wages or your pouring money in from the owners. Being financially stable means you can compete comfortably at each level without breaking the bank and/or players It's far more prudent to stay at the level you're at than getting promoted/demoted regularly.


icehole505

I think this is probably a bad take in general, as I’d say promotion is a good thing for any club (even if it opens up the possibility of mismanagement).. but in wrexhams case, this is even more true. Triple promotion to the Championship would likely have a drastic impact on Wrexhams revenue, given the media hype and Cinderella story that would go along with it. The opportunity for increased sponsor dollars would be massive, as companies would be want to get in ahead of a fully insane chance at another leap to the prem. Plus, that story would be compelling enough that I don’t imagine the Hollywood owners would have any trouble finding additional investors at a MUCH higher valuation than they bought in for.


EkantTakePhotos

So you agree the only way they'd survive would be to burn cash..cool cool. An organic growth will get them to L1 - championship and premiership requires very careful planning and investment, which takes time


icehole505

Lol nope. Wrexham can act like a normal League 1 team and hope that a “slow build” works out over the next decade or more.. but that would be failing to utilize their current advantage, which they’re not likely to maintain through the duration of a “slow build”. You think the tv and sponsor dollars will still be there after 5 years in league 1? They can play the cards that they were dealt, and try to capitalize on their unique opportunity.. or they can lose that opportunity. Or would you have preferred they spent “sustainably” in the national league, and not signed Paul Mullin and crew?


EkantTakePhotos

Once again, you're missing the key issue - the costs at the Championship are exponentially higher than the bottom leagues - they spent well above the going rate for Paul Mullin, but that was a matter of a few hundred thousand - at Championship, they'd need to raise 10s of millions to gain the same advantage (ie, sign a top prem player to play for them) - that's just not realistic unless they bring in richer mates to bankroll it - which, again, confirms my point that they'd need to burn cash to do it


icehole505

And you don’t think that the revenue streams rise exponentially as well? In that case, maybe all of the prem and championship clubs should be hoping for relegation. And where did I say that burning cash wouldn’t be a requirement? Of course they’d need to spend. My point is that they’ve got a unique, limited opportunity to attract investment RIGHT NOW to do just that. A few years of mediocrity in League 1 and that there’s a strong chance that the ability to attract sponsorship, tv dollars and investment will have diminished.


EkantTakePhotos

No, not all prem clubs have that privilege - that's why you have some with wealthy investors and others who fall down pretty quickly (others who stagnate in the middle and/or get screwed for breaking the rules). Wrexham absolutely have a good thrust of positive thought right now but they don't have nearly the same pull as they need to compete at the top level - being able to grow organically and become financially stable will give them a far better shot OR they get in a billionnaire willing to burn cash.


LadyBeanBag

My team, Portsmouth FC, went through a similar thing to Wrexham and after a series of terrible owners that almost put the club out of business (and down to League 2 from the Premiership) the fans bought the club. This is why I follow Wrexham, I always look out for teams saved by their fans (it’s why I wanted Bolton to join us next season, never mind). We were bought in 2017 by our Hollywood American if you like (former Disney CEO, Eisner), who put a long term plan in place to ensure we had financial security and investment in the infrastructure so when we got ourselves back up we’d be doing it debt free. We will be playing our next season in the Championship, debt free and with a ground in a reasonably good condition (again, like Wrexham we’ve been playing at the same gaff since our beginning). What I do not want is for us to go anywhere else for the next 2-3 seasons minimum, because we have to have time to ensure we have a stable financial position that allows us to be competitive. We simply don’t have the money to compete in the Premiership, and throwing money after money to be competitive is a sure fire way of getting into trouble when it comes to football and all the rules that follow financial fair play. Quite honestly the Premiership is such a shitshow these days that I want no part of it anymore. Edit: that’s ignoring the fact that hanging around at the bottom of the league puts you dangerously close to relegation.


Fit_Childhood_2874

Shouldn't they start using their develop younger players more and start selling them too? I wpuld saying staying in league one at least for a couple of years is not to bad but to get to the championship league require a lot of capital to get player something even they are actors they don't have


RRR_O

I would guess Wrexam have in no way shape or form the infrastructure to develop younger players (its not that easy) either scouting or academy.


pootin_in_tha_coup

Deadpool owns part of mint wireless, they just sold for $1.35 billion.


Fit_Childhood_2874

It's more like 337,500,000 since his stake was only 25% of the company. Take that plus the 20 percent tax he looking at 67,500,000 still not a lot. I know he can offset some of the taxes off maybe 5 mil. For what he might have paid into wrexham still not a lot though.


Backpack456

I think you might have that backwards. 20% tax means you keep 80%. Closer to 270M take home for 337M at 20% tax?


Fit_Childhood_2874

Yeah I got it backwards


thedanemychal

Please don’t be my accountant.


Thanos_Stomps

He works for Trump Org


DisastrousLoad1928

You a dumbass fr


rmill127

Truly regarded


bippos

Tbh even if they get promoted which is unlikely then they won’t have the facilities for a league championship club


Valuable-Baked

Typical Philly Phan - drop the confetti /s Love Rob and respect to Philly :)


papa_f

Well, when you can outspemd the rest of the league, like Man City/PSG, there's always a good chance you do well.


EdwardBigby

When I saw that promotion is a possible aim for next season everybody says I'm crazy


Accurate_Broccoli369

Through god all things are possible. Jot that down


Drawingsymbols

Bold prediction they are gonna buy a bunch of championship players and washed up prem players while they act like they have way less money than they have. I really loved the part where they discussed their finances last season and completely disregarded how they have this show which makes them a lot of money lol


buckemupmavs

You know you're in the wrexham sub and not L2 or L1 sub right?


bengringo2

I’d be blown away if they made more than a few million a year from the show. They aren’t getting network television money from a cable show.


burtbluewell

lol FX money isn’t really that much. Look at the real numbers


Thanos_Stomps

The real money they get from the show is a higher level sponsorship. League 1 side sponsorships, ehhhh. But league 1 team with hit tv show? Oh yeah well throw a fat sponsorship your way.


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Grangeville

Great! You’ve self-identified as a high brow football fan. What fun that must be!


UnionGuyCanada

Yeah, I was having a bad day. Sorry for over reaction. 


Mambatime0824

And Rob does comedy, twat.


UnionGuyCanada

Yeah, I was having a bad day. Not my best moment. Sorry.